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2011-11-15 09:48:31 AM
*reads update*
shiat got real, yo
this isn't going away
 
2011-11-15 09:48:48 AM

LineNoise: This has made getting to\from my office a headache, getting to the places I liked to go for lunch near impossible, and just stepping outside for some fresh air or a cup of coffee a worthless experience.


Oh the horror!
 
2011-11-15 09:49:21 AM
So the NYPD made everyone leave so the mess OWS made could be cleaned up ... and OWS can come back and do it all over again?

Well, I'm sorry the police broke up your play date, kids. Go on home, now; I'm sure you mommy has your room cleaned up, your laundry folded, and a nice casserole waiting for you in the microwave ... no icky carrots this time!
 
2011-11-15 09:51:08 AM

Lernaeus: So the NYPD made everyone leave so the mess OWS made could be cleaned up ... and OWS can come back and do it all over again?

Well, I'm sorry the police broke up your play date, kids. Go on home, now; I'm sure you mommy has your room cleaned up, your laundry folded, and a nice casserole waiting for you in the microwave ... no icky carrots this time!


The NYPD broke up a peaceful, legal protest, used excessive force, tried to keep the press from covering it and potential witnesses inside their buildings. You're a tool.
 
2011-11-15 09:51:11 AM

Lernaeus: So the NYPD made everyone leave so the mess OWS made could be cleaned up ... and OWS can come back and do it all over again?

Well, I'm sorry the police broke up your play date, kids. Go on home, now; I'm sure you mommy has your room cleaned up, your laundry folded, and a nice casserole waiting for you in the microwave ... no icky carrots this time!


LOL, people sleeping outside for 2 months = pussies.

Some random ITG posting regurgitated shiat from behind his keyboard = warrior.

This is how the right-wing authoritarian mind actually works.
 
2011-11-15 09:51:30 AM
RockofAges and tomcatadam

You are both correct and I admit that that is an overly simple answer that does not do enough to accomplish real change. Neither does camping out in the park for months on end.

So what do we do? What is the next step? Now that the movement has established popular support, how does the movement get closer to its goals?
 
2011-11-15 09:52:52 AM
Notice how they couldn't give a flying fark about the health of the PEOPLE in the park, merely the health of the PARK itself. That alone should tell you everything you need to know about these raids.
 
2011-11-15 09:52:55 AM

Crunch61: I'm for most everything they are, but they're doing it wrong. What the hell is a permanent encampment at Zuccotti Park supposed to accomplish?


Well, it seems to be scaring the overlords enough for them to sic their dimwitted thugs on the place.
 
2011-11-15 09:53:00 AM

Witchyman: Link (new window)

Here is the NY Post article. Looks like this reporter didn't have trouble getting access, even with the restrictions.

Reporter running along right with some cops. Interviewing OWS people. I am VERY content with this.

Find something else to whine about.


From your article: "As cops closed in, a "frozen zone" was created and all members of the press were also kicked out." Also, that's a terribly biased article. Seriously.
 
2011-11-15 09:54:15 AM

CPennypacker:
I'm so sorry that people expressing their first amendment rights has so terribly ruined your coffee break. They must be punished.


Last week we had a nutjob here hanging off the tapanzee bridge with a banner. Should we have just left him alone because he was expressing his freedom of speech?

I'm all for letting the protesters have a voice. They are welcome to show up in the park as much as they want and talk about whatever they want, and I'll happily defend them.

However building a shantytown in one of the worlds most congested business districts goes beyond freedom of speech.
 
2011-11-15 09:54:18 AM
The Occupiers allowed the core issue of their movement to become the occupation itself, and that's not an issue that the public sympathizes much with them about.

I would hope that we can all agree to the principle of private property, and that the individual has no right to make use of someone else's land and resources beyond what the owner consents to. Their methods may be debated, but the police were not legally or morally in the wrong to clear the park.

Let's take this opportunity to re-focus attention on income disparity, okay?
 
2011-11-15 09:54:35 AM

Protricity: Lets start a Q&A over some of the talking points and nip them in the bud before the detractors go spamtastic with them tomorrow. I'll start,

1. They left behind 75 dumpsters full of trash! Sounds like the police concerns over sanitation and cleanliness were justified.
The dumpsters contain left over trash along with the personal belongings of the evicted protesters: tents, sleeping bags, books (over 5000), the entire kitchen, laptops, cellphones, etc. The dumpsters are being moved to a location at the sanitation department where the protesters will be able to claim their belongings from amongst the trash.


