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Adolf Oliver Nipples

2011-11-12 12:09:14 AM

This just keeps getting better. When this doesn't come off FIFA is doomed. All the graft in the world won't save them.

Mike_LowELL

2011-11-12 12:50:00 AM

My computer runs at 180 degrees when I'm playing StarCraft with hot babes from around my area. These guys call themselves athletes? They need to suck it up.

Fark Me To Tears

2011-11-12 01:01:18 AM

FTFA: But, according to Mr Barrow, the plan for cooler stadia in 2022 may now rely on more traditional Arabic methods - including 'wind towers' that assist ventilation by sucking up hot air and improving circulation.

Well... if anyone would know about sucking hot air...

ShawnDoc

2011-11-12 01:45:25 AM

Seems to me its not too late for FIFA to move the games to some place else. If Qatar is now saying they won't meet the terms of the agreement, it should be a problem to withdraw the award and find a country that's willing to meet the requirements of FIFA and the fans.

MBK

2011-11-12 01:47:30 AM

God, part of me wants to see this blow up in FIFA's face.

But man, the other part of me just loves watching World Cup soccer.

So here is what I'm hoping happens: FIFA had a clause in the Qatar contract that said stadiums must provide a comfortable atmosphere for players and fans. 120 degree weather not being comfortable, they cancel the contract and pick the US.

Can you imagine how giant of a middle finger to the world it would be if they played a game in Cowboy Stadium with that huge TV screen?

Adolf Oliver Nipples

2011-11-12 02:26:40 AM

Lunchlady

2011-11-12 04:12:56 AM

MBK: God, part of me wants to see this blow up in FIFA's face.

But man, the other part of me just loves watching World Cup soccer.

So here is what I'm hoping happens: FIFA had a clause in the Qatar contract that said stadiums must provide a comfortable atmosphere for players and fans. 120 degree weather not being comfortable, they cancel the contract and pick the US.

Can you imagine how giant of a middle finger to the world it would be if they played a game in Cowboy Stadium with that huge TV screen?

In air conditioning no less.

I don't understand how cost can be an issue with these stadiums. They're only supposed to sit 30-55,000 and there is literally nothing else Qatar needs to spend money on for these games. Qatar is one of the richest per capita countries in the world, how is this even a debate?

Chupacabra Sandwich

2011-11-12 04:16:37 AM

So... who wants to talk about how shiatty that France match was?

Knight of the Woeful Countenance

2011-11-12 04:18:12 AM

they're going to kill people. That's gonna be much more annoying than the vuvuzelas

Chupacabra Sandwich

2011-11-12 04:20:17 AM

Also, fark Qatar.

Devo37

2011-11-12 04:32:47 AM

grammatically correct or not, the word is "stadiums". "stadia" just sound annoyingly pretentious.

mattwakeman

2011-11-12 05:02:54 AM

'It doesn't need to be 26°C,' he added. 'Fan expectation needs to be a little more relaxed.'

Well I for one am shocked, shocked I say that the biggest sporting event in the world was influenced by bribes and lies...FIFA, you are a collection of soul-sucking, greedy twats who deserve to be nowhere near making decisions on where, who and how things are done. Believe you me, my expectations of FIFA can't be any more relaxed then they are.

OrangeSnapper

2011-11-12 05:28:30 AM

ShawnDoc: Seems to me its not too late for FIFA to move the games to some place else. If Qatar is now saying they won't meet the terms of the agreement, it should be a problem to withdraw the award and find a country that's willing to meet the requirements of FIFA and the fans.

The runner-up in the bidding also just happens to be the only country ready to step up and host the games on short notice, with its dozens of ready-to-use NFL stadiums sitting idle in the summer. By awarding the games to Qatar initially, FIFA gets to look good by appearing to take a chance on the Arab world. The FIFA officials also get to accept more bribes this way.

Evilsmurf

2011-11-12 05:36:22 AM

OrangeSnapper: ShawnDoc: Seems to me its not too late for FIFA to move the games to some place else. If Qatar is now saying they won't meet the terms of the agreement, it should be a problem to withdraw the award and find a country that's willing to meet the requirements of FIFA and the fans.

