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(CBS Detroit)   It seems that retailers forgot one small thing about opening their stores at 10PM and Midnight on Thanksgiving: their employees want to spend time with their families on the holiday   (detroit.cbslocal.com) divider line 218
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2011-11-14 03:08:57 PM  

RoosterCogburn: SO...... you'd have to be there BY 11pm, but somehow this makes you have to leave in the middle of dinner? Hell, even conservatively, the earliest they would rationally ask you to come in as around 8pm. Who eats Thanksgiving dinner that late at night?


I eat Thanksgiving dinner from about 12:30 PM until 11 PM, or until I have a stroke. Whichever comes first.
 
2011-11-14 03:09:48 PM  

sweetmelissa31: I hear there is a series of tubes that enables you to shop from the comfort of your home.


It's more like a big truck, but you have the general idea...
 
2011-11-14 03:11:30 PM  

eggrolls: RoosterCogburn: FTFA: The new opening time will require employees to arrive at work by 11 p.m. on Thanksgiving Day.
then quoted FTFA the reason for the dispute "With the midnight opening, employees like myself will have to leave for work right in the middle of Thanksgiving dinner."

SO...... you'd have to be there BY 11pm, but somehow this makes you have to leave in the middle of dinner? Hell, even conservatively, the earliest they would rationally ask you to come in as around 8pm. Who eats Thanksgiving dinner that late at night?

Walmart is opening at 10. That means getting there at 9. 9:30 at the latest, I'd wager.


Well, don't forget they will be working until 3am Thanksgiving morning, getting stuff ready for that night's opening.

I never worked holiday retail, but my brother-in-law managed a Target store for a couple years. He was home from about 5am - 6pm on Thanksgiving Day. He ate dinner with us, but slept the rest of the day.
 
2011-11-14 03:12:39 PM  
I don't see the problem if people are fairly compensated but everyone knows that's not usually the case.

I wouldn't dream of going out on "Black Friday" but I would hope that people are least friendly and appreciative to workers for being there so early. Unfortunately everyone knows that's not usually the case. Having worked retail for a major corporation I know how bad it can suck and I would just try to make the experience a bit more bearable. Of course the type of person who goes out at 3am to shop is already a bit nuts.

My company is open on Christmas Eve for 4 hours and I have no problem working it if I'm not back East for the holidays, you can either get overtime or choose to bank the day as a full PTO day for later use. No one comes in anyway.
 
2011-11-14 03:12:43 PM  

theknuckler_33: The new opening time will require employees to arrive at work by 11 p.m. on Thanksgiving Day.

"All Americans should be able to break bread with loved ones on Thanksgiving," said Hardwick, who works as a part-time parking attendant at a Target store in Omaha. "With the midnight opening, employees like myself will have to leave for work right in the middle of Thanksgiving dinner. We don't mind hard work, but cutting into our holidays is a step too far."

So, you have Thanksgiving dinner at 10PM? Really?

Bullshiat.


Or, as has been stated several times in the thread already, people go out of town for Thanksgiving.

/durp
 
2011-11-14 03:16:33 PM  

rolladuck: No farking sympathy. A few years ago, I was grocery shopping with my wife the Monday before Thanksgiving when I got a phone call informing me that I was going to Afghanistan by way of New Jersey the following Saturday. Think it sucks having to cut your Thanksgiving plans short to man a cash register or stock room for a few hours? Try cancelling all your airline arrangements, and staying in a strange town with your "still-smells-like-new" spouse knowing that you're spending your last hours together for 13 months.

/Not bitter, except that I missed my little sister's wedding
//Tax bennies almost make up for all the B.S.
///"Good-bye" sex isn't the best, "Welcome back home" sex is much better!


My favorite is "I can't believe this asshole abandoned me in this god forsaken base housing. I'm going to bang random dudes in the bar!" sex.

/ Grew up in between Bremerton Naval base and Fort Lewis
 
2011-11-14 03:18:57 PM  

cefm: Any job whose workforce is so unimportant to the management that they would even dream of trying to force them to work on Thanksgiving (as opposed to incentivizing them to do so) is one you could quit and get somewhere else just fine.

