But, you can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs. *maniacal laughter*

[grabs popcorn, sits down for endless litany of anecdotes from old gyrenes]

GAT_00: Walker: The few, the proud, the murderers.

You'd better hope at least a few of them are, since it's what they're trained for.

Murder is unlawful killing.

If the government tells them to, it's not unlawful.

Hence, no.

Hm... I wonder if he did it because he was a drunk, or if he was a drunk because he'd been pushed far enough to do it.

nothing to worry about here folks, happens all the time. they have to thin out the weaker members of the tribe, so that they can be a more effective fighting force. you dont want to find out you have a weakling in the midst of battle, now do you?

carry on.

miss diminutive: But, you can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs. *maniacal laughter*

What do you think I've been eating all these years? I hardly think they'd use broken eggs in Marine room service, Gordon.

Back when I was in the Core, we would have handled that drunk before it got to this level.

Came here for the

Murder is wrong
Marine murdered a Marine
Therefore all Marines are wrong

logic-crowd.

Most Marines are emblematic examples of men. Accept it.

Get me one while you're at it.

August11: Came here for the

Murder is wrong
Marine murdered a Marine
Therefore all Marines are wrong

logic-crowd.

Most Marines are emblematic examples of men. Accept it.

I can't handle that truth!

August11: logic-crowd.

August11: Came here for the

Murder is wrong
Marine murdered a Marine
Therefore all Marines are wrong

logic-crowd.

Most Marines are emblematic examples of men. Accept it.

emblematic?

most of the marines i know/knew who were enlisted were just normal, usually rather poor, members of the working or lower middle classes. they usually werent that bright or overly intellectual, but by no means dumb. just... yknow. regular Joes who had that sorta simple outlook on life like cops have. except without the sadism and hard shell around their humanity like what cops have from dealing with society's scum day in and day out for years.

theyre no worse no better than anyone else. i dont know why the US reveres its military servicemen and women with this godlike reverence; there are a lot of people who put their lives on the line for the jobs who dont get the same respect. we should be glad theyre there but the hero worship is overblown at best a little creepy at worst. maybe its just a backlash from vietnam when service personnel were said to be treated badly by the public who were unsympathetic to what these people had endured (and often against their will via the draft) and now peple are overcompensating.

Father_Jack:

emblematic?

most of the marines i know/knew who were enlisted were just normal, usually rather poor, members of the working or lower middle classes. they usually werent that bright or overly intellectual, but by no means dumb. just... yknow. regular Joes who had that sorta simple outlook on life like cops have. except without the sadism and hard shell around their humanity like what cops have from dealing with society's scum day in and day out for years.

I should probably define my terms. Part of my definition of "men" or "man" or "adult" is someone who does something even though every fiber of their being wants to do something else. Courage is the suppression of appetite. I'm not saying only Marines are men or courageous men...

theyre no worse no better than anyone else.

Easy there kiddo. Shout as you may, there is superiority all around us. Don't go down the dark corridor of relativism. You will live a better life if you can fine-tune your awareness of what is better than you.

I do agree with you on the worship found these days in our country. It is nothing new to me. I am from a three-generation Marine family. The worshiping is a new development what with these two wars and all, but I've been doing it all along...

Soldiers are violent, sadistic, authoritarian pricks who put a fig-leaf of legitimacy over their bullshiat by wrapping it in a flag. Show me a patriot and I'll show you an idiot.

BreezyWheeze: Soldiers are violent, sadistic, authoritarian pricks who put a fig-leaf of legitimacy over their bullshiat by wrapping it in a flag. Show me a patriot and I'll show you an idiot.

3/10

Too obvious.

BreezyWheeze: Soldiers are violent, sadistic, authoritarian pricks who put a fig-leaf of legitimacy over their bullshiat by wrapping it in a flag. Show me a patriot and I'll show you an idiot.

Whew. Good thing we're not talking about soldiers here, then.

Serve your country, see the world, make new friends and then murder them.

Join The Core today!

GreenAdder: [images.cheezburger.com image 412x1100]

LOL

That is the first time I've laughed out loud at that meme.

haemaker: Join the Marines!
See the world!
Meet interesting people!
...and kill them.

Oh crap, should have read the comments before posting.

Walker: The few, the proud, the murderers.

0.5 / 10. Ramp it up.

August11: Father_Jack:

emblematic?

most of the marines i know/knew who were enlisted were just normal, usually rather poor, members of the working or lower middle classes. they usually werent that bright or overly intellectual, but by no means dumb. just... yknow. regular Joes who had that sorta simple outlook on life like cops have. except without the sadism and hard shell around their humanity like what cops have from dealing with society's scum day in and day out for years.

I should probably define my terms. Part of my definition of "men" or "man" or "adult" is someone who does something even though every fiber of their being wants to do something else. Courage is the suppression of appetite. I'm not saying only Marines are men or courageous men...

theyre no worse no better than anyone else.

