In before the Pro-Joe trolls.

farkin' dogma, how does it work?

vudukungfu: In before the Pro-Joe trolls.

I've got to believe the two or three from yesterday are tired from defending him for 15+ hours

Stupidest riot ever, the guy had evidence child rape happened and never reported it to the cops, personally I think he should be charged because he didn't report a crime and with holding evidence.

has fox and friends blamed OWS for this protest yet?

Hey, he's a nice old man so he gets a pass on this one. Like the Pope.. right?

m3000: I saw this on a G+ post, but completely agree: "I would sentence anyone cited or arrested tonight who was involved in rioting to 100 hours of community service at a nonprofit that deals with victims of abuse."

I agree with that and also think that they should donate all proceeds from Saturday's game (because you know that they will play it regardless) to victims of abuse also.

Can we assume that all these students are pro child buggery?

I didn't know getting told something allegedly happened and witnessing an actual event were the exact same thing, subtard.

I'm surprised that McQuery still has a job. He had the same moral responsibility as anyone else to report it to law enforcement as anyone else AND he was in a position to actually help one of the kids and didn't.

I just watched a girl on CNN claim JoePa's firing as a "Huge injustice". Horrible.

Lets say you are reporting a frat boy shoving his "Huge injustice" up your pooper to the cops.The cop coming back with "I told my superviser" should be sufficient, right?

Andromeda: Forgive me because my brain just can't contemplate this- why the fark are people defending someone who knew about child abuse exactly?

/grew up in PA, trying to block it out of my mind

Dumb college kids being dumb college kids is what it comes down to really.

Most PSU people I've dealt with are toolbags anyway.

There's really no way the university could have not fired Paterno, though I think that he is getting a disproportionate amount of blame due to his notoriety. When people seem to be more angry toward him than Sandusky, they have no room to spout off about misplaced priorities.

m3000: I saw this on a G+ post, but completely agree: "I would sentence anyone cited or arrested tonight who was involved in rioting to 100 hours of community service at a nonprofit that deals with victims of abuse."

My first thought was that the Catholic Church is probably ordering biographical material on JoePa and they will be studying it in an attempt to achieve the same fanatical fan-base and brand loyalty.

Lots of cognitive dissonance in State College these days.

KiwDaWabbit: There's really no way the university could have not fired Paterno, though I think that he is getting a disproportionate amount of blame due to his notoriety. When people seem to be more angry toward him than Sandusky, they have no room to spout off about misplaced priorities.

I think he's getting a disproportionate amount of the attention and blame, but he still deserves what he got.

The biggest thing that disappoints me about everybody involved is this was not a situation where once the moment passed, you could regret not having acted. This was a situation that every day for the past 8 years you could have decided to do the right thing and every day they all decided not to.

Sandusky was still around the campus from time to time. Even if they never interacted with him, they'd see him and be reminded of what he did. They knew he was still doing his 2nd Mile program every day.

If the story was just that McQuerey saw the rape and ran away, you could argue he got scared and just acted wrong, but it's the 3,000 days after that moment where they all still did nothing is what you can't get around and excuse.

Awww...poor precious snowflakes...their JoePa got fired... Well, don't worry, snowflakes. Mommy and Daddy will send you an extra care package to aleviate your pain. I bet there will be some Midol in it. And a gun (I hope) so you can off yourselves.

Douchebags.

The man made your entire university nationally relevant. Without Joe Pa Penn State would literally just be a pit stop between Philly and Pittsburgh. You could at least give the man 1 last home game.

2CountyFairs: I'm surprised that McQuery still has a job. He had the same moral responsibility as anyone else to report it to law enforcement as anyone else AND he was in a position to actually help one of the kids and didn't.

The only defense that could be made is that he was a graduate assistant, maybe he was too scared to do anything and telling joe was what first came to mind.

Still, even a moron knows that when you see a man raping a boy you call the cops, that is why he should be gone, if he had done that and Penn state fired him then ye would have had a nice lawsuit to file and he could sleep easier since he got a kid toucher/rapist of the street.

Lost Thought 00: The man made your entire university nationally relevant. Without Joe Pa Penn State would literally just be a pit stop between Philly and Pittsburgh. You could at least give the man 1 last home game.

I do no think is owed anything...except a lawsuit by the boys who were raped AFTER he knew and chose to do the minimum allowed under the law. Fark him and his apologists.

Get your priorities straight, people. Paterno messed up, and as a result his storied career ends on a sour note. That's not so bad, compared to what went on under his nose at Penn St. Rioting in support of him is pretty sick, actually.

For the record, I've always admired JoePa. It's a shame to see him go like this. But he had to.

JasonOfOrillia: Can we assume that all these students are pro child buggery?

Of course. Because if you've exchanged more than a kind word with anyone who's ever diddled a kiddy, you're pro-kiddy-diddling.

/Be happy! You got your witches! They'll make all of those guys Sandusky molested all better!

Lost Thought 00: The man made your entire university nationally relevant. Without Joe Pa Penn State would literally just be a pit stop between Philly and Pittsburgh. You could at least give the man 1 last home game.

