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2011-11-14 01:51:35 AM
I worked on a project for 7 months in Bangalore in 1999. The weather was miserable hot. The food was pretty good in the hotel and work cafeteria, but I got sick several times when we ventured out to eat in the city. There were a couple of nice looking women in the company, but generally speaking, you'll find WAY better looking women in New York, San Francisco, Miami or Honolulu (which is where I live). The people are super polite and very easy to get along with. The Indians have a phenomenal work ethic - I'd get in at 6:30am and usually half the people would already be there, and when I went home usually at around 7:30 pm, most of the crew were still working.

If I didn't have kids, I'd definitely do another stint if asked. Back in the late 90s, the money was flowing like crazy. With the amount of money I made on that gig, I was able to come back to Honolulu and buy myself a decent 2 bedroom condo for cash.
 
2011-11-14 01:57:05 AM
Jesus fark, people. It is the twenty first century. If you are not prepared to move to a new country for your job, then you are either:

a) racist as all hell

b) too elderly to learn a new language

c) too stupid to live in our new globalized intercultural reality -sorry for your luck, it is not your fault

d) have too many children or too many sick relatives to care for at home - sorry for your luck, and yes, we do need to figure out how to work people like you into the new social structure.
 
2011-11-14 02:14:22 AM
A job fair at the San Jose Convention Center this weekend is focused on helping companies recruit Indian workers who may in the U.S. on a visa by informing them about the professional and economic opportunities back home.

????

That article sounds like it was written by somebody in India.

/I certainly don't mind... more job security for moi.
 
2011-11-14 02:43:59 AM
My company has a "Go work in China" program... depending on the compensation and some other stuff I'm tempted. No kids or other attachment to the U.S.
 
2011-11-14 02:55:27 AM
A job fair at the San Jose Convention Center this weekend is focused on helping companies recruit Indian workers who may in the U.S. on a visa by informing them about the professional and economic opportunities back home.

1) Non-Indians need not apply (racist much?)
2) Is this an attempt to concentrate the talent pool? If so...uh....cool?
3) WTF am I reading.
 
2011-11-14 03:28:51 AM
Please stop them, someone. Indian English has a masala not found in any other English in the world. I am lobbying to let it take its place as another kind of legitimate English, not as an incorrect version of real English. Like Indian food, Indian English has real flavour. Where else would they say things like:

* Don't stand in front of my back.
* A cow gives milk which we drink. Therefore it is our mother.
* Who took the breeze out of my cykill?
* Will you have some tea-shee? biscuit-viscuit?
* Why aren't you kneel-downing?
* Hurry-upping ma'am.
* Open the windows and let the atmosphere come in.
* Open the windows and let the Air Force come in.

Or the gentleman on the flight who told the stewardess: "I am vegetable but my wife is not and I will drink a Walking Johnny."

Or my yoga teacher who guides us into shavasana by saying: "Now be relax. Loose your body, loose your arms, loose your face. Let the breathe come in from the nostril and look at your breathe."

Or the nosey but well-meaning Punjabi couple, who within minutes, wanted to know everything about my life: "Pinky, are you married? Any issues? What does your husband do? What salary is he making? Where do you live? We live in Patel Nagar, right above Bhasin tailors, please come over. Do you like pickle, you can be having mine."

Or the school Principal who gave this speech: "The school is like a garden. You are the seeds, school is the soil. We will bury you in this soil, pour water of knowledge on your heads and one day you will become great phools."
 
2011-11-14 04:33:24 AM
moothemagiccow: Please stop them, someone. Indian English has a masala not found in any other English in the world. I am lobbying to let it take its place as another kind of legitimate English, not as an incorrect version of real English. Like Indian food, Indian English has real flavour. Where else would they say things like:

* Don't stand in front of my back.
* A cow gives milk which we drink. Therefore it is our mother.
* Who took the breeze out of my cykill?
* Will you have some tea-shee? biscuit-viscuit?
* Why aren't you kneel-downing?
* Hurry-upping ma'am.
* Open the windows and let the atmosphere come in.
* Open the windows and let the Air Force come in.

Or the gentleman on the flight who told the stewardess: "I am vegetable but my wife is not and I will drink a Walking Johnny."

Or my yoga teacher who guides us into shavasana by saying: "Now be relax. Loose your body, loose your arms, loose your face. Let the breathe come in from the nostril and look at your breathe."

Or the nosey but well-meaning Punjabi couple, who within minutes, wanted to know everything about my life: "Pinky, are you married? Any issues? What does your husband do? What salary is he making? Where do you live? We live in Patel Nagar, right above Bhasin tailors, please come over. Do you like pickle, you can be having mine."

Or the school Principal who gave this speech: "The school is like a garden. You are the seeds, school is the soil. We will bury you in this soil, pour water of knowledge on your heads and one day you will become great phools."


