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(The Citizen)   School Head on rape claim: "Guys do this kind of thing, you have to get used to it"   (thelocal.se) divider line 139
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2011-11-14 03:05:19 PM  
Ya know... we have a solution to the problem of animals that can't control their sexual urges. It's called neutering. Quick, simple, and efficient. We do it all the time to dogs, cats, cattle, pigs, and horses. No reason at all that it can't also be done to humans that prove incapable of playing nicely with others.
 
2011-11-14 03:06:28 PM  
images.cheezburger.com

She deserved it. Riding her little pink bicycle in that form-fitting skirt.
 
2011-11-14 03:07:10 PM  
Now hold on there, Andrea Dworkin. I'm a guy and even a heterosexual one at that AND I have the dreaed white skin of the Devil, and I've never personally raped anyone. Not even unsuccessfully.
 
2011-11-14 03:08:16 PM  

RobSeace: Knara: Sybarite: 'boys will be boys'

I am so tired of that tautology.

Well, to be fair, it's only in statistically rare situations that boys won't be boys.

/also, gravity won't be gravity... there's a non zero chance, after all

Girls will be boys and boys will be girls
It's a mixed up muddled up, shook up world
Except for Lola, L-L-Lola


Holly came from Miami, Fla
Hitchhiked her way across the USA.
Plucked her eyebrows on the way
Shaved her leg and then he was she - she said:

Hey Babe, take a walk on the wild side,
Said hey honey, take a walk on the wild side.
 
2011-11-14 03:09:50 PM  

LordPomposity: Wow. Just unbelievable. I want to think most Americans are good people, but I just keep reading about them acting like this.


Well hope does spring eternal, you just have to remember that 30% of Americans still support torture, coincidentally 30% of Americans are the Republican base.
 
2011-11-14 03:10:10 PM  
Sweden; heaven for boys, hell for girls?
/mai non, mai non...
 
2011-11-14 03:11:57 PM  
Girls sometimes have to pluck both of a guy's eyeballs out of his skull like two hard boiled eggs in hand. You have to get used to it.
 
2011-11-14 03:12:40 PM  
Oh and for funny false rape-allegation stories a party associate takes the cake. She invites us girls out and then tells us she was raped by the guy she had went home with the previous week. We were all shocked and asked he what happened. She said first he came over and immediately asked for a bj which she did. That wasn't the rape part though. Then it moved onto penetration, but that wasn't the rape part. Then the backdoor, but THAT wasn't the rape part. I asked her then what was the problem and she said he had an STD, but didn't tell her ahead of time so THAT was rape. I asked if she asked him ahead of time about STDs or demanded he wear a rubber. She said no, but that doesn't mean anything since she was violated.

Turns out he was tested the week after their hookup so he didn't even know about it. She still took it to court and not only was the case thrown out, but now everyone knows she has crabs. I'm sure she didn't think it was funny, but I think it is hilarious. I'm SO glad we aren't really friends or I might feel sorry for her.

/might
//Nothing happened to the guy and he didn't get fired for the rape allegations
///He got fired for bringing drugs to work
////Winning?
 
2011-11-14 03:13:55 PM  

lordaction: Trollin' as hard as I can.


Recanting complaints is common and is usually done due to harassment.
The DNA study is on live cases, not convictions, that have been referred to the FBI where DNA needs to be evaluated. This includes rape cases where the victim doesn't know who the attacker is, so the fact that there's a 1/5 chance that the prime suspect (such as ex-boyfriend) is not guilty then that's good on the justice system but doesn't mean that the victim was lying. The 20% "inconclusive" means absolutely nothing.
Fairstein's comment seems to be taken out of context, and I'm having trouble finding it IN context considering that every result I come up with is linking me to sites like Freep and Anti-Misandry.

Regardless of how likely it is that rape claims are false, that wasn't what the principal in this article claimed. He dismissed the idea of trauma as "whining" and says that rapes within school happen all the time, contrary to the wholly stupid point you were trying to make.
 
2011-11-14 03:14:52 PM  
Suspicious lack of details about her allegations makes me suspicious of the veracity of her allegations.
"He told me he'd call me the next day, but didn't! It was rape!"
 
2011-11-14 03:16:27 PM  

Gwyrddu: It's Stockholm, the victim is suppose to have empathy and defend her attacker.


This made me happy.
 
2011-11-14 03:18:56 PM  
Sooo, he never called her back?
 
