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2011-11-14 11:56:46 PM
We all gotta go sometime.
 
2011-11-14 11:58:15 PM
Reminds me of that crappy Bond villain who had a bullet in his brain and it made him feel no pain. The plot had something to do with a submarine and some pipeline, I honestly can't be bothered to look it up. I think Denise Richards was some kind of physicist...
 
2011-11-14 11:59:27 PM
Fractured did it.
 
2011-11-15 12:02:42 AM
not that weird and not that uncommon subtard.
 
2011-11-15 12:05:47 AM
"A Kent woman died last week from injuries suffered during a 1996 shooting, and her death was declared a homicide on Monday."

...And that is the extent of the article. Why did she die from a 15+ year old injury? Could this have been prevented with proper healthcare? If so, is it really a homicide?

Journalism...How does it farking work?
 
2011-11-15 12:11:12 AM

vinnybang: "A Kent woman died last week from injuries suffered during a 1996 shooting, and her death was declared a homicide on Monday."

...And that is the extent of the article. Why did she die from a 15+ year old injury? Could this have been prevented with proper healthcare? If so, is it really a homicide?

Journalism...How does it farking work?


And... if the perpetrator was already convicted of shooting her, doesn't it make it a moot point? How do they know it was a 15 year old gun shot wound that killed her? If my mother's pinky gets shot of, then she dies 15 years later, can I sue the shooter?
 
2011-11-15 12:14:11 AM

vinnybang: "A Kent woman died last week from injuries suffered during a 1996 shooting, and her death was declared a homicide on Monday."

...And that is the extent of the article. Why did she die from a 15+ year old injury? Could this have been prevented with proper healthcare? If so, is it really a homicide?

Journalism...How does it farking work?


Yes, thank you article for providing absolutly no information.
 
2011-11-15 12:17:09 AM

Sim Tree: vinnybang: "A Kent woman died last week from injuries suffered during a 1996 shooting, and her death was declared a homicide on Monday."

...And that is the extent of the article. Why did she die from a 15+ year old injury? Could this have been prevented with proper healthcare? If so, is it really a homicide?

Journalism...How does it farking work?

Yes, thank you article for providing absolutly no information.


You think that's bad?

There's a headstone near my house in America. It has a man's name (12,000 miles and 10+ years away now, don't ask cause I don't know)

BORNAug18ZZ
SHOT Dec 18XX
Died Jan 18XX+1
 
2011-11-15 12:17:10 AM

BackAssward: vinnybang: "A Kent woman died last week from injuries suffered during a 1996 shooting, and her death was declared a homicide on Monday."

...And that is the extent of the article. Why did she die from a 15+ year old injury? Could this have been prevented with proper healthcare? If so, is it really a homicide?

Journalism...How does it farking work?

And... if the perpetrator was already convicted of shooting her, doesn't it make it a moot point? How do they know it was a 15 year old gun shot wound that killed her? If my mother's pinky gets shot of, then she dies 15 years later, can I sue the shooter?


All this comes down to is an issue of scale. Say a person is illegally shot and goes into a coma. If that person wakes up a month later you end up with a charge of attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, etc. But if that person never comes out of the coma or dies a month later, the charges become murder/manslaughter or what have you. If the cause of death can be tied to the action of another person and there is no statute of limitations on murder/manslaughter then here comes a murder charge.

Now, if your mother's pinky was shot off by a bullet infected with AIDS and she died of AIDS complications 15 years later, then I would think that yes you could sue the shooter for wrongful death (provided you are next of kin).

/IANAL
 
2011-11-15 12:24:19 AM
FTFA:

The King County Medical Examiner's Office said Lakessha LaShawn Johnson, 34, died Nov. 8 from injuries suffered from a much-earlier shooting.



White chick, eh?
 
2011-11-15 12:25:56 AM

doglover: You think that's bad?

There's a headstone near my house in America. It has a man's name (12,000 miles and 10+ years away now, don't ask cause I don't know)

BORNAug18ZZ
SHOT Dec 18XX
Died Jan 18XX+1



Thanks for narrowing it down.
 
2011-11-15 12:40:33 AM

The_Sponge: doglover: You think that's bad?

There's a headstone near my house in America. It has a man's name (12,000 miles and 10+ years away now, don't ask cause I don't know)

BORNAug18ZZ
SHOT Dec 18XX
Died Jan 18XX+1


Thanks for narrowing it down.


Now that I know approximately where he lives I'm going to go stalk him and sex him up real good.
 