Instead of being allowed to leave with them.
And when they show up they will be cited and arrested.
 
2011-11-15 09:55:32 AM

LineNoise: CPennypacker:
I'm so sorry that people expressing their first amendment rights has so terribly ruined your coffee break. They must be punished.

Last week we had a nutjob here hanging off the tapanzee bridge with a banner. Should we have just left him alone because he was expressing his freedom of speech?

I'm all for letting the protesters have a voice. They are welcome to show up in the park as much as they want and talk about whatever they want, and I'll happily defend them.

However building a shantytown in one of the worlds most congested business districts goes beyond freedom of speech.


So you're all for freedom of speech then until it moderately inconveniences you? You sound like a tool.
 
2011-11-15 09:55:49 AM
'the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances'
media.npr.org
peaceably
www.reuters.com
peaceably
ironicsurrealism.com
 
2011-11-15 09:56:03 AM

Snatch Bandergrip: RockofAges and tomcatadam

You are both correct and I admit that that is an overly simple answer that does not do enough to accomplish real change. Neither does camping out in the park for months on end.

So what do we do? What is the next step? Now that the movement has established popular support, how does the movement get closer to its goals?


A third party, even if it acts as a spoiler (threat) to the democratic machine. VERY good start.

A shorter list of 5 (or thereabouts) demands which are concrete. I suggest:

- A demand to withdraw from all foreign, non-defensive wars, immediately.
- A demand to raise taxation on corporations and the wealthy to fund the social contract which is currently in tatters.
- A demand to forever and always deny the concept of "corporate personhood".
- A reintroduction of an extremely hefty estate tax (kicking in on estates worth over 1mill and 50% of anything over 2 mill).
- A demand to end oil subsidization and the redistribution of said subsidies to green energy research and development.

Good places to start.
 
2011-11-15 09:56:28 AM

thelordofcheese: Crunch61: I'm for most everything they are, but they're doing it wrong. What the hell is a permanent encampment at Zuccotti Park supposed to accomplish?

Well, it seems to be scaring the overlords enough for them to sic their dimwitted thugs on the place.


HAHAHAH. Either a troll or a complete wackjob.
 
2011-11-15 09:56:36 AM

rico567: I hate to sounds like a "1% -er," but can we have a link to some information besides TFA? After all, it's apparently generated by the protesters.......


Did you notice the part in TFA where it mentioned the entire area being closed off to media?

All you're going to get it the live, unedited footage from the protesters.
 
2011-11-15 09:56:48 AM

CPennypacker: LineNoise: Doubletwist-: A quote from the Mayor from another article on Bloomberg.com:

"The First Amendment protects speech," the mayor said in a press conference at City Hall. "It doesn't protect the use of tents and sleeping bags to take over public space."

Hey genius. the First Amendment also guarantees the right to "peaceably assemble". And by definition, a "public space" is for use by the public.

Really, how do these people get elected to public office without a solid understanding of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?

So should I be able to march across the GW Bridge and shut down traffic every morning with some banners for whatever cause I think is important?

For 2 months this "protest" has made everyone who works down here's day a pain in the ass. Not to mention ruining a park intended for everyone to use.

You OBVIOUSLY do not live in New York, because the protest is contained to the park and in no way obstructs any traffic.


You obviously do not work downtown, because it absolutely does.
 
2011-11-15 09:56:59 AM

CPennypacker:
So you're all for freedom of speech then until it moderately inconveniences you? You sound like a tool.


Fine. I'm going to start protesting at the end of your driveway, over things that I don't quite understand. See how long it takes for you to get annoyed at me.
 
2011-11-15 09:57:34 AM

LineNoise: CPennypacker:
You OBVIOUSLY do not live in New York, because the protest is contained to the park and in no way obstructs any traffic.

Your right, I don't. I do work literally directly across the street from zucotti park though. This has made getting to\from my office a headache, getting to the places I liked to go for lunch near impossible, and just stepping outside for some fresh air or a cup of coffee a worthless experience.


That's kind of the point of "protest"


/Damn these blacks making it difficult for the bus company to make money!
//Stupid colonists wasting my favorite brand of tea!!!
 
