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(Calgary Herald)   Old and busted: Red Light Cameras. New hotness: Noise Cameras   (calgaryherald.com) divider line 101
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2011-11-13 10:35:58 PM
Well, this should generate absolutely no controversy whatsoever, right?

Personally, I like this.

I get the red light cameras. I have a 7-minute commute in the morining and I'll bet I see 4 cars a day blowing the red on a left turn signal. Some claim they increase accidents...horsecrap. If someone stopping suddenly at a light for fear of a ticket causes you to hit them, then you were following too closely AND would have been blowing the light yourself by whipping through behind them. I don't buy that argument for a second

So, with that in mind, why shouldn't some farkwit with straight pipes or cherry poppers get a nice little fine in the mail for buzzing around the neighborhood flashing their noise-penis for all to hear?

Is it a cash grab? Maybe, but so what? The only people these automated things are going to snag are the ones who "volunteer" to donate by breaking the law. It's not like anyone doesn't know it's illegal.

/Yes, I'm serious.
//Better put on my asbestos pants
 
2011-11-14 12:28:51 AM
yes yes yes, oh god yes, put one in front of my house, please for the love of god.
 
2011-11-14 12:51:52 AM
Pfft, we have those here. Pull in the clutch, coast past the thing, back on the accel 20 metres later. Stupid things.

I've had noisy cans on my bike for years and not been pulled over once. In fact, most cops admire the thing.
 
2011-11-14 12:58:48 AM
Starting my car this afternoon set off the alarm in the one in the adjacent parking space, so getting a kick, etc.

/it has a stock exhaust and is silent compared to a Harley
 
2011-11-14 12:59:14 AM
Also known as microphones.
 
2011-11-14 01:01:22 AM

Highroller48: flashing their noise-penis for all to hear?


Exactly. Making your pipes as loud as possible isn't an issue of safety, or of showing off...it's an issue of your d*ck being small.

/biker
 
2011-11-14 01:02:56 AM

ParaHandy: Starting my car this afternoon set off the alarm in the one in the adjacent parking space, so getting a kick, etc.

/it has a stock exhaust and is silent compared to a Harley


only one? a few years ago, i somehow set off half a dozen when i was pulling into a parking spot.

/honestly cant figure that one out. the damn car is so quiet at idle, you can hang around by the back of the car and have a normal conversation.
 
2011-11-14 01:06:07 AM
The main objection I have to any kind of "enforcement cameras" is the lack of ability to face, confront, and question your accuser, or present facts, witnesses, and evidence in your defense. Since America's Hat doesn't have those rules (which I gather from my deep knowledge of Canada, acquired from Trailer Park Boys), I guess these things are fine for you guys. Have fun with that, eh?
 
2011-11-14 01:07:38 AM

AntiNorm: Making your pipes as loud as possible isn't an issue of safety


I always love the safety argument. Yeah, you're real concerned about safety, that;s why you're riding around at night wearing all black and no helmet.
If those guys were really concerned about safety, they'd be wearing bright yellow like real bikers do.
 
2011-11-14 01:09:04 AM
This is great for the idiots who put glasspacks and echo tips on a diesel pickups.
/has quiet exhaust with headers, no reason to advertise.
 
2011-11-14 01:10:26 AM

serial_crusher: AntiNorm: Making your pipes as loud as possible isn't an issue of safety

I always love the safety argument. Yeah, you're real concerned about safety, that;s why you're riding around at night wearing all black and no helmet.
If those guys were really concerned about safety, they'd be wearing bright yellow like real bikers do.


www.electric-scooters.us
 
2011-11-14 01:11:55 AM

ParaHandy: Starting my car this afternoon set off the alarm in the one in the adjacent parking space, so getting a kick, etc.

/it has a stock exhaust and is silent compared to a Harley


5.0 Mustang with off road Hpipe and Flowmaster mufflers. If I WOT it, large dogs run for cover.
 
2011-11-14 01:14:49 AM
Bikers rarely bother me. However, if it takes care of this (new window), I'll be all for them.
 
2011-11-14 01:17:05 AM
I live across the street from a block-long train overpass. Bikes, cars, f'ning grannies on scooters, all love to pop it under the tracks in the tunnel. I get it...it echoes and your penis pipes sound loud. But, thousands and thousands of people have done this over the years that I have lived here. Even to somebody who LOVES all things with a motor, it gets old.
 
2011-11-14 01:22:46 AM

Nexzus: ParaHandy: Starting my car this afternoon set off the alarm in the one in the adjacent parking space, so getting a kick, etc.

/it has a stock exhaust and is silent compared to a Harley

5.0 Mustang with off road Hpipe and Flowmaster mufflers. If I WOT it, large dogs run for cover.


So you like to annoy other people by making a ton of noise for no reason?

