How does a Lithium ion battery catch on fire? Or even explode, or whatnot?

It's all a tea bagger conspiracy because of environmentalism and racism and jesus and the bible and people with kids on airplanes.

ragekage: How does a Lithium ion battery catch on fire? Or even explode, or whatnot?

poorly designed battery that overheats during charging would be my first guess

Though there are some farkers floating around who'll know, and countless fools who don't who'll flout their lack of knowledge.

An abandoned, wrecked auto, ignored and left in an open parking lot for three weeks, catches fire.

Non-story.

loonatic112358: ragekage: How does a Lithium ion battery catch on fire? Or even explode, or whatnot?

poorly designed battery that overheats during charging would be my first guess

Though there are some farkers floating around who'll know, and countless fools who don't who'll flout their lack of knowledge.

This particular one was after a crash test, so it's safe to assume some damage was in the mix as well.

/it still probably shouldn't do that

raygundan: This particular one was after a crash test, so it's safe to assume some damage was in the mix as well.

perhaps the casing was cracked allowing a chemical reaction between cumbustible chemicals to occur

Back in 2006 all sorts of laptop companies were recalling batteries because of a fire problems.

http://computer.howstuffworks.com/dell-battery-fire.htm

Caught fire three weeks after the crash test. Oh the humanity.

GORDON: It's all a tea bagger conspiracy because of environmentalism and racism and jesus and the bible and people with kids on airplanes.

Don't forget that the evil government gave them money to further their evil causes. So any car they create now is evil.

loonatic112358: ragekage: How does a Lithium ion battery catch on fire? Or even explode, or whatnot?

poorly designed battery that overheats during charging would be my first guess

Though there are some farkers floating around who'll know, and countless fools who don't who'll flout their lack of knowledge.

Why would anyone bother charging a battery on a wrecked car?

/I'm betting spilled chems met a flammable surface. First rule - don't leave combustible materials in a pile of garbage.

A * B * C = X.

If X is less than the cost of a recall, they won't do one.

loonatic112358: countless fools who don't who'll flout their lack of knowledge

So far, just one. The word you want is flaunt, moran.

eggrolls: Why would anyone bother charging a battery on a wrecked car?

I was thinking about the other incident (new window)

though that could have been on the homeowner and or on the electrician who installed the charger

loonatic112358: raygundan: This particular one was after a crash test, so it's safe to assume some damage was in the mix as well.

perhaps the casing was cracked allowing a chemical reaction between cumbustible chemicals to occur

Probably something like that. Long story short: enough energy to move a car stored in one place is enough energy to make a big fire. This is going to be true whether it's 15 gallons of gasoline or 500lbs of battery pack or a unicorn-horn reactor.

Urmuf Hamer: So far, just one. The word you want is flaunt, moran.

damnit

You're right

you win this time Jerry

Urmuf Hamer: loonatic112358: countless fools who don't who'll flout their lack of knowledge

So far, just one. The word you want is flaunt, moran.

Negatory there, Mr. Professor:

Flout (new window)

Like my old bumper sticker, "I Brake for Pintos."

If physically abused or overcharged, Lithium-Ion batteries can emit hydrogen. If the hydrogen is ignited, it speeds the process along, and *kaboom*.

loonatic112358: eggrolls: Why would anyone bother charging a battery on a wrecked car?

I was thinking about the other incident (new window)

though that could have been on the homeowner and or on the electrician who installed the charger

True enough. I just get irked that the naysayers treat electric cars and the charging systems with the same level of danger as an unlicensed nuclear accelerator, when their dryer is already hooked up to a 220/240 line.

/And they never clean the filter.

Placebo_Effect: If physically abused or overcharged, Lithium-Ion batteries can emit hydrogen. If the hydrogen is ignited, it speeds the process along, and *kaboom*.

It's the "Illudium Q -36 Modulator that really creates those earth shattering Kabooms

eggrolls: loonatic112358: eggrolls: Why would anyone bother charging a battery on a wrecked car?

I was thinking about the other incident (new window)

though that could have been on the homeowner and or on the electrician who installed the charger

True enough. I just get irked that the naysayers treat electric cars and the charging systems with the same level of danger as an unlicensed nuclear accelerator, when their dryer is already hooked up to a 220/240 line.

/And they never clean the filter.

I just hope it doesn't shock people away from the Volt, I sort of want one.
/of course I'd get a charge out of that if I owned one
//revolting isn't it

LIthium-ion batteries can catch on fire? Who knew?

So because an intentionally damaged battery caught fire the NHTSA is getting their panties in a twist?