That's what initially had my brother, a senior at PSU, upset. He seemed to snap out of it quickly when I showed him his retirement statement where he basically dared the board to fire him. He forced their hand; if he would have kept his mouth shut or made even more of a vague statement that people in positions of authority are prone to do he probably could have made it until Saturday.

KiwDaWabbit: There's really no way the university could have not fired Paterno,

Sure there was. He was willing to step down at the end of the season. They should have taken him up on it. Instead, they played CYA.

Lost Thought 00: The man made your entire university nationally relevant. Without Joe Pa Penn State would literally just be a pit stop between Philly and Pittsburgh. You could at least give the man 1 last home game.

Penn State is bigger than Joe Paterno, and he deserved to be fired 9 years ago. Thats 9 years of home games he didnt deserve.

Also, Sandusky was accused while reporting to Paterno and then retired shortly after.

Connect the dots, its not a pretty picture.

006deluxe: Lost Thought 00: The man made your entire university nationally relevant. Without Joe Pa Penn State would literally just be a pit stop between Philly and Pittsburgh. You could at least give the man 1 last home game.

That's what initially had my brother, a senior at PSU, upset. He seemed to snap out of it quickly when I showed him his retirement statement where he basically dared the board to fire him. He forced their hand; if he would have kept his mouth shut or made even more of a vague statement that people in positions of authority are prone to do he probably could have made it until Saturday.

He's smarter than that. I really feel that he did that on purpose, but I don't know why. Maybe to deflect some of the heat he's getting to the board? I really have no idea.

So has anyone actually said what he knew and what actions he took following the reporting up the chain?

I mean besides all the guessing and going ape shiat? Last I heard it was only reported to him that there was "horseplay" going on.

I'd be more upset that a 28 year old apparently saw a rape in progress, did nothing, and then reported it as horseplay.

But have your go at the old man, it's more fun I guess.

steamingpile: Stupidest riot ever.

Oh, I don't know. River Plate fans (new window) and Vancouver Canucks fans (new window) may have a word with you about your assertion.

/Seriously, Penn State is further being driven down a path of shame because of these 'supporters'

DoBeDoBeDo: So has anyone actually said what he knew and what actions he took following the reporting up the chain?

I mean besides all the guessing and going ape shiat? Last I heard it was only reported to him that there was "horseplay" going on.

Well you could read the Grand Jury report where Joe's own testimony contradicts what you're saying. That would be a good start.

I think PSU has wanted to show Paterno the door just like Florida State did with Bowden. Instead of letting him ride out the rest of the season, they canned him now while the heat is on....

Maybe I missed some details of what happened, but last I heard he reported the incidents to authorities, granted...not THE authorities...but come on...he's the football coach, he reported it to the AD (basically his boss) and likely assumed like most it would work its way up the chain of command.

Just the school seizing the opportunity to get him out the door...he got his NCAA record, time to leave...

Wild Eyed and Wicked: except a lawsuit by the boys who were raped AFTER he knew and chose to do the minimum allowed under the law

Lawsuit for the school maybe...but remember, Paterno wasn't raping anyone. He reported it, after that, what is he supposed to do? Stand out in front of the police station with big flags saying "kids are getting assfarked"??

KiwDaWabbit: There's really no way the university could have not fired Paterno, though I think that he is getting a disproportionate amount of blame due to his notoriety. When people seem to be more angry toward him than Sandusky, they have no room to spout off about misplaced priorities.

You can't enjoy the benefits of being a larger-than-life figure for six decades without also taking the blame when something awful happens on your watch.

The idea that the ONLY time Joe Paterno heard something about Jerry Sandusky was from McQueary in 2002 is absurd. For one thing, the 1998 incident was undoubtedly something Paterno would have been made aware of, and the fact that Sandusky "retired" the following season supports that if you have any sort of critical thinking skills. He was only 54 years old, and until that point had been the "coach-in-waiting" behind Paterno. Afterwards, he never sought or was offered another job anywhere in the entire country, and remained in the insular world of State College where he'd be sheltered from any sort of critical media and could continue to use PSU facilities with the absurd "don't shower with boys" caveat they imposed.

I know this isn't what you're saying, but I've had this conversation with a number of PSU alums, who think that Paterno acted appropriately in 2002 by reporting the incident to his "superiors" when the fact is NOBODY at Penn State could be considered his superior. I know the crimes themselves aren't Paterno's, and believe me Sandusky's day WILL come, but there are a lot of people who turned a blind eye to Sandusky's behavior, and now they have to pay for that too.

MugzyBrown: DoBeDoBeDo: So has anyone actually said what he knew and what actions he took following the reporting up the chain?

I mean besides all the guessing and going ape shiat? Last I heard it was only reported to him that there was "horseplay" going on.

Well you could read the Grand Jury report where Joe's own testimony contradicts what you're saying. That would be a good start.

?????

"As my grand jury testimony stated, I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report. Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators."