The runner-up in the bidding also just happens to be the only country ready to step up and host the games on short notice, with its dozens of ready-to-use NFL stadiums sitting idle in the summer. By awarding the games to Qatar initially, FIFA gets to look good by appearing to take a chance on the Arab world. The FIFA officials also get to accept more bribes this way.

Australia, The UK, Mexico, Japan and pretty much half of Europe would like a word.

/Also, the event is 11 years away. I'd say 6-ish years would be the drop-dead and pick another country date. IF the new country has to build/redevelop stadiums, 6 years is plenty of time.

HideAndGoFarkYourself

2011-11-12 05:40:58 AM

Evilsmurf: OrangeSnapper: ShawnDoc: Seems to me its not too late for FIFA to move the games to some place else. If Qatar is now saying they won't meet the terms of the agreement, it should be a problem to withdraw the award and find a country that's willing to meet the requirements of FIFA and the fans.

The runner-up in the bidding also just happens to be the only country ready to step up and host the games on short notice, with its dozens of ready-to-use NFL stadiums sitting idle in the summer. By awarding the games to Qatar initially, FIFA gets to look good by appearing to take a chance on the Arab world. The FIFA officials also get to accept more bribes this way.

Australia, The UK, Mexico, Japan and pretty much half of Europe would like a word.

/Also, the event is 11 years away. I'd say 6-ish years would be the drop-dead and pick another country date. IF the new country has to build/redevelop stadiums, 6 years is plenty of time.

Um, South Africa too. FIFA has said for the past like...3 tournaments that the contingency plan for moving the tournament on short notice is to always look at the previous host first. In 2010, the contingency was never the USA, it was always Germany.

caira

2011-11-12 05:46:57 AM

That'd mean the first contingency for Qatar (scheduled to host in 2022) would be Russia (scheduled to host in 2018).

Neeek

2011-11-12 06:12:59 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: But that's just it, Qatar doesn't have to meet the terms. They bought the selection committee hook, line and sinker, and if FIFA bails Qatar has them by the balls.

No, they don't. The only countries' courts in the world that would back Qatar over FIFA in this matter are Qatar and countries FIFA doesn't give a shiat about. Making them judgment-proof.

UCFRoadWarrior

2011-11-12 06:29:39 AM

MBK: God, part of me wants to see this blow up in FIFA's face.

But man, the other part of me just loves watching World Cup soccer.

So here is what I'm hoping happens: FIFA had a clause in the Qatar contract that said stadiums must provide a comfortable atmosphere for players and fans. 120 degree weather not being comfortable, they cancel the contract and pick the US.

Can you imagine how giant of a middle finger to the world it would be if they played a game in Cowboy Stadium with that huge TV screen?

LOL....Giant Middle Finger at Cowboys Stadium....hey you just gave Jerry Jones an idea

UCFRoadWarrior

2011-11-12 06:38:33 AM

Never too early to move a World Cup. They moved it from Colombia to Mexico in 1986 after Colombia suffered much damage from a 1984 earthquake (many forget Colombia was the selected host 1986 WC)

Even the Olympics were moved from an original host. Denver was to host the 1976 Winter Games, but a local referendum killed it in 1973....the IOC moved the games to Innsbruck, Austria

caira

2011-11-12 06:46:53 AM

UCFRoadWarrior: MBK: God, part of me wants to see this blow up in FIFA's face.

But man, the other part of me just loves watching World Cup soccer.

So here is what I'm hoping happens: FIFA had a clause in the Qatar contract that said stadiums must provide a comfortable atmosphere for players and fans. 120 degree weather not being comfortable, they cancel the contract and pick the US.

Can you imagine how giant of a middle finger to the world it would be if they played a game in Cowboy Stadium with that huge TV screen?

LOL....Giant Middle Finger at Cowboys Stadium....hey you just gave Jerry Jones an idea

C'mon, you can't do better than Cardinals Stadium for a "fark you, we're taking this away from you because no-one wanted to play in the desert and we're playing games in the desert anyway!"