What the hell...
 
2011-11-14 05:54:57 AM
Bennie Crabtree: Jesus fark, people. It is the twenty first century. If you are not prepared to move to a new country for your job, then you are either:

a) racist as all hell

b) too elderly to learn a new language

c) too stupid to live in our new globalized intercultural reality -sorry for your luck, it is not your fault

d) have too many children or too many sick relatives to care for at home - sorry for your luck, and yes, we do need to figure out how to work people like you into the new social structure.


Hey Jackass, Social Structures are chosen not forced upon in society.
Think about it. There are many examples in history of forced social structures being put in their place. Does not matter the purpose behind it. Marriage for starters is just one example. It's people like you that are going to get whats coming to you if you don't let up on your Utopian bullshiat everyone must live by x'y'z philosophies.

Enlighten yourself.

It's called freedom of choice you self absorbed asshat.
 
2011-11-14 06:58:08 AM
Bennie Crabtree: Jesus fark, people. It is the twenty first century. If you are not prepared to move to a new country for your job, then you are either:

a) racist as all hell
-I don't want to live in some third world shiathole. I have Indian friends who state they would never move back there unless forced at gunpoint

b) too elderly to learn a new language
-this is a dumb statement. People that typically work within these companies speak English

c) too stupid to live in our new globalized intercultural reality -sorry for your luck, it is not your fault
-not every job requires being shipped to some third world shiathole to make $10/hour answering telephones. Get a better education and avoid being at the mercy of Google.

d) have too many children or too many sick relatives to care for at home - sorry for your luck, and yes, we do need to figure out how to work people like you into the new social structure.
-not everyone is the free spirit you are, risking cholera and E. Coli for Amazon.com


you're an idiot.
 
2011-11-14 07:04:14 AM
Quick!! Give them all another tax cut!
 
2011-11-14 07:07:05 AM
DubyaHater: Bennie Crabtree: Jesus fark, people. It is the twenty first century. If you are not prepared to move to a new country for your job, then you are either:

a) racist as all hell
-I don't want to live in some third world shiathole. I have Indian friends who state they would never move back there unless forced at gunpoint



They probably aren't "Indian". They are people of "Indian" origin, who are as American as you are.
 
2011-11-14 07:59:50 AM
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2011-11-14 08:24:02 AM
justaguy516: DubyaHater: Bennie Crabtree: Jesus fark, people. It is the twenty first century. If you are not prepared to move to a new country for your job, then you are either:

a) racist as all hell
-I don't want to live in some third world shiathole. I have Indian friends who state they would never move back there unless forced at gunpoint



They probably aren't "Indian". They are people of "Indian" origin, who are as American as you are.


wrong. i am attending an MBA program with several native Indians who have never worked overseas before, and are desperate to not return home (despite being from wealthy families)
 
2011-11-14 08:47:44 AM
cheap_thoughts: Or the school Principal who gave this speech: "The school is like a garden. You are the seeds, school is the soil. We will bury you in this soil, pour water of knowledge on your heads and one day you will become great phools."

What the hell...



"Phool" = "flower" in Hindi and related languages.
 
2011-11-14 09:33:29 AM
Bennie Crabtree: Jesus fark, people. It is the twenty first century. If you are not prepared to move to a new country for your job, then you are either:

a) racist as all hell

b) too elderly to learn a new language

c) too stupid to live in our new globalized intercultural reality -sorry for your luck, it is not your fault

d) have too many children or too many sick relatives to care for at home - sorry for your luck, and yes, we do need to figure out how to work people like you into the new social structure.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Whatever gets you to sleep at night.
 
2011-11-14 09:38:52 AM
dumbobruni: justaguy516: DubyaHater: Bennie Crabtree: Jesus fark, people. It is the twenty first century. If you are not prepared to move to a new country for your job, then you are either:

a) racist as all hell
-I don't want to live in some third world shiathole. I have Indian friends who state they would never move back there unless forced at gunpoint



They probably aren't "Indian". They are people of "Indian" origin, who are as American as you are.

wrong. i am attending an MBA program with several native Indians who have never worked overseas before, and are desperate to not return home (despite being from wealthy families)


India smells like poop.
 
2011-11-14 09:50:06 AM
Goddamnit, how dare American companies invest overseas and provide goods and services to those icky foreigners!

/methinks subby doesnt understand the "sad" tag or the use of the "fark:" meme.
 
2011-11-14 10:13:19 AM
India isn't real high on my list of places I'd want to live. It really seems like a fun place to visit, but I don't really want to live there.
 
2011-11-14 10:25:18 AM
Twice in the last decade I've been offered massive amounts of money (in India terms - insane amounts of money) to move to India for the work. If I was a younger guy I would of seriously considered it.

/DRTFA
//boingboing can go fark off
 
2011-11-14 11:14:47 AM
Don't wait for your company to outsource your job. Outsource it yourself now!
 
