SpamMan5R: This makes absolutely zero sense to me unless Adobe has seen the writing on the wall and thinks Flash is going out regardless. Moblie computing is going to be a large enough market that sites are not going to want to keep writing the same content in Flash for desktops and HTML5 for phones/tablets.

Yeah, it's time for open source standards to break the Flash stranglehold. CSS and HMTL can do awesome stuff now.

Zombie Jobs laughs...

It came and went like a flash!

/bitter

Flash is going out regardless.

Here here. The quicker flash leaves, the better.

HTML5 on my windows phone is fantastic.

/not Adobe, please change Audition back to the way it was

Ah-HAAAA!

SpamMan5R: This makes absolutely zero sense to me unless Adobe has seen the writing on the wall and thinks Flash is going out regardless. Moblie computing is going to be a large enough market that sites are not going to want to keep writing the same content in Flash for desktops and HTML5 for phones/tablets.

I'm hoping* that they're just super-confident in their abilities for the next version of Flash to export working an include file as javascript and HTML5 and be true to the original animation and code specs.

* Not really. It's not actually feasible from my understanding of what goes on behind the scenes. I'm actually really happy with the moves I've made internally towards using jQuery instead of Flash - fewer retarded requests, etc - but AS2 was a fantastic way to integrate code and animation to do some neat stuff within the timelines I have to work with.

I don't think its stock will drop. If you read the business press, Adobe should have done this long ago. They see Apple's stock flying high, and Steve Jobs said he hates Flash, ergo, Wall Street assumes that Adobe should dump Flash entirely, if not just for mobile platforms. Using the HTML 5 buzzword probably gives them huge points with Wall Street.

sickb0y: Flash is going out regardless.


And it will be funny to see people complaining that nothing works cross-platform in HTML 5 because of different browser implementations. But oh well, we've been there before with Java, we'll get through it.

Thier stock closed yesterday at 30.42 but opened at 27.49, although it's gained some since then (it's at 28.25 now). They issued "downside revenue guidance for 2012", though, so that may be the cause of the drop more than this announcement.

As long as webdevs see the writing on the wall too, I'm fine with it. I want flash on my devices only insomuch as the content I want to access is still trapped in flash.

/no, not just porn

So for a site like Newgrounds, that thrives on user submitted flash content, are people going to learn HTML 5 and be able to make the same type of stuff?

That is really all I'm worried about.

fark I love Newgrounds.

Geotpf: Thier stock closed yesterday at 30.42 but opened at 27.49, although it's gained some since then (it's at 28.25 now). They issued "downside revenue guidance for 2012", though, so that may be the cause of the drop more than this announcement.

Well, the negative guidance and the fact they also announced they're laying off yet another 750 full-time people...

but i thought apple was all crazy, and flash would be around forever, and all those android phones/tablets were way better because they supported flash.

i wonder what they android phone/tablet selling point is going to be now? "it's almost like an iphone/ipad!"

FlashHarry: you just KNOW they waited for steve jobs to die before giving him the satisfaction...

This. Fortunately, they also did the classy thing and didn't announce it the day after he died.

/Maybe they told him before he died? His last words were, "oh wow, oh wow, oh wow."

Here (new window) are a few things that HTML5 still needs to catch-up. I think the major issue is the lack of DRM. That makes streamers like Hulu and Netflix cringe a bit.

I'm a bit shocked about lack of full screen support.

What Adobe should do is create a timeline-driven HTML5 authorer, that exactly mimics their current Adobe Flash Professional software.

Then,,, all the Flash geeks out there (i'm one of them), can feel like we're not sacrificing creative expression, when incorporating HTML5.

I'm looking at this program HYPE. It seems to have the basics down... using keyframes, sort of like the motion tweens in Flash... however it doesn't seem too elegant. I think it would be a pain to use it extensively for a long workflow.

I'm open to HTML5. I've seen cool stuff it can do... But, i just want the same 2D animation capability as Flash.

Adobe is creating new jobs... in India. And laying off their American workers.

Guess the Republicans were right, we shouldn't have raised their taxes! Oh wait...

shiate: but i thought apple was all crazy, and flash would be around forever, and all those android phones/tablets were way better because they supported flash.

i wonder what they android phone/tablet selling point is going to be now? "it's almost like an iphone/ipad!"

What is Apple's selling point? "We're smug"?! Can you name me a single function that an Apple device can do that can't be done on Android? And please don't say Siri. I don't need to pretend my voice recognition device is actually alive. Talking to it like its a human is more time consuming that just saying a few keywords.

Siri is akin to performing a google search by typing, "Dear Mr. Google, please find me a coffee shop in Burbank". Umm.. no thanks. thats making technology harder, not easier.