OrangeSnapper

2011-11-12 07:17:19 AM

Evilsmurf:

Australia, The UK, Mexico, Japan and pretty much half of Europe would like a word.

/Also, the event is 11 years away. I'd say 6-ish years would be the drop-dead and pick another country date. IF the new country has to build/redevelop stadiums, 6 years is plenty of time.

Good point. I was thinking perhaps too much about the whole SARS fiasco with the 2003 WWC, where the games were moved to the US on only a couple months notice. I also remember the US 2022 bid as standing out for being ready to go without any new stadium construction. With a 6 year head start, you're right in that any of the other bidders could get their acts together as well.

AnubisMan

2011-11-12 07:29:22 AM

The locals here are super excited for it, and it's a farking decade out. They're ripping out a shiat ton of roundabouts modernizing their road system in preparation for the coming swarms of people, it doesn't matter what they do though unless they can teach the populace to drive sanely.

digistil

2011-11-12 07:40:45 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: ShawnDoc: Seems to me its not too late for FIFA to move the games to some place else. If Qatar is now saying they won't meet the terms of the agreement, it should be a problem to withdraw the award and find a country that's willing to meet the requirements of FIFA and the fans.

But that's just it, Qatar doesn't have to meet the terms. They bought the selection committee hook, line and sinker, and if FIFA bails Qatar has them by the balls.

This. If FIFA pulls the rug out from under them, they'll go public with how they bought the World Cup.

Lost Thought 00

2011-11-12 08:23:19 AM

The world cup should be a truly international tournament, with 1 stadium on each continent. Yes, even Antarctica.

MissinLnk

2011-11-12 08:34:36 AM

Lost Thought 00: The world cup should be a truly international tournament, with 1 stadium on each continent. Yes, even Antarctica.

I think you're thinking of Nintendo World Cup (new window). Completely different game.

steamingpile

2011-11-12 09:35:03 AM

Doesn't Qatar have the same restrictions on alcohol and women covering up as other middle east countries do? That you can't buy beer at an event or that brazillian or other hotties from soccer nations will have to cover up will severely dampen viewers for the WC.

SharkTrager

2011-11-12 09:48:30 AM

digistil: Adolf Oliver Nipples: ShawnDoc: Seems to me its not too late for FIFA to move the games to some place else. If Qatar is now saying they won't meet the terms of the agreement, it should be a problem to withdraw the award and find a country that's willing to meet the requirements of FIFA and the fans.

But that's just it, Qatar doesn't have to meet the terms. They bought the selection committee hook, line and sinker, and if FIFA bails Qatar has them by the balls.

This. If FIFA pulls the rug out from under them, they'll go public with how they bought the World Cup.

In 6 years there is still time to move the games and the people they bribed will be long gone. FIFA can even use the bribes as the reason and claim they are cleaning up previous dishonesty.

beta_plus

2011-11-12 09:53:19 AM

The US should not have won, but Qatar and Russia? With Japan promising a World Cup out of William Gibson. WTF was FIFA thinking?

timswar

2011-11-12 10:05:36 AM

If only the FIFA could have known in advance how difficult and expensive that level of air conditioning would be.

Like, if there wears perhaps another architect in the world they could have consulted.

It's a shame the Qatar had hired the only one on the planet.

There are plenty of viable backup countries. Lots of countries who already have the requisite number of stadiums built and can already accommodate the level of tourism. There is no need to put the athletes and fans in an environment that endangers their health.

/They've cancelled the Chicago Marathon because the temp exceeded 80 degrees. Don't pretend these athletes won't be at risk in the summer in Qatar.

steamingpile

2011-11-12 10:15:03 AM

After reading up on the laws in Qatar I think these events will be the least attended by foreigners, no showing alcohol in public and being drunk in public will get you jail time? Holy fark, their jails will be full of soccer hooligans!

ottawaboy

2011-11-12 10:20:39 AM

This is the architect's suggestion... the authorities in Qatar have already responded saying that AC is still in the works.
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SlothB77

2011-11-12 10:30:28 AM

forget the fans what about the players

Adolf Oliver Nipples

2011-11-12 10:58:46 AM

Neeek: Adolf Oliver Nipples: But that's just it, Qatar doesn't have to meet the terms. They bought the selection committee hook, line and sinker, and if FIFA bails Qatar has them by the balls.

