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(Yahoo) Asinine How badly does the base of the GOP hate Mitt? After last night's debate all but clinched Romney's path to the nomination, they're already openly fantasizing about a brokered convention or a floor fight to draft Palin   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 266
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2011-11-10 11:36:40 AM
FTFA: A brokered convention happens when no candidate achieves the number of delegates necessary to win the nomination on the first ballot.

And that happens after a series of primaries and caucuses. None of which have even started yet. So this is just pure felgercarb.
 
2011-11-10 11:39:00 AM
Please please please please please please please please please please!

A brokered convention with very nasty infighting amognst the republican party might just be enough for the adults in the party to finally decide to stop courting crazy. If they don't let the GOP fracture into several pieces and destroy itself.
 
2011-11-10 11:47:01 AM
To: Coldwater Creek
If it is 4 more of the muslim and his whore... then you look into the eyes of rove, boehner, prebieus, mcconnell and others and tell them thank you for engineering our defeat... because it sure as HELL will not be the fault of bedrock Conservatives... savvy.

LLS
34 posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:27:19 AM by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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2011-11-10 11:49:55 AM
Drafting Palin to run?

Yeah. I'd like that very much, thank you.

This is one of those stories that makes me stop and wonder just why in the hell anyone would ever vote Republican.
 
2011-11-10 11:54:11 AM
i used to think the party bosses would never let that happen. but their tea party golem is uncontrollable and might actually force this.
 
2011-11-10 11:59:05 AM
Meanwhile, Ralph Nader is actually trying to do this with the Democrats and nobody gives a damn.
 
2011-11-10 11:59:11 AM
Well, that would be an incredibly stupid and short-sighted thing to do... Which is in tune with modern GOP thought, of course.

Romney's the best chance the GOP has of beating Obama. Any of the other front-runners would get eaten alive in the debates and drive away moderates and independents in droves.
 
2011-11-10 12:00:03 PM
but their tea party golem is uncontrollable

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www.conelrad.com
 
2011-11-10 12:05:13 PM
To be fair, I do hate Romney.

Unfortunately, I really don't like the Crazy Train either, and the TEA Party sort of ate the Modern Whigs, so that means that I am forced to vote against kleptocrat or crazy. Thanks a fat lot...
 
2011-11-10 12:09:08 PM
A brokered convention would be awesome. You'd have teabaggers and GOP establishment types slugging it out on the street.
 
2011-11-10 12:09:12 PM

This is the GOP version of the Suck For Luck sweepstakes, isn't it.

Failin' For Palin
 
2011-11-10 12:13:26 PM
hubiestubert: To be fair, I do hate Romney.

Unfortunately, I really don't like the Crazy Train either, and the TEA Party sort of ate the Modern Whigs, so that means that I am forced to vote against kleptocrat or crazy. Thanks a fat lot...


I still don't understand why you haven't left the party. Masochism?
 
2011-11-10 12:13:54 PM
Oh FFS. We haven't even had a primary yet. Here is how it will go down.

1: The Iowa Caucus will be dominated by the conservative candidate with the largest field organization in the state, which is Perry.
2: Romney will win New Hampshire because it's farking New Hampshire, Huntsman will finish a surprising second or third. Thus causing a week of "Omg could Huntsman win the nomination?"
3: After South Carolina, the race will be down to three or four candidates. Cain will gone, so will Newt, Bachmann, and Frothy. They will need money to play in several states at once and none of them will have it since they are all going after the same base, which is also the base Perry has.
4: As the primary season goes on, the Koch PACs and the Rove PACs will step in to pick sides. Thus beginning a proxy war between Teabaggers and old GOP. Both have large sums of money, but only the Teabaggers have the field manpower.
5: Huntsman will become a pest for Romney in the Northeast and Mormon areas, due to his moderate stances that appeal to that small section of GOP voters. We will have talk about Huntsman for VP since he appeals to moderates and democrats.
6: Super Tuesday shows that the GOP base now cares more about purity of thought then winning general elections, as was shown in the 2010 primaries across the country.
7: The dueling Super PACs will pull out all the stops in attacking the other side. Breaking the 11th Commandment
8: There will be several ballots at the convention. Names will be floated forcing the Rove camp to give in to the Teabaggers in order to keep them in the party. In order to broker a peace and salvage a ticket they will pick Perry with a moderate VP of the GOP institutional choosing. Thus hoping that they can out spend Obama with their combined wealth.
 
2011-11-10 12:22:27 PM
cameroncrazy1984: I still don't understand why you haven't left the party. Masochism?

