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(CBS Detroit)   It seems that retailers forgot one small thing about opening their stores at 10PM and Midnight on Thanksgiving: their employees want to spend time with their families on the holiday   (detroit.cbslocal.com) divider line 218
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2011-11-14 01:35:18 PM
Hearing about all of you chasing the $$$ for holiday pay and/or line up for doorbuster deals to acquire more things really highlights what is fundamentally wrong in America.

/a bankrupt culture focused solely acquiring meaningless possessions... can you farkwads ever have enough?
 
2011-11-14 01:36:00 PM

dnl.machine: I don't hear any love for:
7/11 Kwikee mart employees,
Hotel staff,
Police,
Firefighters,
Hospital/Emergency workers,
Airline staff...

Oh wait, I don't hear them complaining either. Given some get better pay than retail slaves, but still.


Those jobs have always involved holiday work and a good chunk of them are compensated generously as a result of union negotiations.

That's a bit different than someone going..."you know what...you all are going to be working this holiday. I'll want to see the sales figures when I come back from the holidays"
 
2011-11-14 01:36:01 PM
I'm a nurse and I've worked every holiday for the past 10 years. In my field, holidays are for people who haven't figured out that you can cook turkey and pumpkin pie on any day of the week.

Protip: if you don't have childcare and the day care is obviously not open, it will be very difficult to justify firing someone for not working. Difficulty: The will probably find another reason to fire you.
 
GBB [TotalFark]
2011-11-14 01:37:08 PM
As a 911 operator that has to answer your choking-on-a-turkey-bone emergency calls, I'm getting a real kick out of these replies.

Also, deep frying turkeys provides job security, both the fire and ensuing knife fight, so, thanks for that.
 
2011-11-14 01:37:52 PM
The whole idea of spending a day off from work in a shopping mall with hordes of lumpen proles buying imported crap from China gives me the shakes. I'll probably be walking around my neighborhood enjoying the sunlight if it is sunny or enjoying a good book ..cough...warcraft...cough inside if it is raining.
 
2011-11-14 01:40:45 PM

RandomExcess: These companies are opening because they think people will shop. If you are pissed, tell your mom, sister, wife and auntie to not go shopping then.


I notice that you don't mention dad, brother, husband and unkie there - and with good reason.

When I was a kid and the women-folk rushed off to the stores to shop all day, I remember the contented sigh from my dad and grandfather as we set out to enjoy our day of lounging in front of the TV and making turkey sammiches.

Good times.
 
2011-11-14 01:41:44 PM
The worst part is that, as usual, they won't have enough people on shift and instead will try to funnel a million ravenous customers through 3 over-burdened cashiers. The managers are urged to do anything to save a buck, even if it means making customers wait hours, so that 1 worker can do the job of 5.

I went to a CVS on a Saturday evening and there was 1 girl working the entire store. She had resorted to working 2 cash registers to try and get the lines of people out faster (one was just for credit transactions so she wouldn't have to count out another drawer).

SO glad I don't work retail anymore.
 
2011-11-14 01:41:57 PM

OnlyMeanWitchesAreUgly: It's a Sunshine Day!: I hate to break it to everyone but THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO WORK HOLIDAYS.

I used to work in TV news, so on Thanksgiving I was always out getting the standard video of people at shelter kitchens, heavy traffic, etc. But, you also have police officers and fire fighters; radio, TV, and cable engineers (can't have the signal going out!); convenience store employees; hospital workers and other medical staff; nursing home employees, etc.

It would be nice to think that there's 1 day out of the year when everyone can take a break, but it's just not possible.

Plus, if folks are so upset about people working on Thanksgiving, then they shouldn't go shopping on Thanksgiving. Don't go to a movie on Thanksgiving (a huge movie day). Stay home.

^^^^^^^This. ^^^^^^^^

I think that if you do not want to have to work on a holiday, you should not work for a company or in a profession where it is required. I feel bad for those people who have to work the holiday shifts, but hey, life does not stop because of a holiday.