2011-11-14 11:18:58 AM
The guys in India I talk to for weekly meeting do not believe me when I tell them nobody at the company gets paid overtime.

They also don't believe in the US that companies are not required by law to give you vacation or holidays off.
 
2011-11-14 11:34:33 AM
As someone who recently did some work with Accidenture in India, I'm getting a kick.

These guys aren't developers, they're farking robots. People think Indians are cheaper because they are, per-day. But they never think beyond the piece of work that's right in front of them and you have to farking spoon-feed it to them. They never say "hey, would it make sense to abstract this into something more generic", like UK developers do.
 
2011-11-14 11:46:07 AM
Bennie Crabtree: Jesus fark, people. It is the twenty first century. If you are not prepared to move to a new country for your job, then you are either:

a) racist as all hell

b) too elderly to learn a new language

c) too stupid to live in our new globalized intercultural reality -sorry for your luck, it is not your fault

d) have too many children or too many sick relatives to care for at home - sorry for your luck, and yes, we do need to figure out how to work people like you into the new social structure.


You must not know much about India.

The Ganges River, the main source of drinking water, is literally a giant toilet. Not only is human waste dumped into it untreated, but industrial and chemical waste is also poured into it. Oh, and dead bodies are thrown in it. Oh, and people then bathe in it. I reckon you come out dirtier than when you went into it. Think about all that the next time you turn on a tap in India to get some water, brush your teeth, take a shower, etc. If you eat out, remember they cooked your food in this water - hence the guy earlier saying he got very sick from eating in places outside the hotel.

From Wikipedia:

Sewage from many cities along the river's course, industrial waste and religious offerings wrapped in non-degradable plastics add large amounts of pollutants to the river as it flows through densely populated areas. The problem is exacerbated by the fact that many poorer people rely on the river on a daily basis for bathing, washing, and cooking. The World Bank estimates that the health costs of water pollution in India equal three per cent of India's GDP. It has also been suggested that eighty per cent of all illnesses in India and one-third of deaths can be attributed to water-borne diseases.

Varanasi, a city of one million people that many pilgrims visit to take a "holy dip" in the Ganges, releases around 200 million litres of untreated human sewage into the river each day, leading to large concentrations of faecal coliform bacteria. According to official standards, water safe for bathing should not contain more than 500 faecal coliforms per 100ml, yet upstream of Varanasi's ghats the river water already contains 120 times as much, 60,000 faecal coliform bacteria per 100 ml.

After the cremation of the deceased at Varanasi's ghats the bones and ashes are thrown into the Ganges. However, in the past thousands of uncremated bodies were thrown into the Ganges during cholera epidemics, spreading the disease. Even today, holy men, pregnant women, people with leprosy/chicken pox, people who had been bitten by snakes, people who had committed suicide, the poor, and children under 5 are not cremated at the ghats but are floated free to decompose in the waters. In addition, those who can not afford the large amount of wood needed to incinerate the entire body, leave behind a lot of half burned body parts.

After passing through Varanasi, and receiving 32 streams of raw sewage from the city, the concentration of faecal coliforms in the river's waters rises from 60,000 to 1.5 million, with observed peak values of 100 million per 100 ml. Drinking and bathing in its waters therefore carries a high risk of infection.

The Ganges was ranked among the top five most polluted rivers of the world in 2007, with fecal coliform levels in the river near Varanasi more than hundred times the official Indian government limits. The Ganga Action Plan, an environmental initiative to clean up the river, has been a major failure thus far, due to corruption and lack of technical expertise, lack of good environmental planning, Indian traditions and beliefs, and lack of support from religious authorities.

And you say people are "racist" and "too stupid" for not wanting to work and live there? K.
 
2011-11-14 12:32:23 PM
Please do the needful....
 
2011-11-14 01:35:11 PM
Bennie Crabtree: Jesus fark, people. It is the twenty first century. If you are not prepared to move to a new country for your job, then you are either:

a) racist as all hell

b) too elderly to learn a new language

c) too stupid to live in our new globalized intercultural reality -sorry for your luck, it is not your fault

d) have too many children or too many sick relatives to care for at home - sorry for your luck, and yes, we do need to figure out how to work people like you into the new social structure.


Awesome, yet another corporate bootlicker...
 
2011-11-14 01:40:34 PM
I've seen prior employers (who weren't very big, no less) get some decent software out of India, by opening an office there and hiring direct.

That way, you avoid most of the problems that come along with "body shops" (misaligned incentives, no knowledge of your business, etc.) You still end up with a lot of freshers, but if you can hire a few experienced folks to shepherd them it's not bad.

It's the difference between "outsourcing" and "offshoring". Do the first at your peril, especially if you're simultaneously doing the second.
 
2011-11-14 01:41:16 PM
Spandau: Please do the needful....

