He's no Ditko.

Yeah...they just need to go out and "get a job".
Because that's the problem. That's why we have so many out of work.

F*cking asshole.

sigdiamond2000: What is it with so many anti-OWS people mentioning iPhones or iPads in their criticisms?

What the f*ck does that have to do with anything?

Because its spending money that they supposedly don't have, you have the device and its monthly fees, so it shows how moronic they are for crying about making money yet buy their goods that help prop up those companies.

Frank is 100% right, all of them are a bunch of idiots who are too stupid to know they can change the system from within, this isn't egypt where you get shot for speaking out.

sigdiamond2000: What is it with so many anti-OWS people mentioning iPhones or iPads in their criticisms?

What the f*ck does that have to do with anything?

Oh, it's the standard right-winger belief that everyone on the left is a islamofascistcommie who wants to destroy capitalism and thus is a hypocrite for using products produced by a capitalist system

So what.

Sin City sucked ass. If you have to resort to narrating the whole farking movie, something is fundamentally flawed with the story telling. Characters are supposed to drive the narrative, not a voice over.

Both Miller and Alan Moore were great in the 80s and have ridden that wave ever since. They are also both pretty kooky. Must be something about working in comics.

/indie authors are where it's at

Ghastly: Yell at that cloud old man. Yell at that cloud.

But aging is great and makes you wise and shiat. Yet again, the Fark dichotomy about aging rears its ugly head. When you want to reverse aging and extend life, no no no, aging is great. But when an old person has an opinion, "yell at that cloud". Bizarre.

DarnoKonrad: Sin City sucked ass. If you have to resort to narrating the whole farking movie, something is fundamentally flawed with the story telling. Characters are supposed to drive the narrative, not a voice over.

Not a fan of the noir narrative, I take it.

Quantum Apostrophe: Ghastly: Yell at that cloud old man. Yell at that cloud.

But aging is great and makes you wise and shiat. Yet again, the Fark dichotomy about aging rears its ugly head. When you want to reverse aging and extend life, no no no, aging is great. But when an old person has an opinion, "yell at that cloud". Bizarre.

You know there's more than one other person on Fark, right?

DjangoStonereaver: Miller peaked with THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS, and that was in 1986.

Glad I'm not the only one to think so. I didn't like any of his work after Dark Knight Returns and Batman: Year One.

What separates the have's and the have nots of society is discipline (of thought and action) and relevance of skills.

If you have the mental toughness to sit down and learn a relevant skill and the discipline to create good work, you will do well, you will be in demand. This is not the industrial age, you gotta use your brain, the better you are at using your noggin the better you will do. Gone are the factory jobs that can be mastered in an afternoon.

The more discipline something takes the few number of people who are willing to do it. As a society we have to reward those who try the hardest, otherwise no one will.

All of this really comes down to the question, "do incentives work'.


/this age may be the start of the separation of the Eloi and the Morlocks.

uber humper: What separates the have's and the have nots of society is discipline (of thought and action) and relevance of skills.

If you have the mental toughness to sit down and learn a relevant skill and the discipline to create good work, you will do well, you will be in demand. This is not the industrial age, you gotta use your brain, the better you are at using your noggin the better you will do. Gone are the factory jobs that can be mastered in an afternoon.

The more discipline something takes the few number of people who are willing to do it. As a society we have to reward those who try the hardest, otherwise no one will.

All of this really comes down to the question, "do incentives work'.


/this age may be the start of the separation of the Eloi and the Morlocks.

Yeah, you really need to watch this.
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'300' was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. It was like two 12-year-old boys wrote it. It makes me cringe when I see "this is Sparta!" jokes on the internet. I mean, I think some stupid shiat is funny (like moving the comma on my favorite fark memes), but fat nerds that type that shiat on forums are ridiculously farking comedically challenged. I can just imagine them chuckling to them selves as they click 'Add Comment.'

I went to see '300' in the theater when it first came out. I went with some friends from a different high school. where the mascot was a Spartan. After the movie they were all hyped up and high-fiving eachother and shiat like, "We're SPARTANS!" It was the second gayest thing I've ever seen behind '300.'

Anyways, fark Frank Miller.

Wow, that's a disaster of a post. Please forgive me. Bed time.

Can I be outraged by the top and the bottom in this society? We'll just end up with the middle cluster of working people being taxed at a higher rate to feed the rich and the poor.

uber humper: If you have the mental toughness to sit down and learn a relevant skill and the discipline to create good work, you will do well, you will be in demand. This is not the industrial age, you gotta use your brain, the better you are at using your noggin the better you will do. Gone are the factory jobs that can be mastered in an afternoon.

