Graffiti artist is just a clever way to relabel a vandal.

Fine police work there, Lou.

They still have Dudley on staff, eh?

i would have just posed the pics on the web. I mean if i find a camera in a tree I'm not thinking that they care about the camera.

It's an easy mistake to make. That's how my neighbor's hot teenage daughter found the camera that some bastard stole from me and then hid in her bedroom. It had one of those wifi-beaming SD cards in it which is how the images ended up on my computer, despite what the damn cops and the DA believe.

if you're a drug dealing vandal, you should probably have your head bashed in a little bit.

And the RCMP are complaining about how their cameras were stolen? What do abandoned property laws state?

I would love to see a Crown try to sell the idea that this guy somehow "stole" a bunch of cameras he found in a tree.

Well, add theft to the list of pending charges. I hate "taggers" and this scumbag had no right to take the cameras into his possession. "But but but they were on his property! But but but..." BULLshiat. If a neighbor kid leaves his bicycle on your lawn, does it suddenly become your bicycle? What if a neighbor parks his car in your driveway? An inconvenience to be sure, but do his actions suddenly give you the right to take possession of the vehicle and start driving it around? I don't think so. With this situation you might say, well the cops shouldn't have been spying on the guy, so he had every right to take the cameras. That's your judgment call, not an interpretation of the law. If he was concerned about the cameras, then he should've contacted the authorities and had them come out to inspect the legality of the cameras. You don't get to become a vigilante simply because the police do something that you don't like. I hope they pile the charges on this guy because his entitled, above the law attitude is exactly what is fueling the protest movement of this country - no real cause or concern beyond their own selfish desires.

Good stuff...until I saw he's a graffiti guy. Winner in this case, loser in every other aspect.

The RCMP are the worst incompetents in law enforcement. Biggest arseholes too.

"Nordick said he took the cameras down, removed the memory cards inside, and found pictures of himself and his friends coming and going from his trailer among the 200 images on the cameras."

spentmiles: Well, add theft to the list of pending charges. I hate "taggers" and this scumbag had no right to take the cameras into his possession. "But but but they were on his property! But but but..." BULLshiat. If a neighbor kid leaves his bicycle on your lawn, does it suddenly become your bicycle? What if a neighbor parks his car in your driveway? An inconvenience to be sure, but do his actions suddenly give you the right to take possession of the vehicle and start driving it around? I don't think so. With this situation you might say, well the cops shouldn't have been spying on the guy, so he had every right to take the cameras. That's your judgment call, not an interpretation of the law. If he was concerned about the cameras, then he should've contacted the authorities and had them come out to inspect the legality of the cameras. You don't get to become a vigilante simply because the police do something that you don't like. I hope they pile the charges on this guy because his entitled, above the law attitude is exactly what is fueling the protest movement of this country - no real cause or concern beyond their own selfish desires.

if i find "your camera" in my tree it is now my camera.

I'm sorry, but if you deliberately leave your property on my land, without my permission and without legal authority, then your property becomes my property. Sue me.

spentmiles: I hope they pile the charges on this guy because his entitled, above the law attitude is exactly what is fueling the protest movement of this country - no real cause or concern beyond their own selfish desires.

Or a desire to see the same rules applies to everyone, including Wall Street and the RCMP.

Our resident Fark fascists are up and at it a little early today.

nastyboi: The RCMP are the worst incompetents in law enforcement. Biggest arseholes too.


i.e. VERY competent ??

Walker: Flakeloaf: I would love to see a Crown try to sell the idea that this guy somehow "stole" a bunch of cameras he found in a tree.

Oh, it happens all the time. People have found money buried in their yard and are told they can't keep it. Some stupid crime called "Theft by finding" or something like that.

No such creature in Canada. Theft here must be:

1. Fraudulent and without colour of right
2. Taking
3. A thing
4. With intent to:
a. deprive its owner of it, or
b. use it as collateral, or
c. ransom it, or
d. wreck it and then give it back

He definitely took it, the camera is a thing, and he ought reasonably to have known it was someone else's property because of how it was set up (and it may even have had a marking on it). Establishing that he had criminal intent by taking a camera found on one place on his property and moving it to another might be harder, and in any case, as soon as he gave them to his lawyer I would think that counts as a reasonable attempt to dispose of them properly.

cats4rent: spentmiles: Well, add theft to the list of pending charges. I hate "taggers" and this scumbag had no right to take the cameras into his possession. "But but but they were on his property! But but but..." BULLshiat. If a neighbor kid leaves his bicycle on your lawn, does it suddenly become your bicycle? What if a neighbor parks his car in your driveway? An inconvenience to be sure, but do his actions suddenly give you the right to take possession of the vehicle and start driving it around? I don't think so. With this situation you might say, well the cops shouldn't have been spying on the guy, so he had every right to take the cameras. That's your judgment call, not an interpretation of the law. If he was concerned about the cameras, then he should've contacted the authorities and had them come out to inspect the legality of the cameras. You don't get to become a vigilante simply because the police do something that you don't like. I hope they pile the charges on this guy because his entitled, above the law attitude is exactly what is fueling the protest movement of this country - no real cause or concern beyond their own selfish desires.

if i find "your camera" in my tree it is now my camera.

