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2011-11-14 04:50:00 AM
Oh boy! Is this the thread where we get to be annoyingly smug about not ever having had FB accounts? YAY!
 
2011-11-14 04:55:05 AM
If FB has 1,222 pages, I'd hate to know how much Google has on this guy.
 
2011-11-14 04:55:19 AM
untaken_name: Oh boy! Is this the thread where we get to be annoyingly smug about not ever having had FB accounts? YAY!

Can we be annoyingly smug about other things?
 
2011-11-14 04:57:57 AM
leehouse: untaken_name: Oh boy! Is this the thread where we get to be annoyingly smug about not ever having had FB accounts? YAY!

Can we be annoyingly smug about other things?


Well, you've certainly got my permission. Go forth, and either annoy people smugly, or smugly annoy them, your choice.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-11-14 04:59:34 AM
Is this the thread where we get to be annoyingly smug about not ever having had FB accounts?

No, this is the thread where we wonder how many pages of data Facebook has about non-users who got infected with tracking cookies or even non-cookie tracking.
 
2011-11-14 05:02:31 AM
No, this is the thread where we wonder how many pages of data Facebook has about non-users who got infected with tracking cookies or even non-cookie tracking.

Right, like anyone's going to spend any time wondering about that. Everyone's behind 7 Boxxies, aren't they?
 
2011-11-14 05:03:44 AM
I've never even SEEN Facebook because I don't even OWN a TV!
 
2011-11-14 05:09:43 AM
Just think how many "pages" of information neighbors in small villages had about each other hundreds and thousands of years ago. Yet now, I don't even know the name of the people who live three feet away from me in the neighboring flats.

All that info that Facebook has may be about you, but it's not all about you.
Few people even care if you live or die.

/and on that happy note.....
 
2011-11-14 05:36:06 AM
You lemmings can have your Facebooks and your Tweeters. The rest of us work for a living and have lives to live. Hell, I've never even been on the internet before and I don't plan to start now.
 
2011-11-14 05:37:06 AM
The number one rule of the Internet: NEVER put anything on the Internet that you don't want people to see or that may one day come back to haunt you, because it's never really gone.

Imagine, if you will, what Google has on you. They index everything.Yeah, I know, you can deny their spider indexer, but if even a single bit of data is placed on somebody else's website without your permission it's kept forever somewhere.

People know only what I want them to know about me. That's why I don't put up pictures by the thousands of me drunk off my ass holding beer bottles with drunk duck-faced women. Of course, I don't drink anymore, but the principle holds.

It's a simple thing: use your head, don't act like a jackass or say stupid things, and you have nothing to worry about. Act the fool and think that you can get rid of the evidence later and you're in for a hell of a rude awakening, especially when you show up for a job interview and they lay your drunken internet history in your lap. Or worse, you're in the military and you get captured and your captors use your information against you (it happens).
 
2011-11-14 05:37:59 AM
So?

I dont understand the big deal. Why put anything on the net that isnt for public consumption? It isnt facebook or anybodies fault if your dumbass puts up information or pictures that are damaging to you.

Also: YOU AGREED TO THEM DOING THIS WHEN YOU SIGNED UP.

Which is not much differnt then the morons (like myself when I was younger) who signed a car loan that was a bad deal. You still agreed to the terms spelled out right in front of you.
 
2011-11-14 05:42:34 AM
From a technical standpoint - how else can it work?

Everything you see on Facebook is stored in some database somewhere. Every like, every friend, every picture - it *has* to exist somewhere. So, umm, duh.
 
2011-11-14 05:44:47 AM
Also, I use FB a lot. Lots of political stuff and I post a lot. I like the targeted ads.and offers for services and products that appeal to me. If I'm going to look at ads I'd rather see ads for beer and progressive politics then tampons and daycare services.
 
2011-11-14 05:46:40 AM
Nuclear Pancake: Also: YOU AGREED TO THEM DOING THIS WHEN YOU SIGNED UP.

nevernotanerd.com

Nobody ever reads those things!
 
2011-11-14 05:48:20 AM
If it finds Facebook to have been in the wrong, it can ask the company to mend its ways, and if the firm refuses, a court could then fine it up to 100,000 euros (S$146,706).