If you work retail, the expectation is probably that you still get Thanksgiving and Christmas off, even if you don't get any other holidays.
 
2011-11-14 01:45:49 PM

kinkkerbelle: I'm a nurse and I've worked every holiday for the past 10 years. In my field, holidays are for people who haven't figured out that you can cook turkey and pumpkin pie on any day of the week.

Protip: if you don't have childcare and the day care is obviously not open, it will be very difficult to justify firing someone for not working. Difficulty: The will probably find another reason to fire you.


Yup. My girlfriend is an OT at a facility where they need to work one holiday a year, so they have coverage. She works Thanksgiving, and we have Thanksgiving dinner on Saturday.

No big deal. Works out pretty well for the people we invite over - they get TWO Thanksgiving dinners.
 
2011-11-14 01:47:17 PM
They should move Thanksgiving. I mean, I like getting a paid day off on a Thursday, but I'd like it more if it were on Friday, so I could have a long weekend.
 
2011-11-14 01:50:13 PM
I hate the term "breaking bread" and those that use it.
 
2011-11-14 01:51:05 PM
No farking sympathy. A few years ago, I was grocery shopping with my wife the Monday before Thanksgiving when I got a phone call informing me that I was going to Afghanistan by way of New Jersey the following Saturday. Think it sucks having to cut your Thanksgiving plans short to man a cash register or stock room for a few hours? Try cancelling all your airline arrangements, and staying in a strange town with your "still-smells-like-new" spouse knowing that you're spending your last hours together for 13 months.

/Not bitter, except that I missed my little sister's wedding
//Tax bennies almost make up for all the B.S.
///"Good-bye" sex isn't the best, "Welcome back home" sex is much better!
 
2011-11-14 01:51:09 PM

joepainter: I am going to start a petition to eliminate all employees that work for a major retailer who are shocked they must work odd hours and holidays during the one busy month a year.
If this type of employment doesn't work with your schedule, don't take the job. It sucks sometimes, but hat's how the world works.

/bah
//hum
///bug


...Or perhaps, just perhaps, we can require that retail adhere to the TINY number of federally mandated national holidays -- and the only stores allowed to be open are those that offer critical services, and they must pay at least double time.

The owners grumble about paying bare minimum wage, give out insulting raises to employees who actually demonstrate care and competence, slash the retail workforce every single year while extending hours and forbidding vacation, and then they treat themselves to big bonuses while their businesses suffer.

When I worked retail, it was in high school and college, and then after college to help pay the bills. I worked in a bookstore in a regional mall, and every year the mall would require the smaller retailers to match the hours the big anchor stores set up. So it was "9 am to 10pm" for weeks, and then "8am to 11pm" on Saturdays and "10am to 8pm" Sunday.

That is about 2 hrs per day M-F, plus 4 more hours on sat & sun. 18 more hours to cover for small retail shops is a MASSIVE hit on their employee hours budget, and they NEVER have any business during those extra hours, except maybe for a bit on sunday, or on the last saturday before christmas.

It certainly never covered the cost of remaining open, and it sure as hell didn't make up for the hit to employee morale -- much less the morale of the managers who had to pick up most of the extra hours without getting additional pay (on top the required 50 hr work weeks) just to make the schedule work at all.

Sears, Macy's, etc. would operate on a skeleton crew -- JCP actually had 6 people TOTAL working the sales floor during most of those extended hours, and one of the Sears managers told me that for the most part, it was a total loss for them, too, because with so few employees on the floor, shoplifting went up.

You conservative sh*theads who biatch so much about the loss of the american family --- you've pushed this mentality that says the lives of ordinary people are not even worth minimum wage, and then you complain that families dissolve? When every waking hour is spent by one class seeking profit and by the other being compelled to work for profit that doesn't bring much benefit to them? I got news for you -- it is YOUR GREED that have smashed all tradition, all family time, and any hope of improvement.

