tyrajam: Great point. The government takes OUR money and gives142.2 billion of OUR tax dollars to BoA.

well, of course that is not true.

What TARP money BoA took they paid back some time ago, at a profit to the US GOVERNMent.

CPennypacker: [dcist.com image 640x424]

If it looks like a camp and it acts like a camp. . ..

karatekitten13: Joe Blowme: So there is evidece of the police thuggery then, where do you think it will get posted? Will the MSM run the footage?

They have been. You haven't been paying attention.

Then again, it's pretty hard to get good reception from under a bridge.

Not with the right antenna. But i was refering to the camera grabbing by the police that was caught on LOL LIVESTREAM as you posted above.

BroVinny: CPennypacker: [dcist.com image 640x424]

If it looks like a camp and it acts like a camp. . ..

WAIT WAIT i know this one...... it's a duck right?

Joe Blowme: But i was refering to the camera grabbing by the police that was caught on LOL LIVESTREAM as you posted above.

Where did I say they were grabbing cameras? They wouldn't let them retrieve their cameras.

TROLLS HAVE HARD TIME WITH READING COMPREHENSION. TROLL TO BUSY BEING ASSHOLE.

F*ck it, I'm done with arguing with you. There's a revolution starting.

Joe Blowme: CPennypacker: tyrajam: mgshamster: HoboCop: Last night on Fox news they showed a number representing how much in taxes the OWS protest in Philly has cost the city. Thanks, Fox news!

I wonder if they compared it to what BoA's bailout cost Philly:

BoA Bailout: $142.2 Billion
divided by US pop'n: ~300,000,000
equals: $474 per person
Philly pop'n: ~1,500,000
Cost to Philly: $711,000,000

Or AIG's bailout: $180 bil
Or Citigroup's bailout: $280 bil
Or Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac: $400 bil
etc...

Somehow, I doubt it.

Great point. The government takes OUR money and gives142.2 billion of OUR tax dollars to BoA. They give 180billion to AIG, 280billion to Citigroup, and 400 billion to Fannie/Freddie. Why are you not protesting the government who steals this money from the citizens and gives it to their allies? Ah, Obama has a (D) in front of his name. Nevermind.

Maybe cuz Obama didn't bail out the banks?

You have to share what ever you are smoking.

Can you send me a copy of your selective history book? Bush bailed out the banks.

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: badhatharry: moonscatter: As distasteful as many people find it, protesting is one of the most important rights we have. Let them do their thing.

Frankly, I find them cute and amusing. I really liked it when they marched on my building in Houston. This scraggly guy carried a old, manual typewriter to our building, sat down and typed something, tied it to balloons and yelled "I hope this gets to the top!"

OWS is extended street theatre. Enjoy it.

Apparently, most people are ok with cops tear gassing them, beating them, and destroying their property. They don't consider that it might be them protesting the next time. Americans had a right to complain. It kept us free.

The hippies in Zuccotti park have done more to protect your freedoms than the troops in Afghanistan and Iraq ever could.

Strange and perhaps unsettling, but true.

As far as I can tell, there is no "more" on either side of the equation, "nothing equals nothing." Freedom does not come from collectives, but from individuals choosing to be responsible for their own lives, regardless of the depredations of various warring factions who pretend to represent others in an effort to get their hands on the gun of social control.

/ USMC vet
// Smedley was right

CPennypacker:
They are in a private park illegally (false) This is the only one with an absolute answer. Camping overnight in the park is illegal. Dawn to dusk, their protest is legal. Dusk to Dawn, they are in the park illegally. That park is open 24 hours. You're wrong

Reading comprehension. Try it. I didn't say the park is not open 24 hours. I said you can't camp overnight in the park. Sorry skippy, you are wrong. And just because you personally believe an opinion, that does not make it a fact. I like coke better than pepsi. That does not make coke better than pepsi. Try to digest that concept and we'll work on part two of thinking analytically tomorrow.

karatekitten13: Joe Blowme: But i was refering to the camera grabbing by the police that was caught on LOL LIVESTREAM as you posted above.

