Not always. I have a 14 year old I'd pawn off to a nice guy.

/and I'm kinda cute for a cougar

If it sounds too good to be true, it almost certainly is. This works everywhere.

Entrapment is tantamount to thoughtcrime.

Discuss.

Are crimes like this...illegal to...plan?

Like, I know you get in trouble if you plan a murder or something. But if someone were to PLAN to have sex with some lady and her teenage daughter, would they be arrested?

If not, how in the world is it an arrestable major offense to get caught doing so via a chatroom? It wouldn't even BE HAPPENING if not for the officer going along with it...the "crime" would not exist at all without the officer, and DOESNT exist at all if it's not illegal to just talk about doing.

Came here to say entrapment too, but the cops also do it live with female cop actors, playing prostitutes.

I guess the Judges don't have a problem with entrapment via prostitution.

What do they do when they're fishing for predators and they end up with a clingy 14 year old boy? Poor kid probably goes through life bemoaning the one who got away.

Just once I think it' be funny if a 14 year old boy pretended to be an older dude to seduce a chick who was obviously into older dudes and then the cops arrange to meet the 'guy' and catch the kid. Then what? Is the cop guilty of arranging to have sex with a minor?

So let me get this right Subby... The MILF Cop is offering up herself AND her 14 year old daughter?

/I won't be right over!

Now we know what firemen do when they aren't fighting fires.

And if a woman will prostitute her own 14-yr old daughter why would she hesitate to knock you out while you are on top of her child, kill you, then take all your money before dumping your corpse in an alligator infested pond?(it is Florida after all)

I guess I'm too suspicious to fall for this whole scenario plus I'm not a child molester so there's that too.

GAT_00: MaesterFuzzy: Are crimes like this...illegal to...plan?

Times you can be arrested and convicted for not actually doing anything:
Terrorism
Intent to fark a 14 year old

Conspiracy, I'd guess.

MaesterFuzzy: Are crimes like this...illegal to...plan?

It's equally illegal to "attempt" most crimes -- attempted murder, attempted burglary, etc. Attempt becomes punishable where: (i) you had an intent to complete the crime if things worked out; and (ii) you took a "substantial step" towards completing the crime. Here, driving to the spot of the "meetup" with the "mom and daughter" would be considered a substantial step.

Nowadays, there are state statutes that specifically prohibit internet-based solicitation of sex with minors, so the guy was done for as soon as the chat took place. But you could still fit this under old common-law concepts of "attempted ___" if you needed to.

In what state is it legal to sleep with a 14 year old with parental consent? I know it's 16 here in Ohio.
/lol

http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm (new window)
//Rush Limbaugh uses this all the time to plan his trips!

So we still prosecute thought crimes, huh?

Major Randy Dey.

...really?

I'll never understand this phenomenon. It's like a perfect storm.

There are men out there who are so utterly deluded that they think a 14-year old girl is going to want to hook up with a slovenly, pudgy, 45-year old with halitosis and a skin condition, who still lives with his parents, and that said 14-year old is going to seek out said man in Internet chat rooms devoted to discussing outrageously unrealistic sexual escapades.

There are law enforcement officers out there who willingly spend their time trolling chat rooms, pretending to be unrealistically precocious children. They practice and hone and perfect their art of sounding like flirty little girls and try to drive these slovenly, unattractive men mad with desire.

Then these two species of subhuman are drawn to each other like moths to a flame, and we spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to put the delusional guys into prison for decades.

I think Americans just have way too much time on our hands.

FTFA: Eric Lentovich, 36, a six-year veteran of the East Naples Fire Department, was one of two men with Collier ties

How does their style of neckwear have anything to do with it?

MaesterFuzzy: Are crimes like this...illegal to...plan?

Like, I know you get in trouble if you plan a murder or something. But if someone were to PLAN to have sex with some lady and her teenage daughter, would they be arrested?

