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(The Hill) Asinine Because destroying the Gulf of Mexico wasn't good enough, let's open up unrestricted drilling in the Arctic Wildlife Refuge   (thehill.com) divider line 148
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2011-11-11 01:40:57 PM
ok, i'm all for raping the environment...but I expect to be well paid for my efforts towards environmental destruction and devastation. the GOP isn't promising me anything for this deal. the rich guys will splatter oil all over the damn place, take all the money, and we'll get nothing for it.
 
2011-11-11 01:49:17 PM
Exactly, Weaver. It's like this pipeline that is in the news- it will pass over the large aquefiers, pretty much guaranteeing they'll be poisoned in a spill. The GOP does not give a rats ass for the average american. Only those making millions a year. It always amazes me how they convince the stupid that they might one day benefit for their "help the rich" policies. Their key is to convince them that someday they'll be rich too (lol)
 
2011-11-11 01:49:26 PM
This would create literally billions of jobs. I don't know what your problem is, subby.
 
2011-11-11 01:54:15 PM
So, nuclear then.

How big is your backyard?
 
2011-11-11 01:55:42 PM
Weaver95: ok, i'm all for raping the environment

Which is one of the reasons you get little respect from me.
 
2011-11-11 01:57:34 PM
GAT_00: Weaver95: ok, i'm all for raping the environment

Which is one of the reasons you get little respect from me.


i'm just honest about it. the GOP tho...yeesh. they want to let an elite few rape the environment and take all the cash for themselves. not cool man...not cool at all.
 
2011-11-11 01:58:20 PM
Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: ok, i'm all for raping the environment

Which is one of the reasons you get little respect from me.

i'm just honest about it


Being honest about destroying the future doesn't make it better, it makes it worse.
 
2011-11-11 02:04:13 PM
GAT_00: Weaver95: ok, i'm all for raping the environment

Which is one of the reasons you get little respect from me.


To be fair, given the way she dresses she was kind of asking for it.

musicboomerstyle.art.officelive.com
 
2011-11-11 02:08:05 PM
GAT_00: Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: ok, i'm all for raping the environment

Which is one of the reasons you get little respect from me.

i'm just honest about it

Being honest about destroying the future doesn't make it better, it makes it worse.


tress grow back you know.
 
2011-11-11 02:09:06 PM
Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: ok, i'm all for raping the environment

Which is one of the reasons you get little respect from me.

i'm just honest about it

Being honest about destroying the future doesn't make it better, it makes it worse.

tress grow back you know.


Not in the tropics. Not when you poison the soil. Not when you drastically change the climate.
 
2011-11-11 02:15:34 PM
The Bakken formation has more HCs in it anyway, and we can get to it in ND.

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2011-11-11 02:24:30 PM
Well, at least they've stopped pretending it will lower gas prices.

I did like this part though:

"and provide much-needed revenue to help pay for vital infrastructure improvements,"

Like they'd support the amount of spending we desperately need on our infrastructure.
 
2011-11-11 04:21:23 PM
Yes, let's put all our eggs in an un-renewable basket. The important thing is that some rich donators will get even richer.
 
2011-11-11 04:29:20 PM
just to be clear - what's got me rather against this little GOP plan is that Congress STILL hasn't tightened up regulations on environmental disasters caused by oil companies. Even after the mess in the Gulf of Mexico and all the months of negative publicity nobody stepped up and got tough with companies who screw up the environment.

i'm all for exploiting natural resources...but I cannot condone a company that cuts corners, makes mistakes and either gets people killed and/or spews garbage all over the environment. that's just not cool.
 
2011-11-11 04:39:52 PM
Weaver95: I cannot condone a company that cuts corners, makes mistakes and either gets people killed and/or spews garbage all over the environment. that's just not cool.

What do you have against free market capitalism?!
 
2011-11-11 05:16:38 PM
I'm so farking tired of this goddamn argument.

The USGS gives a high estimate that 780,000 barrels a day could be sucked out of ANWR for a few years.

The United States currently consumes over 21 million barrels a day of oil.

And that oil would be sold to the Asia market even if we did suck it out of there.

ANWR is not going to mean jack diddly to anybody, except for the oil companies, the people that work for the oil companies, and the politicians that get their hands greased by the oil companies.

Depending on ANWR for the solution to any problem at all is pure stupidity and ignorance. So just stop it.
 