No, they don't. The only countries' courts in the world that would back Qatar over FIFA in this matter are Qatar and countries FIFA doesn't give a shiat about. Making them judgment-proof.

Judgment-proof? You misunderstand. I'm not talking about courts and laws, I'm talking about how FIFA officials took bribes from Qatar to give them the bid. Right now FIFA can deny it and (sort of) get away with it, but if they pull Qatar's bid they'll be undeniably exposed. It's good old-fashioned blackmail. Once you're bought you stay bought, because if you don't everybody will find out.

Hoarseman

2011-11-12 11:39:16 AM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Neeek: Adolf Oliver Nipples: But that's just it, Qatar doesn't have to meet the terms. They bought the selection committee hook, line and sinker, and if FIFA bails Qatar has them by the balls.

No, they don't. The only countries' courts in the world that would back Qatar over FIFA in this matter are Qatar and countries FIFA doesn't give a shiat about. Making them judgment-proof.

Judgment-proof? You misunderstand. I'm not talking about courts and laws, I'm talking about how FIFA officials took bribes from Qatar to give them the bid. Right now FIFA can deny it and (sort of) get away with it, but if they pull Qatar's bid they'll be undeniably exposed. It's good old-fashioned blackmail. Once you're bought you stay bought, because if you don't everybody will find out.

Since when did FIFA care about being known as corrupt?

From_The_Year_2000

2011-11-12 11:45:49 AM

beta_plus: The US should not have won, but Qatar and Russia? With Japan promising a World Cup out of William Gibson. WTF was FIFA thinking?

Why should US not have won? Too soon since the last time?

mikaloyd

2011-11-12 11:47:58 AM

steamingpile: Doesn't Qatar have the same restrictions on alcohol and women covering up as other middle east countries do? That you can't buy beer at an event or that brazillian or other hotties from soccer nations will have to cover up will severely dampen viewers for the WC.

Doesnt matter. The WC will still claim 11 billion people watch it.

Quotizmo

2011-11-12 11:57:27 AM

caira: C'mon, you can't do better than Cardinals Stadium for a "fark you, we're taking this away from you because no-one wanted to play in the desert and we're playing games in the desert anyway!"

Cardinals Stadium, located in Glendale, about 20 miles west of Downtown Phoenix. The stadium is the first and only stadium in North America that is capable of completely removing the grass playing field from the stadium. In fact, the grass field remains outside the stadium in the sun until game day to get the maximum amount of sunshine and nourishment, eliminating humidity problems inside the stadium and providing unrestricted access to the stadium floor for events and staging. The tray rests atop tracks and rolls out on steel wheel sets powered by small electric motors. It takes approximately 45-60 minutes to move the tray completely in/out of the stadium. The tray supports approximately 94,000 square feet (over 2 acres) of natural grass. World-renowned architect Peter Eisenman, along with HOK Sport, created the exterior design of the stadium.

/America is awesome!

expobill

2011-11-12 12:01:21 PM

Chupacabra Sandwich: So... who wants to talk about how shiatty that France match was?

Howard made a great save, US was dismal offensively and France had too many missed chances.

TheManofPA

2011-11-12 12:22:39 PM

You know, that country is small enough that when they start arresting hooligans, I could see this leading to a revolution. Enough drunken English soccer fans with no regard for their wellbeing might be enough to take over the country. Imagine this guy at UN security meetings:
t2.gstatic.com

ChrisDe

2011-11-12 12:24:30 PM

I'll bet that if someone were to look deep enough, they might find that the decision to give Qatar the World Cup was based on money exchanging hands.

Ya think?

Woolwine

2011-11-12 12:29:02 PM

Chupacabra Sandwich: So... who wants to talk about how shiatty that France match was?

