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(Iowa City Press-Citizen) Obvious More and more college students are using their heads when picking college majors, choosing ones that will help them get jobs. Philosophy and English departments are said to be very worried   (press-citizen.com) divider line 299
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2011-11-10 08:35:35 AM
I majored in English and I have a job.

*Unrelated to English Major.
 
2011-11-10 08:45:32 AM
I can't wait for a future society of general science professionals in fields such as medicine, engineering, biology, and so on, with no sense of history or artistic expression.
 
2011-11-10 08:54:55 AM
But who's going to flip my burgers?? Come on philosophy and english majors..get in the game!

/obviously kidding...much respect to both majors. Without investment in arts and history, we're doomed.
 
2011-11-10 08:54:56 AM
LOL liberal arts is for libz!
 
2011-11-10 08:58:33 AM
13th graders are idiots. That will never change.
 
2011-11-10 09:11:06 AM
I'm all for creativity, but we are no longer in a time where it's a good idea to major in basketweaving underwater. If people are going to spend the tens of thousands of dollars required to get a degree, they're damn well going to make sure there's a market for their degree.
 
2011-11-10 09:27:54 AM
I have an English degree and I have a good job. It involves strong written and verbal communication. Go figure.
 
2011-11-10 09:48:39 AM
I have a history degree and I have a good job. It involves critical thinking and judgment calls. Weird.

Disclaimer: My debt level was moderate, and at a 2.77% fixed interest rate, so I was able to take a low paying entry level job and work my way up.

If I left with $19,000 in federal loans fixed at 6.8% and another $50,000 in private loans at a variable "whatever the hell WellsFargo wants to charge" rate, I might have been screwed starting out at $27,000 a year.
 
2011-11-10 10:28:40 AM
Fun fact: Not all philosophy majors are looking for jobs in philosophy.

/not a philosophy major
 
2011-11-10 11:50:19 AM
shinysign: I majored in English and I have a job.

*Unrelated to English Major.


Ditto.

/off to resource some humans
 
2011-11-10 12:07:16 PM
I have a couple Art/Graphic Design degrees and am currently unemployed, so I'm getting a kick...
 
2011-11-10 12:26:57 PM
English major. I write for a living, and love it.

So, suck it, Subby.
 
2011-11-10 12:38:53 PM
Show us your Marx: Fun fact: Not all philosophy majors are looking for jobs in philosophy.

/not a philosophy major


Indeed. I took a philosophy minor, and most of my classmates were interested in going into politics, law, or medicine. Critical thinking and thinking about thinking are a good base for a successful pre-med run.

I think what we'll see is philosophy and english majors becoming the domain of people going straight into grad school for something more specialized (or simply staying in academics as a teaching career). Anybody taking a BA in English is going to be stuck on Avenue Q forever.

Personally, I wanted to go for English but I also wanted a job, so I switched to Journalism. I've been gainfully employed (in journalism and/or publishing) since my sophomore year in college.
 
2011-11-10 01:41:08 PM
I have an English degree and make a nice living as a technical writer. My debut novel has been selling decently its first two months out, even with no marketing, and I have two more books coming out next year.

All of my student loans will be paid off by June, and I paid off a new car in 2 years.

MaxxLarge: So, suck it, Subby.
 
2011-11-10 02:00:51 PM
I double majored in English and Physics and I have a great job.

/that has nothing to do with English.
 
2011-11-10 02:00:55 PM
Everyone I know with a Poli Sci degree has a good paying job right now
 
2011-11-10 02:01:19 PM
And in four years, there will be a flood of engineers and a lack of writers/ artists. Then everyone will be saying you were stupid for going into engineering.

thismomentinblackhistory: I have an English degree and I have a good job. It involves strong written and verbal communication. Go figure.

I have an engineering degree and a good job. It requires minimal math skills, but heavy emphasis on technical writing and verbal communication.
 
2011-11-10 02:01:22 PM
"A lot of engineers are getting jobs right after receiving their B.A.s, and the starting salaries are higher than for other fields," said Sanchez, 18, of Schaumburg, Ill. "That helped drive my decision."

This would be an interesting tidbit if half the population of Schaumburg wasn't already engineers.
 
2011-11-10 02:01:47 PM
Cythraul: I can't wait for a future society of general science professionals in fields such as medicine, engineering, biology, and so on, with no sense of history or artistic expression.

I have an engineering degree. Didn't take a single history or art class in college.

And yet when I hung out with political science and history majors (yes, I was a Model UN nerd), I routinely kicked their asses up and down the debate table. I read The Gulag Archipelago and The Wealth of Nations for fun, while carrying 21 credit hours.