If not, how in the world is it an arrestable major offense to get caught doing so via a chatroom? It wouldn't even BE HAPPENING if not for the officer going along with it...the "crime" would not exist at all without the officer, and DOESNT exist at all if it's not illegal to just talk about doing.

conviction on conspiracy to commit a crime has two elements that are required.

1 planning to do something
2 taking actions toward that goal.


like planning to blow up a building isnt a crime. planning to blow up a building and buying 15 bags of fertilizer makes it a crime. also, just buying 15 bags of fertilizer isnt a crime.

so in this case

1 planned to commit a crime
the guy "a six-year veteran of the East Naples Fire Department"

AND

2 took action towards that crime

was arrested Thursday in Hardee County, located about 100 miles northeast of Naples, on charges of soliciting a minor and traveling to meet a minor

GAT_00: uber humper: GAT_00: MaesterFuzzy: Are crimes like this...illegal to...plan?

Times you can be arrested and convicted for not actually doing anything:
Terrorism
Intent to fark a 14 year old

Conspiracy, I'd guess.

Except in other incidents you actually get prosecuted for conspiracy. For terrorism, you're treated as if you carried out the crime. For pedos, you're convicted of sexual assault you never committed and are branded a sex criminal for something you never did.

These are the only two areas where we have thoughtcrime. Why is it acceptable here?

Or, why isn't it expanded.

/too late and too much bourbon for thought conversations.

YELLOL: Now we know what firemen do when they aren't fighting fires.
And if a woman will prostitute her own 14-yr old daughter why would she hesitate to knock you out while you are on top of her child, kill you, then take all your money before dumping your corpse in an alligator infested pond?(it is Florida after all)
I guess I'm too suspicious to fall for this whole scenario plus I'm not a child molester so there's that too.

Something about "heads" and "thinking", I can't remember it. But I'm a woman so I don't have to worry about thinking and remembering wise sayings and stuff. I just have to lure men in to take care of me.

/And then I steal them blind, because DUH.

The dream police have come to fruition.

cryinoutloud: YELLOL: Now we know what firemen do when they aren't fighting fires.
And if a woman will prostitute her own 14-yr old daughter why would she hesitate to knock you out while you are on top of her child, kill you, then take all your money before dumping your corpse in an alligator infested pond?(it is Florida after all)
I guess I'm too suspicious to fall for this whole scenario plus I'm not a child molester so there's that too.

Something about "heads" and "thinking", I can't remember it. But I'm a woman so I don't have to worry about thinking and remembering wise sayings and stuff. I just have to lure men in to take care of me.

/And then I steal them blind, because DUH.

You don't have to rub our faces in it...we all ready know.

Cops are the ultimate law breakers. They think a badge gives them the right, and the judge agrees. (If he doesn't, he'll be the next victim.)

butt-nuggets: The dream police have come to fruition.

It was a cheap trick

GAT_00: MaesterFuzzy: Are crimes like this...illegal to...plan?

Times you can be arrested and convicted for not actually doing anything:
Terrorism
Intent to fark a 14 year old

13 year olds still okay?

/kidding
//awaits fbi nonetheless

Stoker: Cops are the ultimate law breakers. They think a badge gives them the right, and the judge agrees. (If he doesn't, he'll be the next victim.)

Really?

so what's the vernacular to avoid prosecution for prostitution? Not that I'm in the market, but just curious.

"hey, want a date?"

"wanna come to my bar-b-que?"

etc

Marshal805: Stoker: Cops are the ultimate law breakers. They think a badge gives them the right, and the judge agrees. (If he doesn't, he'll be the next victim.)

Really?

Really, in the movies.

butt-nuggets: so what's the vernacular to avoid prosecution for prostitution? Not that I'm in the market, but just curious.

"hey, want a date?"

"wanna come to my bar-b-que?"

etc

I believe the current code is "want to get all werewolfy and have knife sex"

No Chris Hansen? I'm disappointed in you guys.

butt-nuggets: so what's the vernacular to avoid prosecution for prostitution? Not that I'm in the market, but just curious.