Woah!

They better straighten up & fly right or they may find themselves bankrupt!
 
2011-11-14 05:49:05 AM
Nuclear Pancake: Also, I use FB a lot. Lots of political stuff and I post a lot. I like the targeted ads.and offers for services and products that appeal to me. If I'm going to look at ads I'd rather see ads for beer and progressive politics then tampons and daycare services.

In the year 2011 you still see ads? Really?

If only there were a program that could help you with that...
 
2011-11-14 05:51:09 AM
Adolf Oliver Nipples: In the year 2011 you still see ads? Really?
If only there were a program that could help you with that...


Through advertisements, I've actually found stuff that I'm really glad I bought.
Funny how that works.
 
2011-11-14 05:53:54 AM
It's a very simple rule...

If you post it on the internet... it's public.

So just don't post shiat on the internet you don't want to be public.
 
2011-11-14 05:54:21 AM
And I've never purchased anything through a targeted ad, and I'm really glad I didn't.

Different strokes, I guess. but I digress.
 
2011-11-14 06:02:29 AM
0Icky0: Through advertisements, I've actually found stuff that I'm really glad I bought.
Funny how that works.


I also truly enjoy my large collection of CZ jewelry, miracle auto wax, and C-list-celebrity-endorsed cosmetics.
 
2011-11-14 06:03:09 AM
I like to collect information the old fashioned way, using spybots and info-squitos.
 
2011-11-14 06:06:19 AM
Adolf Oliver Nipples: And I've never purchased anything through a targeted ad, and I'm really glad I didn't.

Wow. That's so cool.
You're like the Anti-Consumer.
 
2011-11-14 06:13:47 AM
Adolf Oliver Nipples: And I've never purchased anything through a targeted ad, and I'm really glad I didn't.

Different strokes, I guess. but I digress.


Think of all the awesome free stuff you can get on the internet. Free e-mail, free web hosting, free storage, free games, free videos, free jokes, free pictures, free news....Virtually all of it is funded by ads.

Advocating an ad-free internet isn't 'bad' but I'm always sceptical when people advocate everyone blocking ads without explaining how these companies will continue to fund themselves on the internet. Do you think we'd all be better off with micro-transactions? You pay $1 per month for Facebook, $1 for Google, etc, etc? Do companies just pack up shop and end their internet presence? Do you think 'someone else' will just continue to provide awesome content and not expect anything in return because it's a nice thing to do?

I'm just curious. Getting rid of ads is changing a fundemental cornerstone of the internet.
 
2011-11-14 06:19:46 AM
Fark_Guy_Rob: Advocating an ad-free internet isn't 'bad' but I'm always sceptical when people advocate everyone blocking ads without explaining how these companies will continue to fund themselves on the internet.

The majority of internet users aren't power users and will never even hear of ad-blocking software. I would also guess that most people who hear of it aren't going to actually install the adblocking software. I don't think you have to worry about Fark putting ad-supported sites out of business. ;)
 
2011-11-14 06:24:20 AM
Nuclear Pancake: So?

I dont understand the big deal. Why put anything on the net that isnt for public consumption? It isnt facebook or anybodies fault if your dumbass puts up information or pictures that are damaging to you.

Also: YOU AGREED TO THEM DOING THIS WHEN YOU SIGNED UP.

Which is not much differnt then the morons (like myself when I was younger) who signed a car loan that was a bad deal. You still agreed to the terms spelled out right in front of you.


Facebook would work just as smooth without saving every damn IP adress I logged in from for the last five years. It isn't necessary for facebook to keep messages in their database that the users deleted years ago. Facebook stores all e-mail adresses that belong to you - and not only those you put in yourself, but also those it can find when your friends sync their mobile phones with facebook. If someone tags you in a photo, the tag can't be deleted, the information will only be hidden. Facebook even saves stuff about you if you don't sign up.
There can be information about you on facebook that might become damaging to you in the future. Just think about a country turning into a dictatorship - suddenly a political event you attended years ago (according to your facebook account) might get you into trouble. And as long as you don't have the power to delete stuff, you are at the mercy of facebook.
 