Wasn't as bad as I thought it would be, but the same problems arose. good defense (until a brain fart leads to a goal), and only when we go down 1-0 do we start creating chances, and by then it's too late.

jake_lex

2011-11-12 12:48:45 PM

What I love most about this story is that the architect saying "No way you can air-condition a stadium" is the same guy who Qatar used to reassure FIFA that you could, in fact, air-condition a stadium.

Well, I'm also sure that "reassurance" was backed up with shiatloads of cash.

Lunchlady

2011-11-12 01:32:36 PM

jake_lex: What I love most about this story is that the architect saying "No way you can air-condition a stadium" is the same guy who Qatar used to reassure FIFA that you could, in fact, air-condition a stadium.

Well, I'm also sure that "reassurance" was backed up with shiatloads of cash.

I don't understand his argument at all. How many MLB stadiums manage to air condition a stadium 70 times a year and they're the same size as what he's talking about. Hell Cowboy stadium probably needs it's on powerplant and it still manages. These stadium are gonna be used about 5 times each and Qatar has so much money they're just building shiat for fun.

Unless he's just trying to get cute with physics so everyone can come away saying how much of a genius he is the argument doesn't make any sense.

balloot

2011-11-12 01:36:14 PM

It's almost like FIFA is trying to make the World Cup venues as unbearable as possible.

Oh...so you were able to handle a crime-ridden country where it is difficult to travel between venues and the locals drown out all fan cheering with awful monotone kazoos?

Well how about this: now the games will be held in 110 degree heat, and if you drink alcohol in public or so much as appear drunk you will be arrested. Oh, and if you are a woman you better keep in line and respect the wishes of Allah. Have a nice World Cup!

LawyersRock

2011-11-12 01:43:37 PM

No comments yet on how ridiculous the stadium in the picture is? It's a giant basket!

Dinobot

2011-11-12 01:54:25 PM

steamingpile: After reading up on the laws in Qatar I think these events will be the least attended by foreigners, no showing alcohol in public and being drunk in public will get you jail time? Holy fark, their jails will be full of soccer hooligans!

this man has a good point. id not like to be deprived of 2022's version of larissa riquelme, or whatever her name is spelled liked.

neuroflare

2011-11-12 02:05:49 PM

Every time someone mentions the Qatar world cup I'm reminded of this rant I saw on fark one day. (new window)

I don't know who the origin is but someone received it as an email from their brother.

Malcolm_Sex

2011-11-12 02:20:41 PM

I don't understand this shiat at all. They act like they want to get America to give a shiat about soccer then deny their bid so they can give it to a country no American in their right mind would ever visit. Does this not put the English, French, Canadian(It could happen in 10 years) and the U.S. teams at a huge security risk for the entire tournament? If I was a player I wouldn't go and as a fan I definitely wouldn't go to a country that arrests people for drinking.

brapbrapbrap

2011-11-12 03:38:01 PM

Malcolm_Sex: I don't understand this shiat at all. They act like they want to get America to give a shiat about soccer then deny their bid so they can give it to a country no American in their right mind would ever visit. Does this not put the English, French, Canadian(It could happen in 10 years) and the U.S. teams at a huge security risk for the entire tournament? If I was a player I wouldn't go and as a fan I definitely wouldn't go to a country that arrests people for drinking.

Qatar is not exactly Iraq or Syria - nobody is going to get blown up. I also suspect that drinking laws will be relaxed for the tournament, in and around the stadiums and hotels at least. I'm pretty sure they turn a blind eye to scantily-clad foreign women as long as they don't venture too far from their hotels anyway - they do in the UAE at least. Qatar will be desperate to give a good impression to the world so I imagine security will be extremely tight and common sense will be used with regards to drinking etc as long as people don't take liberties - it is their country and laws after all. The heat will be the main problem.

beta_plus

2011-11-12 03:39:13 PM

From_The_Year_2000: beta_plus: The US should not have won, but Qatar and Russia? With Japan promising a World Cup out of William Gibson. WTF was FIFA thinking?

Why should US not have won? Too soon since the last time?

That and as I understand we had a pretty weak proposal - though I admit I heard that second hand and can't find a reference.

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