Good jobs are rare, and good jobs don't do this to you.


The guy who started the petition is a goddamn part-time parking lot attendant. I'm pretty sure that means he's bringing in the shopping carts.
 
2011-11-14 03:19:41 PM  
I was working at JCPenney back in the 70's when stores first started opening on Sundays. I had two women shoppers say they were sorry that I had to work on Sunday and what a shame it was. I looked at them, smiled sweetly and said that if they weren't here shopping, that the store wouldn't have business enough to make opening on Sunday profitable. They got a funny look on their faces, mumbled something, paid their bill and went on their way.
 
2011-11-14 03:21:53 PM  
"Be glad you even have a job"

Few sentences grate on me more. It's all relative. If it's a loss--a loss of wages, hours, benefits, family time--it hurts, period.

Be glad that you don't live in an Afghani cave with the Taliban. Be glad you were born with enough ability to operate your machine to post here. Be glad that life with your strawberry picking job in California is still better than utter soul killing poverty in your Mexican/Central American birthplace.

You need to be glad for a LOT of things. That is what thanksgiving is all about.

There is ALWAYS someone worse off. This is why soap operas are so popular. Americans are usually a compassionate bunch, right?

It's not either/or. Others' misfortunes does not completely negate the pain of disruption to your own life. Most of us grew up in a better employment environment, and our expectations are still high in spite of the knocks we've all taken in recent years. That's what it is to be an American: we want better. There's nothing more American than biatching about it when we lose. We don't like losing (as if anyone does).That's what eventually initiates change for the better.

No one likes losing and I feel it's okay to not enjoy that. You can be glad for the job overall and still not be happy about how much you've lost. A loss is still a loss, even if you still have a job. Those of you unhappy with your holiday schedule and wages, you do have my sympathies.

/refuse to use self checkout
//it kills jobs
///hated missing xmas dinner every year to work
//why yes, I am a member of a union
/last slashie for us peons!
 
GBB
2011-11-14 03:23:49 PM  

Snakeophelia: GBB: As a 911 operator that has to answer your choking-on-a-turkey-bone emergency calls, I'm getting a real kick out of these replies.

Also, deep frying turkeys provides job security, both the fire and ensuing knife fight, so, thanks for that.

You got favorited for that comment alone. My ex-husband was a paramedic and I met him while working as a phlebotomist in a hospital; nothing like that type of environment (or yours) for developing a deeply cynical sense of humor.

I once stayed on my shift for five extra hours and got paid something insane, like triple-time, because I worked more than 8 hours that night, more than my total scheduled hours per week, during the third shift, and it was Christmas night. I'd already opened my gifts, things were slow at the hospital, and one of my best friends was on duty, so I just sort of hung around and got a wonderful bonus on my next paycheck.

I would hope that these Target workers are getting paid overtime. If not, f that.


As a former Target Team Member, I got a kick out of this reply as well.
Yeah, Target is just another retailer. Holiday pay and overtime are 2 separate entities. If you work a holiday, then you get paid holiday pay. If you get overtime that week, then you get overtime pay. If the holiday is your overtime, big whoop. Then again, I had a horrible Store manager compared to the other stores in my area. Training at those stores was lots more fun than the one I was stuck at.

Phlebotomists amaze me: how many years of school do they go through just to analyze the crap that gets caught in the back of my throat??

My deeply cynical sense of humor was cultivated long before getting the 911 gig, so I fit in instantly.
 
2011-11-14 03:28:48 PM  
 
2011-11-14 03:29:24 PM  
Ouch. Post fail!
 
2011-11-14 03:31:43 PM  
Not much different than my company's Disaster Recovery program. We spent a ton of money on redundant sites, plans to get employees to disparate facilities, specialized backup and recovery to "hot sites", and not one mention of the fact that if there was a disaster in the Midwest that disruptive, we would be taking care of our families and not giving a single fark about our jobs.
 
