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2011-11-14 06:34:45 PM
Are you sure the Russians invented the ICBM? I thought that was you guys. You and your second-hand Nazis, who were so much better than the Russian second-hand Nazis.
 
2011-11-14 06:58:05 PM
So much for that whole " Right to face your accuser" thing.
 
2011-11-14 07:09:27 PM
Russians didn't invent the ICBM
 
2011-11-14 07:14:51 PM
violentsalvation: Russians didn't invent the ICBM

I believe that honor goes to the US, via the Germans and some Paperclips
 
2011-11-14 07:21:02 PM
The ICBM was totally our thing, man. The Soviets just liked to parade them around the streets a lot more.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-11-14 07:29:59 PM
Wikipedia says the R-7 was the world's first ICBM. Would Wikipedia lie to you?
 
2011-11-14 07:46:45 PM
ZAZ: Wikipedia says the R-7 was the world's first ICBM. Would Wikipedia lie to you?

The Atlas D Beat out the R-7 by about 6 months. Assuming we are limiting discussion to weaponized ICBM's of course.
 
2011-11-14 07:50:19 PM
sinschild: ZAZ: Wikipedia says the R-7 was the world's first ICBM. Would Wikipedia lie to you?

The Atlas D Beat out the R-7 by about 6 months. Assuming we are limiting discussion to weaponized ICBM's of course.


We're discussing the furious beating off that is being done in every city hall and police station across the country when they realize there is a weaponized revenue collection system out there.
 
2011-11-14 07:59:54 PM
Cubansaltyballs: sinschild: ZAZ: Wikipedia says the R-7 was the world's first ICBM. Would Wikipedia lie to you?

The Atlas D Beat out the R-7 by about 6 months. Assuming we are limiting discussion to weaponized ICBM's of course.

We're discussing the furious beating off that is being done in every city hall and police station across the country when they realize there is a weaponized revenue collection system out there.


All it would take is three months in which all citizens obey traffic and parking laws to avoid violations. City Hall would be broke and forced to begin lay-offs.
 
2011-11-14 08:02:09 PM
Cubansaltyballs: sinschild: ZAZ: Wikipedia says the R-7 was the world's first ICBM. Would Wikipedia lie to you?

The Atlas D Beat out the R-7 by about 6 months. Assuming we are limiting discussion to weaponized ICBM's of course.

We're discussing the furious beating off that is being done in every city hall and police station across the country when they realize there is a weaponized revenue collection system out there.


Thread derail aside, I consider red light and speeding cameras to be over the line. The are not there to enforce the law, they are there to pad the pocketbooks. I would love to be sitting on a jury for someone on trial for perforating them at range.
 
2011-11-14 08:02:48 PM
lostcat: All it would take is three months in which all citizens obey traffic and parking laws to avoid violations. City Hall would be broke and forced to begin lay-offs.

Or....

Rocks and cans of spray paint.

Also, this could prove an excellent use for potato guns.
 
2011-11-14 08:04:02 PM
ZAZ: Wikipedia says the R-7 was the world's first ICBM. Would Wikipedia lie to you?

First successful flight of the R-7 beats the Atlas flight.
 
2011-11-14 08:04:38 PM
GAT_00: ZAZ: Wikipedia says the R-7 was the world's first ICBM. Would Wikipedia lie to you?

First successful flight of the R-7 beats the Atlas flight.


Also, it was operational first.
 
2011-11-14 08:06:53 PM
sinschild: I would love to be sitting on a jury for someone on trial for perforating them at range.

I always wonder why we don't hear more about them getting shot. It has to be happening, right?
 
2011-11-14 08:10:42 PM
sinschild: Cubansaltyballs: sinschild:
Thread derail aside, I consider red light and speeding cameras to be over the line. The are not there to enforce the law, they are there to pad the pocketbooks. I would love to be sitting on a jury for someone on trial for perforating them at range.


What thread derail? This is about the Russians weaponizing a money-grabbing scheme for law enforcement.
 
