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(Forbes) Fail Former billionaire declares personal bankruptcy after becoming a hundredaire   (forbes.com) divider line 86
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2011-11-12 12:28:18 PM
This is totally farked up. You have $6 billion and instead of paying off your loan of $3.85 billion, leaving you with still a little over $2 billion to live off of, you decide to avoid paying at all, by delcaring bankruptcy.

If the total debt is less than your level of wealth, how can you be allowed to file?

Another sign of corporate greed that puts profits above principle.

I'm sure if he loaned out money, he'd want to be paid back. Right?
 
2011-11-12 12:30:14 PM
Trance750: This is totally farked up. You have $6 billion and instead of paying off your loan of $3.85 billion, leaving you with still a little over $2 billion to live off of, you decide to avoid paying at all, by delcaring declaring bankruptcy.

If the total debt is less than your level of wealth, how can you be allowed to file?

Another sign of corporate greed that puts profits above principle.

I'm sure if he loaned out money, he'd want to be paid back. Right?


/In before the spelling nerd-patrol
 
2011-11-12 12:34:04 PM
If he lived in the States -Republicans would bail him out with our tax money.
 
2011-11-12 12:38:57 PM
Because People in power are Stupid: If he lived in the States -Republicans would bail him out with our tax money.

This
 
2011-11-12 12:45:52 PM
Because People in power are Stupid: If he lived in the States -Republicans would bail him out with our tax money.

Sorry, but the Dems are the bailout kings.
 
2011-11-12 12:50:46 PM
GaryPDX: Because People in power are Stupid: If he lived in the States -Republicans would bail him out with our tax money.

Sorry, but the Dems are the bailout kings. (new window)


Sorry but it was Bush who bailed out wallstreet with a blank check.

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-09-24/politics/bush.bailout_1_bailout-p ro posal-rescue-plan-mortgage-related-securities?_s=PM:POLITICS (new window)
 
2011-11-12 12:53:49 PM
GaryPDX: Because People in power are Stupid: If he lived in the States -Republicans would bail him out with our tax money.

Sorry, but the Dems are the bailout kings.


Wrooooo-ooong. But thanks for playing another game of 'Blame the Liberals for Everything'
 
2011-11-12 12:54:53 PM
Leverage is a biatch.
 
2011-11-12 12:54:54 PM
Because People in power are Stupid: GaryPDX: Because People in power are Stupid: If he lived in the States -Republicans would bail him out with our tax money.

Sorry, but the Dems are the bailout kings. (new window)

Sorry but it was Bush who bailed out wallstreet with a blank check.

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-09-24/politics/bush.bailout_1_bailout-p ro posal-rescue-plan-mortgage-related-securities?_s=PM:POLITICS (new window)


Don't confuse him with facts!
 
2011-11-12 12:57:15 PM
Trance750: GaryPDX: Because People in power are Stupid: If he lived in the States -Republicans would bail him out with our tax money.

Sorry, but the Dems are the bailout kings.

Wrooooo-ooong. But thanks for playing another game of 'Blame the Liberals for Everything'


It's not insulting that he believes it because he is indeed stupid enough to believe it.
What is insulting, however, is that he expects everyone else to believe it -as if we are that stupid.
 
2011-11-12 01:08:22 PM
clancifer: Don't confuse him with facts!

This,

Meanwhile, this poor billionaire was obviously TAXED TO DEATH.Won't somebody think of the rich children?
 
2011-11-12 01:16:32 PM
Don't let a certain someone ruin the thread. Focus on what was done in one.
 
2011-11-12 01:24:12 PM
coco ebert: Don't let a certain someone ruin the thread. Focus on what was done in one.

Well I am not a fan of banks, but do believe in paying what is owed
 
2011-11-12 01:24:38 PM
Shiat happens. Let's see if he has the gumption to make it again.
 
2011-11-12 01:27:09 PM
edmo: clancifer: Don't confuse him with facts!

This,

Meanwhile, this poor billionaire was obviously TAXED TO DEATH.Won't somebody think of the rich children?


Won't somebody please think of the Trust Fund Babies?
 
2011-11-12 01:30:18 PM
Trance750: coco ebert: Don't let a certain someone ruin the thread. Focus on what was done in one.

Well I am not a fan of banks, but do believe in paying what is owed


I agree with what you said, that's why I would rather people discuss your point then let another farker muck up what's really the important takeaway.
 
