thank god Jenkem doesn't do this

More like a decline in parent's cash.
Profitable Prosecution, it's still with us.

cretinbob: If only there were some way to make real marijuana legal...

//yes, you should still need to be 21 to buy it

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ultraholland: thank god Jenkem doesn't do this

Win.

basemetal: Dr. Anthony Scalzo, chief of toxicology at St. Louis University and medical director of the Missouri Poison Center at SSM Cardinal Glennon Children's Medical Center, said it's difficult to prove that K2 caused the heart attacks.

Only one boy had a urine test for K2 and that came up negative, which isn't surprising since the drug has a short half-life in the body, Scalzo explained. All the boys came up negative for other drugs, such as cocaine and methamphetamine, but it's still possible the boys may have been using other illicit drugs or taking steroids and lied about it.

Yep, that's conclusive alright.

THIS +

This article raises additional concerns about the toxicity of K2 and newer synthetic cannabinoids that are out in the market," Scalzo said. "Youth and parents should be warned about the dangers of these substances and that in any given case it is like a game of Russian roulette. You might be the next case report of a serious seizure, mental health crisis or perhaps a premature heart attack."

What is? It doesn't make sense, the kids say they didn't do K2, the urine test showed negative, in fact doctors say it could've been steroids or other drugs.


Aaaaand the article is about K2?? wtf

so farking what

peanuts kill kids too
farktards

Who would have guessed that a chemically synthesized version of a still not-totally-understood complex compound found in nature would produce dangerous side effects when consumed by humans?

The very existence of substances like K2 are a direct result of the War on Drugs.

if they'd just legalize the real stuff it would put these companies and their designer chemists out of business.

namatad: we need more people taking harmful drugs. the sooner they are out of the gene pool, the better.

my not-so-CSB,

im not proud of it, but ive smoked this stuff when Marijuana wasnt available. 'mr nice guy' had a powerful high, and afterwards you would come completely out of the high with no lingering after effects, which was nice.

then they banned it in my area.. which was fine, i wasnt a regular user, i just tried it a few times.

after about 6 months, they changed the formula and it became legal again. (or somehow the head shops got a hold of it.) so for the hell of it, i bought a pack of the 'new and improved' mr nice guy.

it was horrible... the high made me loathe myself.. it felt dirty, my heart was racing, and i just wanted it to be over... and heres the crazy part, as soon as i came out, i wanted to do it again. it was like it was immediately addictive.

i thought, "maybe i was just freaking out because i wasnt used to it" so i smoked it again... same horrible feeling. so i tossed the rest in the toilet (to make sure i didnt get weak and smoke it again.)

not preaching, but i wont touch the stuff anymore. if marijuana isnt available, ill just have to cope with the real world. (lame.)

"All the boys came up negative for other drugs, such as cocaine and methamphetamine, but it's still possible the boys may have been using other illicit drugs or taking steroids and lied about it."

I love how, even after that sentence, they still go through the usual motions of calling both evil.

maq0r: basemetal: Dr. Anthony Scalzo, chief of toxicology at St. Louis University and medical director of the Missouri Poison Center at SSM Cardinal Glennon Children's Medical Center, said it's difficult to prove that K2 caused the heart attacks.

Only one boy had a urine test for K2 and that came up negative, which isn't surprising since the drug has a short half-life in the body, Scalzo explained. All the boys came up negative for other drugs, such as cocaine and methamphetamine, but it's still possible the boys may have been using other illicit drugs or taking steroids and lied about it.

Yep, that's conclusive alright.

THIS +

This article raises additional concerns about the toxicity of K2 and newer synthetic cannabinoids that are out in the market," Scalzo said. "Youth and parents should be warned about the dangers of these substances and that in any given case it is like a game of Russian roulette. You might be the next case report of a serious seizure, mental health crisis or perhaps a premature heart attack."

What is? It doesn't make sense, the kids say they didn't do K2, the urine test showed negative, in fact doctors say it could've been steroids or other drugs.


Aaaaand the article is about K2?? wtf

"All had reported smoking both marijuana and K2 between a day and a few weeks before the attack"..

namatad: brandnewchair: not preaching, but i wont touch the stuff anymore. if marijuana isnt available, ill just have to cope with the real world. (lame.)

wait, what?
you live in chicago and pot isnt available??
really???

;)

heh, it sure is now... but at the time i had just moved in from the suburbs and didnt have any connections yet.

I once sat at a dinner table with a guy who did a bunch of this stuff because he would lose his job if he failed a drug test. He was sweating profusely even though it was pretty cold in the room. He was also mostly unresponsive to conversation.

Afterward, he said he didn't remember being in such a bad state.

/CSB

cretinbob: If only there were some way to make real marijuana legal...

//yes, you should still need to be 21 to buy it

21?!? You shouldn't even have to be that old to drink. As the great prophet Tupac said: "I'm old enough to go to war, but I ain't old enough to drink?"

cretinbob: If only there were some way to make real marijuana legal...