2011-11-14 06:25:34 AM
Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nuclear Pancake: Also, I use FB a lot. Lots of political stuff and I post a lot. I like the targeted ads.and offers for services and products that appeal to me. If I'm going to look at ads I'd rather see ads for beer and progressive politics then tampons and daycare services.

In the year 2011 you still see ads? Really?

If only there were a program that could help you with that...


Hehe, I know. I just honestly havent reinstalled adbloc and no script since last reformat.

/lazy
 
2011-11-14 06:27:10 AM
0Icky0: Adolf Oliver Nipples: In the year 2011 you still see ads? Really?
If only there were a program that could help you with that...

Through advertisements, I've actually found stuff that I'm really glad I bought.
Funny how that works.


This too, most sites I reallly dont notice them as well.
 
2011-11-14 06:43:37 AM
Klopfer: Nuclear Pancake: So?

I dont understand the big deal. Why put anything on the net that isnt for public consumption? It isnt facebook or anybodies fault if your dumbass puts up information or pictures that are damaging to you.

Also: YOU AGREED TO THEM DOING THIS WHEN YOU SIGNED UP.

Which is not much differnt then the morons (like myself when I was younger) who signed a car loan that was a bad deal. You still agreed to the terms spelled out right in front of you.

Facebook would work just as smooth without saving every damn IP adress I logged in from for the last five years. It isn't necessary for facebook to keep messages in their database that the users deleted years ago. Facebook stores all e-mail adresses that belong to you - and not only those you put in yourself, but also those it can find when your friends sync their mobile phones with facebook. If someone tags you in a photo, the tag can't be deleted, the information will only be hidden. Facebook even saves stuff about you if you don't sign up.
There can be information about you on facebook that might become damaging to you in the future. Just think about a country turning into a dictatorship - suddenly a political event you attended years ago (according to your facebook account) might get you into trouble. And as long as you don't have the power to delete stuff, you are at the mercy of facebook.


If we get to the point a dictator is rounding up every person based on their prior political leanings they posted on facebook, I'm pretty sure they would have made me disappear or killed me beforehand.

Again: FREE service, dont like dont use it.

Would I be open to some very specific legislation to help protect a reasonable level of privacy for non facebook users and full disclosure of their bussiness practices to users? Absolutely.
 
2011-11-14 06:56:53 AM
This is why I post very little information on Facebook. Facebook knows what high school I went to, what college I went to, what I looked like with long hair, and that I "like" pictures of cats.
 
2011-11-14 07:00:28 AM
untaken_name: Fark_Guy_Rob: Advocating an ad-free internet isn't 'bad' but I'm always sceptical when people advocate everyone blocking ads without explaining how these companies will continue to fund themselves on the internet.

The majority of internet users aren't power users and will never even hear of ad-blocking software. I would also guess that most people who hear of it aren't going to actually install the adblocking software. I don't think you have to worry about Fark putting ad-supported sites out of business. ;)


I totally agree with you. But when someone says something like, "In the year 2011 you still see ads? Really?" it really implies they expect/advocate everyone to be running some type of ad-filtering software. And as soon as that happens, a lot of magically free stuff would disappear.

I mean, god, I remember the days when ISPs would charge you per the number of pages and images you had on your website. The amount of free stuff I get from companies is amazing; just Google alone - I use Chrome as my primary browser, use Google Sketchup in home repair/improvement projects all the time, my wife and I both have free e-mail through Gmail (and I use the POP3 access, so it is actually 100% ad-free for me). I also use Google Applications or whatever it's called to manage the e-mail for all of my domain names. A­nyt­h­i­n­g[nospam-﹫-backwards]niamoD­y­m*com gets redirected to my gmail account - giving me a never ending supply of unique e-mail addresses. I also use Google Analytics to track all the visits to my website, again lots of useful information, all 100% free to me. Oh - and I use Google Voice. It's amazing. My wife and I both use it here in Europe to make free calls to our parents/families/friends back in the US. And it doesn't cost me a single penny.

Oh yeah, and that whole 'search engine' thing that I use many times each day.