2011-11-11 05:25:22 PM
Lando Lincoln: I'm so farking tired of this goddamn argument.

The USGS gives a high estimate that 780,000 barrels a day could be sucked out of ANWR for a few years.

The United States currently consumes over 21 million barrels a day of oil.


And that oil would be sold to the Asia market even if we did suck it out of there.

ANWR is not going to mean jack diddly to anybody, except for the oil companies, the people that work for the oil companies, and the politicians that get their hands greased by the oil companies.

Depending on ANWR for the solution to any problem at all is pure stupidity and ignorance. So just stop it.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Weaver95

don't make me smack you - farking up the environment is not a good idea. we have to live on this planet you know, do you want to live in a toxic waste dump?
 
2011-11-11 05:26:34 PM
Weaver95: i'm all for exploiting natural resources...but I cannot condone a company that cuts corners, makes mistakes and either gets people killed and/or spews garbage all over the environment. that's just not cool.

I can't decide if this is more retarded, or what I just read about calling someone less than human for wanting a trial.
 
2011-11-11 06:07:32 PM
If we arent going to drill because we are afraid, then lets shut down everthing, turn out the lights and live like they did in 1840's
 
2011-11-11 06:13:45 PM
Never mind Weaver. It's on ignore, but I'm sure whatever was just posted was dumber than your 'fark the Earth' bit.
 
2011-11-11 06:20:40 PM
GAT_00: Never mind Weaver. It's on ignore, but I'm sure whatever was just posted was dumber than your 'fark the Earth' bit.

you're right, it was


EnviroDude: ...

you're an idiot. stfu.
 
2011-11-11 06:25:03 PM
Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: ok, i'm all for raping the environment

Which is one of the reasons you get little respect from me.

i'm just honest about it. the GOP tho...yeesh. they want to let an elite few rape the environment and take all the cash for themselves. not cool man...not cool at all.


Do you have any idea how many people work in the oil industry? How many people make money from the oil industry? How many people have oil stocks in their retirement portfolios? It's hardly "an elite few".
 
2011-11-11 06:43:56 PM
EnviroDude: If we arent going to drill because we are afraid, then lets shut down everthing, turn out the lights and live like they did in 1840's

bbsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2011-11-11 06:51:10 PM
Suggestions that negatively impact the environment? From a party riddled with people that think man can rape and pillage the earth and God will provide?

Brilliant!
 
2011-11-11 06:51:18 PM
You all do realize, don't you, that unless we switch over to nuclear and spend twice the same amount of money on solar/wind in the next couple decades, that we're going to have to open AWR eventually.

The power has to come from somewhere, and the Middle East reserves aren't going to last forever. It's nuclear and alternatives and spend a shiatload of money on it; or open the northern reserves.

I'm not saying I like it; but as a logger said when asked if it bothered him to cut down old-growth forests to get wood: "It's gotta come from somewhere."
 
2011-11-11 06:52:31 PM
GaryPDX: Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: ok, i'm all for raping the environment

Which is one of the reasons you get little respect from me.

i'm just honest about it. the GOP tho...yeesh. they want to let an elite few rape the environment and take all the cash for themselves. not cool man...not cool at all.

Do you have any idea how many people work in the oil industry? How many people make money from the oil industry? How many people have oil stocks in their retirement portfolios? It's hardly "an elite few".


They made bad investments, fark 'em. We can't have the gov't propping up businesses that can't compete.
 
2011-11-11 06:53:37 PM
Lando Lincoln: I'm so farking tired of this goddamn argument.

The USGS gives a high estimate that 780,000 barrels a day could be sucked out of ANWR for a few years.

The United States currently consumes over 21 million barrels a day of oil.

And that oil would be sold to the Asia market even if we did suck it out of there.

ANWR is not going to mean jack diddly to anybody, except for the oil companies, the people that work for the oil companies, and the politicians that get their hands greased by the oil companies.

Depending on ANWR for the solution to any problem at all is pure stupidity and ignorance. So just stop it.


MOTHERF'N THIS!!!!
 
2011-11-11 06:53:40 PM
They've been harping on this for over a decade. It's their solution to everything from war to lice prevention.
 