2011-11-14 03:19:39 PM  

serial_crusher: Suspicious lack of details about her allegations makes me suspicious of the veracity of her allegations.
"He told me he'd call me the next day, but didn't! It was rape!"


Because if there's one thing the internet needs, it's more info about what exactly happened to the 14 year old girl, which position, what color panties she was wearing, etc.
 
2011-11-14 03:19:44 PM  
Like sex with Kobe? Scream all you want, it's going to happen, then his wife will get a new diamond ring.
 
2011-11-14 03:21:13 PM  

lordaction: A Terrible Human: lordaction: Considering the most recent studies show over 80% of rape claims are false, I don't see what the big deal is.

Citation?

Sorry, meant to say 50%. Using the right hand numbers keys.

"According to a nine-year study conducted by former Purdue sociologist Eugene J. Kanin, in over 40 percent of the cases reviewed, the complainants eventually admitted that no rape had occurred (“Archives of Sexual Behavior,†Vol. 23, No. 1, 1994). Kanin also studied rape allegations in two large Midwestern universities and found that 50 percent of the allegations were recanted by the accuser.
...
Kanin's findings are hardly unique. In 1985 the Air Force conducted a study of 556 rape accusations. Over one quarter of the accusers admitted, either just before they took a lie detector test of after they had failed it, that no rape occurred. A further investigation by independent reviewers found that 60 percent of the original rape allegations were false.
...
According to a 1996 Department of Justice Report, of the roughly 10,000 sexual assault cases analyzed with DNA evidence over the previous seven years, 2,000 excluded the primary suspect, and another 2,000 were inconclusive. The report notes that these figures mirror an informal National Institute of Justice survey of private laboratories, and suggests that there exists "some strong, underlying systemic problems that generate erroneous accusations and convictions." (that's 40% for those not counting) ... That false allegations are a major problem has been confirmed by several prominent prosecutors, including Linda Fairstein, who heads the New York County District Attorney's Sex Crimes Unit. Fairstein, the author of “Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape,†says, "there are about 4,000 reports of rape each year in Manhattan. Of these, about half simply did not happen.


There is really no way of knowing how many of those recanted rape claims were recanted as a result of pressure/threats to the alleged victim. Not to say that some alleged victims don't lie, because they do, but I find these numbers to be suspect. Besides, all rape statistics are skewed anyway, by the simple fact that so many go unreported at all.
 
2011-11-14 03:23:44 PM  
Someone get to work on the signs, I'll go to home depot and get the pitchforks.
 
2011-11-14 03:27:08 PM  
Makes you wonder why they are still trying to get Assange if that is such a non issue over there
 
2011-11-14 03:27:47 PM  

Cpl.D: Someone get to work on the signs, I'll go to home depot and get the pitchforks.


Is it bad form to use the torch from this AM or does it have to be new every use.
Seems like a waste to me, perfectly good torch, got there late so it's only got about thirty minutes on it. . .
 
2011-11-14 03:31:37 PM  
The student reported the school to the Schools Inspectorate (Skolinspektionen), which has now forwarded the complaint to the Equality Ombudsmannen (Diskrimineringsombudsmannen - DO).

That can't really be a word, can it?
 
2011-11-14 03:35:40 PM  
Nobody noticed there's not one bit of specific information in here? Not even the principal's name, let alone an attempt to ask him if he really is a dick.

This "article" sounds like some kid came home from school with gossip and one of his parents wrote up the account.
 
2011-11-14 03:36:05 PM  

Gordon Bennett: Now hold on there, Andrea Dworkin. I'm a guy and even a heterosexual one at that AND I have the dreaed white skin of the Devil, and I've never personally raped anyone. Not even unsuccessfully.


There's no such thing as an unsuccessful rape, you're either raped or not raped. Like being "a little pregnant"
 
2011-11-14 03:36:40 PM  

wiredmaverick: The student reported the school to the Schools Inspectorate (Skolinspektionen), which has now forwarded the complaint to the Equality Ombudsmannen (Diskrimineringsombudsmannen - DO).

That can't really be a word, can it?


You should see Welsh. I've never seen so many consonants in one place. Was Wales hiding behind the door the day they handed out vowels or something?
 
2011-11-14 03:41:45 PM  

wiredmaverick: That can't really be a word, can it?


It's Swedish. I believe their version of "the" is something like "Omlaufkannislausimiposhscarybabygingersporty".
 
2011-11-14 03:43:06 PM  
Anyone else notice the article about the boy whose nipples were burned by an electric flyswatter?

www.electronicflyswatter.net

Those bullies must have had one long extension cord.
 