2011-11-14 03:33:16 PM  
In high school I worked at a shiatty clothing store frequented by teeny boppers. My job was to stand in the fitting room. This particular store, at the time, had fitting rooms with a curtain. I saw girls changing all day and they would frequently come out and ask me how they looked.

I loved it.

/black Friday is fun if you're young
//don't mind working thanksgiving
///would hate to work christmas though, for some reason..
 
2011-11-14 03:33:39 PM  

Steve Zodiac: They don't forget. They just don't care.


Done in 2... and 3 and whichever else. Retailers only care about $
 
2011-11-14 03:37:21 PM  

Surool: Steve Zodiac: They don't forget. They just don't care.

Done in 2... and 3 and whichever else. Retailers only care about $


Yeah. If I ever go in to business, it'll be for a hobby and not to make money.
 
2011-11-14 03:38:12 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: You know, I have a good way to combat this.

Boycott every retailer on Thanksgiving. They don't give a shiat about us, so let's bankrupt them all. Maybe that will work in lieu of unionizing.

/or we can get some better deals that way
//nothing is cheaper than a desperate retailer


You're just trying to cut down on the line so that you can get more of those Black Friday deals! We're on to you, bucko!
 
2011-11-14 03:39:42 PM  

kibblesnbits: Few sentences grate on me more. It's all relative. If it's a loss--a loss of wages, hours, benefits, family time--it hurts, period.

etc.


I agree with you. It's an old saying, I think. It is a worker's right to complain. Go ahead and complain. I used to biatch about it too. I worked every Thanksgiving when I worked at a Friendly's restaurant because the restaurant was open Thanksgiving evening, Christmas Eve, and New Year's day and everyone had to work at least one of those shifts. Christmas Eve and New Year's day were out for me and since my family usually ate Thanksgiving dinner around 4:00pm, I was able to start a shift at the restaurant by 6 or 6:30 schlepping out ice-cream until closing.

But this seeming "right" to have that day off for everyone is offensive. If that day is so important to you, request it off. It is not really all that hard and I would guess many have done so. I would not be surprised if they have a similar policy to what I worked under when I was young... a short list of 'undesirable' days to work. Everyone has to work at least one of them, pick the least objectionable one. And you know what, that's damned fair because you know EVERYONE was in the same boat. My working on Thanksgiving allowed someone else to stay home with their family and they came in on Christmas Eve so I could go to my grandmother's house.
 
2011-11-14 03:51:14 PM  

RoosterCogburn: FTFA: The new opening time will require employees to arrive at work by 11 p.m. on Thanksgiving Day.
then quoted FTFA the reason for the dispute "With the midnight opening, employees like myself will have to leave for work right in the middle of Thanksgiving dinner."

SO...... you'd have to be there BY 11pm, but somehow this makes you have to leave in the middle of dinner? Hell, even conservatively, the earliest they would rationally ask you to come in as around 8pm. Who eats Thanksgiving dinner that late at night?


My sons gf works at Walmart. She has to work 2 PM to 2 AM on Thanksgiving. Dinner is at 3 PM.
 
2011-11-14 03:51:22 PM  

WTFDYW: Surool: Steve Zodiac: They don't forget. They just don't care.

Done in 2... and 3 and whichever else. Retailers only care about $

Yeah. If I ever go in to business, it'll be for a hobby and not to make money.


Some businesses understand that happy employees make for greater profits.

And other businesses have share holders.
 
2011-11-14 03:56:53 PM  

R.A.Danny: Not much different than my company's Disaster Recovery program. We spent a ton of money on redundant sites, plans to get employees to disparate facilities, specialized backup and recovery to "hot sites", and not one mention of the fact that if there was a disaster in the Midwest that disruptive, we would be taking care of our families and not giving a single fark about our jobs.


Yeah, I've never seen any DR plan that took that human factor into account.

Also, the hit by bus factor is largely ignored.
 