I think it's that the party left him. So what he is, is what he has long defined to be a Republican. What the party is now, however, is a true RINO.
 
2011-11-10 12:24:11 PM
WTF Indeed: 8: There will be several ballots at the convention. Names will be floated forcing the Rove camp to give in to the Teabaggers in order to keep them in the party. In order to broker a peace and salvage a ticket they will pick Perry with a moderate VP of the GOP institutional choosing. Thus hoping that they can out spend Obama with their combined wealth.

It's going to be Romney with a derp for VP.
 
2011-11-10 12:24:24 PM
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2011-11-10 12:27:08 PM
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2011-11-10 12:30:16 PM
tallguywithglasseson: It's going to be Romney with a derp for VP.

If Romney on the ticket is what causes the Teabaggers to flee, what purpose would it serve to put him on the ticket? Teabaggers aren't going to be voting for a VP, they did that with Palin, and they got Obama. Try to put yourself in their shoes and view the ticket from there.
 
2011-11-10 12:33:19 PM
tallguywithglasseson: It's going to be Romney with a derp for VP.

I think this is far more likely than the scenario WTF Indeed paints. Romney will continue being the bland, cardboard choice for basically no one as each of the other candidates implodes in a sea of ideological impurity and unelectability. Faced with a mediocre candidate that the frothy base can't get excited about, they'll find the wingnuttiest wingnut to be VP and energize the base. It's exactly what happened with McCain/Palin.

WTF Indeed, I like your scenario, but the logic falls apart. Cain will disappear before Perry? After last night's performance?
 
2011-11-10 12:33:31 PM
keylock71: Well, that would be an incredibly stupid and short-sighted thing to do... Which is in tune with modern GOP thought, of course.

Romney's the best chance the GOP has of beating Obama. Any of the other front-runners would get eaten alive in the debates and drive away moderates and independents in droves.


Candidate Obama is a badass in debates. Romney has a lot of baggage. Obama will spank him in the debates. Team O also has a friggin huge war chest too. All they have to do is run comercials with nothing but video of Romney contradicting himself. Hell, fill a DVD of those videos and start mailing them out, flood the interwebs with video of Romney contradicting himself. Sure it will annoy the piss out of everyone but election ads always do.

Anyway, let's stop kidding ourselves. Romney has no chance against Obama.
 
2011-11-10 12:36:33 PM
Quasar: This is the GOP version of the Suck For Luck sweepstakes, isn't it.

Failin' For Palin


You mean the GOP would deliberately throw this election so that in 2016 they could say to the base "Well, we tried it your way and put up a True Believer last time and got stomped, how about we nominate an electable grown-up like Huntsman this time?"

That's...that's just so crazy it might work.
 
2011-11-10 12:39:16 PM
WTF Indeed: Try to put yourself in their shoes and view the ticket from there.

The Tea Party isn't going to pick the nominee, nor can it propel them to victory in November. They party needs to attract moderate voters. The Tea Party is going to get Romney, and they're going to be gnashing their teeth as it happens.

All the super pacs you're talking about? Rove, Kochs, et al? Sure those guys care a about policy somewhat. But they care more about winning, and they're going to bet on Romney.
Yes it's the same formula they tried in 2008. And it's going to drive the Tea Party crazy.
 
2011-11-10 12:40:13 PM
tallguywithglasseson: drive the Tea Party crazy

I could have probably picked a better phrase for this...
 
2011-11-10 12:40:45 PM
WTF Indeed: If Romney on the ticket is what causes the Teabaggers to flee, what purpose would it serve to put him on the ticket? Teabaggers aren't going to be voting for a VP, they did that with Palin, and they got Obama. Try to put yourself in their shoes and view the ticket from there.

Doesn't matter. It's going to be Romney. The circus leading up to his nomination is just that, a show where some candidates and PACs make a lot of money. It will be Romney and he will lose to Obama.
 
2011-11-10 12:44:00 PM
Magorn: You mean the GOP would deliberately throw this election so that in 2016 they could say to the base "Well, we tried it your way and put up a True Believer last time and got stomped, how about we nominate an electable grown-up like Huntsman this time?"

That's...that's just so crazy it might work.


My theory is they're throwing their troublesome power players to the dogs this election and in the same fell swoop, handing Obama another four years of filibustering and sabotaged econonmy. Then in 2016 they'll throw a complete nutter in the race and double down.
 
2011-11-10 12:48:29 PM
Magorn: You mean the GOP would deliberately throw this election so that in 2016 they could say to the base "Well, we tried it your way and put up a True Believer last time and got stomped, how about we nominate an electable grown-up like Huntsman this time?"