Where did I say they were grabbing cameras? They wouldn't let them retrieve their cameras.

TROLLS HAVE HARD TIME WITH READING COMPREHENSION. TROLL TO BUSY BEING ASSHOLE.

F*ck it, I'm done with arguing with you. There's a revolution starting.

RAGE QUIT!!!
U mad bro?

tyrajam: CPennypacker:
They are in a private park illegally (false) This is the only one with an absolute answer. Camping overnight in the park is illegal. Dawn to dusk, their protest is legal. Dusk to Dawn, they are in the park illegally. That park is open 24 hours. You're wrong

Reading comprehension. Try it. I didn't say the park is not open 24 hours. I said you can't camp overnight in the park. Sorry skippy, you are wrong. And just because you personally believe an opinion, that does not make it a fact. I like coke better than pepsi. That does not make coke better than pepsi. Try to digest that concept and we'll work on part two of thinking analytically tomorrow.

Brookfield's rules that they changed after the protests started do not supercede the US constitution, bro

LineNoise: Judge just ruled against OWS. City is allowed to enforce no camping in the park.

Huzzah!

I'm all for protest, get 100,000 people together and change policy! (Even though I think they have the wrong target in their sights). But come on, just because you are protesting something doesn't mean you can camp in a no camping area.

karatekitten13: Joe Blowme: But i was refering to the camera grabbing by the police that was caught on LOL LIVESTREAM as you posted above.

Where did I say they were grabbing cameras? They wouldn't let them retrieve their cameras.

TROLLS HAVE HARD TIME WITH READING COMPREHENSION. TROLL TO BUSY BEING ASSHOLE.

F*ck it, I'm done with arguing with you. There's a revolution starting.

I think you may be mathematically challenged. New York City has 8 million people living it it. How many protesters are there in NYC? Around a thousand? That's barely a percent of a percent.

You're not capturing the hearts and minds of the populace. You're a wen on NYC's ass.

Brookfield's rules that they changed after the protests started do not supercede the US constitution, bro

Fudgepacker, you've really gotten me confused, the US constitution says I am allowed to camp in a no camping area? We're not talking about your wet dream of a "free speech zone", we're talking about setting up tents for months at a time in an area where camping is not allowed.

LineNoise: CPennypacker:
Brookfield's rules that they changed after the protests started do not supercede the US constitution, bro

Where did you go to school? Because I think every history, social studies, and civics teacher you ever had owes you a refund, and us an apology for having to listen to you all day.

You are SUCH a jackass. I haven't seen you make an intelligent post all day, and you keep coming back with nonsense like this.

And yes, the NY judge upheld the decision to clear the park. It will be appealed. All of the reasons given for the eviction are bogus.

kvinesknows: cameroncrazy1984: kvinesknows: nope.. again you are saying all politicians can simply not be trusted because of money.. okay I get that... then do away with all politicians and institute a dictatorship right? Because thats the only way you are going to get honest politicians by your logic.

Why can't we get rid of the money? If there's no money in politics, wouldn't that achieve our goal as well? If there are two sides to the equation (money and politicians) why can we only get rid of one (politicians) to solve it?

How can you get rid of money? Removing donations alone does nothing as people can still be bribed.

Provide SEVERE consequences for betraying the public trust. I don't know about death, but things like "if caught, you'll be stripped of office, beaten within an inch of your life and be locked in a cell so dark and deep you'll never see natural light again". Don't let politicians write or enforce their own oversight.

tyrajam: Brookfield's rules that they changed after the protests started do not supercede the US constitution, bro

Fudgepacker, you've really gotten me confused, the US constitution says I am allowed to camp in a no camping area? We're not talking about your wet dream of a "free speech zone", we're talking about setting up tents for months at a time in an area where camping is not allowed.

OOOOh now I'm a fudgepacker. You guys make awesome arguments! They are exercising their first amendment rights. They are doing so by protesting 24/7. In order to protest 24/7, they require food, water, and warmth. They are not camping.

