I'm in favor of doing whatever it takes, as long as it doesn't directly affect me.

Old people don't want to cut SS or Medicare. You gotta be shiatting me.

Rafterman2: Newsflash: Not all GOP voters are old farts. Not even here in Florida.

Who said all?

FTFA: The issues are particularly important in Florida, which has the largest number of retirees in the nation. The poll shows that 60 percent of the Republican primary voters in Florida are retired,...

Rafterman2: So, perhaps GOP voters here in Florida are finally getting their collective heads out of their butts? Not just the retired ones, either.

I'll believe it when Rick Scott is out of office.

Rafterman2: Maybe (hopefully) GOP voters down here are starting to come to their senses... not holding my breath, though.

If they did they wouldn't be GOP voters.

/Woo hoo! First greenlight!

congrats!

Florida Republicans know: If we get rid of all the socialism we can save Medicare!!!!

Corvus: Florida Republicans know: If we get rid of all the socialism we can save Medicare!!!!

This is the problem. Tons of surveys show people have Democratic leanings, but vote Republican because the evil, sekrit Muslim in the White House wants to take away their guns and tax them to death. Republicans are much better at getting their message across, mostly because they've recently resorted to outright lies and fabrication.

People who live in Gods waiting room, are against cuts to social security and medicare, I am shocked.

NewportBarGuy: They can have it all because deficits just don't matter, right?

Exactly. No one cared about the deficit under Bush, but the SECOND a black democrat enters office, suddenly it's the biggest crisis our country has ever faced.
We are not Greece. Our GDP is above the deficit, so we're technically not "in debt" yet. We're just carrying a balance.
The problem isn't a lack of capital, it's a lack of demand. Yes, there are problems with the budget. LOTS of problems. But it's not our top priority. Every administration has seen debt since Andrew Johnson. The Teabaggers are acting like this is something new.

Also, Obama can't do shiat about the budget. That falls onto Congress, and the House is currently red. You have seen the enemy, and the enemy is you. It's all because of freshman ideologues who stop and cry like toddlers when they don't get their way that caused the lockdown.

You watch, next year the GOP will run from "Let's shut down social security and medicare!" so fast you'd think it was Obama's idea.

Either that or they'll double down on the derp and lose all 50 states in November.

overfienduglar: People who live in Gods waiting room, are against cuts to social security and medicare, I am shocked.

Does anyone really live in Florida?

Old people would rather do just about anything than cut social security.

Not that this is wrong (we should limit our foreign adventures and re-assess our tax code before cutting social spending) but it is hardly surprising.

They'd also so we should cut spending on roads, science, education, and any social welfare that only goes to non-retired people.

So let me know when they actually start voting according to their feelings on the future of medicaid / medicare and SS. Until then, to the bar!

Rafterman2: Gov. Scott has done ok.

Yes, testing welfare recipients was not only genius but productive.

Rafterman2: colithian: No one cared about the deficit under Bush, but the SECOND a black democrat enters office, suddenly it's the biggest crisis our country has ever faced.

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I realize it sounds trolly, but I tend to agree. And I see the Republican strategy, they didn't have anything else to attack the president upon when he arrived in office, they had to pick, the issue the voters would listen and pay attention to, to begin firing shells.

The more I realize Republicans, by and large, think this way, I realize it is really polarizing issues like abortion that keep them voting for Republicans.

Rafterman2: Soup4Bonnie: Rafterman2: Gov. Scott has done ok.

Yes, testing welfare recipients was not only genius but productive.

Shrug. I get drug tested as a condition of my employment. Why shouldn't welfare recipients be tested as well?

Ok you going to pay for it with your taxes being raised?

Rafterman2: Shrug. I get drug tested as a condition of my employment. Why shouldn't welfare recipients be tested as well?

Safety considerations aside, your private employer can make you belong to a specific religion, fire you if you drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes, and make all kinds of things conditions of your employment that the gov't is not permitted to do. But you already knew that.

TimonC346: The more I realize Republicans, by and large, think this way, I realize it is really polarizing issues like abortion that keep them voting for Republicans.

Now it's totally planned by them that way. They do focus groups testing to find issues that make people vote against the 90% of things they are for and make them key issues of elections.

That's why you will never see the GOP become moderates on social issues because if they did they would never win.

Corvus: Ok you going to pay for it with your taxes being raised?

Pay for it? It pays for itself when you don't have to give 1 out of every 1,000 tested their $500. Assuming, of course, the test only costs 50 cents. Otherwise it's a big waste of money.

Soup4Bonnie: Rafterman2: Gov. Scott has done ok.

Yes, testing welfare recipients was not only genius but productive.

I hears it's doing a great job of dispelling the myth that all welfare recipients are drug addicts.

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Rafterman2: colithian: No one cared about the deficit under Bush, but the SECOND a black democrat enters office, suddenly it's the biggest crisis our country has ever faced.

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"Reagan proved deficits don't matter"
Dick Cheney/ troll

Shrug. I get drug tested as a condition of my employment. Why shouldn't welfare recipients be tested as well?

Because its an invasion of privacy.

Rafterman2: Soup4Bonnie: Rafterman2: Gov. Scott has done ok.

Yes, testing welfare recipients was not only genius but productive.

Shrug. I get drug tested as a condition of my employment. Why shouldn't welfare recipients be tested as well?

Besides the whole invasion of privacy thing?

It's also a scam to make money for Gov. Scott and not an attempt to reign in wasteful spending on drug addicts, because those on welfare aren't drug addicts?

So, Florida's Republicans hate America?

Don't worry folks, the Florida tag will return shortly.
Also,
Most Republicans hate America, freedom and liberty. So if you have to vote Republican, your choices are few... very few.

Rafterman

You know what would be a good way to address that? Banning drug tests outside a few specific sectors where being on drugs is a safety hazard. There's no good reason you need to pee in a cup to work retail.

But Rick Scott didn't do that. He didn't adhere to the small government philosophy Republicans so loudly profess. He passed a law whose only two purposes were to humiliate people for being on public assistance and make his company a lot of cash.

If you start cutting medicare and SS, old people will vote your ass out of office

On policy Americans are usually with Democrats, but Republicans usually win on style.

Rafterman2: StoneColdAtheist: Rafterman2: Shrug. I get drug tested as a condition of my employment. Why shouldn't welfare recipients be tested as well?

Safety considerations aside, your private employer can make you belong to a specific religion, fire you if you drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes, and make all kinds of things conditions of your employment that the gov't is not permitted to do. But you already knew that.

Not quite. From the injunction blocking the drug testing: (new window - warning: pdf)

"As a complement to this provision, 21 U.S.C. § 862b provides: "Notwithstanding any other provision of law, States shall not be prohibited by the Federal Government from testing welfare recipients for use of controlled substances nor from sanctioning welfare recipients who test positive for use of controlled substances." 21 U.S.C. § 862b. Thus, Congress authorizes states to test welfare recipients for controlled substances and to sanction those who test positive, but it does not provide guidance on the manner in which states are permitted to do so consistent with constitutional mandates."

Interesting numbers, though. I hadn't realized that the initial positive results were so low.

LOL...yes, quite. IANAL, but the statute appears in effect to read, "we make no law saying you can't, but good luck getting that past the courts".

winterwhile: its not a taxing problem

its a spending problem

Yep, we're spending too much on foreign wars and providing tax loopholes. Glad you're on the right side of the issue.

winterwhile: its not a taxing problem

its a spending problem

winterwhile isn't a posting in threads problem.
winterwhile is a still breathing problem.