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(Occupy Wall Street)   NYPD decides it's their turn to occupy Wall Street   (occupywallst.org ) divider line 679
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2011-11-15 09:09:20 AM  

rico567: I hate to sounds like a "1% -er," but can we have a link to some information besides TFA? After all, it's apparently generated by the protesters.......


This. The updates read like some paranoid, gutter punk, conspiracy bullshiat.
 
2011-11-15 09:09:37 AM  
Oh the irony when New Yawkuh's re-elect their billionaire mayor. LOL.
 
2011-11-15 09:09:46 AM  

Crunch61: I'm for most everything they are, but they're doing it wrong. What the hell is a permanent encampment at Zuccotti Park supposed to accomplish?


What should these people be doing instead? Waving signs for a few hours every day while standing in designated free speech areas? Applying for permits for protest marches? Voting in elections where there aren't real choices? Posting on Facebook and Twitter?
 
2011-11-15 09:10:00 AM  

Psycho Zombie Monkey: I do not have a problem with this.

1) Gain a skill set
2) Meet people in the chosen field - networking
3) Get job, learn new skills as they come along
4) Profit


That is hard to do if you spend your time whining about how unfair everything is....


You know, it is possible to do all of those things while still complaining about how unfair the class system in this country is. Many of the people at OWS are college educated and/or employed, so they took advantage of the opportunities to gain skill sets and network. The problem isn't not having a job, it's not having employers that treat you like a goddamn human being and provides you enough income to f*cking survive for the amount of work that is put into the job. It's about a complete disregard by many companies, organizations, corporations, and businesses for the well-being of their employees.

But, you know, I guess you're too busy digging ditches to have the remotest understanding of what's really going on. That's how you can support an aggressive raid on peaceful protesters while still declaring they have no goals in spite of the fact that the news has covered their goals quite well.
 
2011-11-15 09:10:18 AM  

portscanner: The right to take a dump in the middle of the street?


No.

That's what God invented cop cars for.
 
2011-11-15 09:10:20 AM  

Psycho Zombie Monkey: bemis23: So let's be clear about one thing:

If you don't have a problem with this, you are part of the problem.


I do not have a problem with this.

1) Gain a skill set
2) Meet people in the chosen field - networking
3) Get job, learn new skills as they come along
4) Profit


That is hard to do if you spend your time whining about how unfair everything is....


/too busy at work to protest something that has NO defined goals
//coddling these donkeys is part of the problem
////the world needs ditchdiggers
//extra slashies to support NYPD


You sound like someone who's only value is money.
 
2011-11-15 09:10:31 AM  

Xaneidolon: If the answer is the former in most cases, I think that history says that clearing out the OWS-ers is treating the symptom rather than the disease


New York City as a municipality cares about keeping New York City functioning, which includes its businesses, streets, etc.
So their goal really is just to remove the protesters because they are in the way.

Tackling the reasons behind the protests are a bit outside of the scope of their responsibilities.
 
2011-11-15 09:10:36 AM  

Space_Poet: PanicMan: Also, throwing away 5,000 books was unnecessary. What did the books do?

Educate.


Touche.
 
2011-11-15 09:10:47 AM  
The CNN article says they were moved a block and half away.

A BLOCK AND A HALF!

My farking CELL PHONE can zoom a block and a half and get a credible picture.

So to me, this whole 'media blackout' thing is utter bull.
 
2011-11-15 09:11:33 AM  
NYPD destroys OWS Library. 5,000 donated books in dumpster.
This and barring the press are farking stupid actions.
 
2011-11-15 09:12:40 AM  

Witchyman: My farking CELL PHONE can zoom a block and a half and get a credible picture.


You're implying that modern journalists in NYC actually have decent, functioning equipment and know how to use it.
That's a mighty generous assumption.
 
2011-11-15 09:12:53 AM  

Slaxl: Given the amount of people who stick up for the 1%ers around these parts it seems 50% of the 99% think they are the 1%.


