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(Komo)   Telemarketing agency raises millions for breast cancer prevention, $10 million of which mysteriously disappears. Telemarketers ask to be taken off of investigator's call list   (komonews.com) divider line 51
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2011-11-11 01:57:04 PM  
And that right there is why if you call me on the phone or send me a letter, you're not getting any money. I will find the charities that I want to donate to, not the other way around.

Find out for yourself what charities are reputable. (new window)
 
2011-11-11 02:52:15 PM  
I bet I'm gonna get in some shiat but here goes anyways -

Almost a year ago, Stephen Colbert and it seemed the majority of Fark mocked and chastised Komen for the Cure for spending $1 million of breast cancer research money on suing other charities who use the phrase "for the cure." Link (new window)

This is exactly why I defended Komen's actions. They want people to learn and trust that phrase, to know that money will not just be stolen like in this article.
 
2011-11-11 03:22:59 PM  
The numbers came as a huge surprise to workers who believed most of the money they were raising was funding mammograms.

"Holy cow! That's, that's disappointing," said one worker.

"Wow, that's just sad. That's really sad," said another.


I feel like I'm reading a children's book, only about breast cancer and nonprofits.
 
2011-11-11 05:03:25 PM  

Relatively Obscure: The numbers came as a huge surprise to workers who believed most of the money they were raising was funding mammograms.

"Holy cow! That's, that's disappointing," said one worker.

"Wow, that's just sad. That's really sad," said another.

I feel like I'm reading a children's book, only about breast cancer and nonprofits.


Even Eeyore is sad about this.
 
2011-11-11 05:05:02 PM  
First a nurses thread
Next an ass thread
A swimsuit thread pops up
And now a breast thread...can Fark handle my load?
 
2011-11-11 05:05:21 PM  
Ten million dollars can do a lot of things but not one of them is "disappear".

The only two possible options are "has been lost" or "has been stolen".
 
2011-11-11 05:08:38 PM  

Comic Book Guy: And that right there is why if you call me on the phone or send me a letter, you're not getting any money. I will find the charities that I want to donate to, not the other way around.


This. I don't give a fark how worthy the cause is, telemarketers get nothing.

I love it when somebody calls raising money for firefighters or something. They'll start off with a spiel about how important is is to support them and then:
Me: Are you a firefighter?
Telemarketer: Well... no.
Me: So are you volunteering to raise money for them?
Telemarketer: No.
Me: So you're being paid to call me?
Telemarketer:... yes.
Me: So if I really want to support them why shouldn't I go down to the station and just hand them a check?
*click*
 
2011-11-11 05:08:50 PM  

dr_iacovone: First a nurses thread
Next an ass thread
A swimsuit thread pops up
And now a breast thread...can Fark handle my load?


as long as you're keeping it wrapped up in a firewall
 
2011-11-11 05:13:02 PM  

lennavan: They want people to learn and trust that phrase, to know that money will not just be stolen like in this article.


Money spent on educating the public on charitable handling of funds and drawing attention to quality charity and need for review helps the cause. Suing folks who use "for the cure" in a title is a waste of donor funds for Komen and other organizations.
 
2011-11-11 05:13:35 PM  
Meh.

It was fire.

;)
 
2011-11-11 05:15:24 PM  
The numbers came as a huge surprise to workers who believed most of the money they were raising was funding mammograms.

"Holy cow! That's, that's disappointing," said one worker.

"Wow, that's just sad. That's really sad," said another.


Hmmm, I wonder if the question was asked as to what workers received for bonuses when they got a donor to commit. I'm sure the workers weren't too upset to cash those checks.
 
2011-11-11 05:15:59 PM  
this fellow is on the fast track for a corporate CEO position. maybe even a future in teh politic.
 
2011-11-11 05:16:05 PM  

Grapple: Relatively Obscure: The numbers came as a huge surprise to workers who believed most of the money they were raising was funding mammograms.

"Holy cow! That's, that's disappointing," said one worker.

"Wow, that's just sad. That's really sad," said another.

I feel like I'm reading a children's book, only about breast cancer and nonprofits.

Even Eeyore is sad about this.


Yea, but he is sad about EVERYTHING.
 
2011-11-11 05:21:01 PM  

JesseL: Comic Book Guy: And that right there is why if you call me on the phone or send me a letter, you're not getting any money. I will find the charities that I want to donate to, not the other way around.

This. I don't give a fark how worthy the cause is, telemarketers get nothing.

