Bring over the Mini SD and I'll brew my own veggie fuel. Until then I'll be suckling the long hydrocarbon teat.

/really, really like my Cooper S
//don't like the speeding ticket I have to plea down tomorrow.

Uh, we're producing more too. Close to 75% of the fuels we use, we produce. Up from about 50% 30 years ago. I get it, more carbon means a difficult future, but more dependence on foreign oil means more wars and death.

I'm not thrilled with either option, but if I have to pick one I'm gonna go with the former rather than the latter.

Inb4 overpopulation denier wharrgarbl.

More than in 2010? Oh, yeah, more than the record low, I'm shaking in my boots and whatnot.

Manifest destiny.

Fossil fuels are cheap energy. We keep whining about the economy and how this generation won't have it as good as the previous. And about global warming. Guess what, there's no free lunch people. Something has to give. Get used to it.

I think you mean Freedom Fuels, subby! The earth is only 5000 years old that's not long enough for fossil fuels to form!

The earth has a gooey hot crushed-dinosaur center that spontaneously generates oil.
No probrem.

Quick, burn more gas to grow corn!

I honestly don't care that we are. They work. We know how to produce them and we sure as bell know how to use it. What about all those jobs people keep talking about. Yeah. They employ people too.

That doesn't mean we don't go after green tech. We do, but right now we use what we can. Fossil fuels aren't running out like they predicted.

We still have a responsibility to keep moving forward. It doesn't mean you just stop using you current fuel source. Fossil fuels do a lot more good than just provide gasoline. Ever hear of plastic?

B-b-b-but Obama! Electric cars!

Between Canadas oil sands and 'mericas inability to change we could be the tag team to bring this mother down!

enforcerpsu: Fossil fuels aren't running out like they predicted.

Heh, yeah - that's why we haven't had to resort to drilling in the most inhospitable environment on Earth (deep ocean) to find more, or have had to start using vast amounts of energy and water to boil it out of the tar sands; we can still just shoot a bullet into the ground and have some bubbling crude come flowing up. Texas Tea.

Here's a hint for you. When, as a society, we start contemplating drilling in our National Parks and Reserves, because everywhere is already tapped or empty - we're running out.

Well, I'm buying a brand new Mustang Boss 302 in the spring... So that shows you how much I care.

/Laguna Seca Edition, of course.
//Go hug a tree, hippie.

NASCAR, a stupid way to waste fuel

CCCarnie: Well, I'm buying a brand new Mustang Boss 302 in the spring... So that shows you how much I care.

/Laguna Seca Edition, of course.
//Go hug a tree, hippie.

I enjoy that internet tough guys attempt to prove how un-hippy they are by touting a 26 mpg (highway) car. 15 years ago, that would have been dangerously close to hippy mpg, considering most compacts of the 1990's barely got 30mpg.

It's a cool car, for sure, but it isn't exactly a smog belching, gas hog.

MrSteve007: I enjoy that internet tough guys attempt to prove how un-hippy they are by touting a 26 mpg (highway) car. 15 years ago, that would have been dangerously close to hippy mpg, considering most compacts of the 1990's barely got 30mpg.

It's a cool car, for sure, but it isn't exactly a smog belching, gas hog.

That's actually pretty impressive. I never bothered to look it up because well, as I said before I don't care. Huh. 400+ HP and still gets 26 mpg. Of course, when I take it to the track, it'll be getting significantly less than that... (And modifications that I make to it aren't going to be helping the gas efficiency.) But it's still impressive, I have to admit.

CCCarnie: Of course, when I take it to the track, it'll be getting significantly less than that...

That's said of every vehicle. My 50 mpg motorcycle gets 16 mpg at the track. When you only have a 3.5 gallon tank, and average 90mph (peaking up to 155mph), it goes pretty quick.

Malcolm_Sex: Between Canadas oil sands and 'mericas inability to change we could be the tag team to bring this mother down!

What do you mean, "could be"? Do you see a significant change occurring in the next 5 years? I certainly don't - we're too busy arguing about whether a person becomes a person at the moment of fertilization, or if the invisible man in the sky likes gay people, or if there's some way we can both hate illegal immigrants and still get them to pick our tomatoes.

We could do something about it, but it's going to take a very rude friggin' awakening before that happens.