2011-11-12 01:32:31 PM
Ireland: Free Market Paradise
 
2011-11-12 01:55:50 PM
GaryPDX: Because People in power are Stupid: If he lived in the States -Republicans would bail him out with our tax money.

Sorry, but the Dems are the bailout kings.


Get it straight, Gary - Democrats bail out failed companies driven into penury by greedy unions, Republicans bail out dumbass billionaires who piss their fortunes away in the "finance" casino.
And nobody bails out you or me.
 
2011-11-12 02:17:26 PM
Assets > liabilities = bankrupt

/makes sense to me
 
2011-11-12 02:19:55 PM
Once again, the hungry investor wins with the sandwich heavy portfolio!
 
2011-11-12 02:31:36 PM
whither_apophis: Assets > liabilities = bankrupt

/makes sense to me


If you are insolvent you can be forced into bankruptcy even if your net worth is greater than your debts.
 
2011-11-12 02:32:21 PM
whither_apophis: Assets > liabilities = bankrupt

/makes sense to me


Oh noooo let's all feel sorry for the poor little rich boy, who only has a $2 billion net worth.
 
2011-11-12 02:37:28 PM
Not to pour gas on the flame war, but didn't the Democrats control both the House and the Senate which passed the bailout?
 
2011-11-12 02:41:22 PM
Tellingthem: Not to pour gas on the flame war, but didn't the Democrats control both the House and the Senate which passed the bailout?

TARP was Paulson's brainchild and was sold to Bush. When Bush signed off, Paulson sold it to Dodd and Frank.
 
2011-11-12 02:41:34 PM
JasonOfOrillia: whither_apophis: Assets > liabilities = bankrupt

/makes sense to me

If you are insolvent you can be forced into bankruptcy even if your net worth is greater than your debts.


Yep. And CH 13 usually only results in restructuring the creditors still get paid, albeit not as much, if there are assets they can be liquidated to pay off debt as well.

And once again a big LMFAO at the partisan trolls who think there is a difference in the political parties.
 
2011-11-12 02:44:58 PM
Tellingthem: Not to pour gas on the flame war, but didn't the Democrats control both the House and the Senate which passed the bailout?

Wrooong again. The bailouts were initiated under President Bush. But don't let that interfere your love-fest for anything GOP
 
2011-11-12 02:46:05 PM
Because People in power are Stupid: GaryPDX: Because People in power are Stupid: If he lived in the States -Republicans would bail him out with our tax money.

Sorry, but the Dems are the bailout kings. (new window)

Sorry but it was Bush who bailed out wallstreet with a blank check.

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-09-24/politics/bush.bailout_1_bailout-p ro posal-rescue-plan-mortgage-related-securities?_s=PM:POLITICS (new window)


The Executive Branch doesn't hold the purse. The Dems were running Congress and Boosh was a short timer. Geithner and Bernanke went to Congress with a big ole Chicken Little story and Pelosi, Frank, Schumer and Dodd all fell over themselves to push TARP.

And let's not mention Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac who go to the bailout well every couple months, to this day. It's been nothing but bailouts from the Dems. Geithner and Bernanke are still taking real good care of Wall Street too.
 
2011-11-12 02:48:43 PM
 
2011-11-12 02:49:07 PM
Mentat: Tellingthem: Not to pour gas on the flame war, but didn't the Democrats control both the House and the Senate which passed the bailout?

TARP was Paulson's brainchild and was sold to Bush. When Bush signed off, Paulson sold it to Dodd and Frank.


Funny how the left conveniently ignores Geithner and Bernanke.
 
2011-11-12 02:51:03 PM
Link (new window)

Hundredaire
 
2011-11-12 02:51:47 PM
GaryPDX: Because People in power are Stupid: If he lived in the States -Republicans would bail him out with our tax money.

Sorry, but the Dems are the bailout kings.


so George Bush was a Democrat?
 
2011-11-12 02:55:04 PM
GaryPDX: The Executive Branch doesn't hold the purse. .

Bush signed the deal. he could have stopped it. he could have fought against it. He could have taken a stand and said 'f*ck no, this is wrong - veto me, if you can'.

But he didn't do any of that. He stepped up to the plate and gave a blank check to his corporate buddies.
 
2011-11-12 02:56:46 PM
Weaver95: GaryPDX: Because People in power are Stupid: If he lived in the States -Republicans would bail him out with our tax money.

Sorry, but the Dems are the bailout kings.

so George Bush was a Democrat?