Agreed. Especially if it's taking pictures of me. If it's laying on the ground near the road or similar and you come by I'll give it back if you can identify it. But if it's in a tree on my property snapping shots of my family, it's mine - and I do hope you come to check on it or try to claim it so we can have a discussion - police or not.

do you really need surveillance equipment after the failed raid?
are you hoping to catch him moving plants TO the spot that was just raided?

/He stole cameras!!11! - no, I'm pretty sure they are at his lawyers office waited to be returned
//He's a vandal scumbag!!111!! - Oh I know!! The humanity!! Those poor store-front property owners!! I weep for them!!
///let the hate flow through you

cats4rent: if i find "your camera" in my tree it is now my camera.

if we're inventing laws, why not invent one that says that if you deface public or private property, you get your head bashed in, and you belongings auctioned off?

proteus_b: cats4rent: if i find "your camera" in my tree it is now my camera.

if we're inventing laws, why not invent one that says that if you deface public or private property, you get your head bashed in, and you belongings auctioned off?


You sound defaced.

spentmiles: no real cause or concern beyond their my own selfish desires

FTFY

(You do realize this was not in the US right ?)

proteus_b: if you're a drug dealing vandal, you should probably have your head bashed in a little bit.

And you know he's a drug dealer because?

EliminateNinniesAndTwits: if it's in a tree on my property snapping shots of my family, it's mine - and I do hope you come to check on it or try to claim it so we can have a discussion - police or not

^^ this

The RCMP are not facing a "lost and found" situation

Sell both on eBay - sans memory cards. Those would be opened and crushed into bits.

spentmiles: If a neighbor kid leaves his bicycle on your lawn, does it suddenly become your bicycle? What if a neighbor parks his car in your driveway?

But if a neighbor's kid's ball lands in my yard I can keep it.

/Off my lawn!

"The fact that someone has committed a criminal act and stolen our cameras certainly is, I guess, a concern for RCMP and for our investigators," said Sgt. Dan Seibel.

You put it on his property and left it there. It wasn't stolen; you gave it to him. Be more careful with your things if you want to keep them, and don't be an Indian giver.

Nowhere in the article does it say he is a vandal, and "evidence of a grow op" could mean a closet with a few lights and a personal stash inside. So clearly this vandal who isn't being charged with vandalism and drug dealer who isn't being charged with drugs is worthy of our eternal scorn. INTERNET RAGE MACHINE GO

Flakeloaf: Nowhere in the article does it say he is a vandal, and "evidence of a grow op" could mean a closet with a few lights and a personal stash inside. So clearly this vandal who isn't being charged with vandalism and drug dealer who isn't being charged with drugs is worthy of our eternal scorn. INTERNET RAGE MACHINE GO

The article does say he's a graffiti artist....in the minds of most people, that is a vandal.

graffiti artist =/= vandal

tagger == vandal

The idea that he stole the camera ?
someone needs training

didnt erase the media
needs training on flipping burgers

// you cant do proper forensics analysis if your lab is dirty the defence should tear you a new one
/ even digitally

Walker: Flakeloaf: I would love to see a Crown try to sell the idea that this guy somehow "stole" a bunch of cameras he found in a tree.

Oh, it happens all the time. People have found money buried in their yard and are told they can't keep it. Some stupid crime called "Theft by finding" or something like that.

Looks like that's a UK-only thing, as far as I can tell.

nastyboi: The RCMP are the worst incompetents in law enforcement. Biggest arseholes too.

dont travel much ?

spentmiles: Well, add theft to the list of pending charges. I hate "taggers" and this scumbag had no right to take the cameras into his possession. "But but but they were on his property! But but but..." BULLshiat. If a neighbor kid leaves his bicycle on your lawn, does it suddenly become your bicycle? What if a neighbor parks his car in your driveway? An inconvenience to be sure, but do his actions suddenly give you the right to take possession of the vehicle and start driving it around? I don't think so. With this situation you might say, well the cops shouldn't have been spying on the guy, so he had every right to take the cameras. That's your judgment call, not an interpretation of the law. If he was concerned about the cameras, then he should've contacted the authorities and had them come out to inspect the legality of the cameras. You don't get to become a vigilante simply because the police do something that you don't like. I hope they pile the charges on this guy because his entitled, above the law attitude is exactly what is fueling the protest movement of this country - no real cause or concern beyond their own selfish desires.