Don't you have an accupy something protest to be at? Maybe a sports riot?
 
2011-11-14 01:23:52 AM
Woo woooooo! (new window)
 
2011-11-14 01:25:18 AM

The_Homeless_Guy: Bikers rarely bother me. However, if it takes care of this (new window), I'll be all for them.

That's a parody video, right? RIGHT??
Oy. Sacrilegious in a Challenger R/T.

/hopes these Big Brother cameras take down Hondas with fart can mufflers
 
2011-11-14 01:26:59 AM
Sacriligious, too....
 
2011-11-14 01:28:02 AM

Arxane: Woo woooooo! (new window)


this got a chuckle out of me (new window)
 
2011-11-14 01:33:53 AM
I've got a glasspack on my S10, but only because it was $16 and I'm incredibly cheap. It's not super loud with a 4.3 V6 but it does set off car alarms.
Loud exhausts really don't bother me (but do you really need a resonator on your Honda Civic?), it's the loud stereos that piss me off. Living in Philly I have to listen to shiatty rap and Puerto Rican bongo crap at 130 decibels. I've considered building an air cannon that tracks the noise and launches bricks and mounting it on my roof. I'm sure the neighbors would be cool with it but the fire station 2 blocks up might have a problem.
 
2011-11-14 01:34:29 AM

Nexzus: ParaHandy: Starting my car this afternoon set off the alarm in the one in the adjacent parking space, so getting a kick, etc.

/it has a stock exhaust and is silent compared to a Harley

5.0 Mustang with off road Hpipe and Flowmaster mufflers. If I WOT it, large dogs run for cover.


I don't care if a car sounds fast, I care if it IS fast.

lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2011-11-14 01:40:16 AM
farm7.static.flickr.com
 
2011-11-14 01:44:31 AM

moparedtn: The_Homeless_Guy: Bikers rarely bother me. However, if it takes care of this (new window), I'll be all for them.
That's a parody video, right? RIGHT??
Oy. Sacrilegious in a Challenger R/T.

/hopes these Big Brother cameras take down Hondas with fart can mufflers


Yes, its a parody. Not there best song. They actually do a good version of four chords (I swear Tim Munchin did it first, not that it matters as they work together). Link (new window)

But yeah, if these things take car of ridiculous subwoofers/cars blasting music, I'm all for it.
 
2011-11-14 01:45:03 AM

Highroller48: Well, this should generate absolutely no controversy whatsoever, right?

Personally, I like this.

I get the red light cameras. I have a 7-minute commute in the morining and I'll bet I see 4 cars a day blowing the red on a left turn signal. Some claim they increase accidents...horsecrap. If someone stopping suddenly at a light for fear of a ticket causes you to hit them, then you were following too closely AND would have been blowing the light yourself by whipping through behind them. I don't buy that argument for a second

So, with that in mind, why shouldn't some farkwit with straight pipes or cherry poppers get a nice little fine in the mail for buzzing around the neighborhood flashing their noise-penis for all to hear?

Is it a cash grab? Maybe, but so what? The only people these automated things are going to snag are the ones who "volunteer" to donate by breaking the law. It's not like anyone doesn't know it's illegal.

/Yes, I'm serious.
//Better put on my asbestos pants


Because of it is a safety issue, they fail since a number of studies clearly demonstrate that they are a safety hazard (regardless of your opinion on the matter). If it is just a cash grab, the fact that it is "voluntary" does not negate the fact that it is at the expense of people's safety. I have a problem with governments (well, any entities) that put people's safety at risk for money.

Aside: the Noise Snare's site has better information regarding the system.
 
2011-11-14 01:51:39 AM

snuff3r:
I've had noisy cans on my bike for years and not been pulled over once. In fact, most cops admire the thing.



"man if I could only be as big of a dick as that guy. Oh well, back to hustling hookers for handies "
 
2011-11-14 01:52:38 AM
Well I for one welcome our noise-sensing overlords.
 
2011-11-14 01:53:32 AM

ArcadianRefugee: Because of it is a safety issue, they fail since a number of studies clearly demonstrate that they are a safety hazard (regardless of your opinion on the matter). If it is just a cash grab, the fact that it is "voluntary" does not negate the fact that it is at the expense of people's safety. I have a problem with governments (well, any entities) that put people's safety at risk for money.


These studies ignore the fact that while cameras MIGHT...MIGHT increase rear-end collisions by a small amount, they reduce t-bone crashes by more. I'll take a rear-ender over being t-boned any day. And, as someone else already pointed out in the very Boobies, a rear-ender means you were following too closely to begin with...which means the accident was YOUR fault anyway. It was not the camera's fault.
 