THIS. Teabaggers, no matter how poor or farked over, act like they're millionaires who are just temporarily bereft of funds.
 
2011-11-15 09:14:19 AM  

tomcatadam: Witchyman: My farking CELL PHONE can zoom a block and a half and get a credible picture.

You're implying that modern journalists in NYC actually have decent, functioning equipment and know how to use it.
That's a mighty generous assumption.


Now you're just being dense. I have a Droid X cellphone. It cost me about a hundred bucks on sale. If CNN has a photojournalist that can't match my Droid X for the equipment they use.... I think I need to apply.
 
2011-11-15 09:14:20 AM  

Witchyman: The CNN article says they were moved a block and half away.

A BLOCK AND A HALF!

My farking CELL PHONE can zoom a block and a half and get a credible picture.

So to me, this whole 'media blackout' thing is utter bull.


Could thye talk to or interview anyone? Could they hear what people were saying? Congrats on having a fancy cell phone. Everyone knows 100% of journalism is pictures.
 
2011-11-15 09:14:39 AM  

Ringshadow: [i39.tinypic.com image 481x187]

^ See this? Oh yeah, I got this lecture.

/two college degrees, 74K in student debt
//working in nuclear power, industrial side


****

Same here: two degrees, $55K in student debt
Unemployed after being laid off a year ago, can't get hired in entry level jobs bc I'm too experienced. Can't get hired mid level because I don't have enough experience.
Not sure how unfry this epic fail.
 
2011-11-15 09:15:28 AM  

bemis23: Psycho Zombie Monkey: bemis23: So let's be clear about one thing:

If you don't have a problem with this, you are part of the problem.


I do not have a problem with this.

1) Gain a skill set
2) Meet people in the chosen field - networking
3) Get job, learn new skills as they come along
4) Profit


That is hard to do if you spend your time whining about how unfair everything is....


/too busy at work to protest something that has NO defined goals
//coddling these donkeys is part of the problem
////the world needs ditchdiggers
//extra slashies to support NYPD

I don't care if you disagree with the politics of OWS. Supporting the NYPD in this situation though....wow. You're a grade-A douche.

/gainfully employed
//not a ditchdigger



Fine...I am a Grade-A douche for supporting the NYPD. They have not broken any skulls and are doing a lawful eviction to allow for cleaning.

I was at Zucotti Park 3 weeks ago (had meetings with NYSE - lol) and the stench was noticeable. It needs a cleaning to avoid a TB outbreak or something worse.

I support a call to change the system - but there needs to be a plan and a goal....not just sitting in parks; banging drums and chanting feel good phrases.


You can equate me to whatever you want...it does not make you right...or me right - we just disagree.
 
2011-11-15 09:15:58 AM  

Radioactive Ass: dumbobruni: this is happening across the country tonight, not just in NYC.

Oakland has asked them at least three times, in writing, to please leave as they are stretching the OPD to its limits and taking away valuable service from its citizens. It's not like they weren't warned or that they didn't know that it was coming sooner rather than later.


Well I think we know how to win this thing then don't we?
 
2011-11-15 09:16:21 AM  

Amos Quito: sinschild: Amos Quito: without due process of law

enforcing the law is no longer due process I suppose? How about when they raid a pot grow and burn the plants? No due process there either I suppose?


Marijuana is currently an "illegal substance", unlike personal property such as sleeping bags, tents, clothing, computers, cell phones, books, etc.

But I realize that this is irrelevant to those of a certain mindset.


Again, I support their right to protest. I support their right to occupy. I do not agree with their platform.

"Due Process" would rely on whatever court order or warrant they were given to remove this material from the park. I don't think it is right, but there is a long history of case law to back this up. Any materials used in a crime can be summarily destroyed or disposed of. If the crime is trespassing, or murder, it is still crime.

Authoritarians make me stabby, but you have to use the right argument at the right time if you want to make a logical argument about it.
 
