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2011-11-13 10:11:08 AM
i56.tinypic.com

seriously. this is about as un-American as it gets. apart from secession (i'm looking at you, rick perry).
 
2011-11-13 10:38:01 AM
What did Romney say on the issue? I know Huntsman and Paul came out against it. I wouldn't vote for Hunstman, but he comes off as so moderate next to these guys... even though he's quite conservative actually.
 
2011-11-13 10:51:53 AM
coco ebert: What did Romney say on the issue?

he probably coughed his answer into a handkerchief. i'm guessing that's another of many issues he flip flops on, depending on the audience.
 
2011-11-13 11:05:24 AM
FlashHarry: coco ebert: What did Romney say on the issue?

he probably coughed his answer into a handkerchief. i'm guessing that's another of many issues he flip flops on, depending on the audience.


Ugh. Disgusting.
 
2011-11-13 11:45:22 AM
Watching political debates IS torture.
 
2011-11-13 11:49:29 AM
That was pretty predictable.
 
2011-11-13 12:33:35 PM
What makes you think they stopped loving torture? Especially when it applies to muslims.
 
2011-11-13 12:45:40 PM
FlashHarry: [i56.tinypic.com image 550x385]

seriously. this is about as un-American as it gets. apart from secession (i'm looking at you, rick perry).


The issue there is that they aren't particularly fond of black people or Muslims.
 
2011-11-13 12:53:56 PM
CavalierEternal: FlashHarry: [i56.tinypic.com image 550x385]

seriously. this is about as un-American as it gets. apart from secession (i'm looking at you, rick perry).

The issue there is that they aren't particularly fond of black people or Muslims.


Or the Messicans really either.
 
2011-11-13 01:00:19 PM
I Have The Touch of a Shocked Monkey: The issue there is that they aren't particularly fond of black people or Muslims.

Or the Messicans really either.


Or women, in general, for that matter.

Or anyone who isn't rich, lily-white, and very powerful.
 
2011-11-13 01:04:15 PM
Sick fkrs.

Applaud torture and executions - boo the gay soldier and let uninsured people die.

WTF is wrong with these pricks?
 
2011-11-13 01:05:38 PM
The next obvious step is this, if its Ok to use Enhanced Interrogation on war criminals, why not on regular domestic criminals.
 
2011-11-13 01:06:35 PM
coco ebert: I wouldn't vote for Hunstman, but he comes off as so moderate next to these guys... even though he's quite conservative actually.

There's nothing wrong with being a political conservative. The tradition has a long and proud history of skeptical questioning and challenging progressive utopianism to keep it honest. The problem is that excepting Huntsman and Johnson, the entire GOP slate has nothing to do with political conservatism--they are REACTIONARIES, including Ron Paul. They ought to be biatchslapped by a voter everytime they claim to be "conservative," because they do nothing but poison philosophical conservatism's well.
 
2011-11-13 01:12:11 PM
coco ebert: What did Romney say on the issue?

He wasn't asked. Conveniently.
 
2011-11-13 01:12:31 PM
Lionel Mandrake: Sick fkrs.

Applaud torture and executions - boo the gay soldier and let uninsured people die.

WTF is wrong with these pricks?


GOP is becoming a party of sociopaths.
 
2011-11-13 01:15:31 PM
...but only on "those" people.
 
2011-11-13 01:17:51 PM
impaler: GOP is becoming a party of sociopaths.

i37.tinypic.com

"becoming?"
 
2011-11-13 01:20:46 PM
Somacandra: coco ebert: I wouldn't vote for Hunstman, but he comes off as so moderate next to these guys... even though he's quite conservative actually.

There's nothing wrong with being a political conservative. The tradition has a long and proud history of skeptical questioning and challenging progressive utopianism to keep it honest. The problem is that excepting Huntsman and Johnson, the entire GOP slate has nothing to do with political conservatism--they are REACTIONARIES, including Ron Paul. They ought to be biatchslapped by a voter everytime they claim to be "conservative," because they do nothing but poison philosophical conservatism's well.


Agreed. I'm not conservative but I will listen to and debate with conservative thinkers/politicians. But some of these Republican candidates are just on another planet. They're utterly unconcerned with telling the truth and the consequences of their discourse. They're also deeply unserious and frightening in their acceptance of willful ignorance. It's the willful ignorance that really bothers me. There's just no excuse.
 
