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(CBS Detroit)   It seems that retailers forgot one small thing about opening their stores at 10PM and Midnight on Thanksgiving: their employees want to spend time with their families on the holiday   (detroit.cbslocal.com ) divider line
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2011-11-14 08:07:20 PM  

factoryconnection: misanthropicsob: When I worked at the movie theater, we were open all holidays, and didn't get time and a half because we were exempt. Suck it up.

Salaried employees at a movie theater?

For the record, I've worked lots of holidays... duty in the military. I didn't mind, as I was single and the workload was nada other than observing weapons' turnovers and being ready to make a lot of phone calls if one of the sailors got in trouble in town. A far, far cry from working in retail during the holidays: this vet tips his hat to retail wage-slaves for that.

Best part: Watching "A Christmas Story" on TBS followed by "James Bond Marathon" on TNT
Worst part: my last Christmas duty day when the cable got shredded and we didn't have any good ETs on duty.


Yeah...no. Movie theaters are among a few special groups that don't have to pay holiday pay. Or, at least in Michigan that was true. AMC Theaters did not pay overtime when I was in HS (late '90s), and I would have liked the extra money.

When I first started we had after hours parties once in a while, but those stopped in the first year, after one party didn't happen because some idiot customer slashed the screen the night of the party.
 
2011-11-14 08:11:42 PM  

ski9600: . I spoke with the assistant manager, and told him how I was sick and wouldn't be coming in.


I hate how some people exect that the only illness that should keep you from work should need a doctors note.

I have the flu - I wouldnt be productive at work and im not paying 20 bucks and wasting 7 hours while feeling like crap just so i can prove im telling the truth. Im sick - Its not going to kill me but im not going to be any help at work.

Im not going to the doctors office just because i cant come in to work. There is a long way from too sick to come to work and sick enough to waste a doctors time.
 
2011-11-14 08:48:43 PM  
Good article. Now I know what stores won't be getting my business.

/better deals after Christmas anyway
 
2011-11-14 11:53:27 PM  
Dear Muslim and Jewish Americans, we don't care about your holidays; however do you mind working during ours?
 
2011-11-14 11:59:51 PM  
Somebody played the Movie Theater card... Yeah, lemme tell ya right now that if anybody needs a union. it's those people. You work for nothing, they work all holidays and you better believe that theaters make a lot of bank. They're charging $10.00+ a pop these days. That's double what they were when I was in High School. Has the pay rate doubled? Uh, yeah, right. Those kids need to get organized and get a piece of the pie.
 
2011-11-15 12:31:08 AM  
Meh, I get holiday pay for turkey day and the day after, and I'm off Th, Fr, & Sat. It's called paying your dues. I've worked many a holiday in my life. Just suck it up and do it.

/18 extra hours on the paycheck, w00t!
 
2011-11-15 01:00:04 AM  

jvowles: joepainter: I am going to start a petition to eliminate all employees that work for a major retailer who are shocked they must work odd hours and holidays during the one busy month a year.
If this type of employment doesn't work with your schedule, don't take the job. It sucks sometimes, but hat's how the world works.

/bah
//hum
///bug

...Or perhaps, just perhaps, we can require that retail adhere to the TINY number of federally mandated national holidays -- and the only stores allowed to be open are those that offer critical services, and they must pay at least double time.

The owners grumble about paying bare minimum wage, give out insulting raises to employees who actually demonstrate care and competence, slash the retail workforce every single year while extending hours and forbidding vacation, and then they treat themselves to big bonuses while their businesses suffer.

When I worked retail, it was in high school and college, and then after college to help pay the bills. I worked in a bookstore in a regional mall, and every year the mall would require the smaller retailers to match the hours the big anchor stores set up. So it was "9 am to 10pm" for weeks, and then "8am to 11pm" on Saturdays and "10am to 8pm" Sunday.

That is about 2 hrs per day M-F, plus 4 more hours on sat & sun. 18 more hours to cover for small retail shops is a MASSIVE hit on their employee hours budget, and they NEVER have any business during those extra hours, except maybe for a bit on sunday, or on the last saturday before christmas.

It certainly never covered the cost of remaining open, and it sure as hell didn't make up for the hit to employee morale -- much less the morale of the managers who had to pick up most of the extra hours without getting additional pay (on top the required 50 hr work weeks) just to make the schedule work at all.

Sears, Macy's, etc. would operate on a skeleton crew -- JCP actually had 6 people TOTAL working the sales floor during most of those extended hours, and one of the Sears managers told me that for the most part, it was a total loss for them, too, because with so few employees on the floor, shoplifting went up.

You conservative sh*theads who biatch so much about the loss of the american family --- you've pushed this mentality that says the lives of ordinary people are not even worth minimum wage, and then you complain that families dissolve? When every waking hour is spent by one class seeking profit and by the other being compelled to work for profit that doesn't bring much benefit to them? I got news for you -- it is YOUR GREED that have smashed all tradition, all family time, and any hope of improvement.

You're not worshipping god -- you're worshipping Ayn Rand, an atheist objectivist whose explicit philosophy was about pushing personal selfish satisfaction and happiness above that of all others. it's fundamentally contrary to EVERYTHING positive about the book you CLAIM to follow, or the express teachings of that nice jewish rabbi who got nailed to a tree after he kicked the asses of greedy shopkeepers and money-lenders who'd corrupted the church, and suggested that we were supposed to put others' needs before our own.