2011-11-15 09:16:26 AM  

CPennypacker: Witchyman: The CNN article says they were moved a block and half away.

A BLOCK AND A HALF!

My farking CELL PHONE can zoom a block and a half and get a credible picture.

So to me, this whole 'media blackout' thing is utter bull.

Could thye talk to or interview anyone? Could they hear what people were saying? Congrats on having a fancy cell phone. Everyone knows 100% of journalism is pictures.


Evidently they did since the entire article is full of interviews with the OWS people talking to them.

One protester told CNN he was awakened by "shouting and screaming" and wasn't sure what was going on. He said he didn't find out about the order to vacate until later.

Baratta, the protester, said that the movement will continue whether or not the park serves as a base.
 
2011-11-15 09:16:43 AM  
ahh, the sweet smell of justice and pine-sol in the morning.
 
2011-11-15 09:17:26 AM  

Ringshadow: [i39.tinypic.com image 481x187]

^ See this? Oh yeah, I got this lecture.

/two college degrees, 74K in student debt
//working in nuclear power, industrial side


Ringshadow: [i39.tinypic.com image 481x187]

^ See this? Oh yeah, I got this lecture.

/two college degrees, 74K in student debt
//working in nuclear power, industrial side


****
Same here: two degrees, $55K in student debt
Unemployed after being laid off a year ago, can't get hired in entry level jobs bc I'm too experienced. Can't get hired mid level because I don't have enough experience.
Not sure how to unfry this epic fail.
 
2011-11-15 09:17:28 AM  
YouSirAreAMaroon :So if homeless drug addicts occupied your bedroom that would be lawful as long as they remain peaceful and anyone who took actions to remove them, police or otherwise, would be acting unlawfully? Post your address
-Witty. But your name is describing yourself. No, in fact protecting your home is another inalienable right. They are in a public commons. Be thankful they dont take to the streets. THE PARKS ARE COMMON GROUNDS. They are owned by the PEOPLE. Not the state, not parks and recreation, THE PEOPLE. You're wrong if you think otherwise, ask Thomas Paine.

liam76
"Everything you said there was completely wrong."- O Rly?
Calling your actions a "protest" doesn;t make otherwise illegal acts legal. -we're talking about police forcing protestors out of a commons area. THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO PROTEST, they are being peaceful. And it rly don't matter if the park closes at 6. The "LAWS" curbing mans right to protest are not any law you need recognize. (Be aware of the cost of course.. The people who actually understand these caveats and stand up get their skulls cracked. And you are basically spitting on them if you dont recognize it).
There is no proof of "forcing the press out".(They ordered reporters out of the area. PROOF). And it is prefectly legal to disperse protestors that are breaking the law even if they aren't violent (it is also legal to arrest "press" if they are standing with protestors).- So says the supreme court. And they are never wrong.. (Following the law blindly, how you think thats gonna work out for ya?)
/This is the third guy I have responded to with an outlook on the first that is so farking wrong I can't tell if they are trolling or that stupid.
-Actually, you're just ignorant. A fine product of the American education system. Pity they dropped civic classes, now everyone thinks the lawyers are right.

And my comment about the people who will turn to violence isn't any kind of threat, its FACT. Thats how it works. I'm not out there protesting, I did that in my 20's in front of the pentagon for things like installing dictatorships via CIA involvement, and teaching torture methods to communist countries at the school of Americas..
I'm telling you this because I've been there, done that: SEEN HOW IT WORKS. You have cnn, how many times you see this happen in other countries? WHAT THEY ARE DOING IS NOT THE WAY TO HANDLE IT. All that money for police presence: better divert some to sanitation if thats irking you. These people are catching TB to farking engage their GOD GIVEN rights.

Zomg! Someone stole something, theres litter! Oh no, the POT smoke! There will be irresponsible people at just about any gathering once it gets big enough. STILL doesen't give anyone ANY right to FARK with their right to protest. IMO they are policing themselves rather well.
 