2011-11-13 01:32:39 PM
I swear Huntsman comes from an alternate dimension. One where Republicans are fiscally responsible, rational and scientific-minded.

He'd poll last in that universe too.
 
2011-11-13 01:43:42 PM
coco ebert: What did Romney say on the issue?

They didn't ask him. They only got a response to that question from Herman Cain (for/pro-waterboarding), Michelle Bachmann (for), RON PAUL (against) and Jon Huntsman (against).

FlashHarry: he probably coughed his answer into a handkerchief. i'm guessing that's another of many issues he flip flops on, depending on the audience.

Here he is in 2007 refusing to categorize waterboarding as torture. Link (new window). The way he answered it (would get counsel, shouldn't give specific techniques, etc) sounded a lot like Dick Cheney.

Then he talked about KSM, while disparaging the ACLU and saying what happened to him was exactly how it aught to be (we now know he was waterboarded).

But of course the way he answered it, he could say "I've never come out in support of waterboarding, I'm against torture".
 
2011-11-13 01:46:35 PM
impaler: GOP is becoming a party of sociopaths.

becoming? they are already. they applaud torture, sexual harassment, income inequality, bigotry etc. They're all little fascist dittoheads.
 
2011-11-13 01:49:32 PM
Cain and Bachmann don't speak for me, neither do the farkwits cheering ol' crazy eyes. Huntsman and Paul answered appropriately.

But my god Bachmann sure keeps getting crazier every single day. ACLU runs the CIA? LOL WUT?
 
2011-11-13 01:58:13 PM
violentsalvation: But my god Bachmann sure keeps getting crazier every single day. ACLU runs the CIA?

You didn't know that? Petraeus is just a puppet controlled by the Shadow President - Al Sharpton.
 
2011-11-13 02:03:48 PM
Hobodeluxe: They're all little fascist dittoheads.

Little?
 
2011-11-13 02:06:04 PM
Well yes, they love torture, but my big takeaway was that they also love to nuke brown people. Preferably from orbit.
 
2011-11-13 02:07:20 PM
I wonder how many of the candidates who think waterboarding isn't torture would be willing to undergo waterboarding to prove it.
 
2011-11-13 02:09:02 PM
Serious Black: I wonder how many of the candidates who think waterboarding isn't torture would be willing to undergo waterboarding to prove it.

Didn't some right-wing shock jock talk about the same thing, and they arranged it for him?

As I remember, he lasted like...5 seconds before he gave up.

And he changed his mind on the subject on the spot. Turns out, it 'is' torture after all. lol
 
2011-11-13 02:10:21 PM
It's not "torture."

It's "super-awesome answer-getting."
 
2011-11-13 02:10:29 PM
Serious Black: I wonder how many of the candidates who think waterboarding isn't torture would be willing to undergo waterboarding to prove it.

Stop asking people to back up their tough talk. That's not the Republican Way.
 
2011-11-13 02:10:50 PM
Infernalist: Serious Black: I wonder how many of the candidates who think waterboarding isn't torture would be willing to undergo waterboarding to prove it.

Didn't some right-wing shock jock talk about the same thing, and they arranged it for him?

As I remember, he lasted like...5 seconds before he gave up.

And he changed his mind on the subject on the spot. Turns out, it 'is' torture after all. lol


It was Christopher Hitchens, and yes, he definitely agreed that it is torture afterward.
 
2011-11-13 02:10:56 PM
Remember kids, torture is fine and dandy in all situations, except when it happens to us. Anyone who tortures an Amurricon should be arrested and executed without trial, because we're the exception to the rule.
 
2011-11-13 02:13:03 PM
Can't we just kick Texas out of the union, then round up all the republicans and send them there? Seriously, these peckerheads aren't worthy of America.
 
2011-11-13 02:14:43 PM
Poopspasm: Can't we just kick Texas out of the union, then round up all the republicans and send them there? Seriously, these peckerheads aren't worthy of America.

That's pretty childish.

Besides, Oklahoma is way worse.
 