You seem to be swapping the meanings of "steal" and "confiscate". If a neighbor parks their car in your private driveway, you have the legal right to have it towed at their expense. In this case, the guy confiscated the illegally-placed cameras and placed them in the custody of his lawyer. An act, by the way, which is the only legal recourse he has when said property is that of the local authorities.

Unless Canadian laws are significantly different, the RCMP messed up, and they know it. They placed the cameras on private property without a warrant. They should have instead placed them on public land, or gotten permission to place them on a neighbor's property.

That looks like a Bushnell TrophyCam trail camera sitting on the lawyer's desk. The older version has 32(i think) high output infrared LEDs behind a clear window for taking pictures at night. When they light up at night you can see a faint red glow. Animals can see them pretty well also, here's a video of a cat I caught in the yard once (pops) who clearly noticed the lights.

The new ones have a black piece of IR passive plastic on the front so you can't see them light up anymore but you can still see them with a video camera or various night vision devices.

spentmiles: Well, add theft to the list of pending charges. I hate "taggers" and this scumbag had no right to take the cameras into his possession. "But but but they were on his property! But but but..." BULLshiat. If a neighbor kid leaves his bicycle on your lawn, does it suddenly become your bicycle? What if a neighbor parks his car in your driveway? An inconvenience to be sure, but do his actions suddenly give you the right to take possession of the vehicle and start driving it around? I don't think so. With this situation you might say, well the cops shouldn't have been spying on the guy, so he had every right to take the cameras. That's your judgment call, not an interpretation of the law. If he was concerned about the cameras, then he should've contacted the authorities and had them come out to inspect the legality of the cameras. You don't get to become a vigilante simply because the police do something that you don't like. I hope they pile the charges on this guy because his entitled, above the law attitude is exactly what is fueling the protest movement of this country - no real cause or concern beyond their own selfish desires.



You want it to be one way. But it's the other way.

Minimally Hairy Beer-Powered Simian: I'm sorry, but if you deliberately leave your property on my land, without my permission and without legal authority, then your property becomes my property. Sue me.

A lesson the OWS crowd has learned recently.

big pig peaches: Minimally Hairy Beer-Powered Simian: I'm sorry, but if you deliberately leave your property on my land, without my permission and without legal authority, then your property becomes my property. Sue me.

A lesson the OWS crowd has learned recently.


Someone doesn't know the difference between private property and public property.

Christian Bale: big pig peaches: Minimally Hairy Beer-Powered Simian: I'm sorry, but if you deliberately leave your property on my land, without my permission and without legal authority, then your property becomes my property. Sue me.

A lesson the OWS crowd has learned recently.


Someone doesn't know the difference between private property and public property.

I thought the park WAS private property not public.

Just read this before coming here. Here's my problem with the story: it's so obviously one-sided that we have no idea what the deal is from the RCMP's side of things.

The RCMP set up surveillance cameras to catch crimes in progress or to gather evidence of criminal activity. This is usually done with some sort of court order allowing them to do so - which would negate the trespassing aspect of this fellow's concerns, as well as any privacy concerns. Was there a court order? We don't know. Will the RCMP say if there was or not? Probably not, since if they've got one it may also cover such things as wiretaps and other surveillance that they don't want buddy to know about.
We have only the fellow with the camera's say-so that the cards still had crime scene photos on them. If that's the case, some tech needs to be slapped. But it's hard to confirm, and the RCMP aren't going to say anything about it either.
Can the RCMP actually say anything about this entire situation other than 'we want our cameras back'? Hell no, because they've got an ongoing investigation against this guy. "Oh, yeah, we had the cameras up so we could catch evidence of this dude doing *x*, but now that he's somehow found our cameras we'll just go back to the donut shop, ha ha." Not exactly conducive to good investigative techniques to do that.

Finders Keepers.... It could have been a rough storm blew these cameras in from who knows where... Ill put up some signs, see if anyone is missing thier fancy cameras, but in the mean time, I cant just go giving them to anyone,.. I mean, jsut cuz the cops say the cameras are thiers, doesnt mean that they are.

Heh, doing it backwards. Leave the camera, add to the memory card.

There are no limits to the stupidity, hubris and corruption of the RCMP.

Canada is a hot-bed for fraud and scams that they lack the resources to investigate, but they have resources to raid and spy on some insignificant pot-head graffiti artist ,in typical incompetent RCMP fashion of course.

Camera, let me introduce you to my friend "Dumpster behind Tim Hortons." "Dumpster behind Tim Hortons," I want you to take really good care of my friend Camera.

And when the police come knocking at my door asking for their camera, the only proper response is "What camera?"

This, by the way, is the proper response for any surveillance equipment found in or on one's property. Don't acknowledge its presence other than to dispose of it in the manner most inconvenient to its retrieval by whoever put it there.