smooshie: [i.imgur.com image 500x696]

Beautiful.

Too risky. I'm choosing not to decide.

Had a thought experiment with a friend of mine over a few beers, he made a very valid, and sadly true point. If you go to an ad agency, with a briefcase with X dollars in it, they can %100 percent guarantee Y customers. Free will then must be an illusion. Interesting point he made, my ego still wants free will though.

/butterfly dreaming he's a man

Nefarious: basemetal: I choose not to decide

Then you still have made a choice.

You know, you can choose

a ready guide in some celestial voice
to be the victim of venomous fate
a prayed-for place in heaven's unearthly estate.
phantom fears,
kindness that can kill.
the path that's clear (free will)


/Now loading rush.rock.out.dll
/Nods happily that googling "Rush" turns up more Canucks than Dittos.

The question of "Free Will" is a very dangerous one if it is found that it doesn't really exist.

Please take a moment to learn what Compatibilism (new window) is. The free will debate is AT LEAST a three way controversy between hard determinism, compatibilism, and libertarianism.

I puy my hand upon your hip.
When you dip, I dip, we dip.

What I always heard:

/Cannot believe I finally got to use that pic.

:clapclapclap: +1

Excellent work, subs

whats that one band from canada eh? ya know the one with all the drums?

Off to consult with the Priests
of the Temples
Of Syrinx

Good one subs.

simplicimus: I go with free will. There is causality if one makes stupid choices, but that is not fate or destiny.

Perhaps everything has already played out and we're simply a stencil etched into a black hole...

If God is omnipotent then he knows what choices we will make in life, he knows the outcomes and consequences. He knew this before he created us. Anything we do or what sins we commit is his choice because he knowingly created us. There is no free will only predestination and a reward or punishment system based on the will of a creator. It was his will that I post this.

Because I believe in free will, I choose to believe that this thread will be full of people who want to SOUND smarter than theyactually are. They will mostly end up looking like idiots for trying though...

The "Question of Free Will" is one of those false questions that only exist because of a mass of dubious presuppositions - in this case it distills the inherent incoherence of an all powerful and knowing God.

Sure you can try to frame the question non-theologically but there is always some other self-contradiction that stands in for God.

We have as much free will as the 1% allow us.

Want to update your Facebook account? OK.

Want to go eat at Denny's? Fine.

Want to change the system that enriches the few at the expense of the many? How about a mouthful of tear gas, criminal?

TheFlannelAvenger: Had a thought experiment with a friend of mine over a few beers, he made a very valid, and sadly true point. If you go to an ad agency, with a briefcase with X dollars in it, they can %100 percent guarantee Y customers. Free will then must be an illusion. Interesting point he made, my ego still wants free will though.

/butterfly dreaming he's a man

Depends on the size of Y. As Y approaches certain thresholds, the amount of X it takes per person increases dramatically, until you've raised and army and wiped out your opposition and put everyone who won't brush with your brand of toothpaste to the sword (bullets are even more pricey!).

Coercion != Predestination.

but then again, Predestination != lack of free will, so this is off-topic.

Great Idea for a theology professor: Give a 100-point quiz composed of 50 questions of the most complex erudition. leave the papers face-down on desks while the students file in to sit for the exam. They all turn their papers over after being given strict instructions not to talk. 10% of the them have their tests already filled out with answers - half of them with 100% right, and half of them 100% wrong.

This is a perfect lesson for understanding predestination. Yeah, you MIGHT get a 100% on your own, but realistically ...

simplicimus

There is causality if one makes stupid choices, but that is not fate or destiny.


There can also be casualty if one makes stupid choices.

I refuse to participate in this discussion.

The aliens that sent us here are ROFL.

Sabyen91: Tarl3k: Because I believe in free will, I choose to believe that this thread will be full of people who want to SOUND smarter than theyactually are. They will mostly end up looking like idiots for trying though...

Did you REALLY choose to believe it? Could you easily choose to not believe it?

Hu? what you say? cant here you over the sound of my awesome air drumming.

Close2TheEdge: Tarl3k: Because I believe in free will, I choose to believe that this thread will be full of people who want to SOUND smarter than theyactually are. They will mostly end up looking like idiots for trying though...

Kinda like most Rush fans?

//ducks

Shhh, there hasn't been much music trouble in the Entertainment tab lately. Do you really want the CLASSIC ROCK 4EVER people to begin crawling out of the woodwork?

LabGrrl: What I always heard:
[farm7.static.flickr.com image 274x350]
/Cannot believe I finally got to use that pic.

Me too when I was younger, like 10. New I liked the song, but couldn't figure it out at first.

FriarReb98: Looks like subby made it out of Lotus Land.

Can't say the same for the poor soul that got sucked into Cygnus X-1!

His fate was actually quite unexpected in Book II

+1 subby. An earworm I don't mind :)

I choose to spend an inordinate amount of time fretting over this question thereby leaving me no time to actually live my life

Twin 40s: Close2TheEdge: Tarl3k: Because I believe in free will, I choose to believe that this thread will be full of people who want to SOUND smarter than theyactually are. They will mostly end up looking like idiots for trying though...

Kinda like most Rush fans?

//ducks

Shhh, there hasn't been much music trouble in the Entertainment tab lately. Do you really want the CLASSIC ROCK 4EVER people to begin crawling out of the woodwork?

too late.