I love it when somebody calls raising money for firefighters or something. They'll start off with a spiel about how important is is to support them and then:
Me: Are you a firefighter?
Telemarketer: Well... no.
Me: So are you volunteering to raise money for them?
Telemarketer: No.
Me: So you're being paid to call me?
Telemarketer:... yes.
Me: So if I really want to support them why shouldn't I go down to the station and just hand them a check?
*click*


Sigh.

Now, I don't give money to someone who calls me. But I work for a non-profit that has about 20 folks who call supporters about twice a year, and occasionally will call for other non-profits. Reputable non-profits all, and they generally do a good job not pissing people off - although now and then I get a 'PUT ME ON THE DAMN DO NOT CALL LIST' (which I do).

I don't envy their job at all.

You could go down to the firehouse, but the whole damn point is that the process is streamlined and out of their hands (assuming the charity is reputable which you should do yourself before you donate to anyone anyway). The reason someone else calls is because the firefighters are, oh, probably WORKING. Because they have people trained on how to make the calls. Because they can process the funds. Because they can keep a database of numbers called, supporters, folks to not ever call again.

The reason why we have those people making calls is because it works. And the cost spent per dollar raised is so low that more money can go TOWARD THE WORK.

Which is, you know, ostensibly why you are donating.

Again... I don't donate via a call *to me*. But enough people apparently do, so that's why charities do it.

And there's douchebags and stupid people everywhere, which is why stories like this will always happen. Unfortunately.
 
2011-11-11 05:23:42 PM  
Most charities are a scam, except that Second Mile group. I hear they do so much with young boys lives.

/too soon?
 
2011-11-11 05:25:53 PM  

enik: The numbers came as a huge surprise to workers who believed most of the money they were raising was funding mammograms.

"Holy cow! That's, that's disappointing," said one worker.

"Wow, that's just sad. That's really sad," said another.

Hmmm, I wonder if the question was asked as to what workers received for bonuses when they got a donor to commit. I'm sure the workers weren't too upset to cash those checks.


Yeah, people have the audacity to want to get paid for sitting at a desk on a phone for 8 hours a day. Crazy.

Should they have checked things out more? Probably. I quit a job I worked for because we started working with a shady-ass non-profit group that, as far as I can still tell, does absof--kinglutely nothing but sounds good. I couldn't live with that - but other coworkers either needed the money and chose to remain ignorant or just were the type to believe anything an authority figure told them without question.

But in this economy, you find a job raising money to help people with cancer, and you get paid as well... I could see putting blinders on, chugging along, and not asking any questions.
 
2011-11-11 05:26:40 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Most charities are a scam, except that Second Mile group. I hear they do so much with young boys lives.

/too soon?


Welcome to Fark blah blah blah...

But yes. It really is.
 
2011-11-11 05:29:27 PM  
I wanted to give to Second Mile but they said I wasn't old enough
 
2011-11-11 05:29:59 PM  
Make a wish is a pretty good charity. Ive done work with them before. St. Judes is pretty good as well
 
2011-11-11 05:30:37 PM  
I work for a non-profit contractor so I'm getting a kick out of this.

/that is, a contractor who sells stuff to not-for-profits and associations
//fark grammar
 
2011-11-11 05:34:12 PM  
Last thing for me for now:

If you want to donate where your money will do good, DO YOUR RESEARCH. The internet exists, people, as does Charity Navigator and Google. My non-profit isn't on Charity Navigator, but we post our financial breakdown for the last fiscal year on our website. And on every receipt sent for every donation. I can tell you what projects, research, etc. we are currently doing, and what we've accomplished in the past five years (with less detail, the past 10).

if you don't agree with what we do, that's fine, but if you do I want to make DAMN SURE that you have all the information you need.

If you ask someone for that, and they won't provide it to you - or they say 'I don't know' and don't follow it up with 'but I can ask someone who does' - then just don't give. Because there are plenty of non-profits who work like hell to make sure everything is above board - because the people there usually really, really, really care. Otherwise they wouldn't be doing it - the pay isn't often all that great.
 
2011-11-11 05:39:30 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: JesseL: Comic Book Guy: And that right there is why if you call me on the phone or send me a letter, you're not getting any money. I will find the charities that I want to donate to, not the other way around.

This. I don't give a fark how worthy the cause is, telemarketers get nothing.

I love it when somebody calls raising money for firefighters or something. They'll start off with a spiel about how important is is to support them and then:
Me: Are you a firefighter?
Telemarketer: Well... no.
Me: So are you volunteering to raise money for them?
Telemarketer: No.
Me: So you're being paid to call me?
Telemarketer:... yes.
Me: So if I really want to support them why shouldn't I go down to the station and just hand them a check?
*click*

Sigh.

