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2011-11-13 08:01:58 PM
F*ck your stupid retarded crotchfruit, and you better hope they stay the f*ck off my lawn.
 
2011-11-13 08:02:10 PM
Thank the FSM. Has the pendulum finally swung back to sanity?
 
2011-11-13 08:03:49 PM
urban.derelict: F*ck your stupid retarded crotchfruit, and you better hope they stay the f*ck off my lawn.

There we go, we can close the thread now, the rest of the comments are going to be some variation on this theme.

/ 8/10
 
2011-11-13 08:04:09 PM
I was a free range kid in the 80's. We called that the ghetto.

/managed to stay out of any serious trouble.
 
2011-11-13 08:07:00 PM
I hear those are good eatin'
 
2011-11-13 08:08:22 PM
DeerNuts: Thank the FSM. Has the pendulum finally swung back to sanity?
 
2011-11-13 08:10:11 PM
Vegemite: DeerNuts: Thank the FSM. Has the pendulum finally swung back to sanity?

One can only hope.

Tick-tock.
 
2011-11-13 08:19:35 PM
Gyrfalcon: Vegemite: DeerNuts: Thank the FSM. Has the pendulum finally swung back to sanity?

One can only hope.

Tick-tock.


So now they are letting kids be kids. I mean growing up I didn't have a cell phone or contact with my parents all the time. I turned out normal. Although I did have a lot of stitches and my brothers had many broken bones, but damn it we learned how to assess risks.
 
2011-11-13 08:21:56 PM
hotness: kids
Really, subby?
 
2011-11-13 08:23:10 PM
lh5.googleusercontent.com

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2011-11-13 08:25:17 PM
Here's the extent of my parents guidence growing up in the seventies;
" Come home when the street lights come on"
 
2011-11-13 08:28:03 PM
kyrg: Here's the extent of my parents guidence growing up in the seventies;
" Come home when the street lights come on"


Don't get the neighbor girl pregnant.
 
2011-11-13 08:30:06 PM
www.bvvp.com
 
2011-11-13 08:31:08 PM
Grew up in the 70's in a regular new england suburb. When I was 10 or 11 my friends would play a game that was basically: put a blanket on your head and walk into the woods until we were all lost and spend the rest of saturday figuring out how to get home.

Also I rode my bike about a mile to school in 4th grade (no not uphill both ways).
 
2011-11-13 08:32:54 PM
I guess my childhood was special.

Now see Mom's sitting with their kids in their mini vans waiting on the bus every morning. Kids who are sophomores and juniors in high school
 
2011-11-13 08:33:59 PM
I love the smell of sanity in the morning.
 
2011-11-13 08:34:40 PM
Oh for fark's sake. It's INGLEWOOD for cryin' out loud.

Calgary's always been pretty goddamn safe until recently. I played street hockey for years right off a busy street (Richmond Ave). I walked home at midnight for blocks and blocks and never really worried (although I admit a few vampire-type daydreams).

Frankly it'd be hard to keep your kids OFF the streets in a population-dense area like Calgary. Even if I didn't care for our neighbors, they had kids I could choose to play with. Here, there's no one within 2 miles for my kid to play with. If I had known... :\
 
2011-11-13 08:45:28 PM
Aidan: Oh for fark's sake. It's INGLEWOOD for cryin' out loud.


You know, in Los Angeles that has completely the opposite meaning. They have security patrolling their churches WHILE services are going on.

Regardless, growing up in Los Angeles in the 1980s, I had free-range of anywhere I could get on public transportation. My siblings and I regularly headed out at 5:00 am to catch the first bus to the beach during the summertime, which was probably the longest trip we would take --- about 30 miles from home.
 
2011-11-13 08:46:50 PM
They're more tender than the factory-farmed kids.
 
2011-11-13 08:47:14 PM
Couldn't be happier with my parents decision to buy me my first dirtbike when I was ten. From then on, my range from home was only limited by gas in the tank. Had tons of fun getting lost in neighboring towns.
 
2011-11-13 08:51:54 PM
Born in 75 and was a free range kid. My peers were not.

