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(Sun Sentinel)   Now that the NBA players' union has dissolved itself, that means every player's contract becomes void. Including three high-profile stars in Miami   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 150
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2011-11-15 07:01:53 AM
Actually, if it works out similar to the free-agency orgasm that the NFL had, it could be a massive and fun shakeup of the association. And they desperately could use it.
 
2011-11-15 07:43:03 AM
All contracts voided would be a bizarre alternate reality. Once the league did reach a deal I couldn't imagine simply allowing a free agent free for all. Perhaps a 12 round draft? It would be immensely entertaining.
 
2011-11-15 08:12:47 AM

MayoSlather: All contracts voided would be a bizarre alternate reality. Once the league did reach a deal I couldn't imagine simply allowing a free agent free for all. Perhaps a 12 round draft? It would be immensely entertaining.


With the first overall pick in the NBA re-draft... the Cleveland Cavaliers select... LeBron James!
 
2011-11-15 08:15:56 AM
Start the damn season with rookies and developmental league players.

That is all...
 
2011-11-15 08:18:21 AM
this is what happens when you fill your league with one-and-done knuckleheads.
 
2011-11-15 08:19:56 AM

a sharp nail: MayoSlather: All contracts voided would be a bizarre alternate reality. Once the league did reach a deal I couldn't imagine simply allowing a free agent free for all. Perhaps a 12 round draft? It would be immensely entertaining.

With the first overall pick in the NBA re-draft... the Cleveland Cavaliers select... LeBron James!


As a Cleveland fan, I would actually applaud this move ... especially if he's stuck with a 4 yr rookie deal ... maybe work in a franchise tag like the NFL has. It would be fun to watch his face night in and night out.

/ Never happen
// Fun to think about though
 
2011-11-15 08:22:11 AM

MayoSlather: All contracts voided would be a bizarre alternate reality. Once the league did reach a deal I couldn't imagine simply allowing a free agent free for all. Perhaps a 12 round draft? It would be immensely entertaining.


And a 30-team lottery. Just to see Simmons' head explode when David Stern pulls out the penultimate envelope..."and the #2 pick goes to the Lakers, which means the New York Knicks get the first pick"
 
2011-11-15 08:24:10 AM

a sharp nail: MayoSlather: All contracts voided would be a bizarre alternate reality. Once the league did reach a deal I couldn't imagine simply allowing a free agent free for all. Perhaps a 12 round draft? It would be immensely entertaining.

With the first overall pick in the NBA re-draft... the Cleveland Cavaliers select... LeBron James!


Why should there be a draft? There is no union, no rules, no collusion. Teams negotiate terms with individuals players and give them as much or as little as the free market allows. If NBA owners still want collective TV and other rights deals then that is up to the owners. The NBA should move to the European soccer model and then you will see the owners wishing for the days they were spending 57% of basketball revenue on salaries.
 
2011-11-15 08:25:57 AM

a sharp nail: With the first overall pick in the NBA re-draft... the Cleveland Cavaliers select... LeBron James!


Now THAT would be funny.
 
2011-11-15 08:27:56 AM

a sharp nail: MayoSlather: All contracts voided would be a bizarre alternate reality. Once the league did reach a deal I couldn't imagine simply allowing a free agent free for all. Perhaps a 12 round draft? It would be immensely entertaining.

With the first overall pick in the NBA re-draft... the Cleveland Cavaliers select... LeBron James!


At first I was for the FA free for all for fun, but this. Just this.
 
2011-11-15 08:35:14 AM
Why, I remember the NFL lockout...where all contracts became void and there was mass chaos...you know, until the lockout ended and everyone went back to their contracted team like nothing happened.
 
2011-11-15 08:40:16 AM
Umm....I don't care about the NBA lockout, but did you see the sidebar video?

Miami Heat dancers hold auditions

/You're welcome
 
2011-11-15 08:41:53 AM

bulldg4life: Why, I remember the NFL lockout...where all contracts became void and there was mass chaos...you know, until the lockout ended and everyone went back to their contracted team like nothing happened.


Yeah, except the nflpa didn't dissolve. It was still around. Big difference.
 
2011-11-15 08:41:58 AM
Three high-profile stars in Miami? That would be LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and .... um ..... erm .... Don Johnson?, no ...... it's ....... sorry it's gone.