Without ads Google, as it is today, could not exist. All of that free stuff I get, it would vanish too. So it's really hard for me to get behind the idea of 'everyone should run adblock software', even if I realize most people never will.
 
2011-11-14 07:02:12 AM
Pretty sure Facebook has said previously that just deleting something won't fully remove it from their system. shiat, why do you think you can't -delete- an FB account?
 
2011-11-14 07:29:17 AM
Adolf Oliver Nipples: Nuclear Pancake: Also, I use FB a lot. Lots of political stuff and I post a lot. I like the targeted ads.and offers for services and products that appeal to me. If I'm going to look at ads I'd rather see ads for beer and progressive politics then tampons and daycare services.

In the year 2011 you still see ads? Really?

If only there were a program that could help you with that...


Psst...

Never encourage someone you neither know nor care about to block ads.

They are the reason the rest of us get free rides. If everyone blocked all ads, we'd be farked.

/also, think twice before encouraging others to vote
//personally, I'd rather every single one of you stay home on election day and just let me pick our leaders
///why yes, I CAN be bought
 
2011-11-14 07:32:28 AM
This included photos, messages and postings on his Facebook page dating back years, some of which he thought he had deleted, the times he had clicked "like" on an item, "pokes" of fellow users, and reams of other information.



How the fark do you think digital services work, you farking retard?! If you do something online that appears to any other person, that information has to be saved. Your likes, comments and pictures have to be saved. The only thing amazing about this is how farking incompetent this little retard is.
 
2011-11-14 08:09:26 AM
If you think that's scary, you should see what Fark has on you.
 
2011-11-14 08:11:30 AM
What are you afraid of, little Austrian man?Klopfer: Nuclear Pancake: So?

I dont understand the big deal. Why put anything on the net that isnt for public consumption? It isnt facebook or anybodies fault if your dumbass puts up information or pictures that are damaging to you.

Also: YOU AGREED TO THEM DOING THIS WHEN YOU SIGNED UP.

Which is not much differnt then the morons (like myself when I was younger) who signed a car loan that was a bad deal. You still agreed to the terms spelled out right in front of you.

Facebook would work just as smooth without saving every damn IP adress I logged in from for the last five years. It isn't necessary for facebook to keep messages in their database that the users deleted years ago. Facebook stores all e-mail adresses that belong to you - and not only those you put in yourself, but also those it can find when your friends sync their mobile phones with facebook. If someone tags you in a photo, the tag can't be deleted, the information will only be hidden. Facebook even saves stuff about you if you don't sign up.
There can be information about you on facebook that might become damaging to you in the future. Just think about a country turning into a dictatorship - suddenly a political event you attended years ago (according to your facebook account) might get you into trouble. And as long as you don't have the power to delete stuff, you are at the mercy of facebook.


Just because you "delete" something does no mean that it instantly, magically disappears from existence. Most likely, it's simply no longer protected from being overwritten. Until it's overwritten or the storage device is destroyed or the storage is physically erased, it's still all out there.

CSB: Friend was prevented from renewing her driver's license in Virginia because the state of NY put a hold on her license because she allegedly failed to turn in her plates when she moved to Virginia more than a decade ago. Computers never forget.

Best way to keep them from knowing stuff about you is to not post it online. Ever.
Never use your real name or birth date or address or any other thing, because all of that information accumulates over time.
 
2011-11-14 08:18:34 AM
Repeat after me: Things that you deposit on the internet cannot be withdrawn.
Things other people deposit about you on the internet also cannot be withdrawn.

You might as well be posting your caffeine fueled rants strait into the library of congress.

/Right now its not a big deal unless you're an idiot.
/As search technology gets better, and the various databases more unified, it will become a massive problem.
 
2011-11-14 08:27:28 AM
untaken_name: Nuclear Pancake: Also: YOU AGREED TO THEM DOING THIS WHEN YOU SIGNED UP.

[nevernotanerd.com image 300x219]

Nobody ever reads those things!


Cuttlefish.
 
2011-11-14 08:28:49 AM
"When you delete something from Facebook, all you are doing is hiding it from yourself," Schrems told AFP in his home city of Vienna..