Note to Couples:

Don't have children until you live in a house with a yard, and it is a house that you OWN. Until you meet BOTH condition, stay on the pill.
 
2011-11-13 08:52:03 PM
Well I know where I'm moving to!!!

www.writtenignition.com
 
2011-11-13 08:52:33 PM
I grew up in the 70's having pretty much free range as far as my legs could carry me. The only rule I had was that I had to tell my parents where I was going. (That could be as simple as "across those fields", not an actual destination.) Of course, I grew up in semi-rural/suburban Iowa. I live within the city limits of Dallas now (place has a suburban feel, though. Big yards etc). Living where I live, though, I wouldn't let my kids wander like I did. If I lived up north of Dallas, say in Gainesville, I probably would be more comfortable with them doing so. The problem with comparing my childhood with my kids is that they are vastly different. If I would have grown up where I live now, my parents would not have let me wander like I did in Iowa. I know that my cousins kids (living in Iowa) are mostly "free-range" within their neighborhood. The big thing is that they know their neighbors and are able to rely on them.
 
2011-11-13 08:52:42 PM
simusid: Grew up in the 70's in a regular new england suburb. When I was 10 or 11 my friends would play a game that was basically: put a blanket on your head and walk into the woods until we were all lost and spend the rest of saturday figuring out how to get home.

Also I rode my bike about a mile to school in 4th grade (no not uphill both ways).


This. At some point when I was in elementary school they cut back bus service. All kids within x miles of the school had to walk, bike or be driven to school. In fourth and fifth grade I rode my bike a little less than 2 miles each way to school. No problems at all aside from the occasional rainy day. I lived.

My partner's niece is in 5th grade, lives about 2 blocks from school in a good neighborhood, all residential streets. Walk, ride? Aww hells no. Her mother won't even walk her to school, she drives her every morning and picks her up every afternoon.
 
2011-11-13 08:54:25 PM
In the early to mid-90s, when I was 13-15, my parents would let me ride my bike 5 miles on busy roads to the nearest town and tool around with my friends unsupervised for 8-12 hours. I'll have my first kid in a few months, and I hope I can bring myself to be as calm and willing as they were about stuff like that. It's good for kids.
 
2011-11-13 08:54:42 PM
When I was in kindergarten I walked a mile to the local school.
This day and age I would be scared to let my kid do the same thing.
However, doing stuff in the neighborhood - no issues. I once picked him up on the other side of the neighborhood to go to a pizza place and withing a minutes my car was surrounded by police - someone had called in that they knew the kid but did not recognize me "luring the kid" into the car. The cops would not tell me who called, but one of them did take some cash from me to get her flowers and deliver them with my thanks.
She did call to say "sorry" when she got the flowers - I told her that I was happy that she did it.
 
2011-11-13 09:02:46 PM
DeerNuts: simusid: Grew up in the 70's in a regular new england suburb. When I was 10 or 11 my friends would play a game that was basically: put a blanket on your head and walk into the woods until we were all lost and spend the rest of saturday figuring out how to get home.

Also I rode my bike about a mile to school in 4th grade (no not uphill both ways).

This. At some point when I was in elementary school they cut back bus service. All kids within x miles of the school had to walk, bike or be driven to school. In fourth and fifth grade I rode my bike a little less than 2 miles each way to school. No problems at all aside from the occasional rainy day. I lived.

My partner's niece is in 5th grade, lives about 2 blocks from school in a good neighborhood, all residential streets. Walk, ride? Aww hells no. Her mother won't even walk her to school, she drives her every morning and picks her up every afternoon.


Yeah I remember my first bike. The freedom it brought was excellent. Yet the school I went to stopped bussing anyone that lived with in two miles, so I got to ride my bike to school. Besides there was a dirt bike track near my school that me and my friends would ride on. I mean if I listed off every dumb thing I did when my parents were not around it would take up at least three pages.
The highlight was getting hit just above my left eye with a boomerang, needed a few stitches for that one.
 
2011-11-13 09:30:41 PM
This was summer in North East New Jersey during the 40s.
 
2011-11-13 09:32:01 PM
There is a time and place for everything. Sometimes you should let your kids go free range, other times hovering over them is a good idea.
 