Also going are the difficult jobs that require a lot of study and advanced college degrees like electrical engineering or being a lawyer, because those jobs are being outsourced to Chindia by the bucket loads.

steamingpile: sigdiamond2000: What is it with so many anti-OWS people mentioning iPhones or iPads in their criticisms?

What the f*ck does that have to do with anything?

Because its spending money that they supposedly don't have, you have the device and its monthly fees, so it shows how moronic they are for crying about making money yet buy their goods that help prop up those companies.

Frank is 100% right, all of them are a bunch of idiots who are too stupid to know they can change the system from within, this isn't egypt where you get shot for speaking out.

No, you just get ignored.

Don't forget to vote for the oligarchy approved candidate of your choice, citizen, because that's how you know you're free.

Mrbogey: DarnoKonrad: Sin City sucked ass. If you have to resort to narrating the whole farking movie, something is fundamentally flawed with the story telling. Characters are supposed to drive the narrative, not a voice over.

Not a fan of the noir narrative, I take it.

I've never seen a film noir that narrated the entire movie. They tend to shut up for stretches of time. That's not the case with Sin City. I was about 20 min in to the movie before I realized he wasn't going to shut the fark up.

uber humper: What separates the have's and the have nots of society is discipline (of thought and action) and relevance of skills.

The more discipline something takes the few number of people who are willing to do it. As a society we have to reward those who try the hardest, otherwise no one will.


Only do the a very limited extent and even then the ability to achieve those skills is based on if you come from a have or have not group to begin with. If the amount paid was based completely on how well you know a skill and the relevance of that skill then Engineers would have millions and business executives would make middle class wages at best. If society reward those who try the hardest then the handicapped kids at the special Olympics would be some of the most rewarded. You paint the world as in black and white, but it's not that simple. The system is not fair and does not only reward those that deserve it, and only leave those behind that deserve it. Even those that try hard, have brains and make good choices can find themselves without.

Masso: DjangoStonereaver: Miller peaked with THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS, and that was in 1986.

Glad I'm not the only one to think so. I didn't like any of his work after Dark Knight Returns and Batman: Year One.

I liked Give Me Liberty, but am hard-pressed to think of anything else by him that I could say I enjoyed. He basically had that one great year between 86-87 where he made his reputation, and it's been downhill since then.

HempHead: uber humper: If you have the mental toughness to sit down and learn a relevant skill and the discipline to create good work, you will do well, you will be in demand. This is not the industrial age, you gotta use your brain, the better you are at using your noggin the better you will do. Gone are the factory jobs that can be mastered in an afternoon.

Also going are the difficult jobs that require a lot of study and advanced college degrees like electrical engineering or being a lawyer, because those jobs are being outsourced to Chindia by the bucket loads.

The future is to be self employed. It's becoming pretty obvious that you cannot depend on a company.

There may be other answers but are you going to risk everything on something that may not happen in your lifetime?

Phil Moskowitz:

I've worked with too many people in competitive industries to believe that in entirety. But, I do agree some, that will have to wait for another thread to fully explain (I do have to get back to work). I do believe in Marx to a certain extent (mostly, not his method) regarding his dialectic of history. And that the open source movement is a step to the next level. But as of now, capitalism is what is necessary to get enough knowledge out in the wild, culminating in a critical mass to fuel creativity to the next level.

Sorry to cut the post short, I didn't fully explain, but I really got to run.

Gunther: Quantum Apostrophe: Ghastly: Yell at that cloud old man. Yell at that cloud.

But aging is great and makes you wise and shiat. Yet again, the Fark dichotomy about aging rears its ugly head. When you want to reverse aging and extend life, no no no, aging is great. But when an old person has an opinion, "yell at that cloud". Bizarre.

You know there's more than one other person on Fark, right?

You mean you're not all in my head? Damn my solipsism!

But.. but his material is dark!! For the comics industry it's the equivalent of intellectual!!

Plus his drawings are all squiggly. And in black and white. That makes it art!!!

Plus it has boobs and sex in them. That makes them mature!1111

Oh comics, trying so hard to be thought of as actual literature.

I hear Jack Daniels whispering in his ear.

cenobyte40k: uber humper: What separates the have's and the have nots of society is discipline (of thought and action) and relevance of skills.