T.rex: What is Apple's selling point? "We're smug"?! Can you name me a single function that an Apple device can do that can't be done on Android? And please don't say Siri. I don't need to pretend my voice recognition device is actually alive. Talking to it like its a human is more time consuming that just saying a few keywords.


i think you missed the point entirely. android's selling point has long been "we have flash, and ios doesn't so we rule and ios sucks." now they can't say that any more. i think a better way to look at it would be, what does android do that ios doesn't?

T.rex: Siri is akin to performing a google search by typing, "Dear Mr. Google, please find me a coffee shop in Burbank". Umm.. no thanks. thats making technology harder, not easier.

no, it's not like that at all. it's like saying something, not typing something. and saying something is generally easier than typing it, at least for most people.

T.rex: Can you name me a single function that an Apple device can do that can't be done on Android?

I use iOS because I care about security, the availability of apps, and being insulated from my carrier's software choices.

FlashHarry: you just KNOW they waited for steve jobs to die before giving him the satisfaction...

They knew when he would die? farking time travelers, they are.

Yea we cornered the market,


Lets abandon it

shiate: i think you missed the point entirely. android's selling point has long been "we have flash, and ios doesn't so we rule and ios sucks." now they can't say that any more. i think a better way to look at it would be, what does android do that ios doesn't?

Come loaded on crappy tablets?

shiate: T.rex: Siri is akin to performing a google search by typing, "Dear Mr. Google, please find me a coffee shop in Burbank". Umm.. no thanks. thats making technology harder, not easier.

no, it's not like that at all. it's like saying something, not typing something. and saying something is generally easier than typing it, at least for most people.

People like T.rex like talking in codes only machines understand. What they don't understand is that they can still talk like that and get better results from Siri. You can even talk like Yoda.

YouTube, skip to 10 min, 40 sec (new window)

Mitch Taylor's Bro: shiate: i think you missed the point entirely. android's selling point has long been "we have flash, and ios doesn't so we rule and ios sucks." now they can't say that any more. i think a better way to look at it would be, what does android do that ios doesn't?

Come loaded on crappy tablets?

shiate: T.rex: Siri is akin to performing a google search by typing, "Dear Mr. Google, please find me a coffee shop in Burbank". Umm.. no thanks. thats making technology harder, not easier.

no, it's not like that at all. it's like saying something, not typing something. and saying something is generally easier than typing it, at least for most people.

People like T.rex like talking in codes only machines understand. What they don't understand is that they can still talk like that and get better results from Siri. You can even talk like Yoda.

YouTube, skip to 10 min, 40 sec (new window)

You can talk like Yoda in an Android too. (just tried it). worked perfectly fine.
Or... i could just say the word "movie", and its works too. It already knows where i am via GPS, and will kick back all the movie theatres.

Saying a drawn out sentence verses saying one or 2 keywords is couterproductive, but regardless, Siri is no better than Android's voice recognition, in either scenario.

Thank god, I farkin' hate ActionScript

apeiron242: SpamMan5R: This makes absolutely zero sense to me unless Adobe has seen the writing on the wall and thinks Flash is going out regardless. Moblie computing is going to be a large enough market that sites are not going to want to keep writing the same content in Flash for desktops and HTML5 for phones/tablets.

Yeah, it's time for open source standards to break the Flash stranglehold. CSS and HMTL can do awesome stuff now.

I'm going to risk sounding really stupid...but....I just don't get it. Not at all.

I don't understand the HTML5 + CSS + Javascript love everyone seems to have. I'll admit, the separation of styling information and content in a site is nice - but I don't see how it solves any of the problems Flash and other plug-ins have already solved.

HTML5 and CSS are just standards. The browsers are supposed to implement them, but they often don't or implement them differently, or also implement other cool stuff. It's super, super easy to find a site that displays different in all the browsers while not violating any of the HTML5 or CSS rules. And there is a ton of stuff you still can't do with HTML5 that you can do with Flash or Silverlight.

And Javascript? Maybe I'm just biased because I don't use it enough but what a mess that is. Sure you can do some cool stuff with it, but I'd much rather leverage the .Net Framework and all the tools that go with it. Silverlight had a lot of promise, before everyone seemed to decide it was time to move to HTML 5.

Something like 98% of desktop users can view Flash content. What percentage are running fully HTML5 compliant browsers? And yeah, that's a trick question because they're still defining the HTML5 standards, so in a sense, it's zero. Regardless, any time I do anything with HTML5 or CSS, I need to open up as many browsers as I possibly can and try the site in each - because I can't just design a site that works in Chrome (as an example) and know that it will render the same in IE. With Flash - that's not a problem at all.