2011-11-14 04:01:24 PM  

GBB: Phlebotomists amaze me: how many years of school do they go through just to analyze the crap that gets caught in the back of my throat??


notsureifserious.jpg
 
2011-11-14 04:09:12 PM  
bemis23: I worked retail on Black Friday once...4am to 7pm. Fortunately that was during college so now I don't ever have to relive that miserable experience.

I wont be shopping BF werkend either...unless its from my couch while watching football.


Black Friday isn't even that bad once you get rid of the asshole door rushers. Xmas Eve and Return week (26th-30th) was much, much worse IMO as far as customer behavior.
 
2011-11-14 04:15:29 PM  
To those of you who are saying "Well if you don't want to work holidays, don't take a job that requires holidays," let me school you here, Sparky.

I have worked every Christmas since 2001, and my next Christmas off, assuming the company even exists, will be in 2014. I get paid double-overtime, meaning I'm knocking down about $38 an hour on a day when there are ZERO orders coming in, and nothing to do but try to get to the next level in Angry Birds. And it still sucks.

I can't imagine what it must be like to have to not only put up with that, but with the abuse and savagery of a Black Friday shopper at $7.50 an hour, on threat of losing your only source of income.

If you can't spare a little compassion for those of us who are keeping the world turning while you're loosening your belt around your seventh helping of stuffing and settling in to your fifteenth football game, you are lost to the consumer culture and everything I'm saying right now sounds like so much "WAH WAH WAH." You probably biatch about the service in restaurants to get out of paying the tip. And on the off chance that you haven't seen the news lately, jobs ain't exactly littering the streets. Employers get away with stuff like this for exactly that reason.

And those of you who do work hols and are saying "Man up Nancy" are even worse. Nothing pisses me off more than someone acting confused because the serfs aren't grateful for the breadcrumbs. That's why there are five hundred people asleep in tents across the street from the courthouse right now. You guys know the deal. Act like it.
 
2011-11-14 04:18:40 PM  
Spent about 5 years in retail, nobodys getting paid overtime for black friday, theyre getting maybe an extra $1 an hour for third shift. It is by far the worst day of the year to be a retail employee (any day the week after christmas being 2nd worst).

I'd love to boycott it like i do most years, but my chair just broke the other day, so ill be going to office max at least, im back in school and cant afford a quality chair otherwise.
 
2011-11-14 04:19:51 PM  
We should ship in cheaper (and admittedly inferior) labor from Mexico or Canada to work just during our holidays. Then we could stay home with our families or go shopping or out to eat if we feel like it.

Everybody wins.
 
2011-11-14 04:20:39 PM  

kibblesnbits: /refuse to use self checkout
//it kills jobs


It's true. Those kiosks have been known to spontaneously appear with no hardware, software, sales, marketing, or manufacturing involved in their creation. A veritable modern mystery.

/I hear they maintain themselves too
 
2011-11-14 04:24:41 PM  

jvowles: joepainter: I am going to start a petition to eliminate all employees that work for a major retailer who are shocked they must work odd hours and holidays during the one busy month a year.
If this type of employment doesn't work with your schedule, don't take the job. It sucks sometimes, but hat's how the world works.

/bah
//hum
///bug

...Or perhaps, just perhaps, we can require that retail adhere to the TINY number of federally mandated national holidays -- and the only stores allowed to be open are those that offer critical services, and they must pay at least double time.

The owners grumble about paying bare minimum wage, give out insulting raises to employees who actually demonstrate care and competence, slash the retail workforce every single year while extending hours and forbidding vacation, and then they treat themselves to big bonuses while their businesses suffer.

When I worked retail, it was in high school and college, and then after college to help pay the bills. I worked in a bookstore in a regional mall, and every year the mall would require the smaller retailers to match the hours the big anchor stores set up. So it was "9 am to 10pm" for weeks, and then "8am to 11pm" on Saturdays and "10am to 8pm" Sunday.