2011-11-14 08:12:33 PM
violentsalvation: sinschild: I would love to be sitting on a jury for someone on trial for perforating them at range.

I always wonder why we don't hear more about them getting shot. It has to be happening, right?


I would imagine it does, but it does not get reported when people shoot street signs either. Vandalism seldom makes the news.

If it became a systematic thing, I am certain it would be much higher profile. Perhaps if someone took the database from one of those speed camera/red light camera websites and assigned a point value to each one for destruction?

Theoretical of course, I would *never* advocate violence and an agent of social change.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-11-14 08:12:58 PM
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-11-14 08:15:04 PM
violentsalvation

www.thenewspaper.com has a roundup of the week's media-reported vandalism of speed cameras every Sunday.
 
2011-11-14 08:18:19 PM
ZAZ: sinschild

Wikipedia says "Atlas became operational as an ICBM in October 1959" and The first [R-7] strategic-missile unit became operational on 9 February 1959. Do you have a better source?


Actually I was incorrect, the R-7 had its first successful launch in August of 1957. You were correct.
 
2011-11-14 08:22:50 PM
ZAZ: violentsalvation

www.thenewspaper.com has a roundup of the week's media-reported vandalism of speed cameras every Sunday.


Awesome.

ZAZ: sinschild

Wikipedia says "Atlas became operational as an ICBM in October 1959" and The first [R-7] strategic-missile unit became operational on 9 February 1959. Do you have a better source?


I still don't consider the ICBM to have been invented by Russia. The Germans were the ones developing it and they were coming close with the A9/A10. The Russians did win the race to get theirs in the air first. But I think we are just arguing semantics.
 
2011-11-14 08:30:14 PM
violentsalvation: I still don't consider the ICBM to have been invented by Russia. The Germans were the ones developing it and they were coming close with the A9/A10. The Russians did win the race to get theirs in the air first. But I think we are just arguing semantics.

It's been proven the Russians were anti-semantic.
 
2011-11-14 08:30:50 PM
brantgoose: Are you sure the Russians invented the ICBM? I thought that was you guys. You and your second-hand Nazis, who were so much better than the Russian second-hand Nazis.


Done in one.

i1137.photobucket.com
 
2011-11-14 08:32:53 PM
violentsalvation: ZAZ: violentsalvation

www.thenewspaper.com has a roundup of the week's media-reported vandalism of speed cameras every Sunday.

Awesome.

ZAZ: sinschild

Wikipedia says "Atlas became operational as an ICBM in October 1959" and The first [R-7] strategic-missile unit became operational on 9 February 1959. Do you have a better source?

I still don't consider the ICBM to have been invented by Russia. The Germans were the ones developing it and they were coming close with the A9/A10. The Russians did win the race to get theirs in the air first. But I think we are just arguing semantics.


Very true, I think we both agree that without Wernher Von Braun, both countries would have taken many years longer to get to a working missile.

Perhaps we could combine the derail with the OP's subject and advocate nuking them from orbit?
 
2011-11-14 08:41:33 PM
sinschild: Perhaps we could combine the derail with the OP's subject and advocate nuking them from orbit?

Orbit is a bit much.

i798.photobucket.com
 
2011-11-14 08:44:11 PM
On the highway speed limits mean jack shiat to me. I'm an excellent driver who can track what's going on around me better than Skynet's latest model. I've never been hit by a speed camera and would be royally pissed if these started showing up.
 
2011-11-14 08:51:52 PM
violentsalvation: sinschild: Perhaps we could combine the derail with the OP's subject and advocate nuking them from orbit?

Orbit is a bit much.

[i798.photobucket.com image 353x240]


Davy Crockett strikes again. Although that does not appear to be a recoiless launcher. Perhaps it is the 280mm experimental they tried? Great photo though.
 
2011-11-14 09:02:43 PM
sinschild: violentsalvation: sinschild: Perhaps we could combine the derail with the OP's subject and advocate nuking them from orbit?