You're not worshipping god -- you're worshipping Ayn Rand, an atheist objectivist whose explicit philosophy was about pushing personal selfish satisfaction and happiness above that of all others. it's fundamentally contrary to EVERYTHING positive about the book you CLAIM to follow, or the express teachings of that nice jewish rabbi who got nailed to a tree after he kicked the asses of greedy shopkeepers and money-lenders who'd corrupted the church, and suggested that we were supposed to put others' needs before our own.
 
2011-11-14 01:51:37 PM

tricycleracer: rubi_con_man: Fire everyone who won't work that day,

Ah, yes. Firing: the panacea of business.

I'm sure you can get all of your fresh hires up to speed for a capacity crowd with just an hour or two of training. They'll know the register like the back of their hand by then.


Oh like moving merchandise across a barcode scanner while the register beeps is so hard. I actually prefer self-checkout where I don't have to deal with scripted conversation from the cashier who expects me to respond back with similar meaningless drabble about the weather or some stupid-ass football game. I can self-checkout twice as fast, I don't have to reciprocate a scripted greeting to the computer, and I take my change and my receipt separately (as opposed to the cashiers who insist on cramming your receipt in with you change, forcing you to sort the receipt out on the spot, further adding inconvienence to the experience because after you've been to half a dozen stores and all their receipts are mixed with your bills you spend greater time at the next location trying to find your bills through the stack of receipts jumbled with them).

Look I know the fear-mongering media has whipped all you retailers into a bird flu frenzy of sanitation with antibacterial soap dispensers on every ceiling support, and mandated that receipts be placed in customers' hands before change to minimize human contact, but dammit my head is about to explode with all the goddamn stupidity. Put the farking receipt in the farking bag like we've been doing for a hundred farking years prior to the horrific fake pandemic horseshiat of late.

/end rant
 
2011-11-14 01:52:00 PM

tothekor: Dancin_In_Anson: They could try doing what we did when I had a restaurant gig. We made working on Thanksgiving and Christmas completely voluntary and paid double. We usually had more volunteers than openings.

This is why that plan won't work. No company will pay double for anything, especially a comody like human bodies, if they didn't have to. Never undersestimate the power of corporate greed. Remember, the CEO needs his billion dollar golden parachute after running the company into brankrupcy.Why do you have America so much?


A good comody, as you call it, is worth its weight in gold.
 
2011-11-14 01:52:09 PM

OgreMagi: Smiledriver: FTFA

"If Target doesn't reverse its decision and allow associates to spend Thanksgiving holidays with their family, they might suffer from a fast-growing consumer backlash,"

I have some expertise in this matter, the consumer could give some rats ass about you and your turkey dinner. They are thrilled that they have some more time to shop.

I work in retail managment, if you don't care for the way retail is run...get out. Sorry.

And dickwads like you are taking advantage of the poor economy to force this on your employees. A few years ago you wouldn't have dared this shiat because you'd have seen all your sales people tell you to fark off and quit on the spot. This will come back to haunt you. When the economy recovers people will remember who treated them fairly and who were assholes.


WTF? This isn't new this year, it's been happening for decades, good times and bad. You're old enough to know this.

This post is way out of character for you.
 
2011-11-14 01:57:49 PM

penguins_steal_my_sanity: The worst part is that, as usual, they won't have enough people on shift and instead will try to funnel a million ravenous customers through 3 over-burdened cashiers. The managers are urged to do anything to save a buck, even if it means making customers wait hours, so that 1 worker can do the job of 5.

I went to a CVS on a Saturday evening and there was 1 girl working the entire store. She had resorted to working 2 cash registers to try and get the lines of people out faster (one was just for credit transactions so she wouldn't have to count out another drawer).

SO glad I don't work retail anymore.


Dude. Thank you for reminding me why I DON'T go out on Black Friday.

Plus, if anything "good" (*disastrous) happens, there'll be a viral video of the security footage in no time. I'm not missing anything out there.
 