That is about 2 hrs per day M-F, plus 4 more hours on sat & sun. 18 more hours to cover for small retail shops is a MASSIVE hit on their employee hours budget, and they NEVER have any business during those extra hours, except maybe for a bit on sunday, or on the last saturday before christmas.

It certainly never covered the cost of remaining open, and it sure as hell didn't make up for the hit to employee morale -- much less the morale of the managers who had to pick up most of the extra hours without getting additional pay (on top the required 50 hr work weeks) just to make the schedule work at all.

Sears, Macy's, etc. would operate on a skeleton crew -- JCP actually had 6 people TOTAL working the sales floor during most of those extended hours, and one of the Sears managers told me that for the most part, it was a total loss for them, too, because with so few employees on the floor, shoplifting went up.

You conservative sh*theads who biatch so much about the loss of the american family --- you've pushed this mentality that says the lives of ordinary people are not even worth minimum wage, and then you complain that families dissolve? When every waking hour is spent by one class seeking profit and by the other being compelled to work for profit that doesn't bring much benefit to them? I got news for you -- it is YOUR GREED that have smashed all tradition, all family time, and any hope of improvement.

You're not worshipping god -- you're worshipping Ayn Rand, an atheist objectivist whose explicit philosophy was about pushing personal selfish satisfaction and happiness above that of all others. it's fundamentally contrary to EVERYTHING positive about the book you CLAIM to follow, or the express teachings of that nice jewish rabbi who got nailed to a tree after he kicked the asses of greedy shopkeepers and money-lenders who'd corrupted the church, and suggested that we were supposed to put others' needs before our own.


THIS. Rant on brother, rant on! Conservatives lament the disintegration of the American family and would rather blame it on nonissues such as homosexuality than the fact that heads of households often have to work more than 2 jobs each, leaving them next to no family time. All the while their kids lead unsupervised existences and often fall prey to gangs and/or drugs.

/this is just as bad as all those "helicopter parents" we all love to hate
 
2011-11-14 04:25:52 PM  

WTFDYW: Surool: Steve Zodiac: They don't forget. They just don't care.

Done in 2... and 3 and whichever else. Retailers only care about $

Yeah. If I ever go in to business, it'll be for a hobby and not to make money.


So, you can't make money without forcing employees to work stupid hours on a holiday? You're saying none of the stores opening at 6AM on Friday won't make any money?

I guess I can't argue with you or that GED you got in business.
 
2011-11-14 04:38:49 PM  
Why not just start the sale on Wednesday and then close for Thanksgiving. It's not like the moronic customers would have to take off from work since so many of them are unemployed anyway.
 
2011-11-14 04:46:06 PM  

dnl.machine: I don't hear any love for:
7/11 Kwikee mart employees,
Hotel staff,
Police,
Firefighters,
Hospital/Emergency workers,
Airline staff...

Oh wait, I don't hear them complaining either. Given some get better pay than retail slaves, but still.


My mom is a prison guard, so she gets holidays off only when they happen to fall on her normally scheduled days off. We have been planning our holiday gatherings around her schedule for years now.

However, I do feel it is not fair to employees when a non-vital business decides at the last minute to be open on a holiday they are normally closed. Basically what they've done is, they've told the employees "we are not open on Thanksgiving and Christmas", but then two weeks before Thanksgiving, they say "Oh, we're sorry, but we've changed our minds. Either you cancel all your holiday plans, or you're fired!"
 
2011-11-14 04:52:28 PM  

Loreweaver: dnl.machine: I don't hear any love for:
7/11 Kwikee mart employees,
Hotel staff,
Police,
Firefighters,
Hospital/Emergency workers,
Airline staff...

Oh wait, I don't hear them complaining either. Given some get better pay than retail slaves, but still.

My mom is a prison guard, so she gets holidays off only when they happen to fall on her normally scheduled days off. We have been planning our holiday gatherings around her schedule for years now.

However, I do feel it is not fair to employees when a non-vital business decides at the last minute to be open on a holiday they are normally closed. Basically what they've done is, they've told the employees "we are not open on Thanksgiving and Christmas", but then two weeks before Thanksgiving, they say "Oh, we're sorry, but we've changed our minds. Either you cancel all your holiday plans, or you're fired!"