2011-11-13 02:15:43 PM
Skleenar: Poopspasm: Can't we just kick Texas out of the union, then round up all the republicans and send them there? Seriously, these peckerheads aren't worthy of America.

That's pretty childish.

Besides, Oklahoma is way worse.


The solution seems obvious to me.
 
2011-11-13 02:17:11 PM
"Would you support another country torturing an American that they suspect is a terrorist?"

THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE ASKED.

This is why we signed the Geneva Conventions - to protect OUR OWN people. Both sides agree to a set of rules - you don't torture our citizens, and we won't torture yours.

The knuckle-draggers in the GOP do not have the mental capacity to understand this.
 
2011-11-13 02:17:34 PM
I'm glad to see these debates continue. I have to wonder if the White House is coaxing the networks to keep offering the GOP these free chances to get their people on the air.

They're doing all the work for him. Like he said, he may just stay home and just air these Debates, verbatim.
 
2011-11-13 02:18:05 PM
Serious Black: Infernalist: Serious Black: I wonder how many of the candidates who think waterboarding isn't torture would be willing to undergo waterboarding to prove it.

Didn't some right-wing shock jock talk about the same thing, and they arranged it for him?

As I remember, he lasted like...5 seconds before he gave up.

And he changed his mind on the subject on the spot. Turns out, it 'is' torture after all. lol

It was Christopher Hitchens, and yes, he definitely agreed that it is torture afterward.


You are right Christopher did it but I think he's talking about Mancow
 
2011-11-13 02:22:50 PM
TheGhostofFarkPast: Serious Black: Infernalist: Serious Black: I wonder how many of the candidates who think waterboarding isn't torture would be willing to undergo waterboarding to prove it.

Didn't some right-wing shock jock talk about the same thing, and they arranged it for him?

As I remember, he lasted like...5 seconds before he gave up.

And he changed his mind on the subject on the spot. Turns out, it 'is' torture after all. lol

It was Christopher Hitchens, and yes, he definitely agreed that it is torture afterward.

You are right Christopher did it but I think he's talking about Mancow


Ah, yes, I remember that now. Pretty sad that the few people who decided to back up their stance on waterboarding ended up recanting their views.
 
2011-11-13 02:26:12 PM
Ah, the Christian right...

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2011-11-13 02:26:30 PM
"I will trust the judgment of our military to determine what is torture and what is not torture," Cain said

This sounds like the traditional non-anwer to gays in the military - "I'd follow the advice of the commanders". Don't these jackoffs realize that the president is the commander-in-chief?
 
2011-11-13 02:26:42 PM
Didn't America try, convict, sentence and execute some former Japanese military officials for water boarding American prisoners? If so than aren't they now entitled to posthumous pardons? It is fairly hard to argue that anyone America has admitted to water boarding posed anywhere near as much of a comparative existential threat to the Japanese Empire than the USA during WWII.
 
2011-11-13 02:27:57 PM
Serious Black: TheGhostofFarkPast: Serious Black: Infernalist: Serious Black: I wonder how many of the candidates who think waterboarding isn't torture would be willing to undergo waterboarding to prove it.

Didn't some right-wing shock jock talk about the same thing, and they arranged it for him?

As I remember, he lasted like...5 seconds before he gave up.

And he changed his mind on the subject on the spot. Turns out, it 'is' torture after all. lol

It was Christopher Hitchens, and yes, he definitely agreed that it is torture afterward.

You are right Christopher did it but I think he's talking about Mancow

Ah, yes, I remember that now. Pretty sad that the few people who decided to back up their stance on waterboarding ended up recanting their views.


How is that sad?
 
2011-11-13 02:31:07 PM
bootman: Didn't America try, convict, sentence and execute some former Japanese military officials for water boarding American prisoners? If so than aren't they now entitled to posthumous pardons? It is fairly hard to argue that anyone America has admitted to water boarding posed anywhere near as much of a comparative existential threat to the Japanese Empire than the USA during WWII.

Your facts and logic have no place on Fark. Begone!
 
2011-11-13 02:38:09 PM
LoneWolf343: Serious Black: TheGhostofFarkPast: Serious Black: Infernalist: Serious Black: I wonder how many of the candidates who think waterboarding isn't torture would be willing to undergo waterboarding to prove it.

