Mugato: ...who were undoubtedly greased by Big Tobacco.

Or the drug companies making stuff like nicotine gum and patches.

/There are also dumbasses who hate them because it looks like smoking.

downstairs: muck4doo: Or the drug companies making stuff like nicotine gum and patches

Which begs the question. If this works so well, why don't the drug companies- and their cartel of lobbyists- come up with an e-cigarette themselves?

They've already spent billions to peddle their own fixes.

downstairs: muck4doo: downstairs: muck4doo: Or the drug companies making stuff like nicotine gum and patches

Which begs the question. If this works so well, why don't the drug companies- and their cartel of lobbyists- come up with an e-cigarette themselves?

They've already spent billions to peddle their own fixes.

Yeah, but that doesn't make business sense. And that's not the way Big Pharma works. They want and need new products. The more the merrier.

They're a business. Often have their hands too far down the government's britches... but still, they need to innovate new products all the time.

The fact that so many e-cig companies are popping up tells me it's probably because it is something they can't patent.

muck4doo: The fact that so many e-cig companies are popping up tells me it's probably because it is something they can't patent.

Or a slight variation,
They are trying to outlaw all the patents, except the ones that they hold themselves.

Cigarette smoke stinks[1] and is nasty. There's reason to prohibit actual cigs inside, because it's spreading that gross smoke and stink around other people. People can argue (and no doubt will) but at least there's an actual effect on others to argue about. Actual smoke, wafting.

But what on earth is wrong with e-cigs? Even if they're still deadly and scary and awful for the user (if!), they don't muck up the air AROUND the user, do they? So what is the problem?

[1] at least the stuff the vast majority of people are consuming - some of the loose leaf stuff can smell pretty good

downstairs: muck4doo: Or the drug companies making stuff like nicotine gum and patches

Which begs the question. If this works so well, why don't the drug companies- and their cartel of lobbyists- come up with an e-cigarette themselves?

Inappropriate use of begging the question, 5 yard penalty, still first down (new window)

Smoking is like slow-motion suicide! Don't do it!



Here, take FDA Approved Chantix instead. You'll kill yourself a LOT more quickly.


/Pfizer

muck4doo: downstairs: muck4doo: downstairs: muck4doo: Or the drug companies making stuff like nicotine gum and patches

Which begs the question. If this works so well, why don't the drug companies- and their cartel of lobbyists- come up with an e-cigarette themselves?

They've already spent billions to peddle their own fixes.

Yeah, but that doesn't make business sense. And that's not the way Big Pharma works. They want and need new products. The more the merrier.

They're a business. Often have their hands too far down the government's britches... but still, they need to innovate new products all the time.

The fact that so many e-cig companies are popping up tells me it's probably because it is something they can't patent.


BINGO!

If there's one thing that Big Pharma HATES, it's anything that might tend to compete with their products that they can't patent, preventing them from effectively cornering the market.

When you see the FDA aggressively attacking some product or device - blowing horror stories out of proportion in an attempt to demonize, it's likely because Big Pharma said "sic 'em, boy!"

For example, right now we see the Feds revamping their efforst to kill medical marijuana.

This couldn't have anything to do with the Rx Giants' big rush to concoct a number of PATENTABLE products either derived from or synthesized to replicate some of MJ's benefits, could it?


/Fetches tinfoil pipe

Amos Quito: muck4doo: downstairs: muck4doo: downstairs: muck4doo: Or the drug companies making stuff like nicotine gum and patches

Which begs the question. If this works so well, why don't the drug companies- and their cartel of lobbyists- come up with an e-cigarette themselves?

They've already spent billions to peddle their own fixes.

Yeah, but that doesn't make business sense. And that's not the way Big Pharma works. They want and need new products. The more the merrier.

They're a business. Often have their hands too far down the government's britches... but still, they need to innovate new products all the time.

The fact that so many e-cig companies are popping up tells me it's probably because it is something they can't patent.


BINGO!

If there's one thing that Big Pharma HATES, it's anything that might tend to compete with their products that they can't patent, preventing them from effectively cornering the market.

When you see the FDA aggressively attacking some product or device - blowing horror stories out of proportion in an attempt to demonize, it's likely because Big Pharma said "sic 'em, boy!"

For example, right now we see the Feds revamping their efforst to kill medical marijuana.

This couldn't have anything to do with the Rx Giants' big rush to concoct a number of PATENTABLE products either derived from or synthesized to replicate some of MJ's benefits, could it?


/Fetches tinfoil pipe

No tinfoil needed when it's obvious.

The government doesn't really want people to quit smoking. Think of all the lost revenue.

Smoking farker, here, looking for a good e-cig that doesn't cost an arm or a leg. Used to smoking lung-bleeder kools. What's a good option?

From what I've been reading, eCigarettes are the most effective means of quitting for even hardcore smokers with a much higher success rate than patches, gum, or drugs.

So of course any organization who's existence depends on a large supply of smokers to vilify would be against it.

Amos Quito: Smoking is like slow-motion suicide! Don't do it!