2011-11-14 03:43:13 PM  
"Guys do this kind of thing, you have to get used to it"

Really? Where was I when I was doing all that raping?
 
2011-11-14 03:45:02 PM  
The greatest thing about these threads is how coolerl heads always prevail in them.
 
2011-11-14 03:47:49 PM  
www.theclevelandfan.com
 
2011-11-14 03:50:35 PM  
I like that no one seems to have noticed that the only reference in the article to the principal's gender seems to imply that it's a woman.

According to the report, when the girl's mother called the principal to discuss her comments, the principal told her that her daughter "should concentrate on her studies" and "to stop focusing on these trivialities".

Love all the assumptions that it was obviously a guy, though; because honestly, only guys do this kind of thing, right? Boys will be boys, and all.
 
2011-11-14 03:52:50 PM  

Gwyrddu: It's Stockholm, the victim is suppose to have empathy and defend her attacker.


/thread
 
2011-11-14 03:53:24 PM  
Anytime statistics suggest that many rapes are false accusations, people without any evidence one way or another (besides their gut feeling on it) say the stats are all fudged up.

Anytime anyone with a guy feeling on it suggests that many rapes are false accusations, people say they need real statistics on it.

How do you win that battle? This girl probably wasn't raped, though she is highly likely a coont.
 
2011-11-14 03:54:01 PM  
*gut feeling
 
2011-11-14 03:56:40 PM  

lordaction: A Terrible Human: lordaction: Considering the most recent studies show over 80% of rape claims are false, I don't see what the big deal is.

Citation?

Sorry, meant to say 50%. Using the right hand numbers keys.

"According to a nine-year study conducted by former Purdue sociologist Eugene J. Kanin, in over 40 percent of the cases reviewed, the complainants eventually admitted that no rape had occurred (“Archives of Sexual Behavior,†Vol. 23, No. 1, 1994). Kanin also studied rape allegations in two large Midwestern universities and found that 50 percent of the allegations were recanted by the accuser.
...
Kanin's findings are hardly unique. In 1985 the Air Force conducted a study of 556 rape accusations. Over one quarter of the accusers admitted, either just before they took a lie detector test of after they had failed it, that no rape occurred. A further investigation by independent reviewers found that 60 percent of the original rape allegations were false.
...
According to a 1996 Department of Justice Report, of the roughly 10,000 sexual assault cases analyzed with DNA evidence over the previous seven years, 2,000 excluded the primary suspect, and another 2,000 were inconclusive. The report notes that these figures mirror an informal National Institute of Justice survey of private laboratories, and suggests that there exists "some strong, underlying systemic problems that generate erroneous accusations and convictions." (that's 40% for those not counting) ... That false allegations are a major problem has been confirmed by several prominent prosecutors, including Linda Fairstein, who heads the New York County District Attorney's Sex Crimes Unit. Fairstein, the author of “Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape,†says, "there are about 4,000 reports of rape each year in Manhattan. Of these, about half simply did not happen.


and I wonder how many go unreported. I have several girl friends who have been raped and never reported it. Its terrible that people would falsely accuse rape. Yet its also terrible that people would feel so stigmatised that they would not report it out of fear of being accused as being a liar or a manipulator.
 
2011-11-14 03:57:12 PM  
I suspect that this is just a case of bad translation, and the proper phrase should be something more like "sexual harassment."

At least I hope so.
 
2011-11-14 03:57:22 PM  

AISI: Ya know... we have a solution to the problem of animals that can't control their sexual urges. It's called neutering. Quick, simple, and efficient. We do it all the time to dogs, cats, cattle, pigs, and horses. No reason at all that it can't also be done to humans that prove incapable of playing nicely with others.


The problem with that is that rape is not primarily a sexual urge, it's a power trip. Convicted rapists who have undergone chemical castrations have still raped again. There are a fair number of rapists who are impotent.

It won't stop anyone from pulling out a baseball bat or other object....
 
2011-11-14 03:57:45 PM  

wiredmaverick: The student reported the school to the Schools Inspectorate (Skolinspektionen), which has now forwarded the complaint to the Equality Ombudsmannen (Diskrimineringsombudsmannen - DO).

That can't really be a word, can it?


It's almost a word in English, discrimination and ombudsman, so why not? Also why isn't it just translated as is? Am I paying taxes because someones retarded nephew, working a cushy government job making up international titles, can't get a real job?