2011-11-14 01:57:38 AM
What's interesting from watching the video on the system's site is that the 2nd vehicle achieves 82.9dB and is listed as a violation. Consulting a few decibel charts (one of which is below), busy residential streets easily rate 80+dB. Trucks average between 80-90dB. Big trucks can easily achieve 90dB, even at a distance of over 30 feet.

Citing the jerks who rev their engines to over 100dB, I understand. I'm just curious how easily triggered this thing will be by other sounds (the screech of tires as someone hits their brakes to avoid hitting a child, for instance).

www.hifiheadphonereviews.com
 
2011-11-14 02:00:16 AM
AntiNorm: These studies ignore the fact that while cameras MIGHT...MIGHT increase rear-end collisions by a small amount, they reduce t-bone crashes by more. I'll take a rear-ender over being t-boned any day. And, as someone else already pointed out in the very Boobies, a rear-ender means you were following too closely to begin with...which means the accident was YOUR fault anyway. It was not the camera's fault.

What does it matter whose fault it is? So it's the fault of the guy in back.... What consolation is that to the person he hits (who, by your reasoning, is not at fault)? Shifting the blame doesn't leave the situation without victims of the system.
 
2011-11-14 02:00:22 AM
Will it target whistler tips? Bubba's go "who WHOOOO"
 
2011-11-14 02:02:33 AM

AntiNorm: These studies ignore the fact that while cameras MIGHT...MIGHT increase rear-end collisions by a small amount, they reduce t-bone crashes by more.


Also, you obviously didn't read the (excerpts from the) studies I provided a link to.
 
2011-11-14 02:11:55 AM
As I am not native to my small town in NY, I was unaware that the house we bought was on the main drag heading out of town from all the bars. All summer long, it's Harleys or crotch rockets cruising down the street at 1, 2, 3 AM... or the occasional douchebag blaring his stereo loud enough to rattle the windows. We get them during the day as well but we have to run a fan at night so we don't wake up from the noise.

Worst part is, the closest Harley dealership is only about 5 miles away, which in rural terms is 'really close', so of course there's a ton of them around here.
 
2011-11-14 02:15:33 AM
So now there's technology that can issue tickets to noisy bikers and hot rodders. What about the bikes and cars themselves? Are they also required to be quieter?
 
2011-11-14 02:17:53 AM
Best.Idea.Ever.
 
2011-11-14 02:20:15 AM

serial_crusher: AntiNorm: Making your pipes as loud as possible isn't an issue of safety

I always love the safety argument. Yeah, you're real concerned about safety, that;s why you're riding around at night wearing all black and no helmet.
If those guys were really concerned about safety, they'd be wearing bright yellow like real bikers do.


Real Biker's understand that you can be lit up like the Fourth of July, and people STILL won't see you. Best piece of safety gear resides between your ears.

/'82 Suzuki GS1100
//Not loud V&H pipe
///Unless it's at WOT, a rarity on the street
 
2011-11-14 02:22:56 AM

serial_crusher: yes yes yes, oh god yes, put one in front of my house, please for the love of god.


This.

(Lives 30 feet from a 5 lane)
 
2011-11-14 02:27:11 AM
Personally, I would be happy if they could just take out the primary offender around here.

There is a tow truck that works for the junkyard about 2 miles down the road from me.

Every morning between 5 and 6am this asshat comes down our road, and engine brakes at the lights (One 1/4 mile west, and one 1/4 mile east).

It's a semi-service towing rig, that dates back to the early 70's. I swear when he jake brakes it shakes my whole damned house. 6 days a week.

I tried to petition for a "No Engine Brake" zone, but unfortunately, since there are 3 overlapping jurisdictions between the two intersections, I would have to get all three townships to agree, simultaneously.

[Mission Impossible]
 
2011-11-14 02:31:40 AM

Shadow Blasko: Personally, I would be happy if they could just take out the primary offender around here.

There is a tow truck that works for the junkyard about 2 miles down the road from me.

Every morning between 5 and 6am this asshat comes down our road, and engine brakes at the lights (One 1/4 mile west, and one 1/4 mile east).

It's a semi-service towing rig, that dates back to the early 70's. I swear when he jake brakes it shakes my whole damned house. 6 days a week.

I tried to petition for a "No Engine Brake" zone, but unfortunately, since there are 3 overlapping jurisdictions between the two intersections, I would have to get all three townships to agree, simultaneously.

[Mission Impossible]


Have you tried one of these? I hear they're great at solving problems similar to yours:

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2011-11-14 02:33:11 AM
I want one of those things on my street!!
Got this damn truck that pulls out of the high end housing development across the street at around 1 in the morning and ROARS down the street. About an hour later, it ROARS back, several days a week.

