Sorry, I meant to say something here but then I saw Mugato's post and forgot what it was.

Apos: What?

Pan Am. It's like Mad Men plus airplanes and minus the intelligence that made Mad Men interesting.

I was excited for it, then I watched the first episode. I didn't care for it and you probably couldn't pay me to watch another episode.

There's a good show lurking around somewhere in "Pan Am," but it needs focus, and the characters need more depth.

Then there's the oddly stylized acting. It took me a couple episodes to realize they were doing it that way on purpose. What "that way" is, I can't put my finger on exactly, which is part of the problem. But it's a rather "look at us, we're acting!" style. I think it's meant to be a throwback to shows of that era, in which reality was heightened (think "Perry Mason").

If they can work out the kinks - coherently gel the soapiness, the intrigue, and the performance style, and give the characters a third dimension - it could be really good. The one thing they definitely have down pat is the sense of being at the beginning of a whole new age, technologically. Watching the show, you definitely get a sense of the "wow" factor that flying had at the time. The show took cues from "Catch Me If You Can" in that regard, and did well with them.

Short version: Not bad. Needs work. No "Mad Men," but then it's not meant to be that heavy. Beats the shiat out of "The Playboy Club," which bombed quite rightly, as it was garbage.

/unsolicited 2¢ off

Frankly I think its avionics failed from the very beginning. I think it should be grounded.

SpikeStrip: i heard it fell flat in scotland.

Heard it's not doing so well in Tenerife, probably due to a collision with another show in the same time slot.

Mugato: I didn't realize Christina Ricci was in it.

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Yum.

100 Watt Walrus: There's a good show lurking around somewhere in "Pan Am," but it needs focus, and the characters need more depth.

Then there's the oddly stylized acting. It took me a couple episodes to realize they were doing it that way on purpose. What "that way" is, I can't put my finger on exactly, which is part of the problem. But it's a rather "look at us, we're acting!" style. I think it's meant to be a throwback to shows of that era, in which reality was heightened (think "Perry Mason").

If they can work out the kinks - coherently gel the soapiness, the intrigue, and the performance style, and give the characters a third dimension - it could be really good. The one thing they definitely have down pat is the sense of being at the beginning of a whole new age, technologically. Watching the show, you definitely get a sense of the "wow" factor that flying had at the time. The show took cues from "Catch Me If You Can" in that regard, and did well with them.

Short version: Not bad. Needs work. No "Mad Men," but then it's not meant to be that heavy. Beats the shiat out of "The Playboy Club," which bombed quite rightly, as it was garbage.

/unsolicited 2¢ off

I don't know. their job is inherently uninteresting, so the show is left to Forrest Gumpping its storylines into events of the 60s.

I am assuming they enjoy it more because they don't speak English. Without the dialog it's hot chicks in sexy period costumes.

Well, Norwegians are poor barometers of taste, I mean, they love David Hasselhoff. And Jerry Lewis. That's Norwegians, right?

SharkTrager: I am assuming they enjoy it more because they don't speak English.

right because they watch it without dubbing or subtitles

SharkTrager: hot chicks in sexy period costumes

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I remember when Patrick Duffy's failed first series Man From Atlantis became a hit in China. This was 1977, mind.

The immense overseas success of Santa Barbara also comes to mind. Too braindead for Americans, but Europeans felt plenty of love for it.

Would discussing Baywatch be redundant?

MiamiBlues:
right because they watch it without dubbing or subtitles

Maybe the dubbing company fixed the script?

"Hey, this show stinks. Let's put in our own dialogue!"

Rent is too damn high: SpikeStrip: i heard it fell flat in scotland.

Heard it's not doing so well in Tenerife, probably due to a collision with another show in the same time slot.

It is popular with Libyan bombers.

MiamiBlues: Well, Norwegians are poor barometers of taste, I mean, they love David Hasselhoff. And Jerry Lewis. That's Norwegians, right?
Davis Hasselhoff was not the reason why Baywatch was popular around here.
Jerry who?

SharkTrager: I am assuming they enjoy it more because they don't speak English.

right because they watch it without dubbing or subtitles
subtitles are ok, but not necessary.

SharkTrager: hot chicks in sexy period costumes

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I prefer my hot chicks without sexy period costumes.

/ haven't wathced "Pan Am"
// Christina Ricci is hot

cirby: MiamiBlues:
right because they watch it without dubbing or subtitles

Maybe the dubbing company fixed the script?

"Hey, this show stinks. Let's put in our own dialogue!"

That could be hilarious, sort of like the dialog in the old Extreme Elimination show from Japan.

Rent is too damn high: SpikeStrip: i heard it fell flat in scotland.

Heard it's not doing so well in Tenerife, probably due to a collision with another show in the same time slot.

It is popular with Libyan bombers.

Around these parts we have to take off our shoes to watch it.

the_colonel: cirby: MiamiBlues:
right because they watch it without dubbing or subtitles

Maybe the dubbing company fixed the script?

"Hey, this show stinks. Let's put in our own dialogue!"

That could be hilarious, sort of like the dialog in the old Extreme Elimination show from Japan.



Concurs.

ZMugg: the_colonel: cirby: MiamiBlues:
right because they watch it without dubbing or subtitles

Maybe the dubbing company fixed the script?

"Hey, this show stinks. Let's put in our own dialogue!"

That could be hilarious, sort of like the dialog in the old Extreme Elimination show from Japan.

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Concurs.

Damn! Now I gotta go find a copy tomorrow.