2011-11-15 09:58:19 AM
For all those who continue to claim Zuccotti Park is "public" and therefore somehow owned by the public or usable by the public for any reason:

Zuccotti Park is a privately owned public space.

It is not strictly "private property", nor is it "public property". It falls into an odd quasi-public category that hasn't quite been completely framed in a legal sense.

In a case related to another similar plaza, the Second Circuit court disagreed that the plaza in question was "a traditional public forum because it was either a public park or a public place functionally equivalent to a "park, sidewalk, or public throughfare" finding instead that "the Plaza's primary function and purpose is to serve as a pleasing forecourt at the center of a prominent performing arts complex, to facilitate patrons' passage into events taking place in the arts buildings..." and "the Plaza was not created primarily to operate as a public artery, nor to provide an open forum for all forms of public expression.""

Please visit this site (new window) for a rather detailed description of Zuccotti's legal status, as well as commentary as to what rights the public may have to its access and use.
 
2011-11-15 09:58:52 AM

tyrajam: 'the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances'
[media.npr.org image 624x350]
peaceably
[www.reuters.com image 450x300]
peaceably
[ironicsurrealism.com image 600x600]


Where I come from, we call people like you "cherry pickers". Barthes would have called you a myth-creator, or at least a mythologist. Not sure if that expression gets used much anymore, but, welp, here you are.
 
2011-11-15 09:59:28 AM

LineNoise: CPennypacker:
So you're all for freedom of speech then until it moderately inconveniences you? You sound like a tool.

Fine. I'm going to start protesting at the end of your driveway, over things that I don't quite understand. See how long it takes for you to get annoyed at me.


I don't have a driveway, because I live in lower manhattan. You can protest in front of my office thouhg, which is what these people are doing.

And what don't they understand? They understand Wall Street Screwed the economy. Isn't that enough to understand? Or is the ability to price derivatives necessary to protest too?
 
2011-11-15 09:59:49 AM

Lt_Ryan: TheShavingofOccam123: Axana: Good riddance. I stopped taking this movement seriously after I saw idiots on the local Occupy's Facebook page seriously advocating that people should steal food from the grocery store. Pointing out that hurting small businesses does nothing to end bank bailouts or government corruption failed to dissuade them.

If this is what the movement has turned into, then I'm glad I'm not associated with it.

So you're not associated with the capitalist movement? The one that brought down the housing market, won't hire people, pay them a decent wage, offer benefits, pay no taxes on corporate income, buy Congress and the Supreme Court, etc.?

OWS isn't shaving West Virginia mountain tops

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Enjoy all the fees when you fly over Thanksgiving.

OWS also isn't providing jobs to miners in West Virgina.


But they are protesting the kind of corporate ownership that murdered 29 workers in the West Virginia Big Branch coal mine. How many people has OWS killed?

29 miners killed in West Virginia. 1 company official charged and convicted. That's why OWS is protesting. 29 counts of "industrial homicide" and the company gets bought up for $7.1 billion dollars. (new window)
 
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2011-11-15 09:59:57 AM

Snatch Bandergrip: RockofAges and tomcatadam

You are both correct and I admit that that is an overly simple answer that does not do enough to accomplish real change. Neither does camping out in the park for months on end.

So what do we do? What is the next step? Now that the movement has established popular support, how does the movement get closer to its goals?


The first step should be having a group of people be chosen to lead the group. No one listens to a leaderless group. They just consider them a mob. Or hippies.
 
2011-11-15 10:00:14 AM

LineNoise: CPennypacker:
So you're all for freedom of speech then until it moderately inconveniences you? You sound like a tool.

Fine. I'm going to start protesting at the end of your driveway, over things that I don't quite understand. See how long it takes for you to get annoyed at me.


If I beat up your wife, or pissed on your face and told you it was "Trickle Down Economics That Would Make You Happier", I would HOPE that you would show up and protest -- it would prove you are a man and not a cowardly mouse impersonating one.
 
2011-11-15 10:01:08 AM

LineNoise: CPennypacker:
I'm so sorry that people expressing their first amendment rights has so terribly ruined your coffee break. They must be punished.

Last week we had a nutjob here hanging off the tapanzee bridge with a banner. Should we have just left him alone because he was expressing his freedom of speech?