They're employees. Not much better than dogs or cats. I mean, if they had any intelligence at all, they'd start their own business and have their own pets to play with. As it is, they're all poor and stupid and chose to be in this position so they should do whatever their employer asks. They're lucky to have jobs anyway.

/...
 
2011-11-14 04:53:52 PM  

GardenWeasel: My sons gf works at Walmart. She has to work 2 PM to 2 AM on Thanksgiving. Dinner is at 3 PM.


So do folks just not like your son's girlfriend and figured they have a convenient way to exclude her? Or is it one of those families that says "[Event] has always been at [arbitrary time] and we refuse to deal with the fact that life, the world, TV schedules and sunspots change!"
 
2011-11-14 05:02:34 PM  

nucular bum: That is about 2 hrs per day M-F, plus 4 more hours on sat & sun. 18 more hours to cover for small retail shops is a MASSIVE hit on their employee hours budget, and they NEVER have any business during those extra hours, except maybe for a bit on sunday, or on the last saturday before christmas.

It certainly never covered the cost of remaining open, and it sure as hell didn't make up for the hit to employee morale -- much less the morale of the managers who had to pick up most of the extra hours without getting additional pay (on top the required 50 hr work weeks) just to make the schedule work at all.


So much this. For smaller stores especially, but even larger ones, staying open an extra hour or two does fark all for increasing sales. All it does is piss off your employees and ensure worse service during peak hours because youre short staffed to cover the later shifts.

Retail as an industry seems to suffer from poor management. I guess thats what happens when you promote people who started as a stockboy up through the ranks to district manager and they have no formal business training whatsoever. Theres so many ways to cut costs, so many areas they could save money in, without hurting sales or pissing off employees, but theyre just blind to it for whatever reason.
 
2011-11-14 05:14:47 PM  

Surool: WTFDYW: Surool: Steve Zodiac: They don't forget. They just don't care.

Done in 2... and 3 and whichever else. Retailers only care about $

Yeah. If I ever go in to business, it'll be for a hobby and not to make money.

So, you can't make money without forcing employees to work stupid hours on a holiday? You're saying none of the stores opening at 6AM on Friday won't make any money?

I guess I can't argue with you or that GED you got in business.


Personal attaacks show that you may have a GED. I doubt you got that far though.
 
2011-11-14 05:15:13 PM  

WhoGAS: Loreweaver: dnl.machine: I don't hear any love for:
7/11 Kwikee mart employees,
Hotel staff,
Police,
Firefighters,
Hospital/Emergency workers,
Airline staff...

Oh wait, I don't hear them complaining either. Given some get better pay than retail slaves, but still.

My mom is a prison guard, so she gets holidays off only when they happen to fall on her normally scheduled days off. We have been planning our holiday gatherings around her schedule for years now.

However, I do feel it is not fair to employees when a non-vital business decides at the last minute to be open on a holiday they are normally closed. Basically what they've done is, they've told the employees "we are not open on Thanksgiving and Christmas", but then two weeks before Thanksgiving, they say "Oh, we're sorry, but we've changed our minds. Either you cancel all your holiday plans, or you're fired!"

They're employees. Not much better than dogs or cats. I mean, if they had any intelligence at all, they'd start their own business and have their own pets to play with. As it is, they're all poor and stupid and chose to be in this position so they should do whatever their employer asks. They're lucky to have jobs anyway.

/...


No no no no. If you're going to troll, you have to do it with more feeling! You need more frothing at the mouth type of stuff, or at least a sense of genuine hatred and/or righteous arrogance. Your attempt sounds so... meh...

1/10
 
2011-11-14 05:27:05 PM  

Loreweaver: No no no no. If you're going to troll, you have to do it with more feeling! You need more frothing at the mouth type of stuff, or at least a sense of genuine hatred and/or righteous arrogance. Your attempt sounds so... meh...