2011-11-15 09:17:54 AM  

Witchyman: So to me, this whole 'media blackout' thing is utter bull.


is there nobody in NYC with a model copter and a gopro?
 
2011-11-15 09:18:07 AM  

bulldg4life: I'm shocked that the shills who spent years trumpeting the Tea Party and admonishing every perceived slight as the government's thugs ruining civil discourse and silencing dissent are now laughing and joking about the OWS while commending the NYPD's efforts.


The keyword there is "Shills".
 
2011-11-15 09:18:56 AM  

MythDragon: Sure, next time the tea party decides to turn a public park into Refugee City for a straight month, and treats the place like their own personal garbage pit, I am all in favor of flashbangs and teargas. Oh wait, they don't do that. They have their protests and then go home like rational adults.


Well, duh. Where do you think they're going to recharge their scooters? There isn't any room to pull in the RV and you can't put a generator in a tent.
 
2011-11-15 09:19:36 AM  
Link to Glenn Beck's site (new window)

Which evidently employs the best reporter in the ENTIRE UNIVERSE since he can do things no one else can.
 
2011-11-15 09:21:02 AM  

CPennypacker: EWreckedSean: James!: Nobody got shot. The protestors went to a different park for a bit. They powerwashed that shiat, and now people can come back without tents and shiat.

Yeah, but what about their Constitutional right to set up a shanty town in a private park?

Hi

Zucotti Park is a Public Park that is required to stay open 24 hours. That is why they chose it

Thanks


Guess again. It's privately owned by Brookfield Office Properties.
 
2011-11-15 09:21:12 AM  

FredaDeStilleto:
There's a new issue evolving that is being sorely missed: the ability of a government to censor the media in reporting the news. Yeah...it's an old, much discussed topic in threads centered around Fox vs CNN, etc. But this is a dog of a different color: How can the mayor of a city prevent the press from witnessing and reporting an event - going to far as to ground news helicopters from flying overhead? This is going to be a major issue if for no other reason than the media likes to talk about itself.


Keep in mind that that area is very tight airspace, you have a major flight corridor to the east of it, with a large airport just south, and 2 big airports to the west. When police helicopters are up, its not uncommon for them to tell news copters to get out of the area, so they can maneuver, etc.

Not to mention in this day and age, people have access to live media wherever, so press or news copters reporting on police movements instantly ends up in the hands of the people the police are moving against, which makes their job harder\more dangerous.
 
2011-11-15 09:22:24 AM  

Psycho Zombie Monkey: bemis23: Psycho Zombie Monkey: bemis23: So let's be clear about one thing:

If you don't have a problem with this, you are part of the problem.


I do not have a problem with this.

1) Gain a skill set
2) Meet people in the chosen field - networking
3) Get job, learn new skills as they come along
4) Profit


That is hard to do if you spend your time whining about how unfair everything is....


/too busy at work to protest something that has NO defined goals
//coddling these donkeys is part of the problem
////the world needs ditchdiggers
//extra slashies to support NYPD

I don't care if you disagree with the politics of OWS. Supporting the NYPD in this situation though....wow. You're a grade-A douche.

/gainfully employed
//not a ditchdigger


Fine...I am a Grade-A douche for supporting the NYPD. They have not broken any skulls and are doing a lawful eviction to allow for cleaning.

I was at Zucotti Park 3 weeks ago (had meetings with NYSE - lol) and the stench was noticeable. It needs a cleaning to avoid a TB outbreak or something worse.

I support a call to change the system - but there needs to be a plan and a goal....not just sitting in parks; banging drums and chanting feel good phrases.


You can equate me to whatever you want...it does not make you right...or me right - we just disagree.


Before you go and say things like this you should really check some facts first.
 
2011-11-15 09:22:36 AM  

CPennypacker: EWreckedSean: CPennypacker: EWreckedSean: CPennypacker: EWreckedSean: James!: Nobody got shot. The protestors went to a different park for a bit. They powerwashed that shiat, and now people can come back without tents and shiat.