/oops
 
2011-11-15 08:45:25 AM

kidgenius: bulldg4life: Why, I remember the NFL lockout...where all contracts became void and there was mass chaos...you know, until the lockout ended and everyone went back to their contracted team like nothing happened.

Yeah, except the nflpa didn't dissolve. It was still around. Big difference.


Yes, it did dissolve, and the players did bring anti-trust suits against the owners, though they didn't win them. It had to recertify itself before a deal could be signed.
 
2011-11-15 08:47:07 AM

a sharp nail: MayoSlather: All contracts voided would be a bizarre alternate reality. Once the league did reach a deal I couldn't imagine simply allowing a free agent free for all. Perhaps a 12 round draft? It would be immensely entertaining.

With the first overall pick in the NBA re-draft... the Cleveland Cavaliers select... LeBron James!


"They decided to take my talents back to the lake."
 
2011-11-15 08:51:51 AM

kidgenius: Yeah, except the nflpa didn't dissolve. It was still around. Big difference.


Yes, it did. The NFLPA had the votes during the end of last season and prepared for doing it quickly. They dissolved and got the anti-trust cases going earlier while still "bargaining".

When a deal is reached, the contracts are going to go back in to effect.
 
2011-11-15 08:53:02 AM

Lost Thought 00: kidgenius: bulldg4life: Why, I remember the NFL lockout...where all contracts became void and there was mass chaos...you know, until the lockout ended and everyone went back to their contracted team like nothing happened.

Yeah, except the nflpa didn't dissolve. It was still around. Big difference.

Yes, it did dissolve, and the players did bring anti-trust suits against the owners, though they didn't win them. It had to recertify itself before a deal could be signed.


The reason the NFL players were able to win certain concessions in their negotiation was DeMaurice Smith saw the lockout coming and arranged for lockout insurance - $200K per player per season. I can't imagine the premium that they had to pay, but it was worth it. I doubt Billy Hunter was that smart.
 
2011-11-15 08:57:21 AM
Oh great, so people will have to sit through another hour-long 'My Decision' douchebagathon?
 
2011-11-15 09:00:23 AM

enik: Oh great, so people will have to sit through another hour-long 'My Decision' douchebagathon?


"I'm taking my talents to.....Red Lobster"
 
2011-11-15 09:01:09 AM

inert: Three high-profile stars FAILURES in Miami? That would be LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and .... um ..... erm .... Don Johnson?, no ...... it's ....... sorry it's gone.

/oops



DIRK!
 
2011-11-15 09:03:45 AM
It hilarious to imagine the Cavs taking LeBron but - if there was a league wide, every player available draft, would he even be the first pick? There's no arguing what he meant to the Cavs (although a LOT changed since his last year and the debacle that was the last season) and he's still quite young but I kind of doubt he's the undisputed #1 pick in a draft like that.
 
2011-11-15 09:05:08 AM
I don't believe that NFL contracts have a clause requiring the union be present. When the NFLPA was decertified, the players were never freed from their obligations to their teams, different scenario completely.
 
2011-11-15 09:05:59 AM
God I hope for some kind of chaos. I don't even follow basketball, but I think it would be great.
 
2011-11-15 09:07:25 AM
Usually during a negotiation, the two sides compromise and move closer together. Instead, the owners keep lowering their offer with each round instead of meeting in the middle. It will be fun to watch David Stern twisting in the wind when March Madness arrives.
 
2011-11-15 09:08:17 AM

enik: Oh great, so people will have be dumb enough to sit through another hour-long 'My Decision' douchebagathon?


FTFY

/unless you were held hostage and forced to watch it, in which case I'm sorry.
 
2011-11-15 09:09:03 AM

Pratty: a sharp nail: MayoSlather: All contracts voided would be a bizarre alternate reality. Once the league did reach a deal I couldn't imagine simply allowing a free agent free for all. Perhaps a 12 round draft? It would be immensely entertaining.

With the first overall pick in the NBA re-draft... the Cleveland Cavaliers select... LeBron James!

At first I was for the FA free for all for fun, but this. Just this.


What if the Dolans decide to offer crazy stupid money to lure Lebron to the Knicks? It's not likely, but they have demonstrated a willingness to be both crazy & stupid on numerous occasions & it IS NYC. Meanwhile, we have the other side of the Dolan family owning the Indians, who, while also crazy rich, mostly operate on the wallet/crowbar principle of running a team..
 