Actually, according to the more stout conservatives (like my Father... who is so Conservative he makes Rush Limbaugh look like Barbara Boxer) he was more to Liberal than Conservatives
 
2011-11-12 02:59:27 PM
Trance750: Weaver95: GaryPDX: Because People in power are Stupid: If he lived in the States -Republicans would bail him out with our tax money.

Sorry, but the Dems are the bailout kings.

so George Bush was a Democrat?

Actually, according to the more stout conservatives (like my Father... who is so Conservative he makes Rush Limbaugh look like Barbara Boxer) he was more to Liberal than Conservatives


doublethink at work I suppose.
 
2011-11-12 02:59:52 PM
I think he should start drinking heavily...

Oh, he's Irish?
 
2011-11-12 03:02:42 PM
Weaver95: GaryPDX: The Executive Branch doesn't hold the purse. .

Bush signed the deal. he could have stopped it. he could have fought against it. He could have taken a stand and said 'f*ck no, this is wrong - veto me, if you can'.

But he didn't do any of that. He stepped up to the plate and gave a blank check to his corporate buddies.


So true. But don't try to confuse his fans with the facts.
 
2011-11-12 03:05:04 PM
GaryPDX: Because People in power are Stupid: GaryPDX: Because People in power are Stupid: If he lived in the States -Republicans would bail him out with our tax money.

Sorry, but the Dems are the bailout kings. (new window)

Sorry but it was Bush who bailed out wallstreet with a blank check.

http://articles.cnn.com/2008-09-24/politics/bush.bailout_1_bailout-p ro posal-rescue-plan-mortgage-related-securities?_s=PM:POLITICS (new window)

The Executive Branch doesn't hold the purse. The Dems were running Congress and Boosh was a short timer. Geithner and Bernanke went to Congress with a big ole Chicken Little story and Pelosi, Frank, Schumer and Dodd all fell over themselves to push TARP.

And let's not mention Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac who go to the bailout well every couple months, to this day. It's been nothing but bailouts from the Dems. Geithner and Bernanke are still taking real good care of Wall Street too.



In this case President Bush proposed legislation saying that it was an emergency.

This is farking recent history... why do you think we are that stupid? Just google: Troubled Asset Relief Program before spouting off.
 
2011-11-12 03:06:18 PM
You ain't seen nothing like the deadbeat Quinn.
 
2011-11-12 03:08:51 PM
And for the record, watching the historical revisionism over GWB and TARP take place is downright bizarre. it's like talking to a mentally ill person who's gone off their meds. you can show them the physical evidence and prove that they're wrong and they just look at you and ignore reality.
 
2011-11-12 03:12:45 PM
skinink: You ain't seen nothing like the deadbeat Quinn.

Thank you, now I have that damned Manfred Mann song stuck in my head

/Always wondered why all the pigeons ran to him
 
2011-11-12 03:19:26 PM
GaryPDX: Mentat: Tellingthem: Not to pour gas on the flame war, but didn't the Democrats control both the House and the Senate which passed the bailout?

TARP was Paulson's brainchild and was sold to Bush. When Bush signed off, Paulson sold it to Dodd and Frank.

Funny how the left conveniently ignores Geithner and Bernanke.


Again, it was Paulson's brainchild. He admits it in his autobiography.
 
2011-11-12 03:21:45 PM
Trance750: coco ebert: Don't let a certain someone ruin the thread. Focus on what was done in one.

Well I am not a fan of banks, but do believe in paying what is owed


Why? It ain't like the banks would pay YOU if the shoe were on the other foot.
 
2011-11-12 03:22:00 PM
Former billionaire declares personal bankruptcy

Excellent. One of the one-percenters now joins the ninety-nine percenters. This somehow should help me, I'm told.
 
2011-11-12 03:23:42 PM
Once Ireland's richest man with a personal fortune of $6 billion, Sean Quinn applied for voluntary bankruptcy in Belfast this morning.

This is bad news for O'Bama.
 
2011-11-12 03:25:06 PM
Weaver95: And for the record, watching the historical revisionism over GWB and TARP take place is downright bizarre. it's like talking to a mentally ill person who's gone off their meds. you can show them the physical evidence and prove that they're wrong and they just look at you and ignore reality.

pot, meet kettle.
you're engaged in the exact same distortion they are. you're purposefully ignoring the fact that democrats in both houses of the legislature voted for tarp in far greater numbers than even the republicans. you're trying to disingenuously trying to get people that a completely bipartisan bill was executed by the president alone because he was a republican. you never have no credibility.
 