Maybe I'm just too stupid to see the brilliance of HTML5 and all that jazz....but personally, I liked it better when people just said, 'Oh - you want to have a really rich ux then you just use Flash and everyone is happy'. Now it's like 'Well, you could use Flash - but that's lame. That's old. You need to use this new thing. It's the wave of the future!...but umm, it's not quite ready.'

sure haven't: Here here. The quicker flash leaves, the better.

QFT

T.rex:

What is Apple's selling point? "We're smug"?! Can you name me a single function that an Apple device can do that can't be done on Android?

Hate to break this to you, but Androitards are the new Apple fanbois.

Hopefully, it will die on the web too, eventually.

PingTimeout: Here (new window) are a few things that HTML5 still needs to catch-up. I think the major issue is the lack of DRM. That makes streamers like Hulu and Netflix cringe a bit.

I'm a bit shocked about lack of full screen support.

Netflix uses Silverlight.

The ONLY time my browsers crash is on Flash-heavy sites.

What the death of highly mobile flash may look like

T.rex: You can talk like Yoda in an Android too. (just tried it). worked perfectly fine.
Or... i could just say the word "movie", and its works too. It already knows where i am via GPS, and will kick back all the movie theatres.

Saying a drawn out sentence verses saying one or 2 keywords is couterproductive, but regardless, Siri is no better than Android's voice recognition, in either scenario.

Again, it's because you like talking in code. Non-geeks like to use ordinary, conversational language. The productivity part comes from not having to learn what keywords the phone understands. But hey, you like your Android phone, and that's all that matters. I can't justify upgrading my iPhone 4 to a 4S, but Siri makes me WANT to :-)

pup.socket: Hopefully, it will die on the web too, eventually.

It will. The only question is "when?"

Kar98: PingTimeout: Here (new window) are a few things that HTML5 still needs to catch-up. I think the major issue is the lack of DRM. That makes streamers like Hulu and Netflix cringe a bit.

I'm a bit shocked about lack of full screen support.

Netflix uses Silverlight.

I thought I had heard that before. I actually just meant that HTML5 wouldn't be a suitable replacement for Flash-like technologies for a bit.

But the Porn uses flash, how will I be able to rub one out at the office without portable porn

Mitch Taylor's Bro: T.rex: You can talk like Yoda in an Android too. (just tried it). worked perfectly fine.
Or... i could just say the word "movie", and its works too. It already knows where i am via GPS, and will kick back all the movie theatres.

Saying a drawn out sentence verses saying one or 2 keywords is couterproductive, but regardless, Siri is no better than Android's voice recognition, in either scenario.

Again, it's because you like talking in code. Non-geeks like to use ordinary, conversational language. The productivity part comes from not having to learn what keywords the phone understands. But hey, you like your Android phone, and that's all that matters. I can't justify upgrading my iPhone 4 to a 4S, but Siri makes me WANT to :-)

I understand what you're saying, but my point is this: Unbeknownst to the user, Siri is likely simply ignoring all the fluff words, and just concentrating on the keywords. Android can do the same thing. I can say the full-blown conversational sentence in Android, and it (presumably) ignores all the fluff words and concentrates on the keywords.

Thus, the Android performs equal to Siri. Siri is not comprehending anything better than Android. For the non-geeks, you can talk like Ernest Hemingway with run-on sentences all you like, and it will still understand.

Fark_Guy_Rob:
Maybe I'm just too stupid to see the brilliance of HTML5 and all that jazz....but personally, I liked it better when people just said, 'Oh - you want to have a really rich ux then you just use Flash and everyone is happy'. Now it's like 'Well, you could use Flash - but that's lame. That's old. You need to use this new thing. It's the wave of the future!...but umm, it's not quite ready.'

Totally agree. But maybe it's because I'm biased towards flash for having learned every major version since Macromedia Flash 4, and would feel like all that skill would be wasted if it simply went away.
"Knows Flash" wouldn't be very useful on a resume then. :(

Kar98: Ah-HAAAA!

Not the saviour of the universe

Kanemano: But the Porn uses flash, how will I be able to rub one out at the office without portable porn

We'll have to go back to the dark days of wacking off over pictures and gifs. *shivers*

Fark_Guy_Rob: I don't see how it solves any of the problems Flash and other plug-ins have already solved.

HTML5 and CSS are just standards.

You answered your own question is successive sentences. HTML5 and CSS are publicly documented standards, formed by the community. If I want to make an HTML5-powered site, I don't have to pay a licensing fee to Adobe. I don't have to upload a BLOB that doesn't easily support deep linking and requires a binary executable loaded into the browser environment to run.

In fact, I'm going to go a step farther: all browser plugins should go (not extensions, content plugins). Security of the web increases a thousand-fold the next day.