Has this guy had his head in the sand? Hasn't the message for the last 10 years been to be careful what you post on the internet because once it is on the internet it is out there forever?

But it is going to get really interesting in the next 5-19 years when some of these heavy 15-25 year old Facebook users decide that they want to run for political office. Oh the scandals that are going to rise out of that when their opponents start posting old pictures that they posted on that Facebook account that they though was "deleted".
 
2011-11-14 08:29:04 AM
0Icky0: Adolf Oliver Nipples: And I've never purchased anything through a targeted ad, and I'm really glad I didn't.

Wow. That's so cool.
You're like the Anti-Consumer.


Maybe he just buys things he needs instead of things he sees ads for?
 
2011-11-14 08:30:16 AM
Fark_Guy_Rob: Advocating an ad-free internet isn't 'bad' but I'm always sceptical when people advocate everyone blocking ads without explaining how these companies will continue to fund themselves on the internet.

You might win the knob-gobbler award for the week, but it's Monday morning so this just might be the portent of things to come.

I suppose I could buy your argument if my internet access was free. It's not, by the way.

So until then, I will act in rational self-interest: I will choose what comes into my computer over my paid for connection to the best of my ability. How any company funds themselves is none of my business - I propose we keep it that way until I choose to do business with them.

I'm just curious. Getting rid of ads is changing a fundemental cornerstone of the internet.

Commercialization was changing a fundamental cornerstone of the internet. I can't say the naysayers were even wrong back in 1993 when there were flamewars that could fill a bookshelf in floppy disks.

Getting rid of ads is just change - and if you want the actual fundamental cornerstone of the internet it's its ability to adapt quickly.
 
2011-11-14 08:30:24 AM
The thing is, in Europe companies cannot do what they do in the US. People's data about themselves are usually considered their property, even when collected by a company. This is why gmail remained in beta and as invitation-only for so long-- it violates European privacy laws. American companies have to work differently in Europe than they do in the US, or simply not offer their services there.
 
2011-11-14 08:30:49 AM
way south: Repeat after me: Things that you deposit on the internet cannot be withdrawn.
Things other people deposit about you on the internet also cannot be withdrawn.

You might as well be posting your caffeine fueled rants strait into the library of congress.

/Right now its not a big deal unless you're an idiot.
/As search technology gets better, and the various databases more unified, it will become a massive problem.


Isn't the Library of Congress now archiving all of the Twitter communications? I thought I heard something like that a tear or two ago.
 
2011-11-14 08:54:14 AM
In spite of everything, Schrems remains an avid Facebook user. - "Social networking sites are a great invention. Depriving yourself is not the answer."

And this is why Facebook will keep on raping you of your data. You bring it on yourselves.

Posting ANYTHING on the Internet should be thought of as PUBLIC data. This should make you think twice.

There is no such thing as internet anonymity.
 
2011-11-14 08:55:18 AM
ongbok: way south: Repeat after me: Things that you deposit on the internet cannot be withdrawn.
Things other people deposit about you on the internet also cannot be withdrawn.

You might as well be posting your caffeine fueled rants strait into the library of congress.

/Right now its not a big deal unless you're an idiot.
/As search technology gets better, and the various databases more unified, it will become a massive problem.

Isn't the Library of Congress now archiving all of the Twitter communications? I thought I heard something like that a tear or two ago.


I believe they are, actually. The entire back log of twitter is supposed to be archived. Which is why I've learned to make my caffeinated rants shorter than 140 cha
 
2011-11-14 08:55:41 AM
MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Fark_Guy_Rob: Advocating an ad-free internet isn't 'bad' but I'm always sceptical when people advocate everyone blocking ads without explaining how these companies will continue to fund themselves on the internet.

You might win the knob-gobbler award for the week, but it's Monday morning so this just might be the portent of things to come.

I suppose I could buy your argument if my internet access was free. It's not, by the way.

So until then, I will act in rational self-interest: I will choose what comes into my computer over my paid for connection to the best of my ability. How any company funds themselves is none of my business - I propose we keep it that way until I choose to do business with them.

I'm just curious. Getting rid of ads is changing a fundemental cornerstone of the internet.