Now, I don't give money to someone who calls me. But I work for a non-profit that has about 20 folks who call supporters about twice a year, and occasionally will call for other non-profits. Reputable non-profits all, and they generally do a good job not pissing people off - although now and then I get a 'PUT ME ON THE DAMN DO NOT CALL LIST' (which I do).

I don't envy their job at all.

You could go down to the firehouse, but the whole damn point is that the process is streamlined and out of their hands (assuming the charity is reputable which you should do yourself before you donate to anyone anyway). The reason someone else calls is because the firefighters are, oh, probably WORKING. Because they have people trained on how to make the calls. Because they can process the funds. Because they can keep a database of numbers called, supporters, folks to not ever call again.

The reason why we have those people making calls is because it works. And the cost spent per dollar raised is so low that more money can go TOWARD THE WORK.

Which is, you know, ostensibly why you are donating.

Again... I don't donate via a call *to me*. But enough people apparently do, so that's why charities do it.

And there's douchebags and stupid people everywhere, which is why stories like this will always happen. Unfortunately.


Where at their other full time jobs?
 
2011-11-11 05:42:09 PM  
Instead of giving to a nameless, faceless charity or church, how about you engage with your ACTUAL local community?

Try spending your money locally.

What does that mean?

Google it.

AND, go to your local co-op food-store and spend yer mind and money freely.

Eat local; buy local.

Period.

We need to re-tribalize now.

Local economy for EVERYTHING is possible.

Seriously.

I mean it.

Eleven cubed mean it.

;)
 
2011-11-11 05:42:46 PM  
 
2011-11-11 05:49:03 PM  

Hypothetical Imperative: Ten million dollars can do a lot of things but not one of them is "disappear".

The only two possible options are "has been lost" or "has been stolen".


I'm going with the 2cd. Prolly some upper level conman... I mean executive, wanted his cut
 
2011-11-11 05:56:20 PM  

lennavan: I bet I'm gonna get in some shiat but here goes anyways -

Almost a year ago, Stephen Colbert and it seemed the majority of Fark mocked and chastised Komen for the Cure for spending $1 million of breast cancer research money on suing other charities who use the phrase "for the cure." Link (new window)

This is exactly why I defended Komen's actions. They want people to learn and trust that phrase, to know that money will not just be stolen like in this article.


Are you suggesting that guys willing to walk away with $10m from charitable donors would have a real ethical quandary with copyright violation? Did the telemarketers in TFA use the phrase "for the cure®," in their spiel? Is this comment relevant at all to TFA?
 
2011-11-11 06:01:01 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: You could go down to the firehouse, but the whole damn point is that the process is streamlined and out of their hands (assuming the charity is reputable which you should do yourself before you donate to anyone anyway). The reason someone else calls is because the firefighters are, oh, probably WORKING. Because they have people trained on how to make the calls. Because they can process the funds. Because they can keep a database of numbers called, supporters, folks to not ever call again.


False. The reason telemarketers solicit donations for firefighters and policemen is because they think that's what'll cause people to hand over some cash. These people are NOT hired by firefighters and policemen. The telemarketers keep most or all of the cash themselves. DO NOT give money to telemarketers, most especially not to ones calling "on behalf of firefighters" and/or "policemen". it is a scam. Any money you give goes to support telemarketing and scamming.
 
2011-11-11 06:02:42 PM  
quick threadjack:

i stopped by the local walmart today (because the wife made me,) and there was already one of those salvation army panhandlers out there. is it me, or is that earlier than usual in the year for them?
 
2011-11-11 06:03:11 PM  
Please buy a BROWN RIBBON for 'ANAL CANCER Awareness Month.'
 
2011-11-11 06:08:37 PM  

JesseL: I love it when somebody calls raising money for firefighters or something. They'll start off with a spiel about how important is is to support them and then:
Me: Are you a firefighter?
Telemarketer: Well... no.
Me: So are you volunteering to raise money for them?
Telemarketer: No.
Me: So you're being paid to call me?
Telemarketer:... yes.
Me: So if I really want to support them why shouldn't I go down to the station and just hand them a check?
*click*


Sometimes it's even worse than that. Here, where I live, I use to get targeted fundraisers. Not for 'firefighters' in general or 'firefighters of Florida' but specifically 'firefighters of central Florida' (where I live). Oddly all those calls use to come from East Texas. WTF does East Texas know about MY firefighters? Farking NADA! I support my firefighters by paying my property taxes and kicking in when they do their 'fill the boot' campaign. They get much more of the money raised that way.

