It's dammit real steal, me to.

JC

Mark Henry doesnt draw?

tallguywithglasseson: FirstNationalBastard: But, hey, what do you expect when hotshotting kills your hottest angles just so a heatless wonder whose personal announcer gets a bigger crowd reaction can be champ for the tour of Mexico?

What this is I don't even.

Is Stefano DiMera back yet?

I see what you did there, and I'm ashamed I see it.

Not to say anything, but most cable stations would kill for a 2.9. "Mad Men" is considered wildly popular while averaging a 1.5. "Storage Wars" can top Wednesday ratings with a 1.7.

Which means, even with this dip, Raw will still be in the top 10 cable shows of the week (behind MNF, of course).

They have a lot of young talent and loyal fans. It will never, eh eh EVER be what it was a-gain but it will always be popular. They next five years should be interesting.

FirstNationalBastard: Actually Smackdown, with Mizark as Champ, is showing stability in the ratings, with slight growth most weeks.

Yeah, I was just taking a needless shot at Mizark and the Supershow. I agree with Rob is saying about people want to see anything besides Orton/Cena.

FirstNationalBastard: But Raw, with ADR as champ, and which has become the Triple H and Nash show, is bombing.

The Rock has not helped. I think that is shocking

I've not understood why they haven't pushed Ziggles to min event yet. He sells better than anyone I've seen in a while, he's a good heel, and should be ME'ing more than triple G.

Cena needs to become Heel. Hell, most people boo him anyways now because they are so tired of him, myself included. That being said, if I heard basic thuganomics on my wrestling show, followed by a wordlife pendant, Id mark the fark out.

They'll kill of mizark within the next 2 months, even though he should hold the belt with what is left of his monster heel push till WM, but somehow my older bro(I'm an irish ginger as well) will get the belt before then,

Anyone know if Daniel Bryan Danielson is still alive?

John Laurenitis as a bad guy is just moronic. Firing Jim Ross (again) is utterly moronic. The storylines have been moronic.

WWE needs to get its act together.

/Throwing on band-aids like bringing back the Rock for token appearences will not help.

I think the problem is that they have 2 of the best 3 heels together on a tag team (Best as far as mic skills and ability to get a reaction). Seperate the Miz and R-Truth so that one can annoy/entertain in the first hour and the other in the second. It seems as though when they are together both gets shortchanged.

You want wrestling? Support indies like Shimmer and NCW.

I used to love watching wrasslin'! Of course I was young, the TV only had 13 channels (manually turned) and Pipers Pit kicked the ass off of everything. I turned it on a month or so ago, probably prompted by a Fark thread and felt the same way I probably would have if I walked into a tent rave at full height; "WTF is this stupidity and who are all these dumb looking kids involved"

Not saying that makes wrasslin' bad. It might just mean I'm told old to take anything so patently ridiculous seriously anymore.

Last time I watched it was just a bunch of frat boys with boring names and no angle. I long for the days of wacky themes and gimmicks.

I need to see fat dudes dressed like sailors fighting voodoo shamans and shiat.

Oh, you didn't know?

Fendurr: I've not understood why they haven't pushed Ziggles to min event yet.

He main evented with Edge at the last RR. It was a real solid match.

FirstNationalBastard: HotWingConspiracy: Last time I watched it was just a bunch of frat boys with boring names and no angle. I long for the days of wacky themes and gimmicks.

I need to see fat dudes dressed like sailors fighting voodoo shamans and shiat.

...you mean like an evil tax collector facing a Ugandan Headhunter who just learned how to bowl?

[www.canoe.ca image 219x300]

/word around the 'net is that Kamala just had to have a foot amputated. Farewell, outlandish Ugandan Giant gimmick.

Exactly! You can't tell me that's not more entertaining than they crap they're pumping out now.

FirstNationalBastard: New WWE Network logo, might be a preview of a new WWE Logo overall...

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So... the WWE Logo looks like the Ultimate Warrior's make-up now.

It is going to be interesting if they start putting the minor PPVs on their network. It may just get me to add it to my package.

Here's the breakdown, segment by segment:

The show opened at a 3.21 rating for the segment with John Cena, Zack Ryder, The Miz and R-Truth.
John Morrison vs. Dolph Ziggler lost 582,000 viewers.
JTG vs. Mason Ryan gained 203,000 back.
Kofi Kingston vs. WWE Champion Alberto Del Rio lost 212,000 viewers.
Del Rio and CM Punk gained 314,000 viewers for the 10pm timeslot.