Orbit is a bit much.

[i798.photobucket.com image 353x240]

Davy Crockett strikes again. Although that does not appear to be a recoiless launcher. Perhaps it is the 280mm experimental they tried? Great photo though.


M65 atomic cannon (new window) The youtube videos of it are awesome. Operation Upshot-Knothole sounds dirty.
 
2011-11-14 09:48:52 PM
ultraholland: On the highway speed limits mean jack shiat to me. I'm an excellent driver who can track what's going on around me better than Skynet's latest model. I've never been hit by a speed camera and would be royally pissed if these started showing up.

You're going too fast. slow down.
 
2011-11-14 10:05:15 PM
violentsalvation: Russians didn't invent the ICBM


No, but they're experts on the icy BM.


/Russian outhouses are cold
 
2011-11-14 10:14:11 PM
Awesome, I drive about 5 over the limit and usher the bunnies through.
/Police dogs love to chase the bunnies
 
2011-11-14 10:35:55 PM
sinschild: So much for that whole " Right to face your accuser" thing.

OK, this is the second thread today where I've seen somebody make this argument, and I'm still not buying it. I'd like to know... what do you think should happen if somebody breaks into a warehouse and robs the place while nobody's there, but gets caught on the security camera? They should just walk, because a cop wasn't there to catch them in the act?

Assuming you'll say they shouldn't... what makes this any different than that? Camera catches you breaking the law, cop reviews it, cop sends you a ticket.
 
2011-11-14 10:51:02 PM
serial_crusher: sinschild: So much for that whole " Right to face your accuser" thing.

OK, this is the second thread today where I've seen somebody make this argument, and I'm still not buying it. I'd like to know... what do you think should happen if somebody breaks into a warehouse and robs the place while nobody's there, but gets caught on the security camera? They should just walk, because a cop wasn't there to catch them in the act?

Assuming you'll say they shouldn't... what makes this any different than that? Camera catches you breaking the law, cop reviews it, cop sends you a ticket.


Are you putting cameras in the warehouse simply to boost your revenue? That wouldn't work would it? Comparison does not fit.
 
2011-11-14 10:56:09 PM
violentsalvation: Are you putting cameras in the warehouse simply to boost your revenue? That wouldn't work would it? Comparison does not fit.

Well, if I had reason to believe that people were frequently robbing the place, yes I'd look to recuperate some of those losses, and I guess you could choose to interpret that as "boosting revenue".

But that's aside the point. Saying it's a money grab is a separate argument from saying that a camera somehow stops people from facing their accusers.
 
2011-11-14 10:57:20 PM

"Cordon works automatically without human will," says Ilya Barsky from Simicon. "The main feature is to provide an image of the car and the speed of the car at very high accuracy. There is no other photo-capture system that measures plus or minus one MPH."


I wonder how you'd go about scrambling something like this....maybe reflective tape to blur the camera?
 
2011-11-14 11:24:17 PM
I like how it's the size of a toaster over
 
2011-11-14 11:24:38 PM
lostcat: All it would take is three months in which all citizens obey traffic and parking laws to avoid violations. City Hall would be broke and forced to begin lay-offs.

Yeah, but having to obey traffic and parking laws violates my rights somehow.
 
2011-11-14 11:24:59 PM
serial_crusher: sinschild: So much for that whole " Right to face your accuser" thing.

OK, this is the second thread today where I've seen somebody make this argument, and I'm still not buying it. I'd like to know... what do you think should happen if somebody breaks into a warehouse and robs the place while nobody's there, but gets caught on the security camera? They should just walk, because a cop wasn't there to catch them in the act?

Assuming you'll say they shouldn't... what makes this any different than that? Camera catches you breaking the law, cop reviews it, cop sends you a ticket.


In that case, the camera is not the accuser, it is evidence. A police officer would make determination through all of the facts of the case as to whether you should be charged. In the case of the speed/red light cameras, software makes the determination of guilt.

Apples/Oranges.
 