That's...that's just so crazy it might work.


If there was any kind of thought process going on, I'd say this is what they're doing. They're not, though, they're just being controlled by the most extreme talk-radio elements of their own conservative spectrum, and it's resulting in a spectacular disconnect between the hardcore Republicans and the general voting public. Consider Exhibit A: Kathryn Lopez, who said ( pops): "In all seriousness, it cannot be easy to be governor of Texas and run for president at the same time."

All that said: HUNTSMAN 2016!
 
2011-11-10 12:49:03 PM
Humean_Nature: WTF Indeed, I like your scenario, but the logic falls apart. Cain will disappear before Perry? After last night's performance?

Politics on a national level is about multi-state field organization. Cain doesn't even have a single state organization. Cain is got into the race to boost his motivational speaking fee and to sell some books. What happened is that he is the only candidate that is putting forth ideas (moronic as they maybe) but they are ideas, and coupled with dissatisfaction with the other candidates, he rises to the top. Once the ACTUAL elections start happening, the weak will be pushed out as money and support flows to candidates that look like they can win the primary.

You are all stuck on this idea that Perry is done because he lost the "smart people who spend all their time watching debates and talking about politics." Since he never had those people to begin with, how could he lose them now?
 
2011-11-10 12:53:37 PM
President Barack Obama is now polling even with a generic Republican candidate in a new Gallup poll - a measure by which he was down by eight percent in recent months - a sign that he is turning his presidency around after a miserable few months.

Obama has also gained tremendously among swing voters - who favored the generic Republican by over 20 points in September, but now are split between Obama and the dummy candidate.

Link (new window)

Eleven more debates will certainly help the GOP candidates. Stop laughing.
 
2011-11-10 12:54:31 PM
WTF Indeed: You are all stuck on this idea that Perry is done because he lost the "smart people who spend all their time watching debates and talking about politics." Since he never had those people to begin with, how could he lose them now?

True enough, but don't forget that the media cycles that we're stuck in also power general consensus, and general consensus feeds donations. With his campaign quickly becoming a laughing stock on endless replay loops and YouTube, Perry's fundraising has already slowed dramatically since he first announced his bid, and it's going to dry up further. The Koch bros and the superpacs will back Romney.

Of course, we're trying to guess the behaviors of decidedly insane people, so whatever.
 
2011-11-10 12:56:30 PM
Then the convention tries to unite around a compromise candidate, someone who did not actually run in the primary but who has cache with the party.

Hey Republicans, how does it feel to belong to a party where that moronic attention whore "has cache?"
 
2011-11-10 12:57:36 PM
I thought it was obvious to everyone that Palin was going to try to get herself drafted during a floor fight. After all, there's no way that she would have otherwise have survived the primary process.
 
2011-11-10 01:01:45 PM
Humean_Nature: Of course, we're trying to guess the behaviors of decidedly insane people, so whatever.

Think about it this way. In 2010, the GOP base of Delaware nominated Christine O'Donnell over the most beloved Republican in the state's history, the New York GOP base nominated Carl Paladino, the Nevada GOP Caucus nominated Sharon Angle over an incumbent senator. I could list dozens of House races, local races, as well. Those are the people that will be voting in the 2012 GOP primary. Not the media, not the PACs. That's the candidate's market, and may the craziest motherf*cker with the best field op win.
 
2011-11-10 01:06:19 PM
WTF Indeed: Think about it this way. In 2010, the GOP base of Delaware nominated Christine O'Donnell over the most beloved Republican in the state's history, the New York GOP base nominated Carl Paladino, the Nevada GOP Caucus nominated Sharon Angle over an incumbent senator. I could list dozens of House races, local races, as well. Those are the people that will be voting in the 2012 GOP primary. Not the media, not the PACs. That's the candidate's market, and may the craziest motherf*cker with the best field op win.

You are unfortunately right. And right this instant, Perry has been doing damage control all morning and drumming up more funds. My gut is that Perry is done, but in a market shopping for crazy, he's got the biggest pile at the cheapest prices. We'll see.
 
2011-11-10 01:16:08 PM
WTF Indeed: You are all stuck on this idea that Perry is done because he lost the "smart people who spend all their time watching debates and talking about politics." Since he never had those people to begin with, how could he lose them now?

Perry's not done... yet. Focusing on this one problem with the last debate isn't the point. This won't be the last or worst problem, and he's not good enough of a candidate to overcome all his issues, and win the support of the kinds of people he needs to get the nomination. Even the derpers see that Perry is terrible, which is why they already went flocking to Cain. Now that Cain's sinking, they're not going to go back to Perry. They're basically trying to land on any dry ground that's not Romney. Unfortunately for them, when it's all over, he'll be all that's left. If only they'd stuck with Bachmann the whole time... derp you can believe in.
 