Jack Swagger vs. Santino Marella and the Maxim reveal with Kelly Kelly, Beth Phoenix, Eve Torres, Natalya and Alicia Fox lost 275,000 viewers.
Kevin Nash's segment lost 70,000 viewers.
The main event with Cena and Ryder vs. Awesome Truth gained 233,000 viewers, ending at a 2.94 overrun.

So, we have a good start - people tuned in to see what the main event setup.

Morrison versus Ziggler - switch to football.
Less than half the audience tuned back in to see what the next segment would be, which turned out to be a two minute squash match.
Oh, a Michael Cole oral diarrhea segment and a Del Rio match? Back to football.
Next check - oh, CM Punk.
Piss break, switch back to Eagles-Bears, other than those that wanted to see Kelly Kelly in a bikini.
Kevin Nash took out the rest and a few thousand more that had no interest in watching the WWE's version of "Antiques Roadshow".
Main event? Yeah, watch that.

Vince will never admit that the ratings are a direct reflection on his iron fisted hold on the creative team. His attitude about Morrison and two months of losses means that no one wants to see another squashing of Morrison (side note: John Morrison isn't listed on the advertising for matches after the end of this month). The audience is tired of all off-color commentating and really wants a play-by-play in there. Okay, we're all tired of Michael farking Cole. Del Rio? Yeah, that's as exciting as watching the grass grow. Oh wait, I actually have more interest in my lawn than I have in an Alberto Del Rio match; never know what may have been blown in from the hippie yard down the block and has germinated in my lawn.

Nash shouldn't be within 50 feet of a wrestling ring these days and the female wrestlers are so bad that it's hurts me to watch that crap.

A message for the WWE spy that reads these threads: Tell Vinnie to take a page from Ol' Roy's book - Set the card, let your people do what they do best and if you have an idea, suggest it without using a hammer to drive it in. Otherwise, Rosie out of Sac-town is gonna be out looking for you, tea tray in hand.

Look, when Ric Flair's real life is more entertaining than your wrestling show, then you are obviously going to have ratings problems. At its heart, the problem is just that, too. It is not as entertaining as it used to be. Here's a thought...less talk, more wrestling. Go ahead next Monday night and get out the stopwatch and keep track of exactly how much time is spent actually wrestling. Not walking up to the ring, not parading around the ring before the match, not doing a little dance afterwards, but the amount of time actually spent wrestling. I am not going to spoil it for you, I want you to see it for yourselves, but I guarantee it will surprise you. All the rest of it is crap anyway, the made up storylines, the alliances and factions, they all change with the wind and go in the exact same cycles they have gone in for the last 50 years...and you wonder why people are getting bored with it? Flashing lights and loud music only go so far with these things, and when damn near every freaking wrestler uses all the gimmicks you might as well not have anyone doing them because they lose their impact. Thirty five years ago when you watched wrestling on tv they'd cram 17 minutes of actual wrestling into a half-hour show, they didn't have any flashing lights or music, and sometimes didn't even have a live audience depending on what league you were watching. But that wasn't ever why people watched wrestling, they watched it for the match...to see the guys go at it. I hold that to be the reason people watch wrestling still today, but the difference is that the tradeoff between getting "a better show" and watching less wrestling is no longer worth it for more and more people. It hasn't been worth it to me in a long time, and I rarely watch it anymore precisely because I can watch people yell at eachother on half the channels I turn to, and I can watch flashing lights and listen to loud music on the other half. I'd like to watch wrestling, but there is not enough of it done to justify me giving up an hour of my time.

Because everything went on Dumbass road again.

John Laurenitis and Micheal Cole have two of the biggest reasons why I hate watching RAW right now.

John is just a puppet to the GM (who still hasn't been revealed) and Cole is just the troll of the WWE and something tells me he might be part of the main card in a PPV later on.

Their talent that can actually do something is being put in the backburner.

CM Punk angle was going so good until Nash showed up out of nowhere.

The Divas...moving on.

SuperCena needs to be the heel in the Rock/Cena feud, it'll be perfect. I don't know why the writers are scared of doing this. Team Bring It and Team Cena was so stupid, it was like the wrestling version of Twilight. Fix it!

/Next weeks show is hosted by the Rock...again? Didn't we do this already!

bring back edgy content (language, blood, etc)
get rid of laryngitis (boring, and non-believable)
spend $ and get trish and lita back and fire most of the barbies, or at least hire 2-3 best from Impact!
return midtier titles to career elevation status
turn cena heel
bring back legit storyline tagteams, not random singles pairings
get rid of King (he's worse, though not as annoying, as Cole)
run Edge and JR as announce table on RAW flagship.