Comic Book Guy: Find out for yourself what charities are reputable. (new window)


Very much that. Also, if you can, don't just find out about the charity but also the organization that's doing the fund raising. A charity that puts 85% of the money they receive to the 'cause' is good BUT if the charity is only receiving 10% of the total funds raised by a third party then .....

/gonna also shamelessly plug Donors Choose (^) for improving schools and classrooms
 
2011-11-11 06:22:25 PM  
Just so you all know, having recently gone through the process of getting our 501(c) 3 I can tell you to be a legal charity you only have to use 3% of the money donated for the actual cause you support. Ours gives 100%. Just be careful and do your research and know where your money goes. FInd one cause you believe in and give to it don't toss your money here and there just to feel better about yourself. It really doesn't mean much if you don't really care.
 
2011-11-11 06:26:23 PM  
When telemarketers call, I always ask them what percentage of the money makes it to the intended charity. A few hang up, but most have been up-front about the numbers. Still, none of them have exceeded 25%.

I realize that the use of telemarketing firms is becoming more of a necessity for many non-profit groups. To the charity, getting a small slice of a much larger pie still puts more money in their coffers. But from those of us on the other end, it seems a very inefficient means of donating.

Cut out the middleman, send a check directly to the organization.
 
2011-11-11 06:29:48 PM  
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On the case.
 
2011-11-11 06:32:37 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: [img.photobucket.com image 159x141]

On the case.


Hi
 
2011-11-11 06:34:30 PM  
$10,000,000 missing? I certainly hope they find the whole $5 million.
 
2011-11-11 06:35:48 PM  

Indubitably: Instead of giving to a nameless, faceless charity or church, how about you engage with your ACTUAL local community?

Try spending your money locally.

What does that mean?

Google it.

AND, go to your local co-op food-store and spend yer mind and money freely.

Eat local; buy local.

Period.

We need to re-tribalize now.

Local economy for EVERYTHING is possible.

Seriously.

I mean it.

Eleven cubed mean it.

;)


P.S. We already do it with our familial tribalism within towns. shiat. Cities are same. Wait, regions? What? Wait?

P.P.S. Duh.
 
2011-11-11 06:36:15 PM  

Comic Book Guy: And that right there is why if you call me on the phone or send me a letter, I will keep you on the line as long as I can, asking every asinine question I can think of, having you explain things to me repeatedly in great length and detail, eating up as much of your call time as possible before I gleefully tell you that you're not getting any money


FTFM.

Know why I almost never get telemarketing calls anymore? I rape call times with a grain silo.
 
2011-11-11 06:39:17 PM  
After I learned how much police and firefighters were spending on local politics, I stopped being interested in donating money to them -- even directly.

Do they have a right to donate to candidates and exert what political influence they can? Yes, absolutely. But if they've got their affairs in good enough order to drop that kind of cash, I have to conclude that they're doing just fine without my help.
 
2011-11-11 06:39:33 PM  

lennavan: I bet I'm gonna get in some shiat but here goes anyways -

Almost a year ago, Stephen Colbert and it seemed the majority of Fark mocked and chastised Komen for the Cure for spending $1 million of breast cancer research money on suing other charities who use the phrase "for the cure." Link (new window)

This is exactly why I defended Komen's actions. They want people to learn and trust that phrase, to know that money will not just be stolen like in this article.


Sorry, no.

Komen is building a brand first and foremost. They lost their way long ago and haven't been "for the cure" for a while, they are "for the brand".

My donations go elsewhere, to other charities that actually focus on putting the money they raise to the same place they said they would when they solicited for it.

www.harpyness.com
 
2011-11-11 06:39:53 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: The reason someone else calls is because the firefighters are, oh, probably WORKING.


Or because it's, oh, probably A SCAM.
 
2011-11-11 06:44:13 PM  

jesdynf: After I learned how much police and firefighters were spending on local politics, I stopped being interested in donating money to them -- even directly.

Do they have a right to donate to candidates and exert what political influence they can? Yes, absolutely. But if they've got their affairs in good enough order to drop that kind of cash, I have to conclude that they're doing just fine without my help.


My fav: they call you at home and guilt you into giving them more dough than they get from seizing drug-dudes estates. Yeah, I buy they need more resources to execute the law (serious sarcasm)...

Whatever, police state.

P.S. fark off.
 