FTFA: So far, the period drama is off to a solid start internationally, performing stronger abroad than it has in the U.S.

How incredibly fitting for a series based on that airline!!! XD

baorao: I don't know. their job is inherently uninteresting, so the show is left to Forrest Gumpping its storylines into events of the 60s.

I get what you're saying, but the show isn't so much about their jobs. It's about how these jobs gave them opportunities to lead more interesting lives. It's the globetrotting. Yes, they do Gump events of the '60s into the plots a little too much. But then, there was a lot of important stuff going down at the time this show is taking place. Men in space, the cold war, civil rights and racism, and the murders of major national and world leaders pretty much have to be addressed in a show that starts in 1963.

I watched the 1st 2 episodes on demand but got annoyed that you can't ff through commercials and that was that.

ZMugg: the_colonel: cirby: MiamiBlues:
right because they watch it without dubbing or subtitles

Maybe the dubbing company fixed the script?

"Hey, this show stinks. Let's put in our own dialogue!"

That could be hilarious, sort of like the dialog in the old Extreme Elimination show from Japan.

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Concurs.

Suki!

I like Pan Am. It's silly, goofy fun, and there's nothing wrong with that.

SharkTrager: I am assuming they enjoy it more because they don't speak English. Without the dialog it's hot chicks in sexy period costumes.

I never really understood how Baywatch sucked until I accidentally watched it with closed captioning on and had to read the writing. Gaaaaaaaaaawd.

All Latest: MiamiBlues:
SharkTrager: hot chicks in sexy period costumes

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I prefer my hot chicks without sexy period costumes.


Nothing wrong with period costumes

SpikeStrip: i heard it fell flat in scotland.



Sees what you did there.

There are worse things on tv.

Mugato: FerneJohn: SpikeStrip: i heard it fell flat in scotland.

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Sees what you did there.

Jesus. did he just open the Ark of the Covenant?

He's dead, y'know?

Mugato: FerneJohn: SpikeStrip: i heard it fell flat in scotland.

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Sees what you did there.

Jesus. did he just open the Ark of the Covenant?

The Colonel wasn't blessed with good looks. That's why he always had those massive shades and a hat.

Gosh I adore Christina Ricci. I'd like to take her home and keep her as a pet.

FerneJohn: Mugato: FerneJohn: SpikeStrip: i heard it fell flat in scotland.

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Sees what you did there.

Jesus. did he just open the Ark of the Covenant?

The Colonel wasn't blessed with good looks. That's why he always had those massive shades and a hat.

He wasn't a bad-looking dude when he was younger. But he aged into one of those latex Halloween neanderthal masks. Citation:

ParadisePornoTheater: I remember when Patrick Duffy's failed first series Man From Atlantis became a hit in China. This was 1977, mind.
The immense overseas success of Santa Barbara also comes to mind. Too braindead for Americans, but Europeans felt plenty of love for it.
Would discussing Baywatch be redundant?

Dallas was also huge somewhere. For years people in some country(s) thought that all Americans lived on huge estates, dressed to the nines all the time, and wore cowboy hats.

Am I dating myself? I barely remember Dallas, and I don't think I ever saw an episode.

Robert1966: FerneJohn: Mugato: FerneJohn: SpikeStrip: i heard it fell flat in scotland.

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Sees what you did there.

Jesus. did he just open the Ark of the Covenant?

The Colonel wasn't blessed with good looks. That's why he always had those massive shades and a hat.

He wasn't a bad-looking dude when he was younger. But he aged into one of those latex Halloween neanderthal masks. Citation:
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Wow... His eyes even look better. They don't look nearly as small and beady.

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There are worse things on tv.

What's the popularity with that open-mouth buck-tooth dead-eye head-tilt "sexay" look?

/I see it everywhere.
//do that many men prefer the "13 year-old stoned" look?

Suede head: Gosh I adore Christina Ricci. I'd like to take her home and keep her as a pet.

Wasn't she in a movie with that basic premise?

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There are worse things on tv.

What's the popularity with that open-mouth buck-tooth dead-eye head-tilt "sexay" look?

/I see it everywhere.
//do that many men prefer the "13 year-old stoned" look?

It's expectant. It conveys the fleeting impression one has her attention. And I'm sorry, did you not see her ridiculous body? They did not make 13 y/o girls like that when I was in 8th grade.

/probably would have died from complications involving chafing and dehydration.

Huggermugger: Tickle Mittens: [www.masteemag.com image 640x480]
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There are worse things on tv.

What's the popularity with that open-mouth buck-tooth dead-eye head-tilt "sexay" look?

/I see it everywhere.
//do that many men prefer the "13 year-old stoned" look?

She's not bad looking, but she is weird looking - like a cross between Courtney Love and Mena Suvari. That said, there is something dichotomously sultry/innocent about her on that show.

/I'd take a run at her
//But would prefer pre-skinnified Ricci.

100 Watt Walrus: She's not bad looking, but she is weird looking - like a cross between Courtney Love and Mena Suvari. That said, there is something dichotomously sultry/innocent about her on that show.
/I'd take a run at her
//But would prefer pre-skinnified Ricci.

And after you were done, think of all the shadow animals you could make on her forehead. Not just the bunny, an entire pack of dogs.

They must think they're going to make it. Their costume department just ordered a bunch of clothes from me. They had better not return it all.

cryinoutloud: And after you were done, think of all the shadow animals you could make on her forehead. Not just the bunny, an entire pack of dogs.

Do not make a facial joke.
Do not make a facial joke.
Do not make a facial joke.