2011-11-14 01:57:51 PM
If you're going to be open special hours, or on holidays, at least do the right thing and make it worth the employee's while to do it.

Because employees who like where they work are less likely to steal from you, and more likely to help you sell lots of your products.

Treat employees like humans and you'll get a much better class of employee. That means you pay them well and when the store does well, you share the wealth.

It can really be something as simple as ordering food for the staff on insanely busy days like Black Friday, and making people take breaks and sit down for 15 minutes every so often. Well, that and staffing adequately.
 
2011-11-14 01:58:59 PM
By now, there should be no reason for the Black Friday craziness. I get all my Christmas shopping done online, THEN go to the mall just to watch the insanity. Or I'll order something online from Best Buy and pick it up, just so I can jump to the front of the line and watch everyone freak out about it.

Almost all retailers will have a corresponding Black Friday sales online. There's absolutely no reason to be at Target at midnight just to get a good deal.

/There's also no reason to be at Walmart. At all. On any day.
//Laying bets now for how long after midnight someone is killed at Walmart by a stampeding crowd
 
2011-11-14 01:59:58 PM
They didn't forget, they just don't care.
 
2011-11-14 02:00:39 PM
So do Americans want jobs or just certain jobs? They need to be more clear to job creators so they know what kind of jobs they're supposed to be conjuring up.
 
2011-11-14 02:05:47 PM

SirFire: tricycleracer: rubi_con_man: Fire everyone who won't work that day,

Ah, yes. Firing: the panacea of business.

I'm sure you can get all of your fresh hires up to speed for a capacity crowd with just an hour or two of training. They'll know the register like the back of their hand by then.

Oh like moving merchandise across a barcode scanner while the register beeps is so hard. I actually prefer self-checkout where I don't have to deal with scripted conversation from the cashier who expects me to respond back with similar meaningless drabble about the weather or some stupid-ass football game. I can self-checkout twice as fast, I don't have to reciprocate a scripted greeting to the computer, and I take my change and my receipt separately (as opposed to the cashiers who insist on cramming your receipt in with you change, forcing you to sort the receipt out on the spot, further adding inconvienence to the experience because after you've been to half a dozen stores and all their receipts are mixed with your bills you spend greater time at the next location trying to find your bills through the stack of receipts jumbled with them).

Look I know the fear-mongering media has whipped all you retailers into a bird flu frenzy of sanitation with antibacterial soap dispensers on every ceiling support, and mandated that receipts be placed in customers' hands before change to minimize human contact, but dammit my head is about to explode with all the goddamn stupidity. Put the farking receipt in the farking bag like we've been doing for a hundred farking years prior to the horrific fake pandemic horseshiat of late.

/end rant


In New Mexico self-checkouts were nice, but all the self-checkouts where I live now suck. Sometimes the majority of my grocery items need an override code for one reason or another. The employees don't know or care why, they just run up, scan card, enter code, run to next self-checkout, etc. I stopped using them it was such a pain.
 
2011-11-14 02:06:27 PM
Thing is, retailers will find a way to not pay their employees for working TG evening. They'll either cut hours prior to that day, or they'll cut hours later in the week. What they won't do is pay anyone time-and-a-half if they can help it. I'd be okay with this kind of thing if employers would just share the wealth with the peons, but that's not how they roll.
 
2011-11-14 02:08:39 PM
WHINERS! "We don't mind hard work, but cutting into our holidays is a step too far."
Millions of Americans are forced to work holidays!
Millions of Americans are fortunate enough to have a job that allows them to work holidays
 
2011-11-14 02:09:18 PM

JRoo: Those lazy, entitled ****s!

IT'S NOT BUSINESSES JOB TO HIRE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO DO THE WORK THEY WANT DONE!!


We heard your idiocy the first damn time.
 
2011-11-14 02:11:25 PM

madgonad: Hearing about all of you chasing the $$$ for holiday pay and/or line up for doorbuster deals to acquire more things really highlights what is fundamentally wrong in America.