Yeah, but what about their Constitutional right to set up a shanty town in a private park?

Hi

Zucotti Park is a Public Park that is required to stay open 24 hours. That is why they chose it

Thanks

Link (new window)

Zuccotti Park, formerly called Liberty Plaza Park, is a 33,000-square-foot (3,100 m2) publicly accessible park in Lower Manhattan, New York City, privately owned by Brookfield Properties.

Maybe you should read further down. The park is privately owned, but it is a public space that is open to the public 24 hours a day.

1) Publically accessible park doesn't equal public park
2) Being accessibly 24 hours a day doesn't equal being allowed to set up a permanent settlement there, it doesn't mean anything you do there is a ok. The agreement with the city was to be open 24 hours a day, not that they couldn't regulate the park
3) Failure of the OWS protestors to abide by the park rules lead to this. As a privately owned park, every crime that takes places there, every disease outbreak, subjects the owners to liability.

Are you ever tired of being wrong?

1) The park was created in a deal with US steel. They wanted to put additional floors on 1 Liberty Plaza, and were allowed this significant zoning variance in exchange for providing this public space. It is open 24 hours and publicly accessible by law and HEAVILY taxpayer subsidized.
2) There is no law disallowing it, and again, since it is heavily taxpayer subsidized, they are discouraged from disbanding a peaceful protest. Don't you think they would have done it by now?


1) And yet that still doesn't make it a public ark. Publically accessible still doesn't equally publically owned. And it certaintly doesn't preclude them for making rules governing the park. i.e. if tenting becomes a problem, they are 100% in the right to disallow tents.
2) It's a private park, it isn't governed by laws, it is governed by the owners rules, with the exception to the agreement they made with the city on access.
3) As for them doing it by now, the park owner invite the protesters back after the park was cleaned. Overnight camping is not synonymous with free speech.
 
2011-11-15 09:22:45 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Psycho Zombie Monkey:

I do not have a problem with this.

1) Gain a skill set
2) Meet people in the chosen field - networking
3) Get job, learn new skills as they come along
4) Profit


That is hard to do if you spend your time whining about how unfair everything is....


/too busy at work to protest something that has NO defined goals
//coddling these donkeys is part of the problem
////the world needs ditchdiggers
//extra slashies to support NYPD

You sound like someone who's only value is money.



If by valuing money - you mean making sure that I have enough to feed my family, pay my mortgage and occasionally have some fun.....I guess you win.


Again - if these folks had some semblance of goals, perhaps I could get behind them (I was very active in anti-war and pro-choice many years ago - no time to protest these days) - but most of them have no idea what they are looking for.

Plus - the whole 'we refuse to feed the homeless or downtrodden with our donated food' thing really pissed me off. Way to be ironic and not even know it...
 
2011-11-15 09:22:50 AM  

Witchyman: Now you're just being dense. I have a Droid X cellphone. It cost me about a hundred bucks on sale. If CNN has a photojournalist that can't match my Droid X for the equipment they use.... I think I need to apply.


I know the camera on my friend's Nexus S certainly couldn't take a decent picture from far away - the tiny sensor is just too bad. And of course, neither can my N1.

I just meant to imply that the majority of the front line journalists are going to be mediocre and not really focusing well.
 
2011-11-15 09:22:52 AM  
A quote from the Mayor from another article on Bloomberg.com:

"The First Amendment protects speech," the mayor said in a press conference at City Hall. "It doesn't protect the use of tents and sleeping bags to take over public space."

Hey genius. the First Amendment also guarantees the right to "peaceably assemble". And by definition, a "public space" is for use by the public.

Really, how do these people get elected to public office without a solid understanding of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?
 
2011-11-15 09:23:07 AM  

tomcatadam: NYPD destroys OWS Library. 5,000 donated books in dumpster.
This and barring the press are farking stupid actions.