It's called free enterprise. But clearly we need more government control over what business hours each individual business can be open.

That was quite the rant though.
 
2011-11-15 08:33:50 AM  
As someone who has worked in Financial IT for almost 2 decades, this is just pfffft.

Get over it. The world moves on, the world still churns.

Think of it this way for retailers: Here is a day that a huge portion of the population actually has time to go shopping because most of them have the day off!

People need to get over themselves, the world doesn't stop because Americans want to eat Turkey with their families.....

Bunch of whiners! Get off my lawn!
 
2011-11-15 11:07:48 AM  

jest788: As someone who has worked in Financial IT for almost 2 decades, this is just pfffft.


Did your company ever ask you to work the day after Thanksgiving for free?

Mine is. I work for a retailer and they always ask people to volunteer for the day after Thanksgiving. I did it a few times when I first started here. Not anymore.
 
2011-11-15 12:18:17 PM  

Lando Lincoln: jest788: As someone who has worked in Financial IT for almost 2 decades, this is just pfffft.

Did your company ever ask you to work the day after Thanksgiving for free?

Mine is. I work for a retailer and they always ask people to volunteer for the day after Thanksgiving. I did it a few times when I first started here. Not anymore.


Common sense tells me that they are not asking you to work for free. They are asking for people to work shifts voluntarily. If no one wants to work that day then they will assign you to work. They would rather let the people that want to work that day come in rather than schedule someone who would rather have the day off. Unless you live in some alternate universe, they still plan to pay you.
 
2011-11-15 12:23:33 PM  

loaba: Somebody played the Movie Theater card... Yeah, lemme tell ya right now that if anybody needs a union. it's those people. You work for nothing, they work all holidays and you better believe that theaters make a lot of bank. They're charging $10.00+ a pop these days. That's double what they were when I was in High School. Has the pay rate doubled? Uh, yeah, right. Those kids need to get organized and get a piece of the pie.


Last I checked all pay was minimum wage, unless you were a projectionist or a manager. You're so right though. Movie Theater sucks more than retail, and we got less benefits...except the free movies and popcorn/pops (bring your own containers!) perks. They do need a union. I remember one girl who was absolutely crushed by the job. She was an attractive thin girl who made supervisor then manager. Went off to college, but still worked as a manager. I went off to college, and came back a few years latr. She had gained like 100 pounds and stopped being her chipper but cynical self, started becoming a mean biatch, and really just lost herself. It was sadly soul crushing.

So, retail workers, you chose your lot. Not that I will be shopping on TG. But, I missed like 4 TGs and 4 XMases because I was working at a movie theater.
 
2011-11-15 12:25:30 PM  
This just in: retailers are NOT opening on Thanksgiving evening due to demand, as some alleged on TFA's board.

They're doing it to beat the other retailers to the punch. That's all. They're trying to peel the limited dollars that people have had the last few years out of customers' pockets before another company can.

Folks on a limited budget will end up going to these places not because their dream was to trudge out to the stores on Thanksgiving instead of early Friday morning; they'll go to stretch their dollars to the absolute limit, and if that's the day those items are on sale, then that's where they're going.

How any of this is the cashiers' fault, I'd be fascinated to know.
 
2011-11-15 01:06:58 PM  

joepainter: Common sense tells me that they are not asking you to work for free.


Well, it depends. They're asking salaried people like me to go work the stores for that day. I don't normally work in the stores, I work in one of our administration buildings.

So would I be getting "paid" to work in the store?
 
2011-11-15 04:03:11 PM  
I've worked retail a *lot*. I actually loved working the BF sales. Mostly because I have a really low opinion of the entire human race.

Black Friday never fails to exceed my every expectation.

/people are scum
//might go to Walmart just to prove myself right
///not buying shiat so I can leave when I want
 
2011-11-15 08:24:08 PM  

kibblesnbits: /refuse to use self checkout
//it kills jobs


bears repeating. I hate those things for precisely that reason.
 
2011-11-15 11:59:32 PM  

vliam: kibblesnbits: /refuse to use self checkout
//it kills jobs

bears repeating. I hate those things for precisely that reason.


This. I'm only checking myself out if I get an employee discount.
 
2011-11-16 03:12:10 AM  

eggrolls: vliam: kibblesnbits: /refuse to use self checkout
//it kills jobs

bears repeating. I hate those things for precisely that reason.

This. I'm only checking myself out if I get an employee discount.


Give it a few more years for RFID tags to be in every product. They'll have a bagging table (for only your own bags of course, or maybe a bag vending machine too) at the front of the store and nothing else, you walk past a scanner, it totals up everything in your cart, swipe your card, walk out. Instead of artificially creating jobs that can be better done by machines anyway, if you want to just create jobs push for "full time" to be reduced from 40 to 32 hours a week (with a corresponding minimum wage increase) or something.
 
2011-11-16 12:49:59 PM  

eggrolls: vliam: kibblesnbits: /refuse to use self checkout
//it kills jobs

bears repeating. I hate those things for precisely that reason.

This. I'm only checking myself out if I get an employee discount.


You folks should get off the Internet; it's costing messengers their jobs.
 
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