You don't sanitize history as a kneejerk emotional reaction to what's happening now.

FirstNationalBastard: You don't sanitize history as a kneejerk emotional reaction to what's happening now.

he was actually molesting children in the past. when he was doing whatever got him that award.

talulahgosh: FirstNationalBastard: You don't sanitize history as a kneejerk emotional reaction to what's happening now.

he was actually molesting children in the past. when he was doing whatever got him that award.

You should learn the basic facts of the story before commenting.

talulahgosh: he was actually molesting children in the past.

Joe Paterno hasn't molested anyone farktard.

To wipe the name of the winningest 1A coach in history because of what someone else did is absurd.

GAT_00: talulahgosh: he was actually molesting children in the past.

Joe Paterno hasn't molested anyone farktard.

To wipe the name of the winningest 1A coach in history because of what someone else did is absurd.

When the NFL still recognizes OJ Simpson, everything else pales in comparison.

Sure, they don't go out of his way to promote him, but they don't gloss over the fact that he was the Bills in the 70s.

BigTuna: talulahgosh: FirstNationalBastard: You don't sanitize history as a kneejerk emotional reaction to what's happening now.

he was actually molesting children in the past. when he was doing whatever got him that award.

You should learn the basic facts of the story before commenting.

oh pardon me, he wasn't molesting children when he was coaching. well, that makes all the difference!
hurray for football!

talulahgosh: BigTuna: talulahgosh: FirstNationalBastard: You don't sanitize history as a kneejerk emotional reaction to what's happening now.

he was actually molesting children in the past. when he was doing whatever got him that award.

You should learn the basic facts of the story before commenting.

oh pardon me, he wasn't molesting children when he was coaching. well, that makes all the difference!
hurray for football!

Trying to figure out if this is a troll, or a retard, or both.

I think I'm watching too many cartoons. I read that as Ben Ten.

talulahgosh: BigTuna: talulahgosh: FirstNationalBastard: You don't sanitize history as a kneejerk emotional reaction to what's happening now.

he was actually molesting children in the past. when he was doing whatever got him that award.

You should learn the basic facts of the story before commenting.

oh pardon me, he wasn't molesting children when he was coaching. well, that makes all the difference!
hurray for football!

oh i see. sandusky did the molesting. you're right.
sandusky was molesting while joe paterno was coaching AND ignoring the molesting.
well, it looks like i stopped caring about this football award about.....two seconds ago. so i'll just stop posting now.

talulahgosh: oh pardon me, he wasn't molesting children when he was coaching. well, that makes all the difference!

Let me guess - you can't fathom why so many people are taking the side of a child molester, right? My original comment stands.

FirstNationalBastard: You don't sanitize history as a kneejerk emotional reaction to what's happening now.

No but it does not take a long in depth study to see that JoePa's behavior in this situation was not aboveboard or even close to the standards the Big Ten proclaims to stand for. Taking his name off the trophy till he clears his name (if that is even possible) seems prudent to do at least for this year. I think it was dumb to name the award for a coach who is still actively coaching/alive, stuff like this needs to be done posthumously.

Guess the only way to honor him now is to rename my kids JoePa and Paterno and Sandusky.

I agree with taking Joe's name off the trophy.... no, he isn't a "child molester" as talu seems to want to suggest, but, he does seem to be part of a larger "Penn St. over everything else" mantra that seems to have taken over the top levels of the community of State College, to where they at best were putting their heads in the sand over some horrific things.

dletter: I agree with taking Joe's name off the trophy.... no, he isn't a "child molester" as talu seems to want to suggest, but, he does seem to be part of a larger "Penn St. over everything else" mantra that seems to have taken over the top levels of the community of State College, to where they at best were putting their heads in the sand over some horrific things.

You do realize that town wouldn't even exist without the college, right? I wonder why they approve of the school?

How long until he's an un-person?

Sad and creepy.

2wolves: How long until he's an un-person?

Sad and creepy.

Oh knock it off. Joe farked up big time and deserves what he has coming to him. If he had done the right thing this would not even be a conversation.
Meanwhile out there is an anonymous 19 year old kid who is still haunted by the fact the man who raped him in a Penn State shower room got away with it for nearly a decade.

NuttierThanEver: 2wolves: How long until he's an un-person?

Sad and creepy.

Oh knock it off. Joe farked up big time and deserves what he has coming to him. If he had done the right thing this would not even be a conversation.
Meanwhile out there is an anonymous 19 year old kid who is still haunted by the fact the man who raped him in a Penn State shower room got away with it for nearly a decade.

It certainly starts with all of the top level people involved at Penn State, but, if you read the Grand Jury report... it is like some sort of systematic "protect Penn St. first" mantra... down to janitors not feeling like they can report something serious to the correct authorities.

i would just like to state that, yes, i got sandusky and paterno's names mixed up. which is to be expected when the media emphasizes paterno's story because he's the famous football coach, but sandusky was the actual molester.
anyway, apologies to all. didn't mean to troll.

