It's funny...ha ha... how he wants to make the federal government "inconsequential in people's lives", but has no problem making the state government as big as he wants. Apparently government is only evil at the federal level.

Friggin' docuhe.

Perry pulled an Ayn Rand? Color me shocked.

MayoSlather: Apparently government is only evil at the federal level.

Governor Romney agrees.

Non-story. Overzealous grant application writer.

Peter von Nostrand: Rick Perry is a hypocrite about Federal spending. This was timely news on January 21, 2009

To be fair, it's not hypocrisy to say "I want all federal spending on X to end, but until it does, it's not fair for the people in my state to pay federal income taxes to support X going to people in other states, so we will continue to ask for and receive X until no one has to pay for anyone to get it."

For the record, I'm a liberal and I don't agree with Perry on much of anything. But this is a non-issue.

This isn't news. Eric Cantor has been doing the same thing for years.

On the one hand, watching Rick Perry finally be exposed and humiliated on a nation-wide basis for the semi-retarded corporate-cock chuggling asshole that he is givez me a happy.

On the other hand, knowing that after this campaign finally crashes and burns he'll still be governor of Texas until 2014? Now I haz a sad.

I once asked a professor (avowed communist and a big fan of East Germany) if Noam Chomsky taking advantage of the trust funds he was against wasn't an example hypocrisy.

He said it wasn't because Noam was just "playing the game" he had to in order to survive in the current economic climate.

Okay, the pacing is way off in this race. This guy is pretty much done, Cain is near there and Bachman is now long irrelevant. The derp is peaking way too soon. I so wanted Perry or Cain vs. Obama. Such high entertainment value wasted because people found out too much about them too soon and now it'll end up being Mr. Boring Romney. I am disappoint.

He probably just forgot

Republicanism: Where hypocrisy is the only way to be responsible and get things done.

MayoSlather: It's funny...ha ha... how he wants to make the federal government "inconsequential in people's lives", but has no problem making the state government as big as he wants. Apparently government is only evil at the federal level.

Close, but no cigar. Government is only evil when the other team is in charge

MayoSlather: It's funny...ha ha... how he wants to make the federal government "inconsequential in people's lives", but has no problem making the state government as big as he wants. Apparently government is only evil at the federal level.

That was the point of just about every civil rights article in the Nationalist Review from the 50s and 60s.

This isn't so different from RON PAUL whining about federal spending and the "unconstitutional" acts of Congress that he votes against all while earmarking lots of money his way in those same unconstitutional bills.

Tommy Moo: Peter von Nostrand: Rick Perry is a hypocrite about Federal spending. This was timely news on January 21, 2009

To be fair, it's not hypocrisy to say "I want all federal spending on X to end, but until it does, it's not fair for the people in my state to pay federal income taxes to support X going to people in other states, so we will continue to ask for and receive X until no one has to pay for anyone to get it."

For the record, I'm a liberal and I don't agree with Perry on much of anything. But this is a non-issue.

I liked Pete's reply, but would like to add, "do you really think he's thought that much about it? Much less could articulate that rationalization in any way, shape, or form as well as you just did?"

Guy's a damned idiot, remember.

MayoSlather: It's funny...ha ha... how he wants to make the federal government "inconsequential in people's lives", but has no problem making the state government as big as he wants. Apparently government is only evil at the federal level.

That's because state governments aren't powerful enough to fight international corporations for the public benefit, and anything they try to do can be overturned at the Federal level.

However, if money = influence, none of them ever do a damn thing to reduce the influence of the Federal government on states by establishing their own institutions to make federal dollars unnecessary. I wish I could say I was shocked the fourteenth time I see "Republican governor who thinks the entire Federal government should be just him and two other guys working in a basement rakes in sixty zillion dollars in filthy filthy federal cash" stories.

Why shouldn't Perry do this? Hypocrisy from conservative candidates never hurts them. In fact it often seems to be point of pride for them.

Peter von Nostrand: Rick Perry is a hypocrite about Federal spending. This was timely news on January 21, 2009

As long as the feds are gonna tax us and the only way to get it back is via "programs" and payments to states, it's entirely consistent to cadge every dollar possible out of them while decrying the need to do so.

MayoSlather: Apparently government is only evil at the federal level.

You don't know how right you are.

/which is sad
//thanks a lot
///now i has a sad
//wtf am i gonna do with this pos

I'll do the Tea Party one better: I want my county government to be more powerful than the state or federal.

I've said it before: the chief objection elected Republicans have to "Obamacare" is that Obama and the Democrats might get credit for it and thus gain political advantage. Virtually all of the ideas in it, most particularly the mandate, are things that Republicans themselves proposed in the 90's as an alternative to single payer. The reason Republicans instantly turned on it is not that they hate all of the specific things in it; it's that they weren't getting credit for it (and their whole political strategy is now based around denying the other side any accomplishments that they can point to when it comes to election time). Any objective analysis of the healthcare reform Act should conclude that it's actually not very "socialist" at all, in that it relies heavily on privatized insurance, so this is the only conclusion that makes sense in understanding the motivations of elected Republicans in opposing it. That's why their "repeal and replace" plan involved simply reenacting most of the popular parts of "Obamacare" after repealing it all...they simply want to receive the credit for it.