I'm all for letting the protesters have a voice. They are welcome to show up in the park as much as they want and talk about whatever they want, and I'll happily defend them.

However building a shantytown in one of the worlds most congested business districts goes beyond freedom of speech.


So they can protest, but only in a way that doesn't inconvenience anybody, thereby making their protest toothless, all so you can get your grande moccha without having to think about anything that goes on outside your little bubble? Best of luck with that, it doesn't sound petty and depressing at all.
 
2011-11-15 10:01:10 AM

PanicMan: Witchyman: Link (new window)

Here is the NY Post article. Looks like this reporter didn't have trouble getting access, even with the restrictions.

Reporter running along right with some cops. Interviewing OWS people. I am VERY content with this.

Find something else to whine about.

From your article: "As cops closed in, a "frozen zone" was created and all members of the press were also kicked out." Also, that's a terribly biased article. Seriously.


how about one with lots of reporters as sources?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/15/occupy-wall-street-raid-jou rn alists-arrested_n_1094564.html#s474043&title=Poppy_Harlow

/seriously, how many links do people have to post here before you guys realize the media was roughed up last night
//not a good precedent for the NYPD, or the country
 
2011-11-15 10:01:37 AM

tyrajam: 'the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances'
[media.npr.org image 624x350]
peaceably
[www.reuters.com image 450x300]
peaceably
[ironicsurrealism.com image 600x600]


Is that a German license plate or a British one in the first picture?

The second picture, that's definitely a European road sign.

The third picture has nothing violent happening.
 
2011-11-15 10:02:04 AM

way south: /and if the response to "what are you fighting for?" is "google it" then, no, you don't have a clear message. Reading is too difficult for me. Put it on a bumper sticker or I will lose my train of thought.

 
2011-11-15 10:06:21 AM

CPennypacker: Lernaeus: So the NYPD made everyone leave so the mess OWS made could be cleaned up ... and OWS can come back and do it all over again?

Well, I'm sorry the police broke up your play date, kids. Go on home, now; I'm sure you mommy has your room cleaned up, your laundry folded, and a nice casserole waiting for you in the microwave ... no icky carrots this time!

The NYPD broke up a peaceful, legal protest, used excessive force, tried to keep the press from covering it and potential witnesses inside their buildings. You're a tool.


Don't forget that they confiscated all of the OWS protestor's property they had at the park and destroyed it. So in a word they confiscated just about anything that could truthfully document what was going on in the park and destroyed it. Do you know who else liked to do stuff like this?
 
2011-11-15 10:07:31 AM

Crunch61: I'm for most everything they are, but they're doing it wrong. What the hell is a permanent encampment at Zuccotti Park supposed to accomplish?


It's going to get media attention. What would you have them do? Would have them vote? That's a laugh and proven time and time again to be ineffective.
 
2011-11-15 10:07:40 AM

ongbok: CPennypacker: Lernaeus: So the NYPD made everyone leave so the mess OWS made could be cleaned up ... and OWS can come back and do it all over again?

Well, I'm sorry the police broke up your play date, kids. Go on home, now; I'm sure you mommy has your room cleaned up, your laundry folded, and a nice casserole waiting for you in the microwave ... no icky carrots this time!

The NYPD broke up a peaceful, legal protest, used excessive force, tried to keep the press from covering it and potential witnesses inside their buildings. You're a tool.

Don't forget that they confiscated all of the OWS protestor's property they had at the park and destroyed it. So in a word they confiscated just about anything that could truthfully document what was going on in the park and destroyed it. Do you know who else liked to do stuff like this?


The NFL?
 
2011-11-15 10:07:41 AM
There are a lot of strawman, divide by zero arguments in this thread. The basic premis of the OWS is flawed. They are not entitled to anything. Nothing that happens in life is fair. It cannot be because people are basically in it for themselves. So, fairness is to take from the people who produced it and give to people who didn't? The truth is that we don't live in a free market society. We have 50% of the population that produce and 50% who absorb. We always complain about the US has a fraction of the worlds population and yet we are the biggest consumers. The lower 50% who pay no taxes and get a lot of government assistance have been lied to. That is why they are pissing and moaning about it now. They were told that if they put in their time at these institutions of higher learning, they would get a good job. They were also told that if they got a job, they would be able to retire after 20 or so years. That makes me laugh... How gullible? How stupid? The sheeple have been lied to and have miss placed their anger at the producers. Blame the people who lied to you. The pele who promised that they would be able to give you every need if you only support their cause.
 