2011-11-10 01:21:17 PM
I'd love to see a broken convention in my lifetime. That would be great. The closest I'll probably come is watching the last season of West Wing.
 
2011-11-10 01:30:05 PM
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2011-11-10 01:37:06 PM
Never gonna happen.
 
2011-11-10 01:37:56 PM
Well...from what I know--and it may not be much--at least Sarah Palin's more genuine that Mr. Mittens...

/genuinely crazy, at least
 
2011-11-10 01:39:12 PM
tallguywithglasseson: WTF Indeed: You are all stuck on this idea that Perry is done because he lost the "smart people who spend all their time watching debates and talking about politics." Since he never had those people to begin with, how could he lose them now?

Perry's not done... yet. Focusing on this one problem with the last debate isn't the point. This won't be the last or worst problem, and he's not good enough of a candidate to overcome all his issues, and win the support of the kinds of people he needs to get the nomination. Even the derpers see that Perry is terrible, which is why they already went flocking to Cain. Now that Cain's sinking, they're not going to go back to Perry. They're basically trying to land on any dry ground that's not Romney. Unfortunately for them, when it's all over, he'll be all that's left. If only they'd stuck with Bachmann the whole time... derp you can believe in.


OR THEY COULD F*CKING LAND ON HUNTSMAN FOR F*CKS SAKE!!!

I know *he* isn't perfect, but he's better than the rest of the derp brigade. :-/
 
2011-11-10 01:49:18 PM
xanadian: I know *he* isn't perfect, but he's better than the rest of the derp brigade. :-/

The thing that I fear about even the reasonable ones like Huntsman or Johnson is that they will be beholden to their party's interests, and it's highly unlikely I would support anything the GOP tries to do in the near future.
 
2011-11-10 01:57:51 PM
xanadian: OR THEY COULD F*CKING LAND ON HUNTSMAN FOR F*CKS SAKE!!!

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I'm talking about the "true conservative"/Tea Party part of the base. Huntsman ain't their kind of guy.
 
2011-11-10 02:03:52 PM
Jake Havechek: A brokered convention would be awesome. You'd have teabaggers and GOP establishment types slugging it out on the street.

they'd tear each other apart, blood and hysteria, chaos and confusion all around...it'd be GREAT!

ohpleaseohpleaseohplease....
 
2011-11-10 02:06:03 PM
tallguywithglasseson: xanadian: OR THEY COULD F*CKING LAND ON HUNTSMAN FOR F*CKS SAKE!!!

notsureifserious.jpg

I'm talking about the "true conservative"/Tea Party part of the base. Huntsman ain't their kind of guy.


I know. He's a guy that could most likely do a half-decent job as President. How the fark are you going to convince people that government doesn't work if you hire a guy that shows how government could work? He would ruin everything.
 
2011-11-10 02:16:27 PM
Can the GOP just run "not Obama" as a candidate, and have us just not have a president at all if that wins?
 
2011-11-10 02:38:37 PM
serial_crusher: Can the GOP just run "not Obama" as a candidate, and have us just not have a president at all if that wins?

You still need a VP to break up ties in the Senate.

And since, in the absence of a Prez, the VP becomes Prez, then the answer is no.

/IANAL, so feel free to poke holes in my logic.
 
2011-11-10 02:42:11 PM
You think if the GOP went '68 Democratic Convention style the cops would be busting teabagger skulls with batons?
 
2011-11-10 02:42:48 PM
Flab: /IANAL, so feel free to poke holes in my logic.

Sounds like you poke enough holes on your own.
 
2011-11-10 02:48:42 PM
BKITU: Flab: /IANAL, so feel free to poke holes in my logic.

Sounds like you poke enough holes on your own.


What happens in the privacy of my dining room, while swinging from the chandelier is none of your business.
 
2011-11-10 02:59:36 PM
Flab: BKITU: Flab: /IANAL, so feel free to poke holes in my logic.

Sounds like you poke enough holes on your own.

What happens in the privacy of my dining room, while swinging from the chandelier is none of your business.


Yeah, about that...try not to notice that one of the crystals on your chandelier has a lens and an antenna. It's nothing. Really.
 
2011-11-10 03:03:19 PM
serial_crusher: Can the GOP just run "not Obama" as a candidate, and have us just not have a president at all if that wins?

I thought that was the GOP strategy.

Worked in 2001-2008.
 
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