ok, i'm all for raping the environment...but I expect to be well paid for my efforts towards environmental destruction and devastation. the GOP isn't promising me anything for this deal. the rich guys will splatter oil all over the damn place, take all the money, and we'll get nothing for it.

Exactly, Weaver. It's like this pipeline that is in the news- it will pass over the large aquefiers, pretty much guaranteeing they'll be poisoned in a spill. The GOP does not give a rats ass for the average american. Only those making millions a year. It always amazes me how they convince the stupid that they might one day benefit for their "help the rich" policies. Their key is to convince them that someday they'll be rich too (lol)

This would create literally billions of jobs. I don't know what your problem is, subby.

So, nuclear then.

How big is your backyard?

Weaver95: ok, i'm all for raping the environment

Which is one of the reasons you get little respect from me.

GAT_00: Weaver95: ok, i'm all for raping the environment

Which is one of the reasons you get little respect from me.

i'm just honest about it. the GOP tho...yeesh. they want to let an elite few rape the environment and take all the cash for themselves. not cool man...not cool at all.

Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: ok, i'm all for raping the environment

Which is one of the reasons you get little respect from me.

i'm just honest about it

Being honest about destroying the future doesn't make it better, it makes it worse.

GAT_00: Weaver95: ok, i'm all for raping the environment

Which is one of the reasons you get little respect from me.

To be fair, given the way she dresses she was kind of asking for it.

GAT_00: Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: ok, i'm all for raping the environment

Which is one of the reasons you get little respect from me.

i'm just honest about it

Being honest about destroying the future doesn't make it better, it makes it worse.

tress grow back you know.

Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: ok, i'm all for raping the environment

Which is one of the reasons you get little respect from me.

i'm just honest about it

Being honest about destroying the future doesn't make it better, it makes it worse.

tress grow back you know.

Not in the tropics. Not when you poison the soil. Not when you drastically change the climate.

Well, at least they've stopped pretending it will lower gas prices.

I did like this part though:

"and provide much-needed revenue to help pay for vital infrastructure improvements,"

Like they'd support the amount of spending we desperately need on our infrastructure.

Yes, let's put all our eggs in an un-renewable basket. The important thing is that some rich donators will get even richer.

just to be clear - what's got me rather against this little GOP plan is that Congress STILL hasn't tightened up regulations on environmental disasters caused by oil companies. Even after the mess in the Gulf of Mexico and all the months of negative publicity nobody stepped up and got tough with companies who screw up the environment.

i'm all for exploiting natural resources...but I cannot condone a company that cuts corners, makes mistakes and either gets people killed and/or spews garbage all over the environment. that's just not cool.

Weaver95: I cannot condone a company that cuts corners, makes mistakes and either gets people killed and/or spews garbage all over the environment. that's just not cool.

What do you have against free market capitalism?!

I'm so farking tired of this goddamn argument.

The USGS gives a high estimate that 780,000 barrels a day could be sucked out of ANWR for a few years.

The United States currently consumes over 21 million barrels a day of oil.

And that oil would be sold to the Asia market even if we did suck it out of there.

ANWR is not going to mean jack diddly to anybody, except for the oil companies, the people that work for the oil companies, and the politicians that get their hands greased by the oil companies.

Depending on ANWR for the solution to any problem at all is pure stupidity and ignorance. So just stop it.

Lando Lincoln: I'm so farking tired of this goddamn argument.

The USGS gives a high estimate that 780,000 barrels a day could be sucked out of ANWR for a few years.

The United States currently consumes over 21 million barrels a day of oil.

And that oil would be sold to the Asia market even if we did suck it out of there.

ANWR is not going to mean jack diddly to anybody, except for the oil companies, the people that work for the oil companies, and the politicians that get their hands greased by the oil companies.

Depending on ANWR for the solution to any problem at all is pure stupidity and ignorance. So just stop it.

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Weaver95

don't make me smack you - farking up the environment is not a good idea. we have to live on this planet you know, do you want to live in a toxic waste dump?

Weaver95: i'm all for exploiting natural resources...but I cannot condone a company that cuts corners, makes mistakes and either gets people killed and/or spews garbage all over the environment. that's just not cool.

I can't decide if this is more retarded, or what I just read about calling someone less than human for wanting a trial.

If we arent going to drill because we are afraid, then lets shut down everthing, turn out the lights and live like they did in 1840's

Never mind Weaver. It's on ignore, but I'm sure whatever was just posted was dumber than your 'fark the Earth' bit.

GAT_00: Never mind Weaver. It's on ignore, but I'm sure whatever was just posted was dumber than your 'fark the Earth' bit.

you're right, it was


EnviroDude: ...

you're an idiot. stfu.

Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: ok, i'm all for raping the environment

Which is one of the reasons you get little respect from me.

i'm just honest about it. the GOP tho...yeesh. they want to let an elite few rape the environment and take all the cash for themselves. not cool man...not cool at all.

Do you have any idea how many people work in the oil industry? How many people make money from the oil industry? How many people have oil stocks in their retirement portfolios? It's hardly "an elite few".

EnviroDude: If we arent going to drill because we are afraid, then lets shut down everthing, turn out the lights and live like they did in 1840's

You all do realize, don't you, that unless we switch over to nuclear and spend twice the same amount of money on solar/wind in the next couple decades, that we're going to have to open AWR eventually.

The power has to come from somewhere, and the Middle East reserves aren't going to last forever. It's nuclear and alternatives and spend a shiatload of money on it; or open the northern reserves.

I'm not saying I like it; but as a logger said when asked if it bothered him to cut down old-growth forests to get wood: "It's gotta come from somewhere."

Lurking Fear: Exactly, Weaver. It's like this pipeline that is in the news- it will pass over the large aquefiers, pretty much guaranteeing they'll be poisoned in a spill. The GOP does not give a rats ass for the average american. Only those making millions a year. It always amazes me how they convince the stupid that they might one day benefit for their "help the rich" policies. Their key is to convince them that someday they'll be rich too (lol)

There are already many oil pipelines over aquifers in the us.
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Now if the pipeline should be built is another question, but just because it passes over an aquifer should not be a major concern.

Tellingthem: just because it passes over an aquifer should not be a major concern.

you're definitely a bloody idiot. learn what the Oglalla (sp?) Aquifer is


Notabunny: Too expensive. Too unreliable. Too dangerous

you really don't know what you're talking about. modern reactors that are building built now cannot go Fukushima (not to mention chernobyl - which released 10x+ more radioactive material).

nuclear power is incredibly reliable, and with even ancient designs run by competent people are incredibly safe. modern reactors are fool proof for all intents and purposes.

Notabunny: Wind, solar, hydro mix ftw.

i'm all for those - ALL for them. i love those. but all the good hydro sites are already exploited in north America - and wind and solar are variable sources. hydro cannot act as the base load for the entire US - just mostly the west. you need something else.

Lurking Fear: Exactly, Weaver. It's like this pipeline that is in the news- it will pass over the large aquefiers, pretty much guaranteeing they'll be poisoned in a spill. The GOP does not give a rats ass for the average american. Only those making millions a year. It always amazes me how they convince the stupid that they might one day benefit for their "help the rich" policies. Their key is to convince them that someday they'll be rich too (lol)

The GOP governor of Nebraska was leading the charge to stop the pipeline.

EnviroDude: If we arent going to drill because we are afraid, then lets shut down everthing, turn out the lights and live like they did in 1840's

How much does the DNC pay you to be a right wing idiot online?

Kazan: Tellingthem: just because it passes over an aquifer should not be a major concern.

you're definitely a bloody idiot. learn what the Oglalla (sp?) Aquifer is


Notabunny: Too expensive. Too unreliable. Too dangerous

you really don't know what you're talking about. modern reactors that are building built now cannot go Fukushima (not to mention chernobyl - which released 10x+ more radioactive material).

nuclear power is incredibly reliable, and with even ancient designs run by competent people are incredibly safe. modern reactors are fool proof for all intents and purposes.

Notabunny: Wind, solar, hydro mix ftw.

i'm all for those - ALL for them. i love those. but all the good hydro sites are already exploited in north America - and wind and solar are variable sources. hydro cannot act as the base load for the entire US - just mostly the west. you need something else.

I know what it is. And if you looked at the map I linked. It shows that there are already oil piplines running across it. there are even many Natural gas pipelines running across it.

change1211: There's already a pipeline going through the same area, I can't say I understand why people are so against putting another, safer pipeline in the same area.

Oh well, I guess China gets the oil now.

Pretty much. It's amazing how clueless these people are. Our whole civilization is based on the energy density of oil. Everything from textiles, to iPads, to homes, to ball point pens is oil based. In Healthcare, almost everything is plastic, hell, everything plastic. Fertilizers that grow our food. Pesticides that kill the bad bugs.

People need to look at the labels of their clothing. Anything polyester is oil based.

Windmills and solar panels aren't going to cut it. Killing Keystone is just plain stupid.

/sigh

whither_apophis: Kazan: Oglalla

Kazan? Oglalla?? Its like the first season of Voyager or something

/the caretaker will provide

you're thinking Kazon-Ogla ... but that is rather amusing.