My engineering housemates: one got a music minor, one was a tobacco-farming white boy from the Ohio River valley who knew more about rap than the staff of Rolling Stone and DJ'ed for the black fraternity on weekends.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
 
2011-11-10 02:02:11 PM
Choose a smart major, but also take as many classes as you can in humanities. Parametric statistics taught me how to work. Survey of German Literature taught me how to live.
 
2011-11-10 02:03:42 PM
Cythraul: I can't wait for a future society of general science professionals in fields such as medicine, engineering, biology, and so on, with no sense of history or artistic expression.

Yes, because the only way to be interested in those things is through academia.
 
2011-11-10 02:03:54 PM
PanicMan: And in four years, there will be a flood of engineers and a lack of writers/ artists. Then everyone will be saying you were stupid for going into engineering.

t0.gstatic.com

:-P
 
2011-11-10 02:04:49 PM
soo the ones chosing today as opposed to yesterdays
 
2011-11-10 02:05:04 PM
Me major English? That's unpossible!
 
2011-11-10 02:07:10 PM
TonnageVT: But who's going to flip my burgers?? Come on philosophy and english majors..get in the game!

/obviously kidding...much respect to both majors. Without investment in arts and history, we're doomed.


I'm pretty sure neither Shakespeare nor Davinci had advanced degrees. We should be okay.
 
2011-11-10 02:07:12 PM
I'm a philosophy major with a specialized graduate degree. Consequently, I work as an analyst, which requires stuff like thinking. Your major does not determine your future; your application of what you've learned in the proper field does.
 
2011-11-10 02:07:42 PM
I graduated in 2006 with a degree in mass communication. I have had two jobs working in newspapers in five years. I got laid off from both of them. I feel like the dumbest Farker ever.

/Newspapers. Seriously?
//OK, I'm off drinking. I don't care if it's in the a.m.
 
2011-11-10 02:09:22 PM
shinysign: I majored in English and I have a job.

*Unrelated to English Major.


You must have skipped the day they discussed the word "anecdotal."
 
2011-11-10 02:09:30 PM
And they should be.
 
2011-11-10 02:09:41 PM
Show us your Marx: Fun fact: Not all philosophy majors are looking for jobs in philosophy.

/not a philosophy major


that's fine ,just don't cry about a student loan if you made that choice, some people are
 
2011-11-10 02:10:29 PM
As someone that had to grade 150 undergrad exams in computer science I can assure you that simply switching your major from philosophy is not enough.
 
Ehh
2011-11-10 02:10:42 PM
English major. Employed in a field in which being an English major is almost a requirement.
 
2011-11-10 02:10:45 PM
Oooh, can we do this thread again? You know, the one where we all make sweeping generalizations about millions of people that none of us know anything about.
 
2011-11-10 02:11:02 PM
Lol another "liberal arts are for idiots, burn in barista purgation forever" fark thread.

Not this shiat again.

/subby be trollin'
 
2011-11-10 02:12:15 PM
Cythraul: I can't wait for a future society of general science professionals in fields such as medicine, engineering, biology, and so on, with no sense of history or artistic expression.

As opposed to our current well-educated society?

It's fashionable to criticize American culture, but in Europe, you study only courses in your major area, no breadth requirements. And which region is known for its "culture"?

The US needs to stop wasting money on bullshiat degrees. Learn something you can get a job with! Unemployed Black Feminist Lit majors don't help anyone.
 
2011-11-10 02:12:47 PM
I was a German major. I have an associates in biology but didn't feel like pursuing it to the bachelors level. The biology gave a good job in medical testing. After I realized German, however much I love it, will not get me much I am now studying Healthcare Administration. It pays well. Job prospects are good. And I have the added benefit of already working in healthcare for five years so I have a strong background to get hired. It is a logical choice. I'm going to study German a bit on the are still. When I have time!
 
2011-11-10 02:13:11 PM
Cythraul: I can't wait for a future society of general science professionals in fields such as medicine, engineering, biology, and so on, with no sense of history or artistic expression.

Yup.

StanTheMan: As opposed to our current well-educated society?

Because people are dumb now, we should just give up and not require people to even have a small amount of knowledge of anything beyond their concentration. Got it.
 
2011-11-10 02:13:31 PM
FrancoFile:

I have an engineering degree. Didn't take a single history or art class in college.

And yet when I hung out with political science and history majors (yes, I was a Model UN nerd), I routinely kicked their asses up and down the debate table. I read The Gulag Archipelago and The Wealth of Nations for fun, while carrying 21 credit hours.


I've noticed that lots of people assume that scientists and engineers are utterly incapable of communicating with others in general society. Most people don't seem to realize that communication is absolutely vital to conducting successful research -- You need to convince somebody to give you money to do the work and when you're done you need to effectively share your results. There are literally hundreds of thousands of articles published in scientific journals every year and they're not being written by English majors...