The baggers may have been stupid enough to actually believe that "Obamacare" was socialist, full of death panels, etc, all the facts to the contrary be damned. But elected Republicans know better, and have simply exploited the naive fears and paranoia of the Teabagger base to generate opposition to an idea (the mandate) that they themselves invented and would have actually supported it had it been proposed by a Republican. Republican motivations make a lot more sense once you understand that EVERYTHING for their leaders is driven by political motives: they simply attack where the perceive the weak point in their opponents' ideas. In this case, that was by ginning up faux-libertarian objections to the mandate. Their base then just blindly follows, once the "approved" attack line is set.

Hold on, let me check...yes, the name of this day ends in a "y!"

jjorsett: Peter von Nostrand: Rick Perry is a hypocrite about Federal spending. This was timely news on January 21, 2009

As long as the feds are gonna tax us and the only way to get it back is via "programs" and payments to states, it's entirely consistent to cadge every dollar possible out of them while decrying the need to do so.

According to Perry and Cantor these Federal programs can't create jobs. Not that it's a bad idea but that it doesn't work. So there is no point in taking the money.

I just have one question. According to the lastest data from way back in Fiscal Year 2005, Texas was the only Red State to pay more to the Federal coffers than it took out. But even then, we're looking at a downward trend (new window), from only taking 81 cents per $1 in 1981 to scraping close to parity for the last three years the (Koch-funded, libertarian) Tax Foundation have published figures.

So here's the one question.

Is Texas now a moocher?

Because if it is, it makes every Red State a Welfare State and kills the right-wing fiscal dogma for good. It takes every mention of bootstraps and shows just how giving the Blue States really are.

Tommy Moo: To be fair, it's not hypocrisy to say "I want all federal spending on X to end, but until it does, it's not fair for the people in my state to pay federal income taxes to support X going to people in other states, so we will continue to ask for and receive X until no one has to pay for anyone to get it."

Actually, it is hypocrisy and it's become a convenient excuse for Republicans "Oh I hate federal spending, but since the Democrats are forcing me to take it what can I do?".

If you truly believe that the federal government is innately malignant and detrimental to society, treat it as such all the time, including the days it's writing out checks.

Jindal is another Republican hypocrite. Publicly railing against the stimulus, weeks later he was grandstanding with oversized novelty checks for various projects. Only he conveniently failed to mention that it was the same stimulus cash he launched so much rhetoric against. What sucks is that these photo-ops made it appear that Jindal himself was doing good for the state, and he did nothing to discourage presumptions that these projects were Jindal initiatives.

The Texas state government used magical accounting procedures to sweep and delay their $27 billion dollar deficit under the rug for this fiscal year so Perry could run on for president. Now Perry's screwed the pooch and this simpleton is gong to be back here and charge when the credit card bill comes in the mail for FY 2013, and it's going to be a motherfarker.

If you're poor and/or a woman and/or a minority and/or fireman or policeman or teacher or any other type of public servant in Texas ... Perry is about to take his failed Presidential aspirations out on your arse in FY 2013. Might want to lube up and bite down on a stick.

InmanRoshi: The Texas state government used magical accounting procedures to sweep and delay their $27 billion dollar deficit under the rug for this fiscal year so Perry could run on for president. Now Perry's screwed the pooch and this simpleton is gong to be back here and charge when the credit card bill comes in the mail for FY 2013, and it's going to be a motherfarker.

If you're poor and/or a woman and/or a minority and/or fireman or policeman or teacher or any other type of public servant in Texas ... Perry is about to take his failed Presidential aspirations out on youra rse in FY 2013. Might want to lube up and bite down on a stick.

Standard GOP governor tactics. Bob McDonnell in Virginia did something similar, withholding some $620 million that the state owed to the state pension system so that he could claim he had created a "surplus" of $311 million. A bunch of idiots ate his claim up, without even being aware of the shady accounting involved in it. Expect him to end up on the short list of Republican VP running mates next year, based on this fraudulent claim.

Republican "fiscal conservatism": create fake surpluses this year by selling out the future. After all, it'll probably be some Democrat's problem by the time it catches up to us. Why are people stupid enough to fall for this?

Mnemia: Republican "fiscal conservatism": create fake surpluses this year by selling out the future. After all, it'll probably be some Democrat's problem by the time it catches up to us. Why are people stupid enough to fall for this?

Because the average American is, in fact, stupid.

mrshowrules: Jackpot777: I just have one question. According to the lastest data from way back in Fiscal Year 2005, Texas was the only Red State to pay more to the Federal coffers than it took out. But even then, we're looking at a downward trend (new window), from only taking 81 cents per $1 in 1981 to scraping close to parity for the last three years the (Koch-funded, libertarian) Tax Foundation have published figures.