CPennypacker: LineNoise: CPennypacker:
Brookfield's rules that they changed after the protests started do not supercede the US constitution, bro

Where did you go to school? Because I think every history, social studies, and civics teacher you ever had owes you a refund, and us an apology for having to listen to you all day.

You are SUCH a jackass. I haven't seen you make an intelligent post all day, and you keep coming back with nonsense like this.

And yes, the NY judge upheld the decision to clear the park. It will be appealed. All of the reasons given for the eviction are bogus.

VICTORY DANCE!

ongbok: CPennypacker: LineNoise: CPennypacker:
Brookfield's rules that they changed after the protests started do not supercede the US constitution, bro

Where did you go to school? Because I think every history, social studies, and civics teacher you ever had owes you a refund, and us an apology for having to listen to you all day.

You are SUCH a jackass. I haven't seen you make an intelligent post all day, and you keep coming back with nonsense like this.

And yes, the NY judge upheld the decision to clear the park. It will be appealed. All of the reasons given for the eviction are bogus.

The judge said that they can be in the park as long as they want but they cannot set up tents and sleeping bags.

Okay, a muted VICTORY DANCE!

Wow, so people try to make and change, any change, and they are scoffed and ridiculed?
/Welcome to fark

CPennypacker: tyrajam: Brookfield's rules that they changed after the protests started do not supercede the US constitution, bro

Fudgepacker, you've really gotten me confused, the US constitution says I am allowed to camp in a no camping area? We're not talking about your wet dream of a "free speech zone", we're talking about setting up tents for months at a time in an area where camping is not allowed.

OOOOh now I'm a fudgepacker. You guys make awesome arguments! They are exercising their first amendment rights. They are doing so by protesting 24/7. In order to protest 24/7, they require food, water, and warmth. They are not camping.

Please define camping while not using the criteria of a temporary shelter on someone else's land, that also requires food, water and other goods to be brought in to maintain said establishment.

You bring a tent to sleep on property not your own? You're camping my friend. Do so without permission of the owner? You're squatting and trespassing.

CPennypacker: halfof33: CPennypacker: It's amazing how many toolboxes will come in here and derp at the top of their lungs. Notice how every detraction of this movement is a non-starter and completely unrelated to the core message

They smell and are unhygenic (false)
They are in a private park illegally (false)
They don't know what they want (false)
They don't understand what they are protesting (irrelevant and false)
They are protesting the wrong people (false)

I wonder if you have even the first clue how ironic your post is. Anyhow, lets take a stab at logic, Pennypacker style!

They smell and are unhygenic (true)
They are in a private park illegally (true)
They don't know what they want (true)
They don't understand what they are protesting (relevant and true)
They are protesting the wrong people (totes true!)

lulz. I win, I said "totes" and added a "!".

Winnar!

Somewhere under a bridge, it is getting cold. Go home.

sore loser.

Snowflake Tubbybottom: CPennypacker: tyrajam: Brookfield's rules that they changed after the protests started do not supercede the US constitution, bro

Fudgepacker, you've really gotten me confused, the US constitution says I am allowed to camp in a no camping area? We're not talking about your wet dream of a "free speech zone", we're talking about setting up tents for months at a time in an area where camping is not allowed.

OOOOh now I'm a fudgepacker. You guys make awesome arguments! They are exercising their first amendment rights. They are doing so by protesting 24/7. In order to protest 24/7, they require food, water, and warmth. They are not camping.

Please define camping while not using the criteria of a temporary shelter on someone else's land, that also requires food, water and other goods to be brought in to maintain said establishment.

You bring a tent to sleep on property not your own? You're camping my friend. Do so without permission of the owner? You're squatting and trespassing.

They are not there to "camp" they are there to protest. They brought supplies with them.

Brookfield should be nice. They take a lot of our money.

CPennypacker: They are not there to "camp" they are there to protest.

Setting up a tent is not a valid method of protest. NYC just made that clear.

CPennypacker: They are exercising their first amendment rights. They are doing so by protesting 24/7. In order to protest 24/7, they require food, water, and warmth. They are not camping.