We don't really need MBAs and Technical Writers, but it is nice of them to do the boring work for us.
 
2011-11-10 02:13:34 PM
MaxxLarge: English major. I write for a living, and love it.

So, suck it, Subby.


So you and three other English majors have jobs. Maybe you should have taken a science class in college and learned the term "inductive reasoning."
 
2011-11-10 02:15:01 PM
Jobs where you can chat on Facebook all day, presumably.
 
2011-11-10 02:15:17 PM
4seasons85!: I was a German major. I have an associates in biology but didn't feel like pursuing it to the bachelors level. The biology gave a good job in medical testing. After I realized German, however much I love it, will not get me much I am now studying Healthcare Administration. It pays well. Job prospects are good. And I have the added benefit of already working in healthcare for five years so I have a strong background to get hired. It is a logical choice. I'm going to study German a bit on the are still. When I have time!

are you speaking german
 
2011-11-10 02:15:42 PM
Knara: Because people are dumb now, we should just give up and not require people to even have a small amount of knowledge of anything beyond their concentration. Got it.

Yes, because soft-headed liberals have dominated and ruined our education system, they should give up, and let's try something different.
 
2011-11-10 02:17:11 PM
StanTheMan: Cythraul: I can't wait for a future society of general science professionals in fields such as medicine, engineering, biology, and so on, with no sense of history or artistic expression.

As opposed to our current well-educated society?

It's fashionable to criticize American culture, but in Europe, you study only courses in your major area, no breadth requirements. And which region is known for its "culture"?

The US needs to stop wasting money on bullshiat degrees. Learn something you can get a job with! Unemployed Black Feminist Lit majors don't help anyone.


Straw man much? Who are all these people running around with super focused undergrad liberal arts degrees? I only ever see those degrees at places like Amherst, Vassar, and Swarthmore. In other words, places where the name of the institution means more than the degree.

My University offered English degrees with one of three tracks: creative writing, technical writing, or literature. And only one Philosophy degree. No weird focuses or concentrations.
 
2011-11-10 02:17:17 PM
Two words: Double Major.

I have degrees in biology and Asian literature. Both hemispheres of my brain are functional. AND I'm gainfully employed :)
 
2011-11-10 02:17:18 PM
I'd be happy to hire Engineering and Philosophy majors. they are not the problem. The problems are:

- Psychology
- Communications
- Film Studies
- General Studies
- Pre-Law
- common-non-English-european-languages
- Sociology for all but the very best

and the worst of the worst:

- Business majors.

that is all.

/ "job creator"
 
2011-11-10 02:17:20 PM
FTA: "A lot more of our students are recognizing they need both the hard skills and the soft skills in the workplace, so they're going for the accounting degree and the management degree," Moeller said.

If being employed after college is your main concern and you have the aptitude, studying accounting is a very good choice. And this is especially so if you get your CPA license. Accounting is one of those areas of study where it's very difficult for most people to understand unless they've taken at least a few courses, and it's really difficult to understand in detail unless you majored in it. From what I've seen in business, people who really have a solid understanding of accounting and tax rules tend to separate themselves from their peers and rise to executive positions quite quickly.

The thing that attracted me to study accounting is the freedom to make career choices. If you're really ambitious, you can jump from public accounting into a controller or higher position in private industry and try to work your way up to CFO or CEO. Or you can choose to take an easier pace and work in middle management. Or you can do what I did and become self-employed. There are so many options for those who pursue the study of accounting.
 
2011-11-10 02:17:22 PM
32oz High Life: PanicMan: And in four years, there will be a flood of engineers and a lack of writers/ artists. Then everyone will be saying you were stupid for going into engineering.

[mockinglaughter.jpg]

:-P


This is an actual possibility, especially with the current trend of outsourcing tech and engineering jobs.
 
2011-11-10 02:17:44 PM
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2011-11-10 02:18:15 PM
PanicMan: I have an engineering degree and a good job. It requires minimal math skills, but heavy emphasis on technical writing and verbal communication.

That's every Engineering job.

Engineering school is math, and then a little more math, and two technical writing courses.

Engineering is writing reports, inspecting things, and going to meetings. Since graduating, I've spent far more time buying donuts than I have doing hard math.

/P.Eng.
 
2011-11-10 02:19:37 PM
Cythraul: I can't wait for a future society of general science professionals in fields such as medicine, engineering, biology, and so on, with no sense of history or artistic expression.

Yes, because studying a useful field in college CLEARLY precludes having a sense of history or art.

/eyeroll
 
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