EnviroDude: From my conversations with people, if it were to have allowed for abortions in the case of rape, incest, health of the mother as well as invitro fertilization - it would have passed.

Because the language was vague and ambiguous, it allowed the leftist to come in and spread their interpretation of the amendment. This, was taken as gospel and the people voted accordingly.

But hey! Abortion can still be used as birth control in Mississippi! Go Pro-Choice!

USA! USA! USA!

So, because the law was vague enough to be exploited and the public recognized that and voted accordingly, the law was not passed and there is still the possibility that a more specific law that doesn't have as wide-reaching and potentially damaging consequences passing in another election?

So... you're saying the system works?

USA! USA! USA!

Magorn: That dichotomy, the "we believe abortion is murder" but "Women should be allowed to have abortions in the case of rape of incest"

unravels the entire logic of the "pro-life" movement. IF abortion is murder, then you should support it being be outlawed in ALL cases (since when do we execute children for the crimes of their parents) , AND you should support criminal prosecutions for doctors that perform them AND the women who get them.

Biology unravels the entire logic of the "pro-life" movement, as long as it says life begins at conception. If life begins at conception, then nearly every sexually active woman in her life has had multiple miscarriages, that women would be committing manslaughter a few times in their lifetime just through menstration, and that our very reproductive process is a murder factory.

Otto's_Jacket: I feel dirty now...my apologizes for drawing attention to it.


Having said that, is this the right thread to ask for fetus recipes? I've got a poker game this weekend and my "finger food" joke requires a dish with a hearty tomato base.

The best thing about the placenta is cold placenta sandwiches the next day.

They can just do what liberals do when they are defeated at the ballot box. Have an activist judge somehow find that the law is really a "right" and guaranteed by the Constitution. Like they did with the iPads.

EnviroDude: From my conversations with people, if it were to have allowed for abortions in the case of rape, incest, health of the mother as well as invitro fertilization - it would have passed.

Wait, so from your conversations "with people", an embryo is a person only in certain cases?

The people you converse with are farked up.

Duh, they're not going to just abort their efforts

RexTalionis: EnviroDude: Because the language was vague and ambiguous, it allowed the leftist to come in and spread their interpretation of the amendment. This, was taken as gospel and the people voted accordingly.

Because, you know, there's nothing wrong with having laws that are really vague and ambiguous.

Who is "the leftist" anyway? Some lame supervillian with his suit covered in left arrows?

EnviroDude: From my conversations with people, if it were to have allowed for abortions in the case of rape, incest, health of the mother as well as invitro fertilization - it would have passed.

Except that once you consider a fertilized egg a person you can't go making exceptions. It's why the whole measure was pants-on-head retarded.

Nice work ED.

You're all a bunch of legislation killers. Have you no soul? Can't you feel the pain of an unborn bill?

EnviroDude: Otto's_Jacket: EnviroDude: From my conversations with people, if it were to have allowed for abortions in the case of rape, incest, health of the mother as well as invitro fertilization - it would have passed.

Because the language was vague and ambiguous, it allowed the leftist to come in and spread their interpretation of the amendment. This, was taken as gospel and the people voted accordingly.

But hey! Abortion can still be used as birth control in Mississippi! Go Pro-Choice!

USA! USA! USA!


You sound barren.

I am a guy and will never have an abortion.

/just joining in the celebration of the defeat of the amendment.

MaxxLarge: If fundie-'tards could be swayed by things like logic, reason, or rationality, they wouldn't still believe in their ridiculous invisible sky-wizard. They only accept their own narrow, skewed version of "reality," so they refuse to sit idly by while anyone else believes a single thing that runs counter to their hive-mind mentality. This is because they were taught WHAT to think rather than HOW to think.

because believing that matter suddenly generated, blew up and spread across the universe 4.5 Billion years ago allowing a small rock the "right" distance from a star (that also spontaneously generated) where chemicals and goo (brought to the rock by comets that spontaneously generated) got together, and somehow became a primitive life form that refused to reproduce after its own kind by defying physics and biology by not evolving, but becoming newer and improved life forms for millions of years. that makes perfect sense to me

It took billions of years, sport. Do you understand the probability of these events occurring on that scale? I'll give you a hint, since you obviously either failed or didn't take biology and physics. It's kind of high. In fact, on that scale, comets colliding with the planet are a certainty. The planet forming in the Goldilocks zone of our sun is mildly anomalous on that scale, but certainly not impossible. More like, semi-rare. Of course, there are billions of stars, that have existed for billions of years, and trillions of trillions of planets. You think life is special? Maybe in our little corner of the milky way. However, we're finding that life and chemistry always find a way. We found an organism with an arsenic based genome. On earth. That evolved to live in conditions no normal creature on this planet could live in. That's much more amazing to me than the idea that God designed it all specifically, put it all in place as is and hit play. If random events coming together to give us the order of the universe we see now is not cool and beautiful to you, than you really have hopelessly missed the point, and I fear you'll continue to rank below Peter Griffin on an IQ scale.

WizardofToast: Who is "the leftist" anyway? Some lame supervillian with his suit covered in left arrows?

what_now: EnviroDude: I am a guy

THEN SHUT THE FARK UP

EnviroDude: Account created 2011-09-26 19:43:56

He just happened to show up right around the time the League of Fail 2.0 disappeared.

EnviroDude: From my conversations with people,

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

lordaction: They can just do what liberals do when they are defeated at the ballot box. Have an activist judge somehow find that the law is really a "right" and guaranteed by the Constitution. Like they did with the iPads.

So what you're saying is they should take someone to court to get the judge to write in a rule that abortion is now outlawed?

Even if such a case could be brought (please give me a scenario here, I'm at a loss), how would that square, stare decisis-wise, with Roe v. Wade - settled case law, which usually needs a damn fine reason to overturn (and "it makes Jesus cry" is not such a reason) - or with other protections like HIPAA?

Unless you want your favorite small government to peer into womens' medical records every week or two to look for abortions or any behavior that could be harmful to a fetus (you'd probably have to follow all these women around, as they wouldn't report every beer they drank to the doc - unless you want your small government tracking that, too), knowing that you've always got an 8(ish)-week delay between conception and knowledge of conception.

Really, how does this work? Even if you could find an activist judge to "overturn" Roe v Wade (and I'll really need a hypothetical court case that could conceivably have that be a result), how would you enforce the "clumps of cells are people too!" rules with a small government?

gilgigamesh: Bloody William: murder factory

Thank you for giving me the name for my new black metal band.

I'm guessing it's taken already. (Googles) Well, it's actually the name of a documentary set in Kansas City..