Buddy, please stop a minute and think about what you just wrote. Since they are not making 'smores they are not camping? Try this:

A Bible thumper stands in the park yelling about armageddon. He has the right to free speech. He has the freedom of religion. Now if he wants to stand in the park and preach all night, more power to him. If it starts raining, he needs a roof over his head. It gets windy and he needs walls. He gets cold so he must have heat. Now if you tell him he can't put up his revival tent and live in the park, are you infringing on his freedom of religion? Of course not.

Why?


Unlike AKs and ARs, these and a crate of ammo can be purchased in any Wal-Mart that carries them for about one hundred and twenty dollars.

What a collection of nut cases and conspiracy theories. Media blackout except there is full and compete coverage including helicopter coverage, reports in every major publication and on all the major news outlets.

On another forum which shall remain nameless (R.....t) which claims to be the "Front Page of the Internet" there are tons of posts calling for violence but any post which criticizes OWS seems to mysteriously disappear.

The hyperbole in this thread is likewise palpable. An entire generation of kids who have no idea just how free they are and just how many opportunities they have are convinced that they live in a police state. A week in North Korea or even Iran might give them some new perspective. They do feel that they do not have the opportunities that their parents had and maybe they are right in this. However, they want to see this movement as similar to Arab Spring or Libya and it is just not anywhere near the same.

Valarius: [www.kygunco.com image 640x183]
Unlike AKs and ARs, these and a crate of ammo can be purchased in any Wal-Mart that carries them for about one hundred and twenty dollars.

It's about time someone started talking some sense.

LineNoise: CPennypacker

Enjoy your TF sponsorship. I would like to think you are the most brilliant troll I have ever seen. Don't let me down.

Thanks

Not a troll, just frustrated. I can't see why anyone supports something like last night's raid, and why anyone but a cartoon evil rich person would be against this protest.

tyrajam: mgshamster: HoboCop: Last night on Fox news they showed a number representing how much in taxes the OWS protest in Philly has cost the city. Thanks, Fox news!

I wonder if they compared it to what BoA's bailout cost Philly:

BoA Bailout: $142.2 Billion
divided by US pop'n: ~300,000,000
equals: $474 per person
Philly pop'n: ~1,500,000
Cost to Philly: $711,000,000

Or AIG's bailout: $180 bil
Or Citigroup's bailout: $280 bil
Or Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac: $400 bil
etc...

Somehow, I doubt it.

Great point. The government takes OUR money and gives142.2 billion of OUR tax dollars to BoA. They give 180billion to AIG, 280billion to Citigroup, and 400 billion to Fannie/Freddie. Why are you not protesting the government who steals this money from the citizens and gives it to their allies? Ah, Obama has a (D) in front of his name. Nevermind.

We are - when did you miss that train?

CPennypacker: They are not there to "camp" they are there to protest. They brought supplies with them.

So you can't define what camping is? Let me enlighten you.

camp/kamp/
Verb:
Live for a time in a camp, tent, or camper, as when on vacation.
(of a man) Behave in an ostentatiously effeminate way: "he camped it up a bit for the cameras".

Noun:
A place with temporary accommodations of huts, tents, or other structures, typically used by soldiers, refugees, prisoners, or travelers.
Deliberately exaggerated and theatrical behavior or style: "Hollywood camp".

Whatever their other actions are while they are there may be described as protest but they are in fact camping.

BroVinny: CPennypacker: They are not there to "camp" they are there to protest.

Setting up a tent is not a valid method of protest. NYC just made that clear.

Then what would be a "valid" method of protest? Go home and sit down quietly? Stay out of sight of the rich so they can ignore us further?

/go piss up rope.

Anavrinman: tyrajam: mgshamster: HoboCop: Last night on Fox news they showed a number representing how much in taxes the OWS protest in Philly has cost the city. Thanks, Fox news!