[www.chantix-injuries.com image 400x250]

Here, take FDA Approved Chantix instead. You'll kill yourself a LOT more quickly.


/Pfizer

And your family, neighbors, pets, random strangers....

It boggles my mind that they are trying to ban the e-cigs on the grounds that they are drug delivery devices, but cigarettes aren't. Thats just ridiculous.

Of course, despite the number of people here who really need to believe in a pharma company conspiracy, the people who are most against the e-cigarettes are just the New Age Puritan/control freak sorts who think that cigarettes (or anything at all like them) are completely evil, even if you remove the number one bad health effect (the cancer causing compounds in normal cigarettes).

I've met a number of anti-smoking types who will complain about someone using an e-cigarette for half a day - even though they have zero reason to, other than "that person is enjoying something I don't approve of!"

I know several people who quit smoking (or cut back a lot) with the help of e-cigarettes.

muck4doo: There are also dumbasses who hate them because it looks like smoking.

If there's no toxic chemicals to make it dangerous all the kids will try it and get hooked!

Also because anti-smoking activists don't like to diferentiate between nicotine products.

And let me tell ya brother, there's a huge difference between smoking a marlboro red and an ultra-light.

They don't use a lot of reason y'see.

The only reasons I don't like e-cigs is because you can never really tell when they're done, there's no real limit to how long you can smoke them (each real cig is one discrete unit, e-cigs just tend to go on until they don't any longer) and they might be too convenient. For me at least, discretely puffing away in the office, I didn't really ever stop using it. That shiat'll get you high if you don't have the right dosage.

Also, trying to not be obvious about puffing on an e-cig made me look a bit tarded.

But it outside of the weird oiliness it was a nice change from real cigarettes.

meh. find me some other equivalent dosing mechanism for nicotine and harmaline alkaloids and we'll all be happier and less psychotic.

Cpl.D: Smoking farker, here, looking for a good e-cig that doesn't cost an arm or a leg. Used to smoking lung-bleeder kools. What's a good option?

I've got a V2 kit that's weened me down quite a bit, but not completely. It's a nice design, and I love the manual, but their flavors available aren't there yet. Bleu has awesome flavors, but is not as well designed from what I've heard. There's a bunch of others. From what I've seen from these threads in the past is Farkers are more than willing to help and give an honest opinion about the varieties available. Wish you the best of luck.

This seems like as good a place as any to ask: Any farkers out there know a decent source of 18650 Protected button top batteries? Or of any rebuildable atomizers other than the Ato-miser, A2-T and that 250 dollar tank one?

Cpl.D: Smoking farker, here, looking for a good e-cig that doesn't cost an arm or a leg. Used to smoking lung-bleeder kools. What's a good option?

I have been having success with weaning myself off smokes with blucigs. They have a disposable one you can get at walgreens for around 8 bucks. American made smoke juice. Try the tobacco flavor. Not bad.
I have gone from almost a pack a day to one to 4 regular smokes a day. Its been a great help in helping me.
Big tobacco and big Pharm can suck it.

/don't fark with e-cigs, please

I hate to sound like a commercial for big pharma.... but... I smoked filterless Pall Malls for over 20 years. After taking Zyban for 10 or 12 days, I simply quit smoking. It was un-farkin-believable. It's been over 16 months since my last cigarette.

Cigars. Why smoke anything else?

skankboy: The government doesn't really want people to quit smoking. Think of all the lost revenue.

And all the pensions that will need to be paid.

I want to look cool. I want you to give me a handkerchief, some rubber tubing, and a syringe and I want to shoot that shiat into my vein behind the office. Chicks dig heroin addicts. That would be awesome. I would be awesome.


*bad joke*

nocturn: The only reasons I don't like e-cigs is because you can never really tell when they're done, there's no real limit to how long you can smoke them (each real cig is one discrete unit, e-cigs just tend to go on until they don't any longer) and they might be too convenient.

I think that's what helps some people quit. The smoke less because they don't have to finish a whole unit. Almost the opposite of your experience. Perhaps you should make yourself leave your desk if you want to puff on the eCig instead of using it at your desk.

jingks: skankboy: The government doesn't really want people to quit smoking. Think of all the lost revenue.

And all the pensions that will need to be paid.

you people are idiots. There's really nothing else to say.

An E cig helped me quit smoking, perfect stepping stone. After a few months, no longer needed it. Thanks E cig.
Oh, and bubble gum flavor F.T.W.

nocturn: I want to look cool. I want you to give me a handkerchief, some rubber tubing, and a syringe and I want to shoot that shiat into my vein behind the office. Chicks dig heroin addicts. That would be awesome. I would be awesome.


*bad joke*

Yes, it is.

jingks: nocturn: The only reasons I don't like e-cigs is because you can never really tell when they're done, there's no real limit to how long you can smoke them (each real cig is one discrete unit, e-cigs just tend to go on until they don't any longer) and they might be too convenient.