So here's the one question.

Is Texas now a moocher?

Because if it is, it makes every Red State a Welfare State and kills the right-wing fiscal dogma for good. It takes every mention of bootstraps and shows just how giving the Blue States really are.

Many of Canada's moocher versus breadwinner Provinces have flipped. For many years Quebec and Ontario have funded Provinces like Newfoundland and Saskatchewan. Now places like Newfoundland and Saskatchewan are subsidizing the some of the big Provinces.

The difference between the US and in Canada is that when a Province is mooching here, they generally keep their mouth shut about Federal spending.

The Red States are basically the Craig T. Nelson in terms of credibility (i.e., I never took a penny from Government even when I was on food stamps)

It's maddening, isn't it. My favorite is the white guy on food stamps who whines about being taxed enough already. I live in a liberal, permissive city but the state is red as all hell, and it's full of poor white people screaming about the fed while being direct and indirect beneficiaries of it.

One night, about a month after Katrina, I had a conversation with some idiot. You could tell he was poor (no education, gnarly teeth, etc) but here he was biatching about what would later become Tea Party sound bites. And then - I farking swear - the guy pulls out a bottle of Crown and says "Heh, since I got my FEMA money I can drink the good shiat!"

I wanted to strangle him then and there, and damn near did. Sometimes you just gotta beat people when you can't reason with them.

Back in the day, Louisiana had radical (actually radical, not what they accuse Obama of) politicians like Huey Long - a borderline socialist - and the public absolutely loved him. "Every man a king" would now be seen as an outrage by the very same demographic he was serving (like the guy in my above story) The entire state, except for much of New Orleans and Baton Rouge, now hates the very government they depend on. That's the power of propaganda.

MayoSlather: It's funny...ha ha... how he wants to make the federal government "inconsequential in people's lives", but has no problem making the state government as big as he wants. Apparently government is only evil at the federal level.

This is the definition of Republican. The thought is that citizens have more influence over smaller more local governments and these governments can therefor tailor their laws to the specific demographics. Federal laws are one size fits all approach. This is why as a republican, I am completely okay with Romney's healthcare law, they can do whatever the heck they want. I just don't want to pay into somebody's healthcare that is living in Alaska.

Also, not that I am a fan of Perry (definietly not), these state/federal issues are more complicated than any article can explain. They typically are more closely related to extortion than anything else. They take you're tax base's money and then use it to leverage changes to policy that are beyond the federal government's constitutional authority.


... why am I even commenting on a political thread. leaving and not coming back.

jjorsett: As long as the feds are gonna tax us and the only way to get it back is via "programs" and payments to states, it's entirely consistent to cadge every dollar possible out of them while decrying the need to do so.

Someone on fark a while back said it the best:
"I'm against all those morally reprehensible gays farking in the park, but I'm not about to pass up sucking on a large cock if it's offered to me when I'm doing a quick walk through."

Just because the money has already been taxed, stand up for your supposed convictions and stop begging for the money while at the same time garnering votes for railing against it.

So Rick Perry the President would refuse to give Rick Perry the governor the money that Rick Perry was asking Rick Perry for?

/Rick Perry

depmode98: jjorsett: As long as the feds are gonna tax us and the only way to get it back is via "programs" and payments to states, it's entirely consistent to cadge every dollar possible out of them while decrying the need to do so.

Someone on fark a while back said it the best:
"I'm against all those morally reprehensible gays farking in the park, but I'm not about to pass up sucking on a large cock if it's offered to me when I'm doing a quick walk through."

Just because the money has already been taxed, stand up for your supposed convictions and stop begging for the money while at the same time garnering votes for railing against it.

"Keep your damned money, I'm standing on principle" would be a fine philosophy if said money hadn't been sucked out of your pocket originally, and is therefore yours. Eliminate the taxes that gave it to the feds and I'll be for the "keep your damned money" stance all the way. Until then, the only logical tactic is to try to get as much of it back as possible to mitigate the damage.

InmanRoshi: Tommy Moo: To be fair, it's not hypocrisy to say "I want all federal spending on X to end, but until it does, it's not fair for the people in my state to pay federal income taxes to support X going to people in other states, so we will continue to ask for and receive X until no one has to pay for anyone to get it."

Actually, it is hypocrisy and it's become a convenient excuse for Republicans "Oh I hate federal spending, but since the Democrats are forcing me to take it what can I do?".

If you truly believe that the federal government is innately malignant and detrimental to society, treat it as such all the time, including the days it's writing out checks.

Just like if you believe big corporations are evil and detrimental to society you should refrain from updating your blog via iphone.

Right?

You mean a state that pays federal taxes actually has the gaul to want some of their money back?

randomjsa: You mean a state that pays federal taxes actually has the gaul to want some of their money back?

They get back a larger share than they put in, but don't let things like that confuse you.