I wonder if they compared it to what BoA's bailout cost Philly:

BoA Bailout: $142.2 Billion
divided by US pop'n: ~300,000,000
equals: $474 per person
Philly pop'n: ~1,500,000
Cost to Philly: $711,000,000

Or AIG's bailout: $180 bil
Or Citigroup's bailout: $280 bil
Or Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac: $400 bil
etc...

Somehow, I doubt it.

Great point. The government takes OUR money and gives142.2 billion of OUR tax dollars to BoA. They give 180billion to AIG, 280billion to Citigroup, and 400 billion to Fannie/Freddie. Why are you not protesting the government who steals this money from the citizens and gives it to their allies? Ah, Obama has a (D) in front of his name. Nevermind.

We are - when did you miss that train?

OWS is a movement to give the government MORE power, not less. These bailouts to private companies are just a drop in the bucket compared to the socialist utopias that the OWSers are calling for.

Anavrinman: BroVinny: CPennypacker: They are not there to "camp" they are there to protest.

Setting up a tent is not a valid method of protest. NYC just made that clear.

Then what would be a "valid" method of protest? Go home and sit down quietly? Stay out of sight of the rich so they can ignore us further?

/go piss up rope.

Butthurt much?

Valid forms of protest would include standing around with signs, chants, etc.-- things we already see you guys doing. You guys are like little kids with crayons. You know you're supposed to color the picture, you just have a hard time staying inside the lines.

foo monkey: mgshamster: HoboCop: Last night on Fox news they showed a number representing how much in taxes the OWS protest in Philly has cost the city. Thanks, Fox news!

I wonder if they compared it to what BoA's bailout cost Philly:

BoA Bailout: $142.2 Billion
divided by US pop'n: ~300,000,000
equals: $474 per person
Philly pop'n: ~1,500,000
Cost to Philly: $711,000,000

Or AIG's bailout: $180 bil
Or Citigroup's bailout: $280 bil
Or Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac: $400 bil
etc...

Somehow, I doubt it.

Excellent point. When do we tear gas and bulldoze BOA?

Why do so many always get this wrong? It was the congress that authorized those bailouts. Teargas congress. Camp out in front of congress and their homes. The most powerful CEO of any corp cannot authorize themselves money from the US Treasury. Congress did that.

OWS has the wrong focus because their boy Obama is in the WH and Dems voted for the bailouts.

Anavrinman: BroVinny: CPennypacker: They are not there to "camp" they are there to protest.

Setting up a tent is not a valid method of protest. NYC just made that clear.

Then what would be a "valid" method of protest? Go home and sit down quietly? Stay out of sight of the rich so they can ignore us further?

/go piss up rope.

So I either set up a tent and camp in a park or I go home and stay out of sight? Dang it, who do I talk to about getting more than two choices on this menu?

Logical reasoning either/or fallacy http://www.wisc-online.com/objects/ViewObject.aspx?ID=SPH1801c

tyrajam: Anavrinman: tyrajam: mgshamster: HoboCop: Last night on Fox news they showed a number representing how much in taxes the OWS protest in Philly has cost the city. Thanks, Fox news!

I wonder if they compared it to what BoA's bailout cost Philly:

BoA Bailout: $142.2 Billion
divided by US pop'n: ~300,000,000
equals: $474 per person
Philly pop'n: ~1,500,000
Cost to Philly: $711,000,000

Or AIG's bailout: $180 bil
Or Citigroup's bailout: $280 bil
Or Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac: $400 bil
etc...

Somehow, I doubt it.

Great point. The government takes OUR money and gives142.2 billion of OUR tax dollars to BoA. They give 180billion to AIG, 280billion to Citigroup, and 400 billion to Fannie/Freddie. Why are you not protesting the government who steals this money from the citizens and gives it to their allies? Ah, Obama has a (D) in front of his name. Nevermind.

We are - when did you miss that train?

OWS is a movement to give the government MORE power, not less. These bailouts to private companies are just a drop in the bucket compared to the socialist utopias that the OWSers are calling for.

What are you talking about? Are you just blathering on? Do you even care about what's going on, or even have any ideas on how to fix it? I'm talking reasonable, realistic ideas, not political ideological ideas that will never come to pass.