2011-11-13 09:34:32 PM
Kanemano : Relevant Image

Didn't anyone have a damned bike?

/bike 3 miles to go to the library
 
2011-11-13 09:45:03 PM
Is it really more dangerous than it was 30 to 40 years ago or is just that with the interweb every abduction / kidnapping gets more play so it seems there are more?

I understand that the person the kiddies need to worry about most are folks they know or are acquainted with; and former Penn State coaches, major 80's Pop Singers, and director's of Rosemary's Baby.
 
2011-11-13 10:01:23 PM
JohnCarter: Is it really more dangerous than it was 30 to 40 years ago or is just that with the interweb every abduction / kidnapping gets more play so it seems there are more?

I understand that the person the kiddies need to worry about most are folks they know or are acquainted with; and former Penn State coaches, major 80's Pop Singers, and director's of Rosemary's Baby.


I agree with you on that one. I think the same level of weirdness has ALWAYS been there, it just gets reported on more nowadays.
Hell, growing up as a Free range kid myself we knew who and what to avoid. Of course, my parents instilled me with some common sense. Just get home in time for dinner, come back with all your appendages attached, do NOT get arrested (don't get caught) and stay away from weirdos.
 
2011-11-13 10:02:13 PM
I was born in 1976 and was an odd mixture of free range and caged. I could play all around the woods and nearby streets in our idyllic suburban cul-de-sac setting, but God forbid we ever took the long way home from the nearby school. The "long way" was to leave the school's east exit and walk around it.
 
2011-11-13 10:03:02 PM
I rode my bike on the neighborhood streets when the adults drove no less than 35 with a glass of scotch on the rocks at all times. Seatbelts were what you put on in airplanes. Helmet was the German exchange student. We had freaking lawn darts.

The weak and unwilling didn't make it to 6th grade, as it should be.
 
2011-11-13 10:04:13 PM
Also, hooky-bobbing.
 
2011-11-13 10:07:51 PM
fredbox: We had freaking lawn darts.

Lawn darts, them was good times.

Took us about 5 minutes to go from the target being that hula hoop that came with to the dog, the neighbor, and the old guy down the street. Best game was Lawn Dart chicken, he who flinches as they are tossed at you loses.

For the young uns - behold the glory that was Lawn Darts

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2011-11-13 10:13:12 PM
Petulant Dwarf: There is a time and place for everything. Sometimes you should let your kids go free range, other times hovering over them is a good idea.

THIS. I should not have been a free-range kid. My twin and I were staying home alone, Monday through Friday, when we were eight years old. We lived in a bad neighborhood (for starters, a neighbor across the street was bludgeoned to death and a drunk driver crashed through our fence) and should have at least had an adult at the house while we were playing outside.

My daughter and I live in a much nicer neighborhood than the one I grew up in. That being said, socioeconomic status of my immediate surroundings is no predictor of whether or not my daughter is going to be kidnapped or killed. If she is (which probably won't happen), the perpetrator will probably be someone I know and trust, and that just sucks. When she gets a little older (she's four years old now), she'll have some unsupervised playtime. She's learning who her helpers are (police, fire, EMS, and other moms), that "Don't tell your mom" means "Tell Mom right away," and that only her parents will pick her up from anywhere.

/I hope I'm doing it right
//parenting is hard
 
2011-11-13 10:16:24 PM
I remember being a kid riding my bike and wondering where the fark the other kids were. It actually might have helped me go outside more as a kid; I had a terrifying fear of the sun.

/Which probably spared me a few sunburns...
//It's just really, really bright, and took a lot of getting used to.
 
2011-11-13 10:24:04 PM
edmo: I guess my childhood was special.

Now see Mom's sitting with their kids in their mini vans waiting on the bus every morning. Kids who are sophomores and juniors in high school


It's worse than that; I regularly see parents waiting for their kids to either get on or get off the bus in their SUVs at the end of their driveways.
 
2011-11-13 10:28:59 PM
girljen: /I hope I'm doing it right
//parenting is hard


True that. But you seem damn logical (in a good way), so I think you'll do alright.