My high-powered bicycle headlights require certain precautions when charging the batteries. If I ever damage the battery, it'll go outside and away from the house.

Chevello: Negatory there, Mr. Professor:

Reading comprehension not a forté, eh Chevello?

Backing away from threadjack: Too little info to derive reasons for fire. Results of inquest will be interesting, considering all the laptops, cellphones, ipads et.al. let on aircraft.

Chevello: Urmuf Hamer: loonatic112358: countless fools who don't who'll flout their lack of knowledge

So far, just one. The word you want is flaunt, moran.

Negatory there, Mr. Professor:

Flout (new window)

WRONG!
The original statement: Though there are some farkers floating around who'll know, and countless fools who don't who'll flout their lack of knowledge.

flout/flout/
Verb:
Openly disregard (a rule, law or convention): "these same companies still flout basic ethical practices".

flaunt/flônt/
Verb:
1. Display (something) ostentatiously, esp. in order to provoke envy or admiration or to show defiance.

The writer was hoping to infer that "countless fools" would display their ignorance in a defiant show. That would be "flaunting", not "flouting". Urmuf Hamer is correct, but he shouldn't have called anyone a "moran" because that's not nice. You dicks.

I would guess they tore open the soft case of a LiPo cell and it slowly got warm enough to cause a fire. I'm less surprised that it happened and more surprised it no one has burned their garage down yet. Also, what, a gas powered car never blew the fark up? Please.

/works for a major electric vehicle manufacturer...

dcrowell: My high-powered bicycle headlights

What do you use, just out of curiosity? I had a homemade one using a 12v halogen track-light bulb and some plumbing parts powered by a pair of series-wired 7.2v RC car batteries. Running the bulb above rated voltage made it ridiculously bright, although they'd burn out in 100 hours or so. It was like a tiny sun, but it was "air cooled" so you had to keep riding or the bulb would start to melt the homemade PVC-pipe housing.

Of course, this was before LEDs got good enough to do the job... but it was still fun to build and use.

This is good news...for Volkswagen TDi owners.

/just kidding...this sucks!

I know what P.O.N.T.I.A.C stands for, but what about VOLT?

Very Obnoxious Trendsetter Toasted? Tinder?

CitizenTed: The writer was hoping to infer that "countless fools" would display their ignorance in a defiant show. That would be "flaunting", not "flouting". Urmuf Hamer is correct, but he shouldn't have called anyone a "moran" because that's not nice. You dicks.

It seems like an argument could be made for both uses. Disregarding your own ignorance when posting seems like a perfectly cromulent use for the phrase in this situation. The usage discussion in webster's definition for "flaunt" indicates that they can both be used in this sense, too.

FAIL, submitter.

"According to Hemmings Motor News, the exceedingly sturdy, 600-pound space frame consisted of roughly 280 separate galvanized and high-strength steel stampings joined by 3,800 welds and, when assembled with the Fiero's mechanicals, was fully driveable without its skin.[5] The Fiero's body panels are purely cosmetic and carry no structural load. The Fiero was the second-safest vehicle sold in america from 1984-1988, bested by the Volvo 740DL station wagon."

"Of the total production of the Pontiac Fiero of 370,168, only 260 (0.07%)of them were reported to have had engine fires of some type, depending on the source used"

There is a lot of energy in those batteries and they're not anywhere near as stable as gasoline.

Vespizzari: more surprised it no one has burned their garage down yet

Stop being surprised. That's already happened .

GORDON: It's all a tea bagger conspiracy because of environmentalism and racism and jesus and the bible and people with kids on airplanes.

Learn the difference between fiscal and social conservatives, libtard.

Step 1. Run your company into the ground by caving to union thug demands and overpaying workers.

Step 2. Beg for taxpayer money to keep your company afloat.

Step 3. Promise your new Sugar daddy that you'll make a car that even global warming/cooling/changing nuts will drive.

Step 4. Disregard exploding laptop battery reports and put wheels on an even bigger laptop battery.

Step 5. Wonder A. Why your dopey car blows up and B. Why nobody is buying your crappy overpriced $40,000+ exploding battery car.

If you've damaged the auto, parked it in a lot for damaged autos, why wouldn't you discharge the damaged or undamaged batteries?

I smell a dope

One of those survival shows showed them lighting fires with these types of batteries

Electrified Cavalier.

/That is all.
//And that's not a comment
///

Compliment, that is.

Pretty sure it was a comment. And a snarky one at that...