Here's some examples of reasonable ideas: Link (new window)

MeinRS6: foo monkey: mgshamster: HoboCop: Last night on Fox news they showed a number representing how much in taxes the OWS protest in Philly has cost the city. Thanks, Fox news!

I wonder if they compared it to what BoA's bailout cost Philly:

BoA Bailout: $142.2 Billion
divided by US pop'n: ~300,000,000
equals: $474 per person
Philly pop'n: ~1,500,000
Cost to Philly: $711,000,000

Or AIG's bailout: $180 bil
Or Citigroup's bailout: $280 bil
Or Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac: $400 bil
etc...

Somehow, I doubt it.

Excellent point. When do we tear gas and bulldoze BOA?

Why do so many always get this wrong? It was the congress that authorized those bailouts. Teargas congress. Camp out in front of congress and their homes. The most powerful CEO of any corp cannot authorize themselves money from the US Treasury. Congress did that.

OWS has the wrong focus because their boy Obama is in the WH and Dems voted for the bailouts.

Nearly everyone in congress voted on it, and yes, I am pissed at them for it. And I'm pissed at Obama for it. And I'm pissed at myself, because I thought it was a good idea at the time. The bailouts were not a partisan issue.

BroVinny: Anavrinman: BroVinny: CPennypacker: They are not there to "camp" they are there to protest.

Setting up a tent is not a valid method of protest. NYC just made that clear.

Then what would be a "valid" method of protest? Go home and sit down quietly? Stay out of sight of the rich so they can ignore us further?

/go piss up rope.

Butthurt much?

Valid forms of protest would include standing around with signs, chants, etc.-- things we already see you guys doing. You guys are like little kids with crayons. You know you're supposed to color the picture, you just have a hard time staying inside the lines.

Best. Description. Evar.

/LOL'd hard

You know what would just take the cake? If there was some Palpatine-like figure behind the scenes, orchestrating and manipulating the Occupy movement to act as a distraction, while the Tea Party works behind the scenes to usher in a Neocon Golden Age.

"Yes, yes, I have foreseen it!"

mgshamster: tyrajam: Anavrinman: tyrajam: mgshamster: HoboCop: Last night on Fox news they showed a number representing how much in taxes the OWS protest in Philly has cost the city. Thanks, Fox news!

I wonder if they compared it to what BoA's bailout cost Philly:

BoA Bailout: $142.2 Billion
divided by US pop'n: ~300,000,000
equals: $474 per person
Philly pop'n: ~1,500,000
Cost to Philly: $711,000,000

Or AIG's bailout: $180 bil
Or Citigroup's bailout: $280 bil
Or Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac: $400 bil
etc...

Somehow, I doubt it.

Great point. The government takes OUR money and gives142.2 billion of OUR tax dollars to BoA. They give 180billion to AIG, 280billion to Citigroup, and 400 billion to Fannie/Freddie. Why are you not protesting the government who steals this money from the citizens and gives it to their allies? Ah, Obama has a (D) in front of his name. Nevermind.

We are - when did you miss that train?

OWS is a movement to give the government MORE power, not less. These bailouts to private companies are just a drop in the bucket compared to the socialist utopias that the OWSers are calling for.

What are you talking about? Are you just blathering on? Do you even care about what's going on, or even have any ideas on how to fix it? I'm talking reasonable, realistic ideas, not political ideological ideas that will never come to pass.

Here's some examples of reasonable ideas: Link (new window)

Wow, you really don't know what I'm talking about? Our bloated government is redistributing wealth in a ridiculous way. Handing out billions of borrowed money to corperations. OWS is calling for a solution of ...bigger government. I care that the fat cats in DC are destroying our country, but these little brats having a campout are mad because the want the stolen money going to them, not corperations. If you think cutting waste from the government is an "ideological idea that will never come to pass" then you're part of the problem. The 1% that is screwing us is the only 1% with the power to screw us: our lawmakers. If you can't get on board with that then I hope you like living in your little tents, because tent cities are going to be a big part of life in your future