2011-11-12 03:27:37 PM
relcec: Weaver95: And for the record, watching the historical revisionism over GWB and TARP take place is downright bizarre. it's like talking to a mentally ill person who's gone off their meds. you can show them the physical evidence and prove that they're wrong and they just look at you and ignore reality.

pot, meet kettle.
you're engaged in the exact same distortion they are. you're purposefully ignoring the fact that democrats in both houses of the legislature voted for tarp in far greater numbers than even the republicans. you're trying to disingenuously trying to get people that a completely bipartisan bill was executed by the president alone because he was a republican. you never have no credibility.


Of course they did, they had the majorities. But the idea behind TARP came from Paulson, was sold to Bush, was sold to Pelosi and Frank, and then failed to be sold to House Republicans who rallied behind McCain to kill the deal. These are facts.
 
2011-11-12 03:34:17 PM
If he has to file in Ireland, he's pretty much screwed. He needs 3/5 of his creditors to approve of the filing. His only listed creditors are not supporting it. He's been paying taxes and running his business from the UK, but the Irish bank is saying they won't permit him to file from there. I would think it is up to the UK courts to decide whether he can file through them rather than the banks. It looks like in the UK the courts don't need creditors to sign off on the decision to enter bankruptcy. I'm not sure how international bankruptcies work... he may simply never be able to hold assets in Ireland again if he goes through the UK court system.
 
2011-11-12 03:38:18 PM
relcec: Weaver95: And for the record, watching the historical revisionism over GWB and TARP take place is downright bizarre. it's like talking to a mentally ill person who's gone off their meds. you can show them the physical evidence and prove that they're wrong and they just look at you and ignore reality.

pot, meet kettle.
you're engaged in the exact same distortion they are. you're purposefully ignoring the fact that democrats in both houses of the legislature voted for tarp in far greater numbers than even the republicans. you're trying to disingenuously trying to get people that a completely bipartisan bill was executed by the president alone because he was a republican. you never have no credibility.


You're ignoring that Paulson pulled a bait-and-switch with TARP. It was for purchasing toxic assets, period. He declared that completely unworkable the following business day and decided for himself how to spend the money. How he was not arrested for fraud I don't know.

Oh yeah I do know. This was during the Bush Administration, ran according to the Cheney Doctrine of unilateral executive privilege, immune to Congress and the judiciary. Farking Nixonian ideologues.
 
2011-11-12 03:41:47 PM
jjorsett: Former billionaire declares personal bankruptcy

Excellent. One of the one-percenters now joins the ninety-nine percenters. This somehow should help me, I'm told.


My understanding of the OWS philosophy--which is admittedly my little own view--is that it isn't the 1%ers' existence that's the problem, but their attitude. The 99%ers may be jealous of simple wealth, true, but mainly they seem resentful of the fact that the rules are different for the wealthy.

Put it this way: suppose you're playing your favourite sport and there's this one dude who, every time he screws up, pays the ref to rule favourably and let him keep going/make that shot count even though it missed the goal/penalize you for getting in the way of his fist. It wouldn't be the jerkish behaviour per se that's the issue, but the fact the asshole keeps getting away with it whereas you get heavily penalized if you do the same things.

/my two cents
 
2011-11-12 03:44:25 PM
BolloxReader: relcec: Weaver95: And for the record, watching the historical revisionism over GWB and TARP take place is downright bizarre. it's like talking to a mentally ill person who's gone off their meds. you can show them the physical evidence and prove that they're wrong and they just look at you and ignore reality.

pot, meet kettle.
you're engaged in the exact same distortion they are. you're purposefully ignoring the fact that democrats in both houses of the legislature voted for tarp in far greater numbers than even the republicans. you're trying to disingenuously trying to get people that a completely bipartisan bill was executed by the president alone because he was a republican. you never have no credibility.

You're ignoring that Paulson pulled a bait-and-switch with TARP. It was for purchasing toxic assets, period. He declared that completely unworkable the following business day and decided for himself how to spend the money. How he was not arrested for fraud I don't know.

Oh yeah I do know. This was during the Bush Administration, ran according to the Cheney Doctrine of unilateral executive privilege, immune to Congress and the judiciary. Farking Nixonian ideologues.


and you are a liar as well. congress had oversight, but you would like the world to believe cheney was the one overseeing tarps implementation..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_Stability_Oversight_Board (new window)
 
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