/a bankrupt culture focused solely acquiring meaningless possessions... can you farkwads ever have enough?


Holiday shopping stories make me glad that a) I know how to knit, and b) my relatives usually ask me for mittens. I had to go to the mall once on Dec. 23rd because I needed to replace a part on my sewing machine to finish a gift, and I almost had a panic attack. The people who don't need mittens get books, ordered from the comfort of my couch. If I can avoid the mall entirely between Nov. 1 and Dec.27, I consider the holiday a smashing success.

I've had jobs working the holidays and didn't mind it because we were providing an essential service (I worked in group homes for people with disabilities.) We also got paid for the day whether we worked or not, plus time and a half for any time worked on the holiday, and management was really fair about assigning shifts. My family lived out of town and Christmas was important to my sick mother and elderly grandmother, so I never had to work it, and there were other staff who didn't celebrate it and were glad for the shifts; I often worked Thanksgiving, New Year's Eve, or New Year's Day. It was fine. But being forced to work on a holiday for minimum wage so people don't even have to wait until the dishes are done to line up for hours for cheap plastic crap would have pissed me off.
 
2011-11-14 02:13:24 PM

jvowles: ...Or perhaps, just perhaps, we can require that retail adhere to the TINY number of federally mandated national holidays -- and the only stores allowed to be open are those that offer critical services, and they must pay at least double time.


You opened with this and are immediately wrong. They aren't federally MANDATED holidays. They are federally RECOGNIZED holidays. The US is the only first-world country that doesn't have any days that employers are required to give employees off (or equal compensation). Not really a big deal. If you don't want to work holidays then don't take a job that requires it.
 
2011-11-14 02:19:07 PM
If I'm making $12.00/hr for 40hrs a week AND you want me to work TG evening AND it's gonna mean OT, okay the. Sign me up 'cause I need the money. But that's not how it works. Target doesn't pay anywhere near that much and hardly anybody gets more than 32hrs a week (don't want to be paying insurance benefits) and you better believe OT is out of the question.

Fark retail jobs, they suck.
 
2011-11-14 02:23:39 PM

RoosterCogburn: FTFA: The new opening time will require employees to arrive at work by 11 p.m. on Thanksgiving Day.
then quoted FTFA the reason for the dispute "With the midnight opening, employees like myself will have to leave for work right in the middle of Thanksgiving dinner."

SO...... you'd have to be there BY 11pm, but somehow this makes you have to leave in the middle of dinner? Hell, even conservatively, the earliest they would rationally ask you to come in as around 8pm. Who eats Thanksgiving dinner that late at night?


It's really good for the workers. Like a Thanksgiving bonus! Don't have to do dishes, or clean the table, or change the leaves in the table, or change the smoke detector batteries, or the storm windows, or any of that other stuff!!!!111!!!111!!!
 
2011-11-14 02:25:08 PM

hailin: jvowles: ...Or perhaps, just perhaps, we can require that retail adhere to the TINY number of federally mandated national holidays -- and the only stores allowed to be open are those that offer critical services, and they must pay at least double time.

You opened with this and are immediately wrong. They aren't federally MANDATED holidays. They are federally RECOGNIZED holidays.


Christmas should be neither.

/What?
//Someone had to say it
 
2011-11-14 02:27:26 PM

RoosterCogburn: FTFA: The new opening time will require employees to arrive at work by 11 p.m. on Thanksgiving Day.
then quoted FTFA the reason for the dispute "With the midnight opening, employees like myself will have to leave for work right in the middle of Thanksgiving dinner."

SO...... you'd have to be there BY 11pm, but somehow this makes you have to leave in the middle of dinner? Hell, even conservatively, the earliest they would rationally ask you to come in as around 8pm. Who eats Thanksgiving dinner that late at night?