Of course this action is all truly needless. The group would have quickly and quietly dissipated into obscurity as soon as the winter weather set in. American's won't have the stones to get really serious until their bellies are empty.

What we are witnessing is the flexing of government muscle - sort of like the little "campfire" that Clinton and Reno started at the Branch Davidian compound in Waco - only a milder version - at least so far.
 
2011-11-15 09:23:36 AM  

Witchyman: Link to Glenn Beck's site (new window)

Which evidently employs the best reporter in the ENTIRE UNIVERSE since he can do things no one else can.


What exactly do you think that proves? Seriously why are you so desperate to deny the documented restrictions on reporters ability to cover the eviction happened?
 
2011-11-15 09:24:08 AM  
If OWS protested everyday, but every night cleaned up and returned home (or at least left the site), wouldn't they be just as present but with half the problems?
 
kab
2011-11-15 09:26:09 AM  

godofatheist: R.I.P. First Amendment, 2011


This year? No. That's been dead for a while.
 
2011-11-15 09:26:12 AM  
I know a lot of FARKers are assholes, but damn. Just damn.

The fact that so many of you condone this...makes me ill...and fearful.
I shouldn't be surprised.
I mean, I know how many of you are outright racists.
But that you can be so disparaging of people fighting the good fight
For something real
For something honest
For something true.

FARK has had some moments it can really take pride in

Today is not one of those moments
 
2011-11-15 09:26:12 AM  

Witchyman: The CNN article says they were moved a block and half away.

A BLOCK AND A HALF!


So, what's the appropriate distance at which a restriction of the freedom of the press becomes unconstitutional? "Well, your honor, we figured moving them three blocks would be unreasonable."
 
2011-11-15 09:27:34 AM  

DarthBrooks: iserlohn: DarthBrooks: "Peaceable assembly" does not equal overnight camping.

[farm4.static.flickr.com image 375x500]

/ Sorry folks, park's closed.
// Moose out front should have told you.

Zuccotti park does not close at dusk. It's not a normal park owned by NYC.

Which means it's privately held and subject to trespassing laws. If Brookfield Office Properties (owners of the park) wanted trespassers removed, the #OWS people have even less of a case to stay than if they were in a city-owned park.


It is a private park that remains open to the public on special terms with the city. Stop assuming things you don't know.
 
2011-11-15 09:28:08 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Witchyman: Link to Glenn Beck's site (new window)

Which evidently employs the best reporter in the ENTIRE UNIVERSE since he can do things no one else can.

What exactly do you think that proves? Seriously why are you so desperate to deny the documented restrictions on reporters ability to cover the eviction happened?


Documented restrictions? That is asinine. They were moved a BLOCK AND A HALF AWAY! Because you know, the police were conducting their operation. And I kind of think the police can ask that the press isn't up there ass when their dealing with the protesters.

Do you actually think there should have been imbedded reporters with each police squad so we could have had more repeats of the lawyer falling down next to a police scooter and screaming his head off so they could scream 'BRUTALITY' over and over again?

Removing the press a BLOCK AND A HALF AWAY is well within my comfort zone.
 
2011-11-15 09:28:34 AM  

jingks: If OWS protested everyday, but every night cleaned up and returned home (or at least left the site), wouldn't they be just as present but with half the problems?


No, then they'd be ignored. It's the "occupy" part that really makes them stand out. If they went home at night they'd be dismissed as spoiled kids who can't stand the cold or are running home to mommy or something like that.
 
2011-11-15 09:28:36 AM  

Doubletwist-: A quote from the Mayor from another article on Bloomberg.com:

"The First Amendment protects speech," the mayor said in a press conference at City Hall. "It doesn't protect the use of tents and sleeping bags to take over public space."

Hey genius. the First Amendment also guarantees the right to "peaceably assemble". And by definition, a "public space" is for use by the public.

Really, how do these people get elected to public office without a solid understanding of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights?


notsureifserious.jpg
 
2011-11-15 09:28:57 AM  

sinschild: Entitled little farks who want other people to pick up the tab for their bad decisions will get zero sympathy from me. I think the protestors being removed from the park is a huge issue.