1/10


Yeah...I've always been too nice. I even include my "troll alert" notice at the bottom of the post. *sigh*
 
2011-11-14 05:30:31 PM  
CSB moment. My worse shopping experience was about 20 years ago when all my siblings and friends were popping out babies like rabbits. I had realized I had overlooked one baby gift and decided that going to Toy R Us at 1am two days beore xmas was a good idea (they were open until about 2 or 3am). The place was jam packed. And not just parents. The morons brought their small children who were all tired, hungry, and whinny as hell. I wanted to slap the shiat out of every single parent that brought their kid at that hour. I had nothing but sympathy for the children who were falling asleep in the aisles.

/also had sympathy for the workers who had to put up with idiots demanding they find one more of whatever toy was big that year
 
2011-11-14 05:34:42 PM  

WTFDYW: Surool: WTFDYW: Surool: Steve Zodiac: They don't forget. They just don't care.

Done in 2... and 3 and whichever else. Retailers only care about $

Yeah. If I ever go in to business, it'll be for a hobby and not to make money.

So, you can't make money without forcing employees to work stupid hours on a holiday? You're saying none of the stores opening at 6AM on Friday won't make any money?

I guess I can't argue with you or that GED you got in business.

Personal attaacks show that you may have a GED. I doubt you got that far though.


You were the one who went all condescending. You don't get to blame me for your "hobby" comment. You also lost your attempt at moral high ground too.
 
2011-11-14 05:48:43 PM  
On the one hand, I used to work in EMS, and I worked *every* holiday one year (volunteered for 1st shift TG, scheduled on 1st and 2nd Christmas and New Years). There are those who work holidays because, otherwise, your idiot brother who deep fried a frozen turkey and burned himself beyond recognition would be assed out. Or when your senile grandmother catches the turkey on fire in the oven and--oops--there goes the kitchen to a fire. To speak fairly, yes we got overtime and holiday pay and shiat like that.

On the other hand, I also worked retail to help get myself through school. Yes, it was nice not having to work TG and Christmas, but Black Friday sucks, and I can't imagine being required to work (in retail) on holidays that traditionally retailers got off.

However, I recently got my masters degree, have been unemployed for over a year, and was just hired on as a sales associate in a family owned jewelry store. If they asked me to stand on my head and sing the National Anthem on Thanksgiving for little pay, I'd take it and be grateful for the money in my pocket.

/glad for a job
//student loans to pay back, y'know.
///being unemployed for over a year SUCKS.
 
2011-11-14 06:05:32 PM  

cherryl taggart: You know, a really evil person could, you know, if properly motivated, make a phone call, and suggest to somebody, that there might be a terrorist lurking around, somewhere in the vicinity, of a retail establishment.

I would never dream of being such a person.


Your cunning plan won't work easily nowadays. Pay phones are hard to find. Caller ID can be a biatch.

/knows where one is in town
//knows another the next town over
///why?
////don't ask. don't tell.
 
2011-11-14 06:17:36 PM  

WTFDYW: Our company produces eggs. Try convincing the hens not to lay eggs on a holiday.

/we pay our employees time and a half on top of the holiday pay.


That's like trying to convince the bomb in Darkstar not to blow up.
 
2011-11-14 06:23:13 PM  

saturn badger: cherryl taggart: You know, a really evil person could, you know, if properly motivated, make a phone call, and suggest to somebody, that there might be a terrorist lurking around, somewhere in the vicinity, of a retail establishment.

I would never dream of being such a person.

Your cunning plan won't work easily nowadays. Pay phones are hard to find. Caller ID can be a biatch.

/knows where one is in town
//knows another the next town over
///why?
////don't ask. don't tell.


Uh....
 
2011-11-14 06:25:03 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: JRoo: Those lazy, entitled ****s!

IT'S NOT BUSINESSES JOB TO HIRE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO DO THE WORK THEY WANT DONE!!

We heard your idiocy the first damn time.


And the second time since you repeated it.

And a third since I did.

I think that word means not what you think it does.
 