2011-11-15 12:41:17 AM

miss diminutive: Reminds me of that crappy Bond villain who had a bullet in his brain and it made him feel no pain. The plot had something to do with a submarine and some pipeline, I honestly can't be bothered to look it up. I think Denise Richards was some kind of physicist...


I thought Christmas only comes once a year.
 
2011-11-15 12:46:32 AM

Ghastly: Now that I know approximately where he lives I'm going to go stalk him and sex him up real good.


You are about the only man who'd I'd consider taking that kind of guff from. You got a nice ass and a sense of humor.

If you're ever in Tokyo, beer's on me.
 
2011-11-15 12:49:04 AM
How the hell does this even work? Lead poisoning?
 
2011-11-15 01:53:12 AM

doglover: Ghastly: Now that I know approximately where he lives I'm going to go stalk him and sex him up real good.

You are about the only man who'd I'd consider taking that kind of guff from. You got a nice ass and a sense of humor.

If you're ever in Tokyo, beer's on me.


Woohoo!
 
2011-11-15 03:43:13 AM

vinnybang: If so, is it really a homicide?


Not only is it classified as a homicide. It will go on the reports as a gun related homicide for this year, not the year that the actual shooting took place.

It's how they can pad the statistics.

There was an article a while back about a couple who suffered injuries in a traffic accident in the 1960's who died as a result of the those injuries this year and their death was being listed as a traffic fatality for this year. So a fifty year old traffic accident is being put on the books as having happened this year.

Ain't statistics fun when you control the data set?
 
2011-11-15 06:46:28 AM
Not uncommon, my grandfather's patrol partner was killed with a sgt & a 3rd cop was injured after bankrobbers got the jump on them. The 3rd guy went on disability since he sustained kidney damage, & after 22 years he asked them to stop treatment because it was taking its toll on him. When he died it was filed under killed in the line of duty
 
2011-11-15 06:51:53 AM
What a bad way to go. I had a friend growing up who overdosed on heroin when he was 17 years old in 1994. He went into a coma, was a complete vegetable until he died from a seizure 3 years ago. His seizures were a result of the complications that arised from the overdose. It was a horrible situation.
 
2011-11-15 06:53:25 AM
lh4.ggpht.com

Meh.
 
2011-11-15 06:59:35 AM
Good... the slow blade penetrates the shield
 
2011-11-15 07:03:36 AM

Public Savant: Good... the slow blade penetrates the shield


+1 for the Dune reference. I totally read that in Patrick Stewart's voice.
 
2011-11-15 07:28:03 AM
My uncle was shot in 1986. Died last year after a staph infection in a bedsore that was a result from being in a wheelchair (same way Christopher Reeve died, basically). Without the gunshot, he couldn't have died this way, so maybe same idea?

/Maybe not, but would love to put the jackass who shot him back in prison.
//RIP
 
2011-11-15 07:33:30 AM

miss diminutive: Reminds me of that crappy Bond villain who had a bullet in his brain and it made him feel no pain. The plot had something to do with a submarine and some pipeline, I honestly can't be bothered to look it up. I think Denise Richards was some kind of physicist...



I can be bothered to look it up. I Googled "Denise Richards naked" and came up with all kinds of results. No idea about any movie, though.

/I'll be in my bunk
 
2011-11-15 07:33:34 AM
That's a really slow bullet.
 
2011-11-15 07:34:12 AM
Worst. Ammo. Ever.
 
2011-11-15 07:43:48 AM
Got shot in '98. I have 2 more years.
 
2011-11-15 07:46:08 AM
She probably should have had that checked out at some point...
 
2011-11-15 07:49:02 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: Fractured did it.


Leaving satisfied. Great movie
 
2011-11-15 07:50:47 AM
www.cartoonpics.tk

/hot as lasanga plate
 
2011-11-15 07:51:03 AM
Wow, that's almost long enough to give a death speech in your standard Western.
 
2011-11-15 07:56:52 AM

BackAssward: vinnybang: "A Kent woman died last week from injuries suffered during a 1996 shooting, and her death was declared a homicide on Monday."

...And that is the extent of the article. Why did she die from a 15+ year old injury? Could this have been prevented with proper healthcare? If so, is it really a homicide?

Journalism...How does it farking work?

And... if the perpetrator was already convicted of shooting her, doesn't it make it a moot point? How do they know it was a 15 year old gun shot wound that killed her? If my mother's pinky gets shot of, then she dies 15 years later, can I sue the shooter?