I have a doubt.
 
2011-11-14 01:45:06 PM
I find the whole thing amusing. The company I work for got all excited about India. They hired a gaggle of programmers there. Every time I sent email to get something done, it'd bounce back. If I had a contact list, it had to be updated weekly. What happened at the time was that people poured into universities to get their CS degrees and were hired at companies rapid fire, with little vetting past what school they went to. Every six months, they'd quit and get a higher-paying job. We never had the same programmer on a task for more than 6 months or so. Hence, the Indian office was constantly retraining people. So little got done that my employer shuttered their Indian office and started hiring in China. At least the folks in China stick around for a while.
 
2011-11-14 02:42:17 PM
Contents Under Pressure: I find the whole thing amusing. The company I work for got all excited about India. They hired a gaggle of programmers there. Every time I sent email to get something done, it'd bounce back. If I had a contact list, it had to be updated weekly. What happened at the time was that people poured into universities to get their CS degrees and were hired at companies rapid fire, with little vetting past what school they went to. Every six months, they'd quit and get a higher-paying job. We never had the same programmer on a task for more than 6 months or so. Hence, the Indian office was constantly retraining people. So little got done that my employer shuttered their Indian office and started hiring in China. At least the folks in China stick around for a while.

My former employer had the same issue in Argentina.

They never understood why employees would leave for more money.
 
2011-11-14 06:36:44 PM
Bennie Crabtree: Jesus fark, people. It is the twenty first century. If you are not prepared to move to a new country for your job, then you are either:

a) racist as all hell

b) too elderly to learn a new language

c) too stupid to live in our new globalized intercultural reality -sorry for your luck, it is not your fault

d) have too many children or too many sick relatives to care for at home - sorry for your luck, and yes, we do need to figure out how to work people like you into the new social structure.



Hmmmm. 4/10.
 
2011-11-14 07:37:30 PM
farkeruk: As someone who recently did some work with Accidenture in India, I'm getting a kick.

These guys aren't developers, they're farking robots. People think Indians are cheaper because they are, per-day. But they never think beyond the piece of work that's right in front of them and you have to farking spoon-feed it to them. They never say "hey, would it make sense to abstract this into something more generic", like UK developers do.


This is the dirty little secret of offshoring. Indian companies in particular are quickly catching up in cost...but still have a long way to go in quality.
 
2011-11-14 08:40:23 PM
farkeruk: These guys aren't developers, they're farking robots. People think Indians are cheaper because they are, per-day. But they never think beyond the piece of work that's right in front of them and you have to farking spoon-feed it to them. They never say "hey, would it make sense to abstract this into something more generic", like UK developers do.

So true. You get the feeling their universities aren't very good -- something tells me this will have to change if they're going to stay competitive.
 
2011-11-14 09:18:33 PM
If you're a programmer or sysadmin, the employment rate in Silicon Valley is 3-4%. It's impossible to find enough qualified people; they're all working for Google or Facebook or a startup. Pretty much anybody can get hired, though the dot-com boom is fresh enough in people's minds you have to have some measure of skill.

If you're on the business side, or not in tech, it's not as crappy as, say, the midwest, but it's not great, either.
 
2011-11-14 11:12:55 PM
MrEricSir: farkeruk: These guys aren't developers, they're farking robots. People think Indians are cheaper because they are, per-day. But they never think beyond the piece of work that's right in front of them and you have to farking spoon-feed it to them. They never say "hey, would it make sense to abstract this into something more generic", like UK developers do.

So true. You get the feeling their universities aren't very good -- something tells me this will have to change if they're going to stay competitive.


With the exception of the IIT schools and maybe a couple others, the education system is very old-fashioned and heavily weighed down by cultural expectations. Large amounts of learning are done by rote, and it's culturally unacceptable to do anything other than accept what a professor tells you without question. And when the professors themselves aren't that good, oy...

The bottom line is that you get people who may be technically very proficient, but like someone else mentioned up-thread, they have zero ability to think for themselves - because they've never been encouraged to do so before. Any sort of creativity has long been buried, unless the student has a wealthy enough family to send them abroad for schooling. I've seen grad students that could run rings around American students in math and physics, but then totally panic the minute they're asked to answer a question that doesn't have an immediate clear answer. I can just imagine what the programmers are like.
 
2011-11-15 02:54:58 AM
Anhydrous Dihydrogen Monoxide: If you're a programmer or sysadmin, the employment rate in Silicon Valley is 3-4%. It's impossible to find enough qualified people; they're all working for Google or Facebook or a startup. Pretty much anybody can get hired, though the dot-com boom is fresh enough in people's minds you have to have some measure of skill.

If you're on the business side, or not in tech, it's not as crappy as, say, the midwest, but it's not great, either.


Dayyymmm.... an unemployment rate of 96-97%? Ouchamundo.
 
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