/Actually it's just the Local making a mistake.
//Täby has sold all their schools. Lowest bidder never fails.
 
2011-11-14 04:00:16 PM  
"HER" comments. Apparently the school head is a woman. And no specifics at all in the article. I can't help but wonder if it wasn't some bully popping her bra or something and not actual rape.

When I was in middle school there was a girl I thought was cute. In my punk mind I decided the appropriate way to handle this was to unhook her bra through her shirt after school. After about the third time she turned around looked me straight in the eyes and kneed me right in the nads. Lesson learned. I never did it again.
 
2011-11-14 04:08:16 PM  

wiredmaverick: The student reported the school to the Schools Inspectorate (Skolinspektionen), which has now forwarded the complaint to the Equality Ombudsmannen (Diskrimineringsombudsmannen - DO).

That can't really be a word, can it?


Did you get tired halfway through like I did and read it as Diskriminerinkydinkydink?

/diskriminerinkidoo
//obscure
 
2011-11-14 04:39:16 PM  
It's funny what kind of news TheLocal.se reports sometimes. It is usually controversial or stupid events, premade for sites like FARK.com, no further selection needed. Controversial events like this would be big news here in Sweden and be picked up by all newsmedia. Only problem is that I have spent the last half hour trying to find another news article that mentions this event, and I can't find it. I'm not saying it didn't happen, but if no other reports on it, maybe it didn't happen that way...
 
2011-11-14 04:44:12 PM  
lordaction 2011-11-14 02:55:19 PM
A Terrible Human: lordaction: Considering the most recent studies show over 80% of rape claims are false, I don't see what the big deal is.

Citation?

Sorry, meant to say 50%. Using the right hand numbers keys.

"According to a nine-year study conducted by former Purdue sociologist Eugene J. Kanin, in over 40 percent of the cases reviewed, the complainants eventually admitted that no rape had occurred (“Archives of Sexual Behavior,†Vol. 23, No. 1, 1994). Kanin also studied rape allegations in two large Midwestern universities and found that 50 percent of the allegations were recanted by the accuser.

Link (new window)

Criticism of Dr. Kanin's report include Dr. David Lisak, an associate professor of psychology, and director of the Men's Sexual Trauma Research Project at the University of Massachusetts, Boston. In the September/October 2007 issue of the Sexual Assault Report he states "Kanin's 1994 article on false allegations is a provocative opinion piece, but it is not a scientific study of the issue of false reporting of rape. It certainly should never be used to assert a scientific foundation for the frequency of false allegations." He further states "[Dr. Kanin] simply reiterates the opinions of the police officers who concluded that the cases in question were 'false allegations.'" Lisak cites page 13 of Investigating Sexual Assaults from the International Association of Chiefs of Police which says polygraph tests for sexual assault victims are contradicted in the investigation process and that their use is "based on the misperception that a significant percentage of sexual assault reports are false...It is noteworthy that the police department from which Kanin derived his data threatened to use the polygraph in every case...The fact that it was the standard procedure of this department provides a window on the biases of the officers who conducted the rape investigations, biases that were then echoed in Kanin's unchallenged reporting of their findings." Lisak later performed his own study, published in 2010 in Violence Against Women, which found a false allegation rate of 5.9%.

According to a 1996 Department of Justice Report, of the roughly 10,000 sexual assault cases analyzed with DNA evidence over the previous seven years, 2,000 excluded the primary suspect, and another 2,000 were inconclusive.


Inconclusive does not mean that a rape didn't happen. Not to mention the fact that the woman may not have been able to identify her attacker and thus someone else rather the primary suspect committed the rape.

But go on and tell yourself that us crazy wimmins just make shiat up the hell of it.
 
2011-11-14 04:49:29 PM  

hobblekitty: There is really no way of knowing how many of those recanted rape claims were recanted as a result of pressure/threats to the alleged victim. Not to say that some alleged victims don't lie, because they do, but I find these numbers to be suspect. Besides, all rape statistics are skewed anyway, by the simple fact that so many go unreported at all.


There's really no reason to expect that many if any of those recanted rape claims were due to pressure or threats.

And given that it opens the accuser up to charges of filing a false claim and/or slander, it's not really a smart way to go.

And I'm always irked by the "many rapes go unreported" metric. How the hell do we know? If they're unreported, it means that there is no record. And if we haven't actually established in a court of law that what happened WAS rape, then I don't think adding more false accusations or past regrets to the list counts as "many rapes going unreported".