Didn't some right-wing shock jock talk about the same thing, and they arranged it for him?

As I remember, he lasted like...5 seconds before he gave up.

And he changed his mind on the subject on the spot. Turns out, it 'is' torture after all. lol

It was Christopher Hitchens, and yes, he definitely agreed that it is torture afterward.

You are right Christopher did it but I think he's talking about Mancow

Ah, yes, I remember that now. Pretty sad that the few people who decided to back up their stance on waterboarding ended up recanting their views.

How is that sad?


That they're a bunch of wusses. Presumably they're a bunch of tough guys if they think that they can handle a few minutes of waterboarding, and every last one of them has shown they're weak, pathetic, and sniveling like the rest of us.
 
2011-11-13 02:39:50 PM
violentsalvation: But my god Bachmann sure keeps getting crazier every single day. ACLU runs the CIA? LOL WUT?

I don't even...

i43.tinypic.com
 
2011-11-13 02:41:24 PM
Serious Black: LoneWolf343: Serious Black: TheGhostofFarkPast: Serious Black: Infernalist: Serious Black: I wonder how many of the candidates who think waterboarding isn't torture would be willing to undergo waterboarding to prove it.

Didn't some right-wing shock jock talk about the same thing, and they arranged it for him?

As I remember, he lasted like...5 seconds before he gave up.

And he changed his mind on the subject on the spot. Turns out, it 'is' torture after all. lol

It was Christopher Hitchens, and yes, he definitely agreed that it is torture afterward.

You are right Christopher did it but I think he's talking about Mancow

Ah, yes, I remember that now. Pretty sad that the few people who decided to back up their stance on waterboarding ended up recanting their views.

How is that sad?

That they're a bunch of wusses. Presumably they're a bunch of tough guys if they think that they can handle a few minutes of waterboarding, and every last one of them has shown they're weak, pathetic, and sniveling like the rest of us.


I call it nicksteeling.
 
2011-11-13 02:41:39 PM
The only people who should be feeling any frustration at all are the sane remnants of the GOP.

The insane majority think that the debate went well.

The rest of us are buying stock in Jiffy Pop.
 
2011-11-13 02:45:50 PM
2wolves: bootman: Didn't America try, convict, sentence and execute some former Japanese military officials for water boarding American prisoners? If so than aren't they now entitled to posthumous pardons? It is fairly hard to argue that anyone America has admitted to water boarding posed anywhere near as much of a comparative existential threat to the Japanese Empire than the USA during WWII.

Your facts and logic have no place on Fark. Begone!


Ooh-ooh-ooh, citation!!!

McCain: Japanese Hanged For Waterboarding

Given that this emanated from the pie-hole of a politician I enjoy immunity from charges of facts or logic.
 
2011-11-13 02:57:38 PM
coco ebert: They're also deeply unserious and frightening in their acceptance of willful ignorance. It's the willful ignorance that really bothers me.

I know. The open embrace and promulgation of anti-intellectualism is very frightening. That's one of the downsides of populism--either in a leftist context or rightist context--and its a consistent feature of populism. I'm waiting for someone to attack Gingrich because he has a doctorate in European history. Maybe if he becomes Romney's competitor for the frontrunner status.
 
2011-11-13 03:00:23 PM
The rule on conservatrism is, you're allowed to feel nostalgic for your childhood but when you want to turn the clock back to the way things were before you were born, you have officially stepped over the line into John Birch Society reaction and you opinions can be automatically dismissed.

Cut poor Romney some slack. The guy has been pursuing the presidency for the past 20 years. He's finally gotten to the head of the line where he's supposed to automatically receive the republican nomination and these crazy farks with their extremist views try to cut in front of him (note to "conservatives": if one of your cunning plans requires amending the Constitution, think of some other way to do it; if more than one of them requires amending the Constitution, not only are you not a conservative, you would be doing your party and your country a favor by just going away). He figures if he can just avoid shooting himself in the foot over some ideological quibble the knuckledraggers are worked up about, he can win the nomination. And if he can dance fast enough while wearing flip flops, he can win the presidency. And once he's president, he can enact the sensible policies the country needs.

Vote Romney in 2012: He'll do exactly what Obama has been trying to do, but the republicans won't block everything in Congress.
 
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