2011-11-11 07:01:24 PM  

HeartBurnKid: StreetlightInTheGhetto: The reason someone else calls is because the firefighters are, oh, probably WORKING.

Or because it's, oh, probably A SCAM.


There are scams, and the scammers are using a model that worked for legit charities. The local retired-and-or-disabled police charity calls my folks once a year - they've done it for ages and ages. Maybe they're calling themselves, maybe they hired someone, no clue.

And then there are the scam calls.
 
2011-11-11 07:04:34 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: HeartBurnKid: StreetlightInTheGhetto: The reason someone else calls is because the firefighters are, oh, probably WORKING.

Or because it's, oh, probably A SCAM.

There are scams, and the scammers are using a model that worked for legit charities. The local retired-and-or-disabled police charity calls my folks once a year - they've done it for ages and ages. Maybe they're calling themselves, maybe they hired someone, no clue.

And then there are the scam calls.


The problem is, the scam calls outnumber the legitimate calls, especially in the case of police and firefighters -- enough that the feds feel the need to make specific mention of it on their charity scam microsite. Which is why I, for one, will never give to somebody that cold-calls me looking for a donation.
 
2011-11-11 07:07:17 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: HeartBurnKid: StreetlightInTheGhetto: The reason someone else calls is because the firefighters are, oh, probably WORKING.

Or because it's, oh, probably A SCAM.

There are scams, and the scammers are using a model that worked for legit charities. The local retired-and-or-disabled police charity calls my folks once a year - they've done it for ages and ages. Maybe they're calling themselves, maybe they hired someone, no clue.

And then there are the scam calls.


I get to help enforce our state's Do Not Call laws. There are legitimate charities for Police and Firefighters, who use third-party for-profit telemarketers. Those telemarketers don't need to follow the DNC list when fundraising. The downside is that the telemarketers give like 10% of the proceeds to the charities, but that has to do with the contract between the charities and the telemarketers, and nothing to do with the charities.
 
2011-11-11 07:11:16 PM  

Lanctwa: StreetlightInTheGhetto: HeartBurnKid: StreetlightInTheGhetto: The reason someone else calls is because the firefighters are, oh, probably WORKING.

Or because it's, oh, probably A SCAM.

There are scams, and the scammers are using a model that worked for legit charities. The local retired-and-or-disabled police charity calls my folks once a year - they've done it for ages and ages. Maybe they're calling themselves, maybe they hired someone, no clue.

And then there are the scam calls.

I get to help enforce our state's Do Not Call laws. There are legitimate charities for Police and Firefighters, who use third-party for-profit telemarketers. Those telemarketers don't need to follow the DNC list when fundraising. The downside is that the telemarketers give like 10% of the proceeds to the charities, but that has to do with the contract between the charities and the telemarketers, and nothing to do with the charities.


P&F don't need fundraising calls currently.

Try food shelves and shiat that ACTUALLY helps people LIVE...

Seriously.

Emergency is overfunded.

Eleven.
 
2011-11-11 07:45:11 PM  

nytmare: False. The reason telemarketers solicit donations for firefighters and policemen is because they think that's what'll cause people to hand over some cash. These people are NOT hired by firefighters and policemen. The telemarketers keep most or all of the cash themselves. DO NOT give money to telemarketers, most especially not to ones calling "on behalf of firefighters" and/or "policemen". it is a scam. Any money you give goes to support telemarketing and scamming.


When I was 21 I worked for a company in San Diego that paid commissions on donations we brought in. At first I didn't realize how it all worked, but eventually I figured out that the guys who were running the charity also owned the telemarketing firm.

Last I heard those guys were shut down and facing some jail time, but I'm not surprised if other companies are still doing it.

If you want to donate to charity, you might want to check GuideStar or the 990's at least.
 
2011-11-11 07:45:44 PM  

bruegel: Where at their other full time jobs?


It's almost as if you don't realize that a lot of fire fighters are volunteers.
 
2011-11-11 08:00:01 PM  

lexnaturalis: bruegel: Where at their other full time jobs?

It's almost as if you don't realize that a lot of fire fighters are volunteers.


Know this already.

WTF?

Seriously, enough with the firefighter adulation. It's obnoxious.

Ugh.
 
2011-11-11 11:59:37 PM  
My favorite time to donate is when our work "adopts" a few families in the local school district. No overhead, the money and items go directly to the families. It's nice to know where my money is going.
 
2011-11-12 12:37:25 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: On the case.


\Full of win
\\Sinfest rulez!
 
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