Easy there kiddo. Shout as you may, there is superiority all around us. Don't go down the dark corridor of relativism. You will live a better life if you can fine-tune your awareness of what is better than you.

I do agree with you on the worship found these days in our country. It is nothing new to me. I am from a three-generation Marine family. The worshiping is a new development what with these two wars and all, but I've been doing it all along...

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.... superiority? Seriously are we talking about the same guys who can't get a high enough ASVAB score to enter the army so they get shunted to "the Core" ooooook..

I saw that movie and, to this day, I don't see why there is a problem with ordering a code red. I know, I know, who cares? Well, I do, dammit.

The guy had an undiagnosed medical condition. He shouldn't have been there. The code red killed him because of said medical condition. That doesn't mean healthy people shouldn't participate in said activity. People with medical conditions might die if they had to do the same personal training the armed forces do each day; that doesn't mean they shouldn't do them.

A 'code red' was demonstrated as being an effective form of discipline in the movie. It just happened that the one guy, who was unfit to even be there to begin with, was also unfit to take part it in.

I still don't get it. Tom Cruise was the protagonist and Nicholson is supposed to be the 'bad guy', right? But the bad guy didn't do anything bad. If anyone should have been blamed for the guy's death, it should have been the doctors that evaluated him. But even that isn't criminal, it's people making a mistake. The whole movie could have/should have been resolved with a 15 minute conversation. 'Yeah - that guy that died during the code red, he had a medical condition. That's why he died. Huh, well, I guess we should drop the murder charges then, yup, that makes sense. Let's talk to the doc and see if we can't find a way to prevent this in the future.'

nukeim: Back when I was in the Core, we would have handled that drunk before it got to this level.



Really, which character were you?

August11: Easy there kiddo. Shout as you may, there is superiority all around us. Don't go down the dark corridor of relativism. You will live a better life if you can fine-tune your awareness of what is better than you.

I do agree with you on the worship found these days in our country. It is nothing new to me. I am from a three-generation Marine family. The worshiping is a new development what with these two wars and all, but I've been doing it all along...

your first statement here is not untrue, i guess i just dont think i feel intrinsically inferior to marines or anyone else in any other branch of the military just because ive not served. :) Nor for that matter do i think serving in the military automatically qualifies one for hero worship and idolation.

Theyre doing what they need to do, and im doing what i need to do...

thanks for the service and i hope your family all served with distinction and have their bodies and minds intact.

djones101: nukeim: Back when I was in the Core, we would have handled that drunk before it got to this level.

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Really, which character were you?

Did I italicize "the Core" or capitalize "the"?

NO.

I was talking about my time in the Marine Core. I'm a badass.

nukeim: djones101: nukeim: Back when I was in the Core, we would have handled that drunk before it got to this level.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 299x454]

Really, which character were you?

Did I italicize "the Core" or capitalize "the"?

NO.

I was talking about my time in the Marine Core. I'm a badass.

do you remember the name of the Farker to whom the creation of the Marine Core meme is accredited? coz I was there when it happened, man, I WAS THERE.

/must be at gym in 26mins

Slaxl: One marine beaten to death, one jumped out of a window so they immediately assume the 2nd guy beat the first to death then jumped out the window? Now, I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens. Invisibly infiltrated the barracks, beat that guy to death, and threw the other guy out the window. It makes a lot more sense than this nonsense "weather balloon" story they're putting out.

You're not getting the whole story. These things don't just happen. I'm sure there was history between these two that the unit is well aware of. Unfortunately, they didn't act on it.

This is very sad. Happy birthday, Marines. Especially Lance Corporal Arias.

Father_Jack: nukeim: djones101: nukeim: Back when I was in the Core, we would have handled that drunk before it got to this level.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 299x454]

Really, which character were you?

Did I italicize "the Core" or capitalize "the"?

NO.

I was talking about my time in the Marine Core. I'm a badass.

do you remember the name of the Farker to whom the creation of the Marine Core meme is accredited? coz I was there when it happened, man, I WAS THERE.

/must be at gym in 26mins

You were there, huh? Are you sure it wasn't just your wife? :)

Nothing wrong with getting your drink on

People are dying all over the world because America's leaders make it impossible for these poor guys to express their sexuality openly, twisting their love into hate for their own selfish ends.
Let's stop this madness! Together. Holding hands, together.

Freakman: Slaxl: One marine beaten to death, one jumped out of a window so they immediately assume the 2nd guy beat the first to death then jumped out the window? Now, I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens. Invisibly infiltrated the barracks, beat that guy to death, and threw the other guy out the window. It makes a lot more sense than this nonsense "weather balloon" story they're putting out.

You're not getting the whole story. These things don't just happen. I'm sure there was history between these two that the unit is well aware of. Unfortunately, they didn't act on it.