You're not even that good at it. I hope they cut your pay for the ham-fisted approach you use. There are people here that could slide that sort of narrative in much, much smoother.

I rescind my prior request for direction toward the paycheck though. On further reflection I think my morals would prevent me from doing even the half-assed job you're mustering here today.

And if you're curious to why I keep mocking you, here's a hint: if you're just going to lie and regurgitate nonsense you heard on Fox News and from republican political leaders instead of even attempting to learn the motivations and demands of the people you're maligning I'm not going to treat you with any respect. Your argument will get a serious and honest treatment from me when you have a serious and honest argument to make.

While it's just the same old tired and ridiculous list of bullshiat talking points, you'll get the mockery you so richly deserve.

I await your smug response that you don't care about my opinion, as if that had anything to do with the larger problem of your boundless lying.
 
2011-11-15 09:28:57 AM  
jingks 2011-11-15 09:24:08 AM

If OWS protested everyday, but every night cleaned up and returned home (or at least left the site), wouldn't they be just as present but with half the problems?


They wouldnt be able to generate the same amount of outrage though.
 
2011-11-15 09:29:04 AM  

Abstruse: Protests in Iran: 20+ threads on Fark, 3-4 a day each with thousands of comments.

Protests in America: 2 threads, 17 comments total between the two.

*facepalm*


Protests in Iran: The government had shady election results, fired weapons at protestors, killed protestors, arrested and tortured protest leaders

Protests in America: Cops let a bunch of kids hang out in the park violating local ordinances for a few weeks and then kicked them out of the park, there was that one guy that was beat up in Oakland, and anarchy is the name of the game within the encampments

Yep. Same thing. Totally.

*facepalm*
 
2011-11-15 09:29:06 AM  
Not a big deal since camping in a park is about the most useless protest of all time.
 
2011-11-15 09:29:27 AM  
OWS kept the park clean. I've seen it. The stories you hear of rot and feces are lies. The place was amazing. The real feces is all over Wall St, from the cops horses. The street is covered in horse shiat.
 
2011-11-15 09:29:39 AM  

Psycho Zombie Monkey: Philip Francis Queeg: Psycho Zombie Monkey:

I do not have a problem with this.

1) Gain a skill set
2) Meet people in the chosen field - networking
3) Get job, learn new skills as they come along
4) Profit


That is hard to do if you spend your time whining about how unfair everything is....


/too busy at work to protest something that has NO defined goals
//coddling these donkeys is part of the problem
////the world needs ditchdiggers
//extra slashies to support NYPD

You sound like someone who's only value is money.


If by valuing money - you mean making sure that I have enough to feed my family, pay my mortgage and occasionally have some fun.....I guess you win.


Again - if these folks had some semblance of goals, perhaps I could get behind them (I was very active in anti-war and pro-choice many years ago - no time to protest these days) - but most of them have no idea what they are looking for.

Plus - the whole 'we refuse to feed the homeless or downtrodden with our donated food' thing really pissed me off. Way to be ironic and not even know it...


No,m, I mean you seem like the type of person who seems to use money as the determiner of all values, including people. Making a profit is superior to standing up for what you believe in.

Also from the bolded statement, it you also seem like the type of person who doesn't value honesty and the facts in the slightest.
 
2011-11-15 09:30:05 AM  

Gonz: Witchyman: The CNN article says they were moved a block and half away.

A BLOCK AND A HALF!

So, what's the appropriate distance at which a restriction of the freedom of the press becomes unconstitutional? "Well, your honor, we figured moving them three blocks would be unreasonable."


Not sure. I'm happy with a block and a half though. I'm pretty sure the NYPD has a cadre of lawyers that went over this with a fine tooth comb before moving the press. Block and a half isn't anything, AND they were able to interview people.

I think the 'media blackout' screams of outrage is dishonest.
 
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