Commercialization was changing a fundamental cornerstone of the internet. I can't say the naysayers were even wrong back in 1993 when there were flamewars that could fill a bookshelf in floppy disks.

Getting rid of ads is just change - and if you want the actual fundamental cornerstone of the internet it's its ability to adapt quickly.


You pay for 'internet *access*' but ISPs rarely provide any actual content any more. They *used* to. Back when BBS's were the rage and things like Prodigy and AOL were catching on. Then you paid for access to those sites and they provided content. The internet was mostly crap with some .edu sites of interest.

The money you pay for internet access doesn't end up in the pockets of any of the sites you visit. If you are advocating some new billing system based on where you go or something; I might agree with it. Again, I'm not against getting rid of ads, I just can't support the idea that everyone should block ads until I also hear a proposal for how we're going to continue to fund the free stuff we're all used to on the internet.

If ads disappear from the internet tomorrow, your ISP isn't going to charge you less.....so I don't see how the fact that you pay for internet access is relevant to the discussion on ads. There are sites that are currently funded via ads. Without ads those sites will either cease to exist or need to get funding in some other way. And all of the 'other ways' I've heard suck worse than ads do.
 
2011-11-14 09:02:40 AM
Also - I'm all for the 'I can control what comes into my computer over my internet connection' argument; but the converse applies. Sites don't have to allow you the privilege of accessing their content.

There was a time when sites had a lot of annoying pop-ups. There was software you could get to stop it, but almost nobody did it. Then the major browsers (FireFox did it first, if I remember) put in some code to prevent websites from opening new windows. Then all the browsers did it. It was no longer an insignificant percentage of people blocking their pop-ups so they changed how they showed pop-ups.

Some sites moved the pop-up ads into their website. The ads remained. Other sites modified their pop-up code to pop-up whenever a user clicks on a link on the site, instead of on the site's load event. The net effect is the same, pop-ups still pop-up.

If enough people block ads, websites will use clever pieces of code to prevent you from accessing their site without also accessing the ads. It's the natural progression of things.
 
2011-11-14 09:14:53 AM
There are two things to consider: 1) Certain elements of your personal information are on the Internet regardless of what you do, but you can severely restrict what is shown, and 2) It is true that if you don't want people to know about your crazy personal habits you should not discuss them online, but that doesn't stop those habits from appearing online.

I recently conducted an executive profile assessment of a CEO of a large global company. The company's security guys did a great job of "scrubbing" the Internet of much of his personal information such as physical home address, names of his wife and kids, etc., but they couldn't avoid anecdotal evidence that appeared in interviews. For example, his home address is not hosted in any public resource, but a reporter revealed his town in an article.

So, through trusts and other methods you can hide where you live, but you cannot eliminate evidence from others who reveal something about your life. If you connect enough dots, you can discover just about anything. Some of those dots, naturally, will not be on the Internet and will require you to do leg work. That's why I don't focus on just the obvious sources of information, but use comprehensive traffic analysis to find what I need. In the end, if your college roommate reveals your proclivity for drunken debauchery, it will be known.

There is hope, however. It is not nearly as easy to find this stuff. Google searches only scratch the surface. I don't know how much time and money a prospective employer is willing to spend to scour the dark web and other lesser well-known sources to find stuff about you. I suspect that most HR people will simply Google your name and read the first two or three pages of results. Of course, this doesn't apply to candidates for high positions or positions requiring security clearances, etc.
 
2011-11-14 09:34:09 AM
That whole "retrieving your data from Facebook" seems okay until you realize that you have to scan in your driver's license to prove to Fb that you are who you say you are.

Facebook really thinks people are this stupid.

/must be because they are
 
2011-11-14 09:53:59 AM
You know, you could discuss privacy and Facebook in this comment section.
Or you could discuss the awesomeness that is the Thinkpad Laptop shown in the article:
www.asiaone.com
 
2011-11-14 10:03:37 AM
Fark_Guy_Rob
Also - I'm all for the 'I can control what comes into my computer over my internet connection' argument; but the converse applies. Sites don't have to allow you the privilege of accessing their content.

As someone who owns and operates a private site, I'm so glad we see eye to eye on this matter.
 
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