2011-11-15 09:09:04 AM

UNC_Samurai: The reason the NFL players were able to win certain concessions in their negotiation was DeMaurice Smith saw the lockout coming and arranged for lockout insurance - $200K per player per season. I can't imagine the premium that they had to pay, but it was worth it. I doubt Billy Hunter was that smart.


I'd say you're probably right, or else the NBAPA would have decertified in July. What they are doing now seems like desperation and an unwillingness to accept that they lost the negotiations.
 
2011-11-15 09:12:30 AM

Gunny Highway: enik: Oh great, so people will have to sit through another hour-long 'My Decision' douchebagathon?

"I'm taking my talents to.....Red Lobster"



The fam ain't eatin' cheddar biscuits, but this random baller is eatin' cheddar biscuits!
 
2011-11-15 09:23:48 AM

Fizpez: It hilarious to imagine the Cavs taking LeBron but - if there was a league wide, every player available draft, would he even be the first pick? There's no arguing what he meant to the Cavs (although a LOT changed since his last year and the debacle that was the last season) and he's still quite young but I kind of doubt he's the undisputed #1 pick in a draft like that.


LeBron is, without question, the first pick in a draft like that. I know he's had his issues (both PR-wise and playoff-wise), but there's really nobody out there who is as good at as many things as he is.

That said, assuming basketball comes back ever, it's the mid-level guys who have to worry more about their contracts than the stars. If anything the LeBrons, Kobes, Roses, Howards, etc. of the world should be making more, while guys like Travis Outlaw shouldn't be making $7 mil a year.
 
2011-11-15 09:28:35 AM

UNC_Samurai: Gunny Highway: enik: Oh great, so people will have to sit through another hour-long 'My Decision' douchebagathon?

"I'm taking my talents to.....Red Lobster"


The fam ain't eatin' cheddar biscuits, but this random baller is eatin' cheddar biscuits!


Mmmm, cheddar biscuits...
 
2011-11-15 09:29:06 AM
I don't know the fundamentals of this situation, but if every team now technically has no players, why would the Cavs get the first pick? The rosters of the teams now technically do not resemble those that the teams finished with last year. I would think that how they finished last year shouldn't necessarily matter now.
 
2011-11-15 09:31:32 AM

KiwDaWabbit: I don't know the fundamentals of this situation, but if every team now technically has no players, why would the Cavs get the first pick? The rosters of the teams now technically do not resemble those that the teams finished with last year. I would think that how they finished last year shouldn't necessarily matter now.


I agree. They should go alphabetically by city name.

Go Hawks!
 
2011-11-15 09:39:04 AM

bulldg4life: KiwDaWabbit: I don't know the fundamentals of this situation, but if every team now technically has no players, why would the Cavs get the first pick? The rosters of the teams now technically do not resemble those that the teams finished with last year. I would think that how they finished last year shouldn't necessarily matter now.

I agree. They should go alphabetically by city name.

Go Hawks!


We'd probably just draft Marvin Williams again.

/lifetime Hawks fan
 
2011-11-15 09:40:25 AM

inert: Three high-profile stars in Miami? That would be LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and .... um ..... erm .... Don Johnson?, no ...... it's ....... sorry it's gone.

/oops


Mario.
Chalmers.
 
2011-11-15 09:41:09 AM

inert: Three high-profile stars in Miami? That would be LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and .... um ..... erm .... Don Johnson?, no ...... it's ....... sorry it's gone.

/oops


EPA
 
2011-11-15 09:56:42 AM

sid244: Umm....I don't care about the NBA lockout, but did you see the sidebar video?

Miami Heat dancers hold auditions

/You're welcome


Since there won't be a season this year, I guess they will be shaking their asses on bars that have poles in them.

/ txs for the link. Nice to have a cup of coffee and seeing prime ass like that.
// working from home today.
 
2011-11-15 09:58:29 AM
Any agreement needs to include two things: first, Stern goes away forever. Second, referees will be required to not only enforce the rules, such as those concerning traveling, palming, etc., but to make the same calls throughout the game, no matter who the player involved is or whether or not it is crunch time.
 
2011-11-15 10:06:02 AM
Fun fact: with the NBA out of commission, Major League Soccer is now the third most popular sport in the US.

It used to be sixth.

/now you'll look smart in front of your friends.
 
2011-11-15 10:07:24 AM

Marcus Aurelius: Usually during a negotiation, the two sides compromise and move closer together. Instead, the owners keep lowering their offer with each round instead of meeting in the middle. It will be fun to watch David Stern twisting in the wind when March Madness arrives.