I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but I'd need more than the anonymous supposed victim's word that they were raped because I consider it an unreported crime. Artificially inflating crime statistics like this just serves to try and demonize men.
 
2011-11-14 04:51:40 PM  

drb9: But was it rape rape?


It was "surprise sex"...
 
2011-11-14 04:55:53 PM  

apoptotic: Unless the US colonized Sweden while I wasn't paying attention, this involved zero Americans.


Don't give them any ideas.
 
2011-11-14 04:57:13 PM  

sidcart42: See what happens when you call things rape that aren't rape? We have no idea how serious they are, because you've gone and destroyed the meaning of the word we're ready to turn vigilante over.


Ok, I'll bite ... what things that are not rape do people call rape?
 
2011-11-14 05:07:23 PM  

dlewis6: Anytime statistics suggest that many rapes are false accusations, people without any evidence one way or another (besides their gut feeling on it) say the stats are all fudged up.

Anytime anyone with a guy feeling on it suggests that many rapes are false accusations, people say they need real statistics on it.

How do you win that battle? This girl probably wasn't raped, though she is highly likely a coont.


I'm rather hoping that you don't "win" this particular "battle." But if you'd like a change of pace, you could try taking up Intelligent Design or Climate Change denial. I hear that they're treated shamefully unfairly, too. Maybe you guys can share a beer and commiserate together.
 
2011-11-14 05:12:05 PM  

ciberido: Ok, I'll bite ... what things that are not rape do people call rape?


"What the hell did I drink last night and who the hell is this guy?"
"I feel guilty about having done that for whatever reason but my guilt couldn't possibly be due to my own choices so it must have been coercion."
"I hate this guy and want to ruin his life."
"I don't want to have sex but I don't want to tell him no or resist so I'll just be uncomfortable and unhappy and call it date rape tomorrow".

Etc. Those kinds of things pop up in these kinds of cases fairly often, when they either retract the accusation or it gets thrown out.
 
2011-11-14 05:12:35 PM  
Someone Should kick him in the nuts and tell him sometimes boys do that
 
2011-11-14 05:32:41 PM  

tothekor: lordaction: A Terrible Human: lordaction: Considering the most recent studies show over 80% of rape claims are false, I don't see what the big deal is.

Citation?

Sorry, meant to say 50%. Using the right hand numbers keys.

"According to a nine-year study conducted by former Purdue sociologist Eugene J. Kanin, in over 40 percent of the cases reviewed, the complainants eventually admitted that no rape had occurred (“Archives of Sexual Behavior,†Vol. 23, No. 1, 1994). Kanin also studied rape allegations in two large Midwestern universities and found that 50 percent of the allegations were recanted by the accuser.
...
Kanin's findings are hardly unique. In 1985 the Air Force conducted a study of 556 rape accusations. Over one quarter of the accusers admitted, either just before they took a lie detector test of after they had failed it, that no rape occurred. A further investigation by independent reviewers found that 60 percent of the original rape allegations were false.
...
According to a 1996 Department of Justice Report, of the roughly 10,000 sexual assault cases analyzed with DNA evidence over the previous seven years, 2,000 excluded the primary suspect, and another 2,000 were inconclusive. The report notes that these figures mirror an informal National Institute of Justice survey of private laboratories, and suggests that there exists "some strong, underlying systemic problems that generate erroneous accusations and convictions." (that's 40% for those not counting) ... That false allegations are a major problem has been confirmed by several prominent prosecutors, including Linda Fairstein, who heads the New York County District Attorney's Sex Crimes Unit. Fairstein, the author of “Sexual Violence: Our War Against Rape,†says, "there are about 4,000 reports of rape each year in Manhattan. Of these, about half simply did not happen.

Referencing "1994," "1985," "1996" and you're trying to convince me this applied to today? I don't think so, Tim. Try something using more up to date figures.


you're silly! {~;
 
2011-11-14 05:33:16 PM  
Approves

www.mediaite.com
 
2011-11-14 05:57:31 PM  
This sounds like a situation where the girl went along and then afterwards when the guy didn't want to have anything to do with her she claimed rape and the attempted rape was when she let him get to second base the date before. The boys will be boys statement makes sense in this context as her telling the girl that he had is way with you and dumped you. The guy would be an arse, but not a rapist.
 
2011-11-14 06:15:40 PM  
The Kanin study was crap. He studied one medium-sized town over the course of a small period of time.

All he showed was that there was something seriously wrong in that single town. I suspect that the real problem was that they had a cop who was unusually good at bullying women into dropping the charges.
 
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