2011-11-15 10:07:51 AM
LineNoise:

However building a shantytown in one of the worlds most congested business districts goes beyond freedom of speech.

It becomes a minor inconvenience for businesses that are ripping off most of the people on the planet.

My heart bleeds for the cubical-dwelling minions of our corporate overlords. Would you like a brand new stapler?
 
2011-11-15 10:08:02 AM
RockofAges

Works for me.

/Still, you didn't have to be so mean earlier
//Us lazy hippies are a sensitive bunch ;)
 
2011-11-15 10:08:15 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2011-11-15 10:08:31 AM

Snatch Bandergrip: RockofAges and tomcatadam

You are both correct and I admit that that is an overly simple answer that does not do enough to accomplish real change. Neither does camping out in the park for months on end.

So what do we do? What is the next step? Now that the movement has established popular support, how does the movement get closer to its goals?


You're part of the 99%. If you would like to contribute ideas on where to go from here, I'm sure the OWS crowd would listen. They're not living in filth for the fun of it.
 
2011-11-15 10:11:19 AM

Phlem Pickens: Well, back to "Occupy Mom's Basement"


You win this thread. Awesome
 
2011-11-15 10:11:37 AM

El_Dan: Crunch61: I'm for most everything they are, but they're doing it wrong. What the hell is a permanent encampment at Zuccotti Park supposed to accomplish?

What should these people be doing instead? Waving signs for a few hours every day while standing in designated free speech areas? Applying for permits for protest marches? Voting in elections where there aren't real choices? Posting on Facebook and Twitter?


I don't know. People keep trying to compare OWS to civil rights and anti-war protests. They're not the same.

What Presidential action or Constitutional amendment would correct this country's massive income/wealth disparity and satisfy these protestors?

What do they want and when do they want it? Give us something specific. Is that asking too much?
 
2011-11-15 10:13:20 AM

Hermione_Granger: bigpeeler [TotalFark] Edit/Remove Favorite UserAdd Favorite User Quote 2011-11-15 06:28:00 AM Edit/unIgnore User Ignore User
Eventually the body begins to fight infection.

And sometimes the immune system begins to attack the healthy cells as well as bad ones. When the body doesn't know the difference or can be tricked, then the body dies.

#OWS is not the infection but conservative ideology definitely is.


Yet there are a ton of Conservatives that support OWS, including myself. Did your brain just blank you when you sucked the partisan pole this morning? Go ahead and alienate more OWS supporters with your drivel.
 
2011-11-15 10:14:02 AM
 
2011-11-15 10:14:20 AM

PanicMan: Is that a German license plate or a British one in the first picture?

The second picture, that's definitely a European road sign.

The third picture has nothing violent happening.


The first is Italian. The second is Europe but I don't know where.

Nice try tyrajam.
 
2011-11-15 10:14:27 AM
I'm at Zucotti Park right now and am getting a kick out of these replies.

It's empty and barricaded off. Lots of cops. Most street traffic is being diverted down Liberty St. A few sign holders. Lots of media. All on sidewalks outside park, on Broadway.
 
2011-11-15 10:14:57 AM
So with Twitter and youtube and streaming capabilities... are we able to say that these protesters can chant "The Whole World is Watching"? Or is that why the phones were confiscated/destroyed and press arrested/evicted from the area.
 
2011-11-15 10:16:57 AM

elmo2525: The basic premis of the OWS is flawed.


The system is broken and since there is no feasible, legal way to change it - i.e. voting is not at all viable - the only real solution is directed anger at the source?

Flawed, sure, but not unfounded in the least.

Crunch61: What Presidential action or Constitutional amendment would correct this country's massive income/wealth disparity and satisfy these protestors?


Every $1000 spent by an interest group in regards to lobbying a politician requires its leaders to spend a day in stocks.

Seriously though, Obama could charge around like Bush and rule by fiat. Instead he takes the slow road with hopes that the Republican stagnation will end via implosion, rather than explosion.
 
2011-11-15 10:17:10 AM

CPennypacker: LineNoise: CPennypacker:
So you're all for freedom of speech then until it moderately inconveniences you? You sound like a tool.