One of the perks given to incoming freshmen on football scholarships -was being able to rape a five year old of their choice.

Because People in power are Stupid: One of the perks given to incoming freshmen on football scholarships -was being able to rape a five year old of their choice.

That's one aspect of Sandusky's defense I never thought of: he was just getting the kids use to homoerotic team building through hazing at an early age.

BigTuna: JoePa: Not a Child Rapist, but #1 with Child Rapists™

+1

itazurakko: lennavan: Perhaps here, the Big Ten is saying winning isn't the only important thing. Just thinkin out loud, stop me if I go crazy.

But winning games is what that trophy is about. If, objectively, the guy won the trophy, that should be recorded with all the rest, regardless of whatever else has gone on with his life or whatever punishments he needs now. Sports stats are just stats.

Maybe it is unclear to many what this trophy is.

This is a BRAND NEW Trophy that goes to the winner of the new "B1G TEN" Championship game, which this year will be the first year they have ever had a championship game. The trophy was to be named the "Paterno/Stagg Trophy", but, will now just be the "Stagg Trophy".

This isn't an issue like pulling a name off of the Stanley Cup where they list all the winners.

I think many in here who aren't familiar with this were just assuming things. Paterno didn't "win" anything with this trophy, they were just naming it after him.

IMO, even outside of all of the controversy issues over the past week, with Paterno still coaching at the time, I don't think they should have had his name on the trophy yet anyway.... you shouldn't be able to win a trophy named after yourself.

BigTuna: JoePa: Not a Child Rapist, but #1 with Child Rapists™

Excellent. And that's why you take his name off the trophy.

The password is: "transcend," as in "What Joe Paterno allowed to happen on his watch transcends all his football accomplishments. Every. One."

FirstNationalBastard: You don't sanitize history as a kneejerk emotional reaction to what's happening now.

Is it really a knee-jerk reaction? And do you really think this situation isn't going to be the first thing that comes to mind 20 years from now when Paterno's name is mentioned?

Someone mentioned OJ earlier in the thread. It's been nearly 20 years since those murders, but what's the first thing you think of when when you hear his name? The Heisman trophy? His 2003 rushing yards in 1973? Over 11,000 career rushing yards? The Naked Gun movies?

Nope. You think of two dead people and a white Ford Bronco.

Twenty years from now, when Paterno's name comes up, THIS will be what they remember. Not the national championship, not the career win total. A 10-year-old kid being raped in the shower by Jerry Sandusky on Paterno's watch.

That's why his name isn't on the trophy.

GAT_00: dletter: I agree with taking Joe's name off the trophy.... no, he isn't a "child molester" as talu seems to want to suggest, but, he does seem to be part of a larger "Penn St. over everything else" mantra that seems to have taken over the top levels of the community of State College, to where they at best were putting their heads in the sand over some horrific things.

You do realize that town wouldn't even exist without the college, right? I wonder why they approve of the school?

I'm a bit baffled by your defense of the cover up, GAT_00.

In the face of everything we've learned about the events of this sordid mess, one thing should be crystal clear, Paterno was directly informed that a close friend of his was anally raping a child in the Penn State locker room, by a person he apparently trusted enough to promote to assistant coach and groom to take over his job... and his only action was to drop the hot potato in the lap of the AD... then never questioned why nothing further had been done, while he continued his relationship with the alleged child molester and continued to see him at Penn State facilities, and he continued to enjoy close access to the children he was accused of raping.

WTF?

Paterno didn't act with honor, and demonstrated with an act of negligence (in the best light one can paint it) that everything people believed about him was wrong.

The Big Ten was certainly right to remove his name, if for no other reason than the controversy surrounding this whole mess.

At best, Paterno allowed more child rapes by not following up to make sure the AD had done his part... and at worst, was part of a downright evil and cynical cover up in a failed attempt to prevent his beloved program from being identified with such heinous acts. I can't fathom admiring or condoning Paterno's actions at any end of that spectrum.

FirstNationalBastard: You don't sanitize history as a kneejerk emotional reaction to what's happening now.

How much history is there behind that trophy? This is the first year they are giving it to anyone.

FirstNationalBastard: GAT_00: talulahgosh: he was actually molesting children in the past.

Joe Paterno hasn't molested anyone farktard.

To wipe the name of the winningest 1A coach in history because of what someone else did is absurd.

When the NFL still recognizes OJ Simpson, everything else pales in comparison.

Sure, they don't go out of his way to promote him, but they don't gloss over the fact that he was the Bills in the 70s.

Yeah, wake me when the NFL starts handing out a trophy with OJ's name.

GQueue: Nabb1: Yeah, wake me when the NFL starts handing out a trophy with OJ's name

I'd suggest giving it to the running back with the best cutback of the season.

Nice.