2011-11-14 11:25:54 PM
Well, if the russians came up with it first, it's a way to kill someone, a bad tattoo, a monitoring device, or a degrading sex toy. *checks* Yep.
 
2011-11-14 11:26:32 PM
serial_crusher: violentsalvation: Are you putting cameras in the warehouse simply to boost your revenue? That wouldn't work would it? Comparison does not fit.

Well, if I had reason to believe that people were frequently robbing the place, yes I'd look to recuperate some of those losses, and I guess you could choose to interpret that as "boosting revenue".

But that's aside the point. Saying it's a money grab is a separate argument from saying that a camera somehow stops people from facing their accusers.


You still go to court for robbery, and can face your accuser then. That's what right to face your accuser means. Many places (yeah, yeah, citation needed), don't even allow you to contest the speeding ticket.
 
2011-11-14 11:30:07 PM
This can be easily defeated in the US:

Ahem, I will demonstrate:

"Don't vote for this guy! He wants to put in commu-ruskie inventions like simicons, stealing away your rights for the reds! Any vote for simicon is a vote of your freedom away!"
 
2011-11-14 11:31:13 PM
images.icanhascheezburger.com

/time to send America's expert on Russia on a new mission!
 
2011-11-14 11:31:40 PM
serial_crusher: Well, if I had reason to believe that people were frequently robbing the place, yes I'd look to recuperate some of those losses, and I guess you could choose to interpret that as "boosting revenue".

It does more than take pictures, it also records your speed. If there were a malfunction and you incorrectly got a ticket you'd have to prove that there was a problem with the camera. So its a court battle of you vs proprietary software. They had something similar with radar guns in Florida, I think, and the manufacturer did their best to keep the software from entering evidence.
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Do these things use radar to assess speed? Would a radar detector work on them?
 
2011-11-14 11:32:10 PM
Meh.

Just install a tamper-evident black box in every car.

Much simpler.

And much more effective.
 
2011-11-14 11:32:41 PM
serial_crusher: Well, if I had reason to believe that people were frequently robbing the place, yes I'd look to recuperate some of those losses, and I guess you could choose to interpret that as "boosting revenue".

Let me ask you something:

What do you think would happen to society if people were paid for Youtube hits?
 
2011-11-14 11:32:56 PM
serial_crusher: Assuming you'll say they shouldn't... what makes this any different than that? Camera catches you breaking the law, cop reviews it, cop sends you a ticket

Except thats not how it works.

In actuality it works more like this

Camera catches you breaking the law, third party company from another state reviews it, third party company from another state sends you a ticket.

If this is okay, then why cant i take snapshots of people tailgating me, send them a ticket, and then pocket %10? I could easily make over $100 on my morning commute.
 
2011-11-14 11:33:16 PM
Optical recognition of license plates?

Just drop those things and go with RFID already.
 
2011-11-14 11:33:45 PM
ultraholland: I'm an excellent driver who can track what's going on around me better than Skynet's latest model.

Regardless of whether or not you're being serious, this is the problem. Everyone thinks they are an above-average driver. That is mathematically impossible, so it becomes obvious that there are many, many people out there who are seriously overestimating their abilities.

Slow down.
 
2011-11-14 11:34:37 PM
"This takes photos on a continuous basis, so it can handle whatever traffic comes by and issue hundreds or even thousands of tickets [per hour]," says Steven Fiter, the CEO of Peak Gain Systems.

Plus, each tickets has four progressively smaller tickets inside!
 
2011-11-14 11:35:28 PM
I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: Plus, each tickets has four progressively smaller tickets inside!

Ha!
 
2011-11-14 11:36:18 PM
Weaver95: "Cordon works automatically without human will," says Ilya Barsky from Simicon. "The main feature is to provide an image of the car and the speed of the car at very high accuracy. There is no other photo-capture system that measures plus or minus one MPH."

I wonder how you'd go about scrambling something like this....maybe reflective tape to blur the camera?


How about a very bright infra red light mounted on your bumper?
 
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