We do. It allows our friends and extended family to pop in to spend time. Conservatively, dinner at my home ends about 11pm with all the courses prepared. My family has never understood why people would want to eat such a huge meal so awfully early in the day. I myself was shocked that other people's meals would be held @ 1pm. Still don't get it. Happy to be on the later side.
 
2011-11-14 02:29:13 PM

Doctor_TeethMD: So do Americans want jobs or just certain jobs? They need to be more clear to job creators so they know what kind of jobs they're supposed to be conjuring up.


Looking at the degrees people are graduating college with is sooooo difficult.

Let's just streamline them through what I want them to do! That'll create happy workers, for sure!
 
2011-11-14 02:31:30 PM
You know, a really evil person could, you know, if properly motivated, make a phone call, and suggest to somebody, that there might be a terrorist lurking around, somewhere in the vicinity, of a retail establishment.

I would never dream of being such a person.
 
2011-11-14 02:34:17 PM

jvowles: It can really be something as simple as ordering food for the staff on insanely busy days like Black Friday, and making people take breaks and sit down for 15 minutes every so often. Well, that and staffing adequately.


Best Buy was always pretty good about it. You had scheduled breaks and a scheduled lunchtime. The first couple Black Fridays I worked they had a fully catered lunch. The last year I worked they had pizza, which would have been fine except they ran out of pizza during my scheduled lunch break and didn't get any until five minutes after I went back out to the floor. Let me tell you, working a twelve-hour black friday shift with no lunch made me pretty grumpy (though the guy that showed up that night saw my tweet regarding the food situation and brought me two sushi rolls which I was eternally grateful for).
 
2011-11-14 02:37:15 PM

ProfessorOhki: Christmas should be neither.

/What?
//Someone had to say it


This I agree with. I never understood why Christmas is on the list. Easter, Good Friday, and Ash Wednesday aren't holidays federal employees take off, so why Christmas?
 
2011-11-14 02:37:23 PM

loaba: If I'm making $12.00/hr for 40hrs a week AND you want me to work TG evening AND it's gonna mean OT, okay the. Sign me up 'cause I need the money. But that's not how it works. Target doesn't pay anywhere near that much and hardly anybody gets more than 32hrs a week (don't want to be paying insurance benefits) and you better believe OT is out of the question.

Fark retail jobs, they suck.


like i tell my 36 year old friend who is a waiter, "you cant expect adult wages from a job that was intended for college students, "aspiring actors", new immigrants and retired/ senior citizens"

these jobs arent created to support families. at best, theyre meant to supplement incomes.
 
2011-11-14 02:37:58 PM
Are the workers not getting paid extra for going over the normal allotted time, an 'overtime' if you will?

Those who don't mind interrupting dinner get compensation for their troubles.
 
2011-11-14 02:47:49 PM

RoosterCogburn: FTFA: The new opening time will require employees to arrive at work by 11 p.m. on Thanksgiving Day.
then quoted FTFA the reason for the dispute "With the midnight opening, employees like myself will have to leave for work right in the middle of Thanksgiving dinner."

SO...... you'd have to be there BY 11pm, but somehow this makes you have to leave in the middle of dinner? Hell, even conservatively, the earliest they would rationally ask you to come in as around 8pm. Who eats Thanksgiving dinner that late at night?


Some people may visit parents or grandparents a long drive from where they live/work. Is that hard to figure out?
 
2011-11-14 02:48:35 PM

PanicMan: Shopping from midnight to 4 AM is the most bizarre thing I've ever heard of. Seriously, what's the draw?


I think it's a bit like college tests. You get so hyped on the adrenaline and energy drinks\ caffeine\possibly alcohol in another generation (do you guys do that for shopping now?) that your brain thinks it's fun.
 
2011-11-14 02:49:23 PM
I hear there is a series of tubes that enables you to shop from the comfort of your home.
 
2011-11-14 02:49:28 PM

PanicMan: Shopping from midnight to 4 AM is the most bizarre thing I've ever heard of. Seriously, what's the draw?