I think that's what helps some people quit. The smoke less because they don't have to finish a whole unit. Almost the opposite of your experience. Perhaps you should make yourself leave your desk if you want to puff on the eCig instead of using it at your desk.

Because the whole point of the electronic version was to avoid going down too often for breaks. I think I might an addict. I need help. : /

Cpl.D: Smoking farker, here, looking for a good e-cig that doesn't cost an arm or a leg. Used to smoking lung-bleeder kools. What's a good option?

V2cigs are fantastic IMHO, but anything that will give you a satisfying throat hit will be pricey. Paid around $170 for the highest level starter kit and love it. Be sure to get the flavor sampler regardless of whether you think you like it or not.

You have to want to quit, though. It is not exactly the same as smoking a cigarette and cannot be because it is nicotine only (lacks the other stuff cigs are designed to get you more addicted), but it's damn close.

thismomentinblackhistory: I'm in the process of switching myself. This Fark thread (new window) has a lot of good links and information, along with plenty of recommendations from Farkers.

Thanks! I've got several friends who are now "down" to...er...cybersmokes. Their apartments smell SO much better! I need to do this; I went from Marlboro reds to "ultra-lights" (whatever that means), and now I smoke AMerican Spurt ultra-lights when I've been drinking. Cough.

Amos Quito: Here, take FDA Approved Chantix instead. You'll kill yourself a LOT more quickly.


/Pfizer

Grr. Pfizer is one of my personal enemies. I want to destroy "him". Since I want to destroy a corporation, not humans, that's ok, right?

Whenever I've got a few hipsters smoking e-cigs at my bar, I'll discreetly smoke a one hitter and add a little pot smoke to the mix.
Kinda funny to watch them look at each other.

muck4doo: Cpl.D: Smoking farker, here, looking for a good e-cig that doesn't cost an arm or a leg. Used to smoking lung-bleeder kools. What's a good option?

If you're trying to go real cheap, I suggest one of the eGo-T USB kits (new window), but those use MOSFET switches and sealed batteries, so the switches have a habit of burning out if you're not careful, and the batteries are sealed, so you can't just buy a new cell, and that sucks.

They're pretty stylish, especially in all stainless steel, and you can get a kit for about 80 bucks. I buy from goodprophets, myself.

But, for a little more money, you can go 'caveman' and get a nice 'battery tube' mod with a mechanical switch, and those are pretty much bombproof.

The SuperT manufacturing (new window) "Precise" series, or the "Prodigy (new window)" ecig are what I'd buy if I were going to buy another one tomorrow.

There are all sorts of various choices in atomizers (your heating element), but I've found that the 510 cartomizers with the soft tips, around 2.0ohms (new window) are the sweet spot for me.

As far as juice goes, Tasty Vapor (new window) has delicious selections at fairly reasonable prices, or you could learn to do a bit of mixing and pick up your own source materials, which is MUCH cheaper once you find a decent supplier.

/I don't sell these, I'm just a satisfied customer.

eatin' fetus: Cpl.D: Smoking farker, here, looking for a good e-cig that doesn't cost an arm or a leg. Used to smoking lung-bleeder kools. What's a good option?

V2cigs are fantastic IMHO, but anything that will give you a satisfying throat hit will be pricey. Paid around $170 for the highest level starter kit and love it. Be sure to get the flavor sampler regardless of whether you think you like it or not.

You have to want to quit, though. It is not exactly the same as smoking a cigarette and cannot be because it is nicotine only (lacks the other stuff cigs are designed to get you more addicted), but it's damn close.

Having smoked American Spirits (goddam three hour long and as easy a puff as a lit tree branch) and e-cigs - I can almost say that the e-cigs don't need the uptake chemicals (ammonia, I think), they'll still give you a pretty good rush.

Happy Hours: e-cigs suck - this is what you want. Still vapes the nicotine into your lungs, doesn't burn tobacco, but still lit with a flame.

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Uh, what is that?

The most powerful aid to help anyone stop smoking is between their ears. It's called will power. I quit cold turkey after a 24 year, pack-a-day habit and haven't had a single puff in over 12 years. It pi$$ed me off that an inanimate object had taken such control over my day to day activities.

/Good luck to anyone attempting to quit, by whatever method that leads to success.

OgreMagi: From what I've been reading, eCigarettes are the most effective means of quitting for even hardcore smokers with a much higher success rate than patches, gum, or drugs.

So of course any organization who's existence depends on a large supply of smokers to vilify would be against it.

I don't really believe there is a "most effective" way to quit that is the same for everyone. I tried everything (ecigs,pills,gums,patches) and after failing at everything decided cold turkey was the only thing that was going to work for me because my addiction to nicotine was so intense that anything that included nicotine just made me go back to smoking .Quitting cold turkey is hell on Earth for the first couple of weeks but I made it though by convincing myself that each new day without nicotine would hurt less and less. It's been almost 6 months and it doesn't hurt as much anymore although I still have days where I think about smoking a lot. I have friends who have been sucessful with most of the quit smoking aids out there, I think it all depends on what kind of an addict you are.