/ guess ratings would grow to 4.2-4.4 within a year
// none will happen

FirstNationalBastard: HotWingConspiracy: FirstNationalBastard: HotWingConspiracy: Last time I watched it was just a bunch of frat boys with boring names and no angle. I long for the days of wacky themes and gimmicks.

I need to see fat dudes dressed like sailors fighting voodoo shamans and shiat.

...you mean like an evil tax collector facing a Ugandan Headhunter who just learned how to bowl?

[www.canoe.ca image 219x300]

/word around the 'net is that Kamala just had to have a foot amputated. Farewell, outlandish Ugandan Giant gimmick.

Exactly! You can't tell me that's not more entertaining than they crap they're pumping out now.

Oh, it is. I just recently hunted down and paid the five bucks for the old Coliseum home video that featured the Slick teaches Kamala how to bowl stuff... because, damn it, a pimp stereotype turned preacher teaching a Ugandan headhunter who can only moan and growl responses how to bowl (even though he's scared of the bowling ball) while a dandy fop englishman comments on the proceedings is the height of pro wrestling art.

*wipes away tear*

I miss my youth

Balchinian: Here's a thought...less talk, more wrestling.

They lost almost 600,000 viewers for the Ziggles v Slo Mo match. People do not want wrestling.

Leader O'Cola: bring back edgy content (language, blood, etc)

I dont think they need to do this to be successful. Look at TNA.

Leader O'Cola: return midtier titles to career elevation status

I think that is where they are right now. Cody and Ziggles are ready for the jump.

Leader O'Cola: get rid of King (he's worse, though not as annoying, as Cole)

Agreed. King is a terrible face announcer.

FirstNationalBastard: Just look back at the RAW thread for a sampling... everyone who didn't read the spoilers immediately said "Oh, look, another JobMo squash match, no reason to watch."

True. I still dont think people want wrestling. The Attitude Era attracted a ton of people because it was entertaining. Guys drinking beer, talking about sticking things up other peoples asses, hot chicks, acting to degenerates. The wrestling was secondary.

/I think
//Could be wrong of course.

FirstNationalBastard:
But, hey, what do you expect when hotshotting kills your hottest angles just so a heatless wonder whose personal announcer gets a bigger crowd reaction can be champ for the tour of Mexico?

Just a microcosm of the problems Vince has heaped upon himself since 2004.

tallguywithglasseson: FirstNationalBastard: But, hey, what do you expect when hotshotting kills your hottest angles just so a heatless wonder whose personal announcer gets a bigger crowd reaction can be champ for the tour of Mexico?

What this is I don't even.

Is Stefano DiMera back yet?

You can't kill that son of a biatch.

A stroke in 1983.

His car plunged into the icy waters of Salem's harbor during a police chase in 1984

Marlena shot him, and he fell from a catwalk as the building caught fire in 1985 (he also had a brain tumor)

In 1991, he was presumed to have died in another fire and cave collapse.

In 1994, his car erupted into a fireball after being shot at by John.

Also in 1994, he drowned near Maison Blanche.

In 1996, he died in a plane explosion.

Again, in 1996, he was blown up and buried under collapsing tunnel during confrontation with Rachel Blake. This was his last depicted "death" until 2007.

In 2002, Andre DiMera (posing as Tony) claimed that his uncle had died from injuries sustained from a car crash in Monte Carlo.

In 2004, when Marlena and the presumed dead Salem Stalker victims found a blackened, unrecognizable corpse on Melaswen, Andre (posing as Tony) claimed it was Stefano.Andre said he had killed Stefano by draining his blood so Andre could cure his own blood disease.

In 2007, his death was faked once again. As a setup by the Salem P.D., Steven "Patch" Johnson appeared to stab Stefano to death, but he was drugged and a fake funeral was setup to lure Andre.

In 2009 he had a heart attack, but survived.

/I watched that shiat religoously with mom back in my teenage years
//these are 2 good reasons why I did:




/// basically anyone Bo has had sex with really

The NFL is more popular than WWE



/More at 11

Rwa2play: FirstNationalBastard:
But, hey, what do you expect when hotshotting kills your hottest angles just so a heatless wonder whose personal announcer gets a bigger crowd reaction can be champ for the tour of Mexico?

Just a microcosm of the problems Vince has heaped upon himself since 2004.