2011-11-11 06:56:25 PM
Lurking Fear: Exactly, Weaver. It's like this pipeline that is in the news- it will pass over the large aquefiers, pretty much guaranteeing they'll be poisoned in a spill. The GOP does not give a rats ass for the average american. Only those making millions a year. It always amazes me how they convince the stupid that they might one day benefit for their "help the rich" policies. Their key is to convince them that someday they'll be rich too (lol)

There are already many oil pipelines over aquifers in the us.
www.aopl.org.
Now if the pipeline should be built is another question, but just because it passes over an aquifer should not be a major concern.
 
2011-11-11 06:57:26 PM
DarthBrooks: So, nuclear then.

How big is your backyard?


Too expensive. Too unreliable. Too dangerous. Doesn't produce enough jobs. Wind, solar, hydro mix ftw.
 
2011-11-11 07:00:58 PM
yes, let's *do*... when can we start?
 
2011-11-11 07:01:07 PM
Gyrfalcon: You all do realize, don't you, that unless we switch over to nuclear and spend twice the same amount of money on solar/wind in the next couple decades, that we're going to have to open AWR eventually.

The power has to come from somewhere, and the Middle East reserves aren't going to last forever. It's nuclear and alternatives and spend a shiatload of money on it; or open the northern reserves.

I'm not saying I like it; but as a logger said when asked if it bothered him to cut down old-growth forests to get wood: "It's gotta come from somewhere."


Said thd logger who's 20-something meth-head kid is unemployed along with the rest of the kids in their economically depressed, red voting, blue county hating, getting 1.x times more dollars back than they send to the state coffers, jerkwater town.
 
2011-11-11 07:03:38 PM
Tellingthem: just because it passes over an aquifer should not be a major concern.

you're definitely a bloody idiot. learn what the Oglalla (sp?) Aquifer is


Notabunny: Too expensive. Too unreliable. Too dangerous

you really don't know what you're talking about. modern reactors that are building built now cannot go Fukushima (not to mention chernobyl - which released 10x+ more radioactive material).

nuclear power is incredibly reliable, and with even ancient designs run by competent people are incredibly safe. modern reactors are fool proof for all intents and purposes.

Notabunny: Wind, solar, hydro mix ftw.

i'm all for those - ALL for them. i love those. but all the good hydro sites are already exploited in north America - and wind and solar are variable sources. hydro cannot act as the base load for the entire US - just mostly the west. you need something else.
 
2011-11-11 07:03:58 PM
Just because I am open to drilling up there doesn't mean I'm for unrestricted drilling.

Also, the penalty for farking up and polluting the shiat out of the area should be the full cost of cleanup and permanently lose your lease to drill there - forever. Make screwing up actually hurt for a change (I'm looking at you BP).
 
2011-11-11 07:05:25 PM
Lurking Fear: Exactly, Weaver. It's like this pipeline that is in the news- it will pass over the large aquefiers, pretty much guaranteeing they'll be poisoned in a spill. The GOP does not give a rats ass for the average american. Only those making millions a year. It always amazes me how they convince the stupid that they might one day benefit for their "help the rich" policies. Their key is to convince them that someday they'll be rich too (lol)

The GOP governor of Nebraska was leading the charge to stop the pipeline.
 
2011-11-11 07:07:16 PM
EnviroDude: If we arent going to drill because we are afraid, then lets shut down everthing, turn out the lights and live like they did in 1840's

How much does the DNC pay you to be a right wing idiot online?
 
2011-11-11 07:07:43 PM
Notabunny: DarthBrooks: So, nuclear then.

How big is your backyard?

Too expensive. Too unreliable. Too dangerous. Doesn't produce enough jobs. Wind, solar, hydro mix ftw.


There is a severe limit on where wind power makes economic sense.
There is a severe limit on where solar power makes economic sense.
Almost all locations where hydro is feasible already have dams. Current EPA laws makes it impossible to build new dams.

That doesn't mean we ignore wind or solar. Just realize that they are NOT they are not going to solve are energy problems.
 
2011-11-11 07:07:49 PM
Kazan: Tellingthem: just because it passes over an aquifer should not be a major concern.

you're definitely a bloody idiot. learn what the Oglalla (sp?) Aquifer is


Notabunny: Too expensive. Too unreliable. Too dangerous

you really don't know what you're talking about. modern reactors that are building built now cannot go Fukushima (not to mention chernobyl - which released 10x+ more radioactive material).

nuclear power is incredibly reliable, and with even ancient designs run by competent people are incredibly safe. modern reactors are fool proof for all intents and purposes.

