I watched the entire first season of that show, mostly because of Guppy from Bleak House.

What crap.

What embarrassing crap.

Torchwood was Davies attempt at "adult scifi" It turned out to be SyFy with cursing and gay sex.

WTF Indeed: Torchwood was Davies attempt at "adult scifi" It turned out to be SyFy with cursing and gay sex.

I didn't even care about all of the gay activities, except that it felt so heavy handed. "Look! LOOK! Our main character is bi-sexual!! This show is so progressive!"

/Actually, I lied. I don't enjoy watching guys kiss.

lostcat: I didn't even care about all of the gay activities, except that it felt so heavy handed. "Look! LOOK! Our main character is bi-sexual!! This show is so progressive!"

I wouldn't say heavy-handed, I would say that was all the character was. The show always seemed like it was written to be a couples drama that happen to have aliens. They were going after the female audience, but the vast amount of scifi fans are guys and they don't want to watch a couples drama.

Yeah, Miracle Day sucked donkey cock. It tried, but between the shiatty pacing, characters I didn't care about, the switching of Jack from omnisexual to all gay all the time, the "Hey we're progressive here's some in your face gay sex!", the killing off of the only interesting character in the show, the pointless pedo murderer, and the lack of resolution (remember the one person from that mysterious organization wasn't killed or found), it just plain sucked.

I'm glad RTD won't be bringing it back to suck.

When Torchwood: Miracle Day aired, there was news it wasn't coming back... So, nothing has changed. Yay!

RTD does an excellent job burning his own creations to the ground. I guess we should be glad he didn't get a chance to destroy Doctor Who while he controlled it.

/still pissed at him for the end of Queer As Folk.

I'm not sure what happened to "Miracle Day." I was on board with Captain Jack, Bill Pullman being creepy, that redhead from 6 feet under, everyone quits dying and by the 3rd episode I'm bored shiatless.

Everything you hate about modern Doctor Who? Pretty much solely RTD's fault.

Thank goodness for Moffat, or Doctor Who would have been cancelled again in 2005.

The show went off the rails after the second season. Killing Owen made sense, but killing Tosh at the same time was bullshiat. A third season with Martha replacing Owen as the medical officer, Tosh still alive and possible guest appearances from Mickey could have been good.

Also, the show really lost something when it abandoned Cardiff as its primary setting. I can appreciate the ambition that went into Children of Earth and Miracle Day, but I just don't think they worked with what was already established.

Yeah that last season was pretty awful. As in impossible to enjoy. I honestly felt bad for the actors and actresses.

I liked Torchwood. Especially the episode with the missing boy. Thought it was great, but the thing I hated most about Miracle Day is it was way too Americanized.

What is this show that all farkers praise? Never heard of it, never googled it.

Why the hate on the last season? It introduced a big concept - what happens if the healthcare system suddenly becomes completely overwhelmed and collapses? What would societies reaction be if suddenly people stopped to die? Was the guy on death row really a sociopath (loved how that was revealed)? How would things progress? Would we really be able to comprehend and accept burning people "alive" and hope that their ashes aren't still conscious?

It's... amazing, as a concept. And I loved it.

This news sucks.

AkaranD: Why the hate on the last season? It introduced a big concept - what happens if the healthcare system suddenly becomes completely overwhelmed and collapses? What would societies reaction be if suddenly people stopped to die? Was the guy on death row really a sociopath (loved how that was revealed)? How would things progress? Would we really be able to comprehend and accept burning people "alive" and hope that their ashes aren't still conscious?

It's... amazing, as a concept. And I loved it.

This news sucks.

The concept wasn't the problem. It was the piss poor execution that made it suck.

Yeah... Torchwood. Let's make everyone in 2006 bisexual, despite the fact that heterosexuals make up 95+% of the population.

No one will notice.

That and the stories were weak. I tried, I really tried... but I powered through season 1 and could go no further.

Sarah Jane Adventures was another one where I really tried hard to like it, but it's just too kid-oriented and I couldn't regress enough to relax and enjoy it.

Unsung_Hero: Yeah... Torchwood. Let's make everyone in 2006 bisexual, despite the fact that heterosexuals make up 95+% of the population.

Maybe England is a bit gayer.

What am I saying? It's England! Of course it's a bit gayer.

I really thought Children of Earth was great - It was eerie, creepy and the 4-5-6 were hella creepy. That said, I watched Miracle Day. Besides the stupidly stereotypical Americans (the "I never listen to anyone, because I'm so awesome" CIA agent was old five minutes after Mekhi Pfeiffer hit the screen.) I think that it worked better when it didn't hesitate to go to the dark corners of the psyche (such as CoE did) ...