Then there's the motorcycles, with no friggin mufflers. I'm up late at night and after midnight, they like to use my street as a raceway. It aint just kids either, because I've watched one during the day come out of the development across the street and the rider looked about in his late 40's, middle class and clean shaven.

In-between times I get to put up with the cars tooling by with their stereo's playing (disgusting) rap music loud enough to rattle my windows.

I had a neighbor who used to play that krap real loud and I had a nice chat with him and he turned it down for a bit, then jacked it right back up. I had another nice chat and it lasted about another week. Then, I quietly threatened him with bodily harm. He pretty well kept it low after that. (Especially after I pointed out to him that my disability is mental and if I get shoved into a manic stage through stress or anger, I can do things that I normally would not do and often violently.)
I was young once. I drove a 1967 Pontiac GTO with glass packs. I played my music loud, though the car stereos we had back then were NOT able to entertain people on the next block. I drove fast. I peeled out. I understand, but enough is enough. If neighbors asked me to turn the music down, I did and kept it down, preferring peace in the neighborhood.

In certain developments, when driving at night, I kept my speed down to keep my mufflers quieter.

Now, even going down town is annoying to me as I get treated to the roar and noise of traffic. Actually, we used to have laws regulating how loud a car could be and even how low it could be built. No straight pipes -- though now and then someone would rig a cut-off switch. (That's basically a ring you pull connected to a baffle on your mufflers to bypass to a straight pipe. It was supposed to give you extra horsepower if you got in a race.)

Either they get some around here or I'm going to start stringing a black painted steel cable across the road at night, at handlebar height, for those bikers who hate mufflers.
 
2011-11-14 02:46:56 AM

serial_crusher: yes yes yes, oh god yes, put one in front of my house, please for the love of god.


This. Yes.
 
2011-11-14 02:47:31 AM
The western world is becoming inundated with rules and regulations.
And the reason is simple: a lack of goddamn consideration.

Instead of hampering ourselves with legislation and silly safeguards, I'd like to suggest that we put the following items on the curriculum in our schools:

- Consideration for other people - It can help you avoid getting stabbed
- Common sense - He's NOT Nigerian royalty
- Perspective - It's not all about your sex, your sexuality, your race nor your favourite sports team - stop being offended be everything (I'm looking at YOU Jesse Jackson).
- Parenthood - Why mommie and daddy are too busy catering to their own needs to teach you the above mentioned qualities.

Sincierely, a municipal official who can see the lawbooks getting fatter each month
 
2011-11-14 02:55:21 AM

ArcadianRefugee: Shifting the blame doesn't leave the situation without victims of the system.


In your example, I am a victim of the incompetence of the driver behind me, not the system.
 
2011-11-14 02:56:54 AM
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2011-11-14 03:25:32 AM
Shadow Blasko: tow truck

Tow trucks are generally above the law. You would have to lobby extra hard to get a tickets everybody system instead of a tickets civlians system. Most cameras don't ticket cops and others on the city's list of people they like. (Baltimore and Scottsdale are two cities that made the news for ticketing cops.)

DirkGozinya: tunnel

There is a new, long tunnel in England (I think) which got a reputation as a place to open it up and hear the noise and watch the walls zoom past. The authorities put average speed cameras at each end, so if you go the mile in less than a minute (more or less) your average speed comes out over the limit and you get a ticket. After that the tunnel got a reputation as a place to open it up and hear the noise and watch the walls zoom past and slam on the brakes and stop for 30 seconds before exiting to keep average speed down. Unintended consequences.
 
2011-11-14 03:32:53 AM
Do they work on motorized vuvuzelas too? If so, my neighbourhood need a dozen cameras.

weblog.timoregan.com
 
2011-11-14 03:35:09 AM

ZAZ: Tow trucks are generally above the law. You would have to lobby extra hard to get a tickets everybody system instead of a tickets civlians system


I dunno. Some states tow trucks are dispatched by the police, etc.. But this is a private truck used by the junkyard. Gotta wonder.
 
2011-11-14 03:38:21 AM

Public Savant: The western world is becoming inundated with rules and regulations.


as a bureaucrat, you're the only one who actually has to deal with them
 
2011-11-14 03:49:30 AM

Pesky_Humans: Will it target whistler tips? Bubba's go "who WHOOOO"



4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-11-14 03:56:52 AM
I could personally get behind this one.
 
2011-11-14 03:56:53 AM

AntiNorm: ArcadianRefugee: Shifting the blame doesn't leave the situation without victims of the system.

In your example, I am a victim of the incompetence of the driver behind me, not the system.


True, but when the system puts you into a situation knowing it endangers you (regardless that it does so because people are idiots) it's still wrong.
 
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