The more discipline something takes the few number of people who are willing to do it. As a society we have to reward those who try the hardest, otherwise no one will.


Only do the a very limited extent and even then the ability to achieve those skills is based on if you come from a have or have not group to begin with. If the amount paid was based completely on how well you know a skill and the relevance of that skill then Engineers would have millions and business executives would make middle class wages at best. If society reward those who try the hardest then the handicapped kids at the special Olympics would be some of the most rewarded. You paint the world as in black and white, but it's not that simple. The system is not fair and does not only reward those that deserve it, and only leave those behind that deserve it. Even those that try hard, have brains and make good choices can find themselves without.

I look at things from a self employed point of view. I don't look at if I get what I deserve. I see things - as if I to this, this is the result. I create services that people purchase. If I am creative enough I will be rewarded well. I would never say, I should be getting paid a certain amount. I would never say that if I put in hundreds of hours I should be rewarded a certain amount (their is forecasting but that is a different subject). If I do something that doesn't get a desired result, I try something else. I have to. There isn't much of a safety net for the self employed.

The incentive for this hardship is: that I live life doing what I want to do.

Isn't this the guy who wrote about the ultra-corrupt mega conglomerate OCP in the robocop movies? is he too old and senile to remember the narrative and villain that he wrote about himself?

legion_of_doo: Can I be outraged by the top and the bottom in this society? We'll just end up with the middle cluster of working people being taxed at a higher rate to feed the rich and the poor.

The amount of our GNP spent on feeding the poor is a teeny, tiny fraction of a percent, and if it increases it's because there are ever more poor people to feed and not because they're getting fed any better. The amount of our GNP spent on feeding/subsidizing the rich is approaching the highest point it's ever been, and it dwarfs our spending on the poor by several orders of magnitude (x10, x100, x1000+). The poor are a convenient and powerless scapegoat, same as ever.

cenobyte40k: If society reward those who try the hardest then the handicapped kids at the special Olympics would be some of the most rewarded. You paint the world as in black and white, but it's not that simple.

Also, most people fall within the same range of IQ. There are outliers like your Special Olympics example. Retardation is not just an outlier it is a handicap. Defective. Lazy is a handicap, too. But that can be changed.

If someone with a 100 IQ reads a book a week about his industry he will do better a better job than the person with the 140 IQ who doesn't. I'm more of a nurture of nature kinda guy. I believe people can become smarter, be more creative and make better decisions with conditioning.

He's only 54-years old. He should still be in possession of all of his mental faculties.
His career, his line of work, and the body of his work suggest that he would be a self-disciplined and methodical individual with a high degree of professionalism.

So, how to explain this over-the-top rant? Frustration at recent failures? Personal problems? Depression? Substance abuse? All of the above? Because this sort of public rant works against his own best interests and will alienate his fans and possible future collaborators.

uber humper: I'm more of a nurture than a nature kinda guy

FTFM

DarnoKonrad: Mrbogey: DarnoKonrad: Sin City sucked ass. If you have to resort to narrating the whole farking movie, something is fundamentally flawed with the story telling. Characters are supposed to drive the narrative, not a voice over.

Not a fan of the noir narrative, I take it.

I've never seen a film noir that narrated the entire movie. They tend to shut up for stretches of time. That's not the case with Sin City. I was about 20 min in to the movie before I realized he wasn't going to shut the fark up.

How is that Frank Miller's fault?

HempHead: Also going are the difficult jobs that require a lot of study and advanced college degrees like electrical engineering or being a lawyer, because those jobs are being outsourced to Chindia by the bucket loads.

Lawyers are being outsourced to China and India? You must be losing your farking mind! XD


/That's probably the only degree requiring job that's not going to be outsourced though >_>

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: He's no Ditko.

You can say that again.

Frank Miller is to Alan Moore as The GooGoo Dolls are to The Replacements.

Likwit: '300' was one of the worst movies I've ever seen. It was like two 12-year-old boys wrote it. It makes me cringe when I see "this is Sparta!" jokes on the internet. I mean, I think some stupid shiat is funny (like moving the comma on my favorite fark memes), but fat nerds that type that shiat on forums are ridiculously farking comedically challenged. I can just imagine them chuckling to them selves as they click 'Add Comment.'

I went to see '300' in the theater when it first came out. I went with some friends from a different high school. where the mascot was a Spartan. After the movie they were all hyped up and high-fiving eachother and shiat like, "We're SPARTANS!" It was the second gayest thing I've ever seen behind '300.'

Anyways, fark Frank Miller.
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