We use lithium-ion batteries in the RC plane hobby extensively. They store an incredible amount of energy at very low weight, but they are more delicate than the old nicads was used to use. If you charge model airplane lithiums too fast, let them overheat under load, or drain them too far, the soft plastic foil casing blows up like a jiffy-pop popcorn container, and the cell is ruined. Moreover, if it gets into a thermal runaway condition, it will act like a chunk of thermite, more or less. Burns so hot, water can split into hydrogen and oxygen. On the positive side, a dead or damaged cell can be rendered inert by punching a hole in it with a nonconductive wooden skewer or sharpened dowel, and dropping the thing in a bucket of salt water. In a day or so, you can toss it in a landfill and it won't hurt anything.

StanTheMan: GORDON: It's all a tea bagger conspiracy because of environmentalism and racism and jesus and the bible and people with kids on airplanes.

Learn the difference between fiscal and social conservatives, libtard.



/I bet she's not a Scottswoman, either.

ProudRedneck: Step 1. Run your company into the ground by caving to union thug demands and overpaying workers.

Is that why their cars are chock full of Chinese parts?

Placebo_Effect: If physically abused or overcharged, Lithium-Ion batteries can emit hydrogen. If the hydrogen is ignited, it speeds the process along, and *kaboom*.

That's funny. When I am physically abused or overcharged, I emit methane.

I had a fiero catch fire on me when I was washing it once. I had to rewire the entire car.

/still bitter
//I had to yank the battery cable by hand

Nothing like a Chevy volt thread to bring out the derp...

After a catastrophic side impact collision, a volt caught fire, hopefully people had time to clear the area...

Of course this would never happen with good ole red blooded 'merican gasoline...
http://www.woodtv.com/dpp/news/local/muskegon_county/Car-hits-power-p o le-catches-fire
http://www.essex.police.uk/news_features/other_stories/man_dies_as_ca r _catches_fire_a.aspx
http://www.whiotv.com/news/news/woman-hurt-after-car-catches-fire/nDL c x/

raygundan: What do you use, just out of curiosity? I had a homemade one using a 12v halogen track-light bulb and some plumbing parts powered by a pair of series-wired 7.2v RC car batteries. Running the bulb above rated voltage made it ridiculously bright, although they'd burn out in 100 hours or so. It was like a tiny sun, but it was "air cooled" so you had to keep riding or the bulb would start to melt the homemade PVC-pipe housing.

Of course, this was before LEDs got good enough to do the job... but it was still fun to build and use.

LED based - Dinotte 600L. It's now discontinued, but I bought it three years ago. I'm moving away from battery lights in general and toward generator lights. (SON dynohub).

Keeping batteries charged is a chore. I don't want an electric car either.

Urmuf Hamer: Chevello: Negatory there, Mr. Professor:

Reading comprehension not a forté, eh Chevello?

Backing away from threadjack: Too little info to derive reasons for fire. Results of inquest will be interesting, considering all the laptops, cellphones, ipads et.al. let on aircraft.

I...I have no excuse. There were three whole minutes where I could have refreshed.

CitizenTed: Chevello: Urmuf Hamer: loonatic112358: countless fools who don't who'll flout their lack of knowledge

So far, just one. The word you want is flaunt, moran.

Negatory there, Mr. Professor:

Flout (new window)

WRONG!
The original statement: Though there are some farkers floating around who'll know, and countless fools who don't who'll flout their lack of knowledge.

flout/flout/
Verb:
Openly disregard (a rule, law or convention): "these same companies still flout basic ethical practices".

flaunt/flônt/
Verb:
1. Display (something) ostentatiously, esp. in order to provoke envy or admiration or to show defiance.

The writer was hoping to infer that "countless fools" would display their ignorance in a defiant show. That would be "flaunting", not "flouting". Urmuf Hamer is correct, but he shouldn't have called anyone a "moran" because that's not nice. You dicks.

By flaunting that I have flouted TWO of the primary rules of fark (Thou shalt refresh before posting, and thou shalt THINK about what you are posting) I have shown that I am one of the 99% (of countless fools)

\goes off to write definition of flout 500x on chalkboard

Caught fire 3 weeks after being hit by a concrete test sled? Toss it! A good conventional vehicle would have caught fire while the occupants were still trapped inside...

theMightyRegeya: StanTheMan: GORDON: It's all a tea bagger conspiracy because of environmentalism and racism and jesus and the bible and people with kids on airplanes.

Learn the difference between fiscal and social conservatives, libtard.

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/I bet she's not a Scottswoman, either.

StanTheMan: Learn the difference between fiscal and social conservatives, libtard.

Learn the difference between a conservative, and a teabagger; teabagger.