I liked Torchwood up through Children of Earth. I never got into Miracle Day because I wasn't about to buy Starz for it. Best thing was they weren't predictable with what would happen to the characters. Making Jack sacrifice his own grandson to save the world was one of the most powerful moments of SciFi I've ever watched. Of course, having 2 young blond sons of my own made it so much harder to watch.

d3: I liked Torchwood up through Children of Earth. I never got into Miracle Day because I wasn't about to buy Starz for it. Best thing was they weren't predictable with what would happen to the characters. Making Jack sacrifice his own grandson to save the world was one of the most powerful moments of SciFi I've ever watched. Of course, having 2 young blond sons of my own made it so much harder to watch.

Relax; you've mirrored your kids and losing one isn't a total failure. I recommend having another and going for RAID5, though.

Children of Earth was fantastic sci-fi, execute well and with confidence. Miracle Day is a fantastic premise, that dragged on three episodes too long. It lost the pace and claustrophobia of the first few episodes and then just trudged along.

Note: Traveling between Britain and America does not make for interested plot.

Torchwood is like Asimov's Foundation and Empire books - interesting concept, but too thin to carry for long. In Foundation, you had the prophet who planned out the next millennia and guided the people after his death via recorded messages. Fine! No matter what happens, you could always say 'It's all going according to plan...'

But that obviously gets old real fast. As did Barrowman's vague warnings about something bad was going to happen to Earth real soon, so the ' ends' justified Torchwood's 'means'.

Even Asimov dropped that and used The Mule to upend the whole boring predictability...

rickycal78: AkaranD: Why the hate on the last season? It introduced a big concept - what happens if the healthcare system suddenly becomes completely overwhelmed and collapses? What would societies reaction be if suddenly people stopped to die? Was the guy on death row really a sociopath (loved how that was revealed)? How would things progress? Would we really be able to comprehend and accept burning people "alive" and hope that their ashes aren't still conscious?

It's... amazing, as a concept. And I loved it.

This news sucks.

The concept wasn't the problem. It was the piss poor execution that made it suck.

It would have worked in its original 5 episode frame, but Starz wanted a 10 episode run, which stretched the concept, show, characters and all in between to far beyond breaking point. And that worked about as negatively as it could have.

So hopefully Barrowman is free now to do more Doctor Who appearances?

Loved him on Who, but got bored with Torchwood after about four episodes. Probably because I much prefer the roguish Jack to the angsty version.

OKcomputer79: What is this show that all farkers praise? Never heard of it, never googled it.

Let me guess: you don't even own a TV.

OKcomputer79: What is this show that all farkers praise? Never heard of it, never googled it.

On second thought, you should have just said "Who?"

I can't say enough good things about Children of Earth..

demonfaerie: Lanto

And who exactly is "Lanto?"

Miralcle Day was a fantastic idea executed terribly- the pacing was dreadful, and Jack is unkillable because he IS a Fixed Point in time- god!Rose made him so, it's not like a virus, and it's not based in his blood, it's in his entire being. I actually like the bit towards the end when Mr CIA revealed he'd transfused Jack's blood into himself to deliver it, but he should have stayed dead after it drained from him.

I really liked the character of Captain Jack, the omnisexual renegade time agent. I found I rather dislike Jack Harkness the gay CIA operative with blood-bourne (and transmittable) immortality.

I wouldn't mind seeing Captain Jack show up in Who again, but I'm not interested in seeing more of Agent Harkness

rynthetyn:

Plus, count me in as one of the people who are annoyed that he made Jack gay. It's like he totally forgot about Jack's "you people and your quaint little categories" attitude towards 21st century humans.

Oh gods, a thousand times THIS. He was supposed to be "omnisexual", as in, he'd partner with anyone - man, woman, both, alien, whatever...but along came Torchwood and Ianto and there went the "omnisexual" idea, replaced with the constant beating-over-the-head reminder of his love for other men.

I know John Barrowman is gay, and I have no problem with that whatsoever, but does that mean he didn't want to have any sexual interaction with women, even though they established Jack Harkness as every bit the ladies' man as he is the man's man? I mean, is that in his contract or something? I mean, they established him as someone who didn't go by any sexual labels, which was pretty impressive for Doctor Who and fitting for the message they were trying to send, but then that just gets dismissed entirely. It's a sad shame.

FunkOut: The 9th Doctor would have beaten up the 10th Doctor and stole his wallet.

I was originally going to post that Nine could probably take out any of the other incarnations we've seen so far, but then I remembered Three's Venusian Aikido, and thought that might be too much for him. Nine could probably defeat Three with pessimism, snark and irony, but for that matter Seven is the Batman of the Doctors, in that he always seems to have a plan tucked away for everything and is just barely holding back a ruthless sense of justice which could take out any of the others. While playing the spoons. And then he'd juggle his hat, umbrella and a bag of jelly babies while a ferret rummaged around in his trousers.