Who currently in power (in both business and government) would benefit from it at the end of the day? That's the only reason it isn't.

basemetal: Dr. Anthony Scalzo, chief of toxicology at St. Louis University and medical director of the Missouri Poison Center at SSM Cardinal Glennon Children's Medical Center, said it's difficult to prove that K2 caused the heart attacks.

Only one boy had a urine test for K2 and that came up negative, which isn't surprising since the drug has a short half-life in the body, Scalzo explained. All the boys came up negative for other drugs, such as cocaine and methamphetamine, but it's still possible the boys may have been using other illicit drugs or taking steroids and lied about it.

Yep, that's conclusive alright.

Chest pains? hmm maybe its that new scary drug I heard about... since its legal... oh you tested negative.... hmm well that is probably it. Anyways hows the diet of cheetos, big macs and energy drinks doing for you kid?

nekom: A Terrible Human: nekom: You could just trip on datura seeds.

Or take a whole box of benadryl. Deliriants are farked up and horrifying. They aren't something I ever want to try again.
Anyway synthetic cannabinoids sound interesting but I figure why smoke synthetic when I can smoke the real thing without the weird side effect of the jwh's. Plus actual cannabis has been around alot longer than these synthetics. I worry about people that buy rc's and such since they don't know the long term side effects of them.

/Don't do deliriants

Yeah, dramamine too. (don't do that). All of that is legal by the way. Legal and horrifying.

As for synthetic cannabinoids, basically you have some random plant material sprayed with ??? in China. What could possibly go wrong?

Profit?

cretinbob: If only there were some way to make real marijuana legal...

It doesn't need to be legal since the invention of NewGanjaBoys grow cabinet (and it's many variations).

My pot costs me between $2.50 and $3.00 an ounce.

If you are reading this you can access the plans. Hell if you can't build it go on youtube and look at all the guys that will sell you one ready made.

You know what is like pot, but doesn't cause heart problems? pot. So you know... Schedule one.

Bob16: cretinbob: If only there were some way to make real marijuana legal...

It doesn't need to be legal since the invention of NewGanjaBoys grow cabinet (and it's many variations).

My pot costs me between $2.50 and $3.00 an ounce.

If you are reading this you can access the plans. Hell if you can't build it go on youtube and look at all the guys that will sell you one ready made.

If you are i a red state (sucks to be you ) you don't want to get anywhere's near a grow cabinet.

Malcolm_Sex: cretinbob: If only there were some way to make real marijuana legal...

//yes, you should still need to be 21 to buy it

21?!? You shouldn't even have to be that old to drink. As the great prophet Tupac said: "I'm old enough to go to war, but I ain't old enough to drink?"

Maybe a person should have to be 21 to sign up for the service. It would end the ridiculous high school recruitment, and give those willing to sign up three years in the real world before getting shot in the Middle East.


But yeah real marijuana good, fake marijuana bad.

A Terrible Human: nekom: You could just trip on datura seeds.

Or take a whole box of benadryl. Deliriants are farked up and horrifying. They aren't something I ever want to try again.
Anyway synthetic cannabinoids sound interesting but I figure why smoke synthetic when I can smoke the real thing without the weird side effect of the jwh's. Plus actual cannabis has been around alot longer than these synthetics. I worry about people that buy rc's and such since they don't know the long term side effects of them.

/Don't do deliriants

JWH doe@nt trip drug tests. Its also faaaaar cheaper. Im a jwh fan - I make a drink with it (aka dissolve in 151 and mix with soda.

Cost per dose is well under a buck. An ounce of decent bud is $100...

Tolerance builds very fast, though. VERY. Thats where people get in trouble, taking huge doses.

tjsands1118: ut yeah real marijuana good, fake marijuana bad.

I've read posters on Fark who smoked a lot of it and claimed it wasn't bad at all. I was ready to try it but read some stuff about people having bad reactions so i decided to bypass it especially since i had plenty of the real thing.

Rik01: I have no problem with people smoking pot.

I don't smoke it, for various reasons, but the major problem I have with it are the idiot dealers always cutting it with shiat!

If they'd legalize it, then you could take the crooked dealers out of the equation and have control over what goes into the stuff.

I couldn't believe the abject stupidity when I read about people smoking pot laced with embalming fluid. I've worked around that stuff before and it's just nasty as well as dangerous. Then I read about dealers cutting things like crack case with everything from baby powder to rat poison.

I'd like to know how the formula for this synthetic pot got out of the lab and onto the streets. Most labs have a strict privacy contract with their researchers and staff. Especially since LSD and Timothy Leery.

lol dealers dont dunk your bud in embalming fluid for free... You gotta pay for that stuff.

Your drug dealer is not lacing your pot with anything unless you specifically pay him to do so.

Rik01: I have no problem with people smoking pot.

I don't smoke it, for various reasons, but the major problem I have with it are the idiot dealers always cutting it with shiat!

I have been a smoker for well over twenty years and know dozens of other smokers. Not once has myself or anyone I know ever purchased anything from anyone that was "cut" with anything. I don't even know how someone would "cut" a bud, beyond simply bagging some plant matter that wasn't pot in the first place and then handing it to someone sight-unseen.