2011-11-14 06:30:58 PM  

Lando Lincoln: SuperDuper28: More so on their biggest day of the entire year

It's not their biggest day of the year. I don't think it's even in the top five.


Saturday before Christmas is almost always the busiest, most-profitable day of the Holiday season. This year, it will be interesting given that the 24th is a Saturday; Christmas Eve sales could be huge this year. But I wouldn't want to be anywhere near a Target or Wal-Mart on the 17th or 18th.
 
2011-11-14 06:47:23 PM  

wikid one: I guess the whole thing depends on the situation. I'm assuming that nobody is getting time and a half for working a holiday?

/Gets time and a half +8 hours holiday pay at current job.
//Volunteered to work Thanksgiving and Xmas.


That's another thing. I worked last year on both Thanksgiving and Christmas because those were part of my normal schedule. The company didn't pay (it used to be double time) extra because now we get PTO (Personal Time OFF). This is good because if you're muslim or jewish you can take your holidays off, but those of us who have predominantly American holidays have to take them some other time and not get any bonus for working during the NATIONAL HOLIDAY.
 
2011-11-14 06:57:24 PM  
Some jobs require you to work over the holidays - if you look at your job and say "yeah - someone would be hooped without me over the holidays" then by all means work it.

If you want me to make pizza or stock shelves on thanksgiving you can suck a rock. I would rather die cold and hungry than welch myslef out to some lower management douche bag. They always make everything they do for you into a favour that you somehow owe back to them at some point. I swear the people in lower/mid management are the slimiest of the scum you can meet. - Fat, bald, boring, sweaty cretins with bad skin and worse personalities...

They take their jobs really seriously - like the pizza hut, or the drug store would go out of business without their neurotic guiding hand. Its the single worst thing you can do - If your employed by someone else there is rarely a reason to take your work that seriously.
 
2011-11-14 07:01:26 PM  

Snakeophelia: GBB: As a 911 operator that has to answer your choking-on-a-turkey-bone emergency calls, I'm getting a real kick out of these replies.

Also, deep frying turkeys provides job security, both the fire and ensuing knife fight, so, thanks for that.

You got favorited for that comment alone. My ex-husband was a paramedic and I met him while working as a phlebotomist in a hospital; nothing like that type of environment (or yours) for developing a deeply cynical sense of humor.

I once stayed on my shift for five extra hours and got paid something insane, like triple-time, because I worked more than 8 hours that night, more than my total scheduled hours per week, during the third shift, and it was Christmas night. I'd already opened my gifts, things were slow at the hospital, and one of my best friends was on duty, so I just sort of hung around and got a wonderful bonus on my next paycheck.

I would hope that these Target workers are getting paid overtime. If not, f that.


This is why Wisconsin is against unions.
 
2011-11-14 07:09:57 PM  

mikefinch: If you want me to make pizza or stock shelves on thanksgiving you can suck a rock. I would rather die cold and hungry than welch myslef out to some lower management douche bag. They always make everything they do for you into a favour that you somehow owe back to them at some point. I swear the people in lower/mid management are the slimiest of the scum you can meet. - Fat, bald, boring, sweaty cretins with bad skin and worse personalities...
.


When I was young, I called in sick to work at my McJob. I spoke with the assistant manager, and told him how I was sick and wouldn't be coming in. He kept saying that he'd see me at "whatevertimeIwassupposedtobeatwork" and I kept saying I was sick. I didn't show up, and I didn't hear anything after that about the issue.
Farking a-hole.
 
2011-11-14 07:17:59 PM  
on the one hand, what kind of loser goes shopping on thanksgiving? seriously? are you people depraved, or even people at all?

on the other, wah wah wah. don't like the terms of the job, why not find another one? can we close the ER on thanksgiving? not as long as you bozos keep overdosing on ringworm of the scalp and the other assorted maladies that affect young urban fellows these days.

i think the notion of time and a half or double time for select holidays makes plenty of sense, and would easily solve the problem of finding willing staffers.
 
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