This is very sad. Happy birthday, Marines. Especially Lance Corporal Arias Drunky Fisticuffs.

Happy birthday to the ground!

Father_Jack: nukeim: djones101: nukeim: Back when I was in the Core, we would have handled that drunk before it got to this level.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 299x454]

Really, which character were you?

Did I italicize "the Core" or capitalize "the"?

NO.

I was talking about my time in the Marine Core. I'm a badass.

do you remember the name of the Farker to whom the creation of the Marine Core meme is accredited? coz I was there when it happened, man, I WAS THERE.

/must be at gym in 26mins

Not off the top of my head...I want to say ConvincingSavant or FlyNavy...One of them called the other out or something. But I'm pretty sure it was one of them. Probably CS since the other guy says "Navy" in his ID :-D

I was reading it at the time...Don't recall if I commented in there.

This is what happens when you let the gays openly serve

/am I doing it right?

GAT_00: Walker: The few, the proud, the murderers.

You'd better hope at least a few of them are, since it's what they're trained for. Plus Abby has to have something to do.

Look, if Abby wants something to do, she can always come over to my house and pose for me in a Vampirella costume.

LordOfThePings: miss diminutive: But, you can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs. *maniacal laughter*

What do you think I've been eating all these years? I hardly think they'd use broken eggs in Marine room service, Gordon.


Yes, but when you were eating your eggs, did you do it 500 yards from people trying to kill you?

August11: Came here for the

Murder is wrong
Marine murdered a Marine
Therefore all Marines are wrong

logic-crowd.


Man, is that what you call "logic"? Got some bad news for you...

Fark_Guy_Rob: 'Yeah - that guy that died during the code red, he had a medical condition. That's why he died. Huh, well, I guess we should drop the murder charges then, yup, that makes sense.

That's your disconnect. It would still be a murder charge, even if there was an underlying medical condition, as long as the condition was elevated specifically by the action.

just to make it clear to some: it is Corps, pronounced core (and the commander-it-chief pronounces it corpse)...former U. S. Army with a boatload of respect for the Corps.

The only time I have ever seen the marines truly and honestly represented on T.V. is that episode of M.A.S.H. where a marine gets a cue ball stuck in his mouth because someone bet he couldn't do it.

tdyak: The only time I have ever seen the marines truly and honestly represented on T.V. is that episode of M.A.S.H. where a marine gets a cue ball stuck in his mouth because someone bet he couldn't do it.

LOL.

IIRC that was George Wendt, aka "Norm" from Cheers.

Fark_Guy_Rob: I saw that movie and, to this day, I don't see why there is a problem with ordering a code red. I know, I know, who cares? Well, I do, dammit.

The guy had an undiagnosed medical condition. He shouldn't have been there. The code red killed him because of said medical condition. That doesn't mean healthy people shouldn't participate in said activity. People with medical conditions might die if they had to do the same personal training the armed forces do each day; that doesn't mean they shouldn't do them.

A 'code red' was demonstrated as being an effective form of discipline in the movie. It just happened that the one guy, who was unfit to even be there to begin with, was also unfit to take part it in.

I still don't get it. Tom Cruise was the protagonist and Nicholson is supposed to be the 'bad guy', right? But the bad guy didn't do anything bad. If anyone should have been blamed for the guy's death, it should have been the doctors that evaluated him. But even that isn't criminal, it's people making a mistake. The whole movie could have/should have been resolved with a 15 minute conversation. 'Yeah - that guy that died during the code red, he had a medical condition. That's why he died. Huh, well, I guess we should drop the murder charges then, yup, that makes sense. Let's talk to the doc and see if we can't find a way to prevent this in the future.'

I sort of agree, but there was ambiguity about whether the code red was ordered in order to help "train" the marine, or whether it was simple retribution for attempting to report the fence-line shooting by going outside the chain of command. The fact that the entire officer command structure lied about it and committed numerous crimes in an attempt to cover up the order suggests that it was retribution. Either way, the order from the "bad guy" resulted in (involuntary) manslaughter.

Also, the doctor didn't simply make a mistake - it appears that he was either completely incompetant, or else he deliberately falsified the medical report.

I realize we're debating the ficticious plot of a movie, but it seems that if this happened IRL, there would be enough ambiguity to warrant at least a grand jury investigation (or whatever the military equivalent is). *shrug*

midigod: Fark_Guy_Rob: 'Yeah - that guy that died during the code red, he had a medical condition. That's why he died. Huh, well, I guess we should drop the murder charges then, yup, that makes sense.

That's your disconnect. It would still be a murder charge, even if there was an underlying medical condition, as long as the condition was elevated specifically by the action.

If I have really, really, really severe medical condition and you say, 'Hello Fark_Guy_Rob' and it startles me, causing me to die....you are saying you've just committed murder?