Fine. I'm going to start protesting at the end of your driveway, over things that I don't quite understand. See how long it takes for you to get annoyed at me.

I don't have a driveway, because I live in lower manhattan. You can protest in front of my office thouhg, which is what these people are doing.

And what don't they understand? They understand Wall Street Screwed the economy. Isn't that enough to understand? Or is the ability to price derivatives necessary to protest too?


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

SO, they are protesting Wall Street, and or Wall Street entities, which are publicly held companies... Guess I missed the part here where it says you have the right to peaceably assemble to pester private citizens, build your own free-standing structures and bar others from entering a public park, destroy a local economy, and expect there to be no consiquences.


How about protesting Fanny and Freddy (ground zero for the housing collapse bacause you know housing is a right, not something toThat home ownership is a right, not something to be attained through hard work and sacrifice.)
THey are not asking the government for redress, they are throwing a tantrum because of the percieved notion that somehow you are owed something simply for breathing. Try getting out of the way of those who are actually paying into the system while you sit on your asses and scream about how wonderful the world would be if we could just institute some form of socialism, because lord knows that's worked so well everywhere it's been tried.
 
2011-11-15 10:17:24 AM

Crunch61: El_Dan: Crunch61: I'm for most everything they are, but they're doing it wrong. What the hell is a permanent encampment at Zuccotti Park supposed to accomplish?

What should these people be doing instead? Waving signs for a few hours every day while standing in designated free speech areas? Applying for permits for protest marches? Voting in elections where there aren't real choices? Posting on Facebook and Twitter?

I don't know. People keep trying to compare OWS to civil rights and anti-war protests. They're not the same.

What Presidential action or Constitutional amendment would correct this country's massive income/wealth disparity and satisfy these protestors?

What do they want and when do they want it? Give us something specific. Is that asking too much?


Why do you see the only legitimate outcomes of a protest as Presidential action or constitutional amendment?

Protests., especially this one, aren't only about political actions. They can be about changing how society thinks, and what society values. People miss this so often. The Civil Rights movement wasn't just about the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Right Act. It was about changing how people view their fellow humans.

OWS isn't and shouldn't be just about political change. It should be out there getting people to look at our economic structure and assumptions. It should be out their questioning whether profit is always a good. It should be trying to get the people who work in those banks and offices to think differently about how they make decisions and run their business.
 
2011-11-15 10:19:07 AM

Unwashed_Mass_Member: CPennypacker: LineNoise: CPennypacker:
So you're all for freedom of speech then until it moderately inconveniences you? You sound like a tool.

Fine. I'm going to start protesting at the end of your driveway, over things that I don't quite understand. See how long it takes for you to get annoyed at me.

I don't have a driveway, because I live in lower manhattan. You can protest in front of my office thouhg, which is what these people are doing.

And what don't they understand? They understand Wall Street Screwed the economy. Isn't that enough to understand? Or is the ability to price derivatives necessary to protest too?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

SO, they are protesting Wall Street, and or Wall Street entities, which are publicly held companies... Guess I missed the part here where it says you have the right to peaceably assemble to pester private citizens, build your own free-standing structures and bar others from entering a public park, destroy a local economy, and expect there to be no consiquences.


How about protesting Fanny and Freddy (ground zero for the housing collapse bacause you know housing is a right, not something toThat home ownership is a right, not something to be attained through hard work and sacrifice.)
THey are not asking the government for redress, they are throwing a tantrum because of the percieved notion that somehow you are owed something simply for breathing. Try getting out of the way of those who are actually paying into the system while you sit on your asses and scream about how wonderful the world would be if we could just institute some form of socialism, because lord knows that's worked so well everywhere it's been tried.


Wow are we going to have this argument again? Fanny and Freddy were not "ground zero for the housing collapse," and if you are really ill-informed enough to still think that, you have no place arguing any of these issues.
 
2011-11-15 10:20:19 AM

Protricity: bv2112: Protricity: Can't believe your daughter is complaining about the rape. I mean, only a naive idiot would dress that way and expect not to get raped. Hopefully she learned her lesson.

There are no laws against dressing like a whore. There are laws against staying in parks after they close. There are no laws against acting like a moron, so you're OK, moron.

Well, that cleared up your stance on rape, at any rate.


Go back to remixing video game music=(
 
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