Of course, no one I know ever bought dimes or grams from ghetto dealers so I have no idea how honestly that end of the business is conducted. Reputable dealers simply aren't hard to find, bizarre as that combination of words may seem.

Bob16: tjsands1118: ut yeah real marijuana good, fake marijuana bad.

I've read posters on Fark who smoked a lot of it and claimed it wasn't bad at all. I was ready to try it but read some stuff about people having bad reactions so i decided to bypass it especially since i had plenty of the real thing.

The problem is you dont know which chemical it is. The old ones they used to use were banned by the dea. So now its a crap shoot.

Buy it yourself in powder form if you want.

DreamWeaver: Bob16: tjsands1118: ut yeah real marijuana good, fake marijuana bad.

I've read posters on Fark who smoked a lot of it and claimed it wasn't bad at all. I was ready to try it but read some stuff about people having bad reactions so i decided to bypass it especially since i had plenty of the real thing.

The problem is you dont know which chemical it is. The old ones they used to use were banned by the dea. So now its a crap shoot.


Yep that was my reasoning too.

I might be wrong but it appears that what they are doing is tweaking the formula a little bit each time the old formula becomes illegal. That allows them to avoid the penalty but doesn't allow them to be sure they are aaways turning out a quality buzz with no bad side effects.

It really sucks when my kid pinches my stash. I don't do it very often, and he has a script, but when I do want it, and it's not there -
Fook!

Rik01: I don't smoke it, for various reasons, but the major problem I have with it are the idiot dealers always cutting it with shiat!

i've never even heard of someone's pot being "cut with shiat"

maybe i'm spoiled though

/lives in BC

The fake stuff is amazingly strong. The super stoners I know don't need much at all to get ridiculously altered. For a person like me who rarely smokes anything, two hits is enough to make it REALLY difficult to get up and walk through a room.

I would wonder if these boys smoked too much, if it weren't for the part of the article that said these guys admitted to smoking it between a day and a week ago. It doesn't stay around that long. That's the beautiful thing about it.

Oh, ridiculous articles.

Bob16: DreamWeaver: Bob16: tjsands1118: ut yeah real marijuana good, fake marijuana bad.

I've read posters on Fark who smoked a lot of it and claimed it wasn't bad at all. I was ready to try it but read some stuff about people having bad reactions so i decided to bypass it especially since i had plenty of the real thing.

The problem is you dont know which chemical it is. The old ones they used to use were banned by the dea. So now its a crap shoot.


Yep that was my reasoning too.

I might be wrong but it appears that what they are doing is tweaking the formula a little bit each time the old formula becomes illegal. That allows them to avoid the penalty but doesn't allow them to be sure they are aaways turning out a quality buzz with no bad side effects.

Yea theres tons of formulations of these out there. When they banned jwh018 i went to jwh210 and noticed a slight difference in dosing requirements but not much else.

But again I drink it, not smoke it. Drinking takes abt 45 mins but just like pot edibles... good to go for 3-4 hours rather than the 20-30 mins. I also feel like I can control my dosing levels better in a drink than grabbing a pinch and putting it in a bowl for smoking. Who knows how concentrated or weak that pinch will be - i doubt Mr Nice Guy has strict spraying regulations in place. Its probab/y one guy in his garage heh.

Well, pot does affect blood pressure, and studies have linked heavy use to an increased risk of strokes and heart attacks. It's keeping me away from being interested in the stuff, what with my high blood pressure and family history of heart attacks and strokes.

Thraeryn: The fake stuff is amazingly strong. The super stoners I know don't need much at all to get ridiculously altered. For a person like me who rarely smokes anything, two hits is enough to make it REALLY difficult to get up and walk through a room.

I would wonder if these boys smoked too much, if it weren't for the part of the article that said these guys admitted to smoking it between a day and a week ago. It doesn't stay around that long. That's the beautiful thing about it.

Oh, ridiculous articles.

Marijuana is a partial antagonist of ypur cannibinoid receptors... jwh is a full antagonist. So yeah it works a little better, but tolerance builds exponentially faster.

Im on a tolerance break til december

/anyone got some bud?

JohnTuttle: Well, pot does affect blood pressure, and studies have linked heavy use to an increased risk of strokes and heart attacks. It's keeping me away from being interested in the stuff, what with my high blood pressure and family history of heart attacks and strokes.

no, SMOKING does that. Smoking anything.


Edibles dont.

Now the chems were talkin about are not THC and will behave differently. K2s health effects are basically unknown. Not enough users to really study, and most users are teens who age out of it... into weed, lol


I havent met anyone who makes drinks like me. Theyre good. They work. Id bottle it and sell it if I could...

DreamWeaver: Marijuana is a partial antagonist of ypur cannibinoid receptors... jwh is a full antagonist. So yeah it works a little better, but tolerance builds exponentially faster.

Im on a tolerance break til december

/anyone got some bud?

Hm. So, nice for guys like me that keep it rare; not so great for the heavy hitters. Guess they should cut back, huh?