"hey, want a date?"

"wanna come to my bar-b-que?"

etc

There's none. That's all bullshiate

A buddy of mine came up with (and uses) a pretty good line on stripper. "Would you like to come to my house for a private photography session?" He is a photographer. It works. But he uses that to break the ice more than anything else.

nonzero: butt-nuggets: so what's the vernacular to avoid prosecution for prostitution? Not that I'm in the market, but just curious.

"hey, want a date?"

"wanna come to my bar-b-que?"

etc

I believe the current code is "want to get all werewolfy and have knife sex"

Oh, ok, then he deserves to be all pincushy.

uber humper: A buddy of mine came up with (and uses) a pretty good line on stripper. "Would you like to come to my house for a private photography session?" He is a photographer. It works. But he uses that to break the ice more than anything else.

What does he use on the herpes outbreaks?

Assimilate This: FTFA: Eric Lentovich, 36, a six-year veteran of the East Naples Fire Department, was one of two men with Collier ties

How does their style of neckwear have anything to do with it?

It's one of the finest of ties. if these men were wearing them, they've obviously got some clout - it's all political and in the hands of Big Cravat.

I was in a chat room once when someone purporting to be a kid came in and wanted us to tell him how to "deface" web sites. Yeah, let us tell some random stranger how to commit a federal crime in an open chat room. That must have been before the cops started giving their operatives entrapment lessons.

Happy Hours: I'm not going to bother with reading the article, but entrapment means they enticed you into a crime you otherwise would not have considered.

Chatting with someone online, inviting them over and getting them hot and bothered and then asking, hey, would you like to stick that thing in my 14-year old daughter is almost certainly entrapment.

Not sure how this one played out, but if the accused was all like "i wanna bang you and your daughter I don't care how old she is" it's not entrapment.

This.
It's also the reason the cops can use bait cars and bait bikes to catch thieves.
Entrapment would be if the cop said, "Hey why don't you go steal that car there!".
They also use ordinary bikes/cars so they don't create the incentive to commit the crime - not parking a $200,000 car in the street, for example.

jingks: What does he use on the herpes outbreaks?

2 condoms?

uber humper: Marshal805: Stoker: Cops are the ultimate law breakers. They think a badge gives them the right, and the judge agrees. (If he doesn't, he'll be the next victim.)

Really?

Really, in the movies.

Next you'll tell me that police Sergeants don't regularly lean over their desks red-faced and screaming, "You're OUT OF CONTROL, Smith!"

jingks: uber humper: A buddy of mine came up with (and uses) a pretty good line on stripper. "Would you like to come to my house for a private photography session?" He is a photographer. It works. But he uses that to break the ice more than anything else.

What does he use on the herpes outbreaks?

Condoms. And I doubt he worries much about it. He mostly farks porn stars and they all have it, bonus that most in porn industry are checked of HIV. In that lifestyle it's no less common than acne on teenagers.

GAT_00: Remember kids:

On the Internet, the men are men
The women are men
And the 14 year old girls are FBI agents

Except for in Fandom.

There the women are women. The men are transgendered women. And the 14 year olds really are 14 and write creepy notes telling you how much they love reading the pornographic fic you posted.

Seems a lot of hassle going onto some chatroom to get sex with a teen. All that driving, finding the house, bringing candy, hiding under the bed if the parents came home, possibility said teen is a FBI agent etc.

Just grab them off the street. That's what I do. Less chance of them being from the FBI since you can see their faces.

Anyone remember the story about the guy who said he'd meet some girl he met online but instead sent a letter to the house warning them about their daughters behavior?

Yeah, they arrested him anyway. It was the third time he'd done it. No word on if the first two were cops or not.

Begoggle: It's also the reason the cops can use bait cars and bait bikes to catch thieves.

When you run out of criminals to catch, make more!