I don't think that will happen, the owners initially wanted 47% and came in with an offer above what they started at thinking they would agree, the more the players pushed for a greater share the more the owners said "fark you then".

I think early in this a few owners were willing to cancel the season, now that this has drug on most of the owners don't care if the season is cancelled or not. The only owner I can think of that wants this season to happen is mark cuban and they hate him.
 
2011-11-15 10:09:34 AM

Marine1: Fun fact: with the NBA out of commission, Major League Soccer is now the third most popular sport in the US.


Wow, the NHL is really pathetic.
 
2011-11-15 10:10:26 AM

Fizpez: It hilarious to imagine the Cavs taking LeBron but - if there was a league wide, every player available draft, would he even be the first pick? There's no arguing what he meant to the Cavs (although a LOT changed since his last year and the debacle that was the last season) and he's still quite young but I kind of doubt he's the undisputed #1 pick in a draft like that.


I'd go for a point guard, as there never seems to be enough good passing point guards in the league. Maybe CP3? Of course, if you just wanted a young scoring option, then Durant's a no-brainer (outside of Portland)
 
2011-11-15 10:11:08 AM

Rapmaster2000: Marine1: Fun fact: with the NBA out of commission, Major League Soccer is now the third most popular sport in the US.

Wow, the NHL is really pathetic.


Meh. As long as it's doing well enough to continue existing (which it is) then I'm good.
 
2011-11-15 10:12:54 AM

feanorn: Any agreement needs to include two things: first, Stern goes away forever. Second, referees will be required to not only enforce the rules, such as those concerning traveling, palming, etc., but to make the same calls throughout the game, no matter who the player involved is or whether or not it is crunch time.


Ready to see a lot of 238-236 scores, where each team scores 200 points in free throws? That's what enforcing every rule in the rulebook would create. Basketball games would also each be six hours long.

/before commercials
 
2011-11-15 10:14:02 AM

Rapmaster2000: Marine1: Fun fact: with the NBA out of commission, Major League Soccer is now the third most popular sport in the US.

Wow, the NHL is really pathetic.


Well, considering that NASCAR is still #1, I'm not sure how much weight you should be giving that stat.

/Assuming rank is based on fan attendance
//NHL plays in relatively small arenas
 
2011-11-15 10:15:44 AM
Also, I guess go Dynamo in the championship game because screw the Galaxy
 
2011-11-15 10:21:14 AM
Menjo_Bleeko: Ready to see a lot of 238-236 scores, where each team scores 200 points in free throws? That's what enforcing every rule in the rulebook would create. Basketball games would also each be six hours long.

Only for the first couple weeks; the players would adjust. They're the best in the world at what they do, supposedly.
 
2011-11-15 10:21:18 AM
So.... what's to stop someone from creating the - MBA - moufuggenbasketball association?
Give players the 55% or whatever they want because it seemed they were pretty close.
Have a draft with a smaller amount of teams so you kinda create all star teams - fun to watch.
Rent out buildings/parks/convention centers/whatever.
*Profit*
I think I could live with 40-45% of billions instead of 50% of billions.... that wouldn't be so bad, two chicks at the same time...actually 3 with that kinda dough.
/Greedy bastards
 
2011-11-15 10:26:29 AM

Lost Thought 00: Rapmaster2000: Marine1: Fun fact: with the NBA out of commission, Major League Soccer is now the third most popular sport in the US.

Wow, the NHL is really pathetic.

Well, considering that NASCAR is still #1, I'm not sure how much weight you should be giving that stat.

/Assuming rank is based on fan attendance
//NHL plays in relatively small arenas


Don't quite remember where I read it, but NASCAR was not at the top of the list. It might have been by a different measure than TV viewership. I'm not finding it right now and class is about to start... you all dig it up somewhere.
 
2011-11-15 10:27:50 AM
An actual fantasy draft for the NBA would be so much fun to watch. You can see how each team decides to build. Do they go star power and headlines or do they go solid team that should win 50 games a year and be almost garunteed a playoff slot. Do they build from the inside out with a Center and Forwards or from the outside in with Guards? For the first time in my life I would actually watch an NBA event. I would love it and so would a lot of other people.

/I'd take Dwight Howard and build from the inside out
//If I couldn't get Howard I would still build from the inside out.
 
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