Notabunny: Wind, solar, hydro mix ftw.

i'm all for those - ALL for them. i love those. but all the good hydro sites are already exploited in north America - and wind and solar are variable sources. hydro cannot act as the base load for the entire US - just mostly the west. you need something else.


I know what it is. And if you looked at the map I linked. It shows that there are already oil piplines running across it. there are even many Natural gas pipelines running across it.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2011-11-11 07:07:54 PM
Weaver95: just to be clear - what's got me rather against this little GOP plan is that Congress STILL hasn't tightened up regulations on environmental disasters caused by oil companies. Even after the mess in the Gulf of Mexico and all the months of negative publicity nobody stepped up and got tough with companies who screw up the environment.

Just like even after the crash of '08, nobody stepped up and got tough with the finance industry.

This is the world we live in now, and it's why OWS is out there and will likely continue to grow.
 
2011-11-11 07:08:41 PM
I hate when my grammar fails this badly.
 
2011-11-11 07:09:14 PM
Sure, let's make jobs in oil by taking away fisherman's livelihoods. And ruin our beaches.
Jesus christ, the GOP really does have retrograde amnesia. That's why they think Obama is a time traveler, because as far as they're concerned, Bush didn't exist.

Oh, and try opening up the wildlife refuge without pissing off the Native American lobby. Try getting through THAT red tape. White guilt is a powerful tool.

And isn't the Arctic Wildlife Refuge listed as a UNESCO World Heritage Site? Good luck with THAT.
 
2011-11-11 07:10:31 PM
Heh, the first thing that popped in my mind was they wanted to use that as an excuse to pay for tax cuts for the rich. Of course, they don't think that schnit needs to be paid for, so .......
 
2011-11-11 07:11:20 PM
mediablitz: Lurking Fear: Exactly, Weaver. It's like this pipeline that is in the news- it will pass over the large aquefiers, pretty much guaranteeing they'll be poisoned in a spill. The GOP does not give a rats ass for the average american. Only those making millions a year. It always amazes me how they convince the stupid that they might one day benefit for their "help the rich" policies. Their key is to convince them that someday they'll be rich too (lol)

The GOP governor of Nebraska was leading the charge to stop the pipeline.


There's already a pipeline going through the same area, I can't say I understand why people are so against putting another, safer pipeline in the same area.

Oh well, I guess China gets the oil now.
 
2011-11-11 07:13:24 PM
Kazan: Oglalla

Kazan? Oglalla?? Its like the first season of Voyager or something

/the caretaker will provide
 
2011-11-11 07:13:53 PM
Keep in mind leaks on land are FAR easier to plug up, also frozen oil cubes is easier the underwater oil clouds.
 
2011-11-11 07:21:26 PM
Kazan: you really don't know what you're talking about

But I'm still right. Ask Germany. How many days this year have their electric meters run backwards? 30 days, or so. Their nuc corporations want to build new reactors, but they can't for 2 reasons.
1) New nuc reactors are too expensive to build, maintain and operate. (Never mind too dangerous)
2) Germans get so much energy from renewables that nuc reactors wouldn't be able to sell enough energy to break even.


Renewables are the safe, clean and reliable way to go.
 
2011-11-11 07:27:54 PM
Drilling in the deep ocean is not the same as drilling on land.
 
2011-11-11 07:28:20 PM
change1211: There's already a pipeline going through the same area, I can't say I understand why people are so against putting another, safer pipeline in the same area.

Oh well, I guess China gets the oil now.


Pretty much. It's amazing how clueless these people are. Our whole civilization is based on the energy density of oil. Everything from textiles, to iPads, to homes, to ball point pens is oil based. In Healthcare, almost everything is plastic, hell, everything plastic. Fertilizers that grow our food. Pesticides that kill the bad bugs.

People need to look at the labels of their clothing. Anything polyester is oil based.

Windmills and solar panels aren't going to cut it. Killing Keystone is just plain stupid.

/sigh
 
2011-11-11 07:29:45 PM
whither_apophis: Kazan: Oglalla

Kazan? Oglalla?? Its like the first season of Voyager or something

/the caretaker will provide


you're thinking Kazon-Ogla ... but that is rather amusing.
 
2011-11-11 07:29:59 PM
More people live in my county on the gulf coast than live in the entire state of Alaska.

/drill baby drill
 
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