DoBeDoBeDo: So has anyone actually said what he knew and what actions he took following the reporting up the chain?

I mean besides all the guessing and going ape shiat? Last I heard it was only reported to him that there was "horseplay" going on.

I'd be more upset that a 28 year old apparently saw a rape in progress, did nothing, and then reported it as horseplay.

But have your go at the old man, it's more fun I guess.

there are numerous reports out on the wording the GA told JoePa. Either way, a man in a shower with a boy, after school hours and even if it was "horseplay" is something that needs to be looked into. Especially if it was serious enough that the GA felt the need to tell others about it, that probably means its not good.


MugzyBrown: Andromeda: Forgive me because my brain just can't contemplate this- why the fark are people defending someone who knew about child abuse exactly?

/grew up in PA, trying to block it out of my mind

Dumb college kids being dumb college kids is what it comes down to really.

Most PSU people I've dealt with are toolbags anyway.

having grown up in Lancaster I was around a lot of PSU alums and fans and I agree with that.

Calvin Butterball: steamingpile: Stupidest riot ever.

Oh, I don't know. River Plate fans (new window) and Vancouver Canucks fans (new window) may have a word with you about your assertion.

/Seriously, Penn State is further being driven down a path of shame because of these 'supporters'

Yeah this one is still dumber they had to actually organize to come riot, those had people in place already to start a riot.

DoBeDoBeDo: ?????

From the grand jury report.. read it you idiot:

Joseph V Paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant's report at his home on Saturday morning...Paterno called Tim Cureley, Penn State Athletic Director...and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building Showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy

That is Paterno's testimony. He knew it was more than "horsing around". He knew it was sexual in nature with a young boy in the shower.

honest question, since the news articles i've read are never specific: exactly what did mcquery tell paterno about what he saw? when he first witnessed the kid getting raped, what did he tell paterno? the news just says he informed paterno of the abuse and paterno informed the university president. but they don't explain anything.

let's say mcquery, in a panic, told paterno a bunch of vague details. "well, sir, i think i saw someone having sex with a kid. i'm not really sure, though, cause i didn't exactly watch it happen or anything. i just glimpsed it, and i'm not really sure who it was, but it might have been sandusky. and it looked like a kid, but it might have been a small woman of legal age. i mean i really don't know exactly, but it might have been something illegal, but i can't promise for sure what it was, but i really felt i should tell you ..."

we see stories on the news all the time about someone making an "allegation" and the cops swooping in and arresting people and the media has a field day about it, and reputations and lives are ruined based on one single allegation, and then six months later the cops say "oops, looks like he was innocent after all." remember the duke lacrosse team?

so maybe mcquery gets terrified about making such a damning allegation and convinces himself that maybe he was mistaken. but since it is such a serious crime that might have been committed, paterno dutifully tells his superiors about it, including all sorts of "maybes" and "not sures." the university president quietly investigates, finds no evidence except one vague unconvincing report, sandusky claims complete innocence, no one else knows anything, case closed.

until we hear more information about exactly what paterno was told, what he knew, and when he knew it, i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. if mcquery never told him anything specific or the university president told him that it was all just a big misunderstanding, then how can paterno possibly be held accountable?

KiwDaWabbit: When people seem to be more angry toward him than Sandusky, they have no room to spout off about misplaced priorities.

I don't see how that is true at all.

There is simply no need to TALK about anyone's hatred or anger towards Sandusky. I would assume that there is 100% agreement above any partially sane human capable of rational thought that he is an evil predator that deserves much worse than the impending years of jail time.

That's the end of the story. There is no argument or defending or deflecting of his actions.

Yes, nobody is really talking about him, but not because people aren't as angry at him as they are at Paterno.

Part of what Penn State should do to help right the ship should be requiring a morals and ethics course for all incoming freshmen.

DoBeDoBeDo: MugzyBrown: DoBeDoBeDo: So has anyone actually said what he knew and what actions he took following the reporting up the chain?

I mean besides all the guessing and going ape shiat? Last I heard it was only reported to him that there was "horseplay" going on.

Well you could read the Grand Jury report where Joe's own testimony contradicts what you're saying. That would be a good start.

?????

"As my grand jury testimony stated, I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report. Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators."

Oh snap. Don't worry Mugzy had his mind made up long ago. The ironic part is HE didnt read the testimony.

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I live in NEPA where there was a "problem" with Kids for Cash (judges made hundreds of thousands of dollars by placing kids in juvie facilities for minor infractions of the law). The residents of Luzerne County were screaming that anyone connected with the activity, however tangentially, be removed from office, heavily fined, and thrown into Federal prison. It wasn't a matter of IF they knew; the issue was whether they SHOULD have known.

Yet they defend Paterno's actions. He was a scapegoat. Others did much worse. He did his best.

Fark that cognitive dissonance. You don't ascribe separate sets of moral standards based upon the popularity of a person. Paterno acted with the integrity of a snake and placed the sacredness of the football program above the welfare of little boys. And the fact these students can't get that through their heads places them in the same status as the followers of any morally bankrupt cult leader.