For the stores? They're trying to not be the ones inevitably left with overstock.

It's all about the retail glut and unsustainable mass consumption economy. There's just too much shiat out there to buy, they have to increase the scale to get the costs of production and distribution per item down, but it just leads to a glut, and someone has to lose.
 
2011-11-14 02:51:25 PM

GBB: As a 911 operator that has to answer your choking-on-a-turkey-bone emergency calls, I'm getting a real kick out of these replies.

Also, deep frying turkeys provides job security, both the fire and ensuing knife fight, so, thanks for that.


You got favorited for that comment alone. My ex-husband was a paramedic and I met him while working as a phlebotomist in a hospital; nothing like that type of environment (or yours) for developing a deeply cynical sense of humor.

I once stayed on my shift for five extra hours and got paid something insane, like triple-time, because I worked more than 8 hours that night, more than my total scheduled hours per week, during the third shift, and it was Christmas night. I'd already opened my gifts, things were slow at the hospital, and one of my best friends was on duty, so I just sort of hung around and got a wonderful bonus on my next paycheck.

I would hope that these Target workers are getting paid overtime. If not, f that.
 
2011-11-14 02:52:34 PM
It takes a special kind of stupid to compare police, firefighters, paramedics, medical staff, etc. to retail positions.

Let's see... full time, benefits, paid days off, overtime, oh and the fact they are farking mandatory public services that people's lives and well being depend on. Vs making sure Fatty McHoverround gets the latest tickle me Michael Jackson memorial doll for $2 off the suggested retail price (but she's think she's getting a great deal).

There's no reason to tie it to a family holiday the way they have.
 
2011-11-14 02:56:22 PM
Ive worked in retail for every xmas season for the past decade, with the exception of the year I was in Iraq. Every year retail employees complain about opening up early and about the asshole customers. At this point in my "career" I can safely say the complainers primarily consist of the laziest, most immature, or least useful staff at the store.

/Still think opening up at midnight is dumb. But I'd be happy for the extra cash.
 
2011-11-14 02:59:39 PM
Any job whose workforce is so unimportant to the management that they would even dream of trying to force them to work on Thanksgiving (as opposed to incentivizing them to do so) is one you could quit and get somewhere else just fine.

Good jobs are rare, and good jobs don't do this to you.
 
mrh
2011-11-14 03:02:16 PM
Damn... I wouldn't shop on black friday if stores were GIVING everything away for FREE.

NOTHING is worth going out and camping out all night in a line, fighting the crowds/parking/traffic... to "save" a few dollars on ANYTHING.

I say "save", because it's most likely just your perception that makes you think you are saving than any real dollar savings amount (if you were to just shop around at ANY time).

And even if you DO truely save a couple hundred dollars.. if the only thing between you and living on the street is NEEDING to save a $200 on Christmas gifts.. you probably need to re-evaluate your money habits/priorities.
 
2011-11-14 03:03:14 PM
Our company produces eggs. Try convincing the hens not to lay eggs on a holiday.

/we pay our employees time and a half on top of the holiday pay.
 
2011-11-14 03:03:33 PM
The new opening time will require employees to arrive at work by 11 p.m. on Thanksgiving Day.

"All Americans should be able to break bread with loved ones on Thanksgiving," said Hardwick, who works as a part-time parking attendant at a Target store in Omaha. "With the midnight opening, employees like myself will have to leave for work right in the middle of Thanksgiving dinner. We don't mind hard work, but cutting into our holidays is a step too far."


So, you have Thanksgiving dinner at 10PM? Really?

Bullshiat.
 
2011-11-14 03:07:38 PM

SuperDuper28: More so on their biggest day of the entire year


It's not their biggest day of the year. I don't think it's even in the top five.
 
2011-11-14 03:08:54 PM

tricycleracer: I'll be getting shiathammered in a bar on Thursday night, you know, to beat the crowds.


How dare that bar be open on Thanksgiving!!!!
 
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