/Still trying to teach my son 911... He keeps forgetting the numbers. FML
 
2011-11-13 10:29:40 PM
Just because the pendulum has swung the other way doesn't necessarily mean free-range is a good idea.

The world's always been a dangerous place, but the insanity seems to be pushing 11 lately.
 
2011-11-13 10:35:28 PM
PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: Just because the pendulum has swung the other way doesn't necessarily mean free-range is a good idea.

The world's always been a dangerous place, but the insanity seems to be pushing 11 lately.


The typical American suburb is far from a dangerous place. Most dangers a kid faces are from there own family members.
 
2011-11-13 10:39:26 PM
By free-range kids they must mean kids can wander all over and do whatever the hell they want (like in restaurants) .... oh, they do that already.
 
2011-11-13 10:55:15 PM
We're scared, says Skenazy, because every time something happens to a child, the story goes viral through media channels and gives parents another reason to lock their kids indoors.

That pretty well sums it all up right there. The media has gone insane for ratings.

I grew up through the 50's and 60's and around 1957, in my small town, we moved into a rural area where my home was one of two on a wooded block, behind me, there was one house, then an empty wooded block and in the entire subdivision, probably only 15 houses in a 10 block area. The roads were dirt, many unused and over grown. I had acres and acres of wild wood to explore and play in and did so with gusto.

I'd wander off during the day and my Mom would beep the car horn to call me home. Usually, I was so far away or deep in the woods that I could not hear her voice.

My friends loved to come to my house because of all of the wooded miles and unexplored terrain.

We didn't even fear the huge main canals that dotted the area because hunters were well on their way to turning the nasty Florida alligator into a thing of the past.

I had a rich and delightful childhood. In the small town, you didn't fear strangers, knew the pain in the arses, were taught to respect adults and the mailman was a guy to be respected, not the butt of 'Postal' jokes like today. You even knew most of the cops and they didn't treat you badly.

Today, things are dramatically different. The local population has quadrupled and quadrupled again. My spacious neighborhood is now a crowded subdivision. The majority of the wonderful wild woods have been plowed down. Conservation groups protect the Florida 'gator until it's so numerous now that they live in nearly every pond and mud puddle around and are a pain in the arse. Plus, thanks to unmitigated morons, we now have wild Iguana's, Pythons and Boa Constrictors about.

Nearly daily, the news, in all of it's forms, assures you of a multitude of dangers out there for your kids. Ranging from child predators behind every bush, to gang members to a whole host of natural things which can harm you. Even going out into the sun without sun screen can turn a kid into a festering lump of cancer and if you swim in the Atlantic Ocean, sharks will get you, along with stinging jellyfish, pollution, a rise in the Lionfish population or some criminal lurking along the beaches.

Jump into a pond and 'gators might have you for a snack, it may be loaded with deadly amoeba, infested with deadly snakes or simply polluted.

Our schools, once open and safe are now locked behind chain link fences, have police officers on the grounds and a host of new rules that govern how you dress, what you can carry and what you can say. The city has nearly as many lawyers as doctors now.

Day after day, there are new warnings about dangers which can affect you or your kids. There are thousands of warnings and reports about how the very food you enjoy is bad for you and, suddenly, even your house might kill you. While milk, once considered a must have for proper nutrition, isn't even listed on the food pyramid anymore (bottled water replaced it) and is often considered one step below poison.

Along with all of that, we now have to wonder what DOESN'T cause cancer. Every year, more and more things get put on the cancer causing list.

Funny. I grew up without all of these warnings and I did quite well. So did my siblings. Then again, we didn't have everyone from every media outlet informing us how everything we loved could harm us.

I still like wild Fox Grapes, raspberries, the stems of sweet grass and I know how to suck the sweet nectar out of certain flowering plants. I like the 'cabbage' from a Cabbage Palm and I recall days of laying down alone, in the middle of a big, grassy meadow, surrounded by tall grasses and colorful swarms of Dragonflies, listening to the occasional drone of a distant, small aircraft, enjoying the soft wind and the rustle of the leafs.

I didn't worry about Fire Ants, Killer Bee's, lurking Pythons, gang members, imported poisonous spiders or catching cancer from the sun that tanned my young body.