Even if they weren't convicted of shooting her originally, murder charges should be precluded. There was a darn good reason for the old "Year and a day" rule. Maybe we need to lengthen the time a bit to account for modern medical advances, like California did with their "Three years and a day" rule, but it seems to me that 15 years is excessive.
 
2011-11-15 07:57:00 AM
Now that's some bad lagg
 
2011-11-15 08:08:43 AM

BackAssward: vinnybang: "A Kent woman died last week from injuries suffered during a 1996 shooting, and her death was declared a homicide on Monday."

...And that is the extent of the article. Why did she die from a 15+ year old injury? Could this have been prevented with proper healthcare? If so, is it really a homicide?

Journalism...How does it farking work?

And... if the perpetrator was already convicted of shooting her, doesn't it make it a moot point? How do they know it was a 15 year old gun shot wound that killed her? If my mother's pinky gets shot of, then she dies 15 years later, can I sue the shooter?


I would imagine the original injury was devastating (such as the paralysis case mentioned earlier). The events leading to the death would not have happened had she not been shot.

There was a big case several years ago where a cop that had been shot in an altercation died 30 some years after due to complications directly related to the shooting. Yes, they did find the guy and tried him for the homicide (he had already served 15 years for the original assault).
 
2011-11-15 08:23:48 AM

BurnShrike: That's a really slow bullet.


media.giantbomb.com

Do you want it done fast, or do you want it done right?


/The bullet is enormous! There is no escape!
 
2011-11-15 08:35:14 AM

Another Government Employee: BackAssward: vinnybang: "A Kent woman died last week from injuries suffered during a 1996 shooting, and her death was declared a homicide on Monday."

...And that is the extent of the article. Why did she die from a 15+ year old injury? Could this have been prevented with proper healthcare? If so, is it really a homicide?

Journalism...How does it farking work?

And... if the perpetrator was already convicted of shooting her, doesn't it make it a moot point? How do they know it was a 15 year old gun shot wound that killed her? If my mother's pinky gets shot of, then she dies 15 years later, can I sue the shooter?

I would imagine the original injury was devastating (such as the paralysis case mentioned earlier). The events leading to the death would not have happened had she not been shot.

There was a big case several years ago where a cop that had been shot in an altercation died 30 some years after due to complications directly related to the shooting. Yes, they did find the guy and tried him for the homicide (he had already served 15 years for the original assault).


And if I were on that jury, I'd have voted not guilty. The guy was already tried, convicted, and served the sentence for the underlying offense.

Charging him with murder may not violate the technical legal definition of double jeopardy, but it sure as Hell violates the spirit of the law.

Besides which, as more and more time passes, the odds of someone dying from some other reason increase to the point where statistically, it becomes moot as to why the guy died. In other words, If you shoot a 40 year old cop, and he dies due to complications from the bullet wound 30 years later, well, the guy was *70*. People that old die all the farkin' time.

I'd like to see implementation of an updated "year and a day" rule. Maybe make it 5 years and a day, or perhaps 10 years and a day, but cap the time from an offense like a shooting or stabbing to when it becomes a chargeable as murder or manslaughter in the event of their death. You have to set some sort of limit. After all, what if some kid shoots another when they are both 20 years old, and the shooter gets convicted of assault with a deadly weapon, does his time, gets out, and does something with his life, then 30 or 40 years later the other guy dies from "complications" due to the shooting, and he gets charged with murder.

Is justice really served at that point, or does it just satisfy some misguided and animalistic need for revenge?
 
2011-11-15 08:42:14 AM
My grandmother had an operation on her foot and they found a piece of a sewing needle. Nobody has any idea how long it was there.
 
2011-11-15 08:55:57 AM

vinnybang: "A Kent woman died last week from injuries suffered during a 1996 shooting, and her death was declared a homicide on Monday."

...And that is the extent of the article. Why did she die from a 15+ year old injury? Could this have been prevented with proper healthcare? If so, is it really a homicide?

Journalism...How does it farking work?


No. An omission to receive medical care is not a superseding cause. There is no time frame for causation, but the longer the time frame, the more likely it is that some new event caused or contributed to the death.

BackAssward: And... if the perpetrator was already convicted of shooting her, doesn't it make it a moot point? How do they know it was a 15 year old gun shot wound that killed her? If my mother's pinky gets shot of, then she dies 15 years later, can I sue the shooter?

If he was charged with assault, now he can be charged with homicide. So no. And it's up to the prosecutor to prove the gunshot wound killed her, and disprove the defense theories of anything else that might have killed her.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-11-15 09:30:24 AM
I'd like to see implementation of an updated "year and a day" rule.