Often, I chewed a sweet grass stem, enjoying the flavor and not wondering if it had absorbed some nasty stuff from some illegal toxic dump.

I was a kid and I enjoyed being a kid.

Now, I'm an adult and not real happy to be a 'grown-up'.

My wonderful meadow is gone. Someone planted a big house right in the middle of it. The county now cuts the shoulders of the roads and has wiped out almost every wild raspberry bush around.

It's hard to be a kid these days. Everyone seems determined to suck the magic out of it.
 
2011-11-13 10:59:00 PM
I tried to walk to my friend's house ONCE when I was 13. It was a mile and half away. On the way a white windowless panel van started going very slowly next to me. I immediately turned around and the van went up and made a u turn and started approaching me again.

13 year old blondskii was freaked the f out and ran to the nearest store and stayed there for about an hour before even thinking of attempting to make the walk home.

/grew up in the ghetto
//never walked anywhere again until I got to college.
 
2011-11-13 11:15:19 PM
Harry_Seldon: PleaseHamletDon'tHurtEm: Just because the pendulum has swung the other way doesn't necessarily mean free-range is a good idea.

The world's always been a dangerous place, but the insanity seems to be pushing 11 lately.

The typical American suburb is far from a dangerous place. Most dangers a kid faces are from there own family members.


I guess the question is, if you as a parent want to take the risk or not. Suburb or not, it ain't no Mayberry.

/has no kids, but still wishes the world were safer
 
2011-11-13 11:18:17 PM
Some of the most awesome kids I've ever met were free-range homeschoolers. Small-town Kansas is interesting.

/you've never been schooled at math until an eight-year-old corrects you accurately on your trigonometry
 
2011-11-14 01:16:50 AM
apeiron242: Born in 75 and was a free range kid. My peers were not.

Note to Couples:

Don't have children until you live in a house with a yard, and it is a house that you OWN. Until you meet BOTH condition, stay on the pill.


Fark you. What does owning a house with a yard have anything to do with it? I was born in 71 and grew up free range. Hell, my brothers and I were latch key kids starting at age 7 and up. My father was military and my parents didn't buy their own house until I was 16 years old. Renting military houses and living in apartments w/o yards was never an issue growing up. Hell, I loved the apartments we lived in because they always had pools.

BTW, I also rent and have a 2 1/2 year old. Probably won't buy anything permanent for another year or two. I doubt living in an apartment for a couple more years will scar her for life.
 
2011-11-14 01:30:24 AM
exvaxman: When I was in kindergarten I walked a mile to the local school.
This day and age I would be scared to let my kid do the same thing.
However, doing stuff in the neighborhood - no issues. I once picked him up on the other side of the neighborhood to go to a pizza place and withing a minutes my car was surrounded by police - someone had called in that they knew the kid but did not recognize me "luring the kid" into the car. The cops would not tell me who called, but one of them did take some cash from me to get her flowers and deliver them with my thanks.
She did call to say "sorry" when she got the flowers - I told her that I was happy that she did it.



I also walked to and from school starting in kindergarten. The question is, what do you mean by "this day and age"? What makes the deviants in this generation more dangerous than the ones in generation we grew up in? Just because the media is more active in reporting missing kids then they were in the past doesn't mean the threat has actually increased. Use some common farking sense.

I also call BS on your flower story. Cops can't take cash even if it is to buy flowers for some paranoid, busy body.
 
2011-11-14 01:35:47 AM
colorado_zombie: I also walked to and from school starting in kindergarten. The question is, what do you mean by "this day and age"? What makes the deviants in this generation more dangerous than the ones in generation we grew up in? Just because the media is more active in reporting missing kids then they were in the past doesn't mean the threat has actually increased. Use some common farking sense.

That's the weird part. The actually likelihood of something bad happening to a kid at the hand of a stranger is very unlikely. Kids who are not allowed to learn, make decisions, and take risks are a terrible developmental disadvantage.

I see this in my workplace where we hire interns, and recent college grads. Many are absolutely incapable of independent thinking or initiative, and need everything spoon fed to them. Eventually they learn, but the ramp up time, bad habits, and the constant need for validation of their efforts is just astounding.
 
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