I want strict application of the rule, or even less time. The punishment should not depend on distant consequences of the act. On the other hand, if the victim is in a persistent vegetative state that should be counted as almost as bad as killing, not simple battery.
 
2011-11-15 09:31:52 AM

BackAssward: And... if the perpetrator was already convicted of shooting her, doesn't it make it a moot point?


I've seen enough episodes of Law and Order to know that they will charge the perp with murder, since it's a new crime.

/GED in LA Law, BS in L&O
 
2011-11-15 09:43:39 AM

ZAZ: I'd like to see implementation of an updated "year and a day" rule.

I want strict application of the rule, or even less time. The punishment should not depend on distant consequences of the act. On the other hand, if the victim is in a persistent vegetative state that should be counted as almost as bad as killing, not simple battery.


I'm OK with that.
 
2011-11-15 09:47:21 AM

JBangworthy: If he was charged with assault, now he can be charged with homicide. So no. And it's up to the prosecutor to prove the gunshot wound killed her, and disprove the defense theories of anything else that might have killed her.


While I am not defending the perpetrator, and am not a legal professional... if he was charged and convicted of an act (the shooting), I would have thought double-jeopardy would come into effect.

E.g. the act itself was already tried in court. Wouldn't trying it again, be double-jeopardy? Especially after so many years.

Still not defending the guy... but lets say one of us causes a car accident and cripples someone. It would be involuntary assault (or something, not a law guy), we have a trial and go to jail for a time. If then years later, the person (not in a coma) dies 15 years later of future complications (perhaps just bad medical care)... we can then again be charged with involuntary manslaughter? After already having served time for that act?

That seems wrong to me in principal.
 
2011-11-15 09:51:29 AM
The article doesn't given enough information either way,
but when you injure someone long term, and they later die from it, it is legally your fault.

If she was on a ventilator and her power was out and died, still legally your fault, because you put her in that predicament. Yes they will amend charges 15 years later.

Don't you farkers watch tv?
 
2011-11-15 09:56:43 AM
A person could get shot and end up getting an infection or nerve damage while hospitalized, then eventually develop chronic disease afterward, especially if the bullet pierces the gut and fecal matter gets in the abdominal cavity.
 
2011-11-15 09:56:48 AM

BackAssward: E.g. the act itself was already tried in court. Wouldn't trying it again, be double-jeopardy? Especially after so many years.


There is no statute of limitations on murder.

And double-jeopardy is based on the charge. Assault and murder are separate. Manslaughter and murder are in the same class
 
2011-11-15 10:00:40 AM
Typically depends on state law, but in my experience in Texas it has to do with the determination (at autopsy, typically) that the cause of death was directly related to the act, in this case a gunshot...

So as other people have mentioned, if she was paralyzed due to a gunshot and then developed bed sores or other complications later and died as a result of infection, since none of that would've happened had she not been shot. There are also cases of delayed "bullet embolus" where a bullet or bullet fragment that has been retained in the body slowly migrates into the circulation or becomes dislodged and winds up causing a stroke or pulmonary embolus or other fatal embolic event.

Most commonly, i think this comes into play with people that are paralyzed or in a PVS (vegetative state) who die years later from complications related to their initial injury.
 
2011-11-15 10:11:50 AM
Something similar happened to my step-dad's sister.

An angry ex-boyfriend or ex-husband shot her point-blank in her right eye. Miraculously she didn't die, but the doctors said it was too risky to try and remove the bullet from her brain (this was 30-40 years ago, mind you). Other than losing her eye, she lived a normal life for a good 20 years years until the bullet dislodged and caused massive bleeding in her brain that ultimately killed her.

I was young when she passed, so I don't know the specifics about the whole ordeal, but it seems to me that they charged the guy with murder after she died.

/Not a CSB. :(
//Knew her briefly but loved her like she was a flesh and blood aunt.
 
2011-11-15 10:26:57 AM

Ghastly: Now that I know approximately where he lives I'm going to go stalk him and sex him up real good.



I LOL'd.
 
2011-11-15 11:09:30 AM

Smoking GNU: Now that's some bad lagg


Nothing worse than running around a corner to the sound of gunfire, and thinking to yourself, "Whew! Made it..."

HEADSHOT
 
2011-11-15 11:44:05 AM

HAMMERTOE: Smoking GNU: Now that's some bad lagg

Nothing worse than running around a corner to the sound of gunfire, and thinking to yourself, "Whew! Made it..."

HEADSHOT


i946.photobucket.com

Ever if there isn't any lag, it might not help you...
 
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