It takes a lifetime to build a reputation, and a few hours to tear it down.

CapnBlues: It takes a lifetime to build a reputation, and a few hours to tear it down.

Maybe if someone submits a headline related to ice cream we can get one of these greenlit.

kxs401: CapnBlues: Maybe if someone submits a headline related to ice cream we can get one of these greenlit.

I cannot figure out how to work "Peachy Paterno" into this.

/sad time to be a Penn State alum/current Penn State grad student

you and me both, tough guy. thx again for the totalfark.

Um.... "Things are not entirely Peachy for Paterno. I wonder if they'll discontinue his ice cream flavor too?"

CapnBlues: It takes a lifetime to build a reputation, and a few hours to tear it down.

Joe could have saved at least a shred of dignity by voluntarily resigning now.

/but do they call me McGregor the fence builder?

I just read the indictment. He should be arrested.

MorrisBird: I just read the indictment. He should be arrested.

Unless you want to roll back the ex-post-facto clause of the constitution, no he shouldn't.

I agree with nuttierthanever, though -- he needs to leave now. Turn it over to a professor from the Human Development and Family Sciences department. Sure they may not win any games, but there's no way anything is getting by someone from that department.

CapnBlues: It takes a lifetime to build a reputation, and a few hours to tear it down.

Considering these allegations became public 13 years ago, I'd say i was more than a "few" hours.

i don't get this. has it been said anywhere that paterno or the university VP or president knew or were told about the alleged offenses? it's sick if sandusky did what he did, but why is it bringing down 20 other people? it's not like they all formed a giant conspiracy to work together to stalk and abuse the victims.

BunkyBrewman: CapnBlues: It takes a lifetime to build a reputation, and a few hours to tear it down.

Considering these allegations became public 13 years ago, I'd say i was more than a "few" hours.

There was an investigation 13 years ago. I wouldn't say the allegations became public, though.

rhino33: i don't get this. has it been said anywhere that paterno or the university VP or president knew or were told about the alleged offenses? it's sick if sandusky did what he did, but why is it bringing down 20 other people? it's not like they all formed a giant conspiracy to work together to stalk and abuse the victims.

I'll keep posting this for those who feel compelled to step up for JoePa without first checking their facts..


Could some of the people suggesting Joe Pa doesn't deserve blame and was not part of the cover up please explain the following (all of the following facts are available in the public record online and in the Grand Jury testimony

Lets exclude anything from before McQuerry witnessed the shower incident in 2002


Why did University officials decide there was not enough information to go forward with prosecution against Sandusky when they had a credible witness (there own grad student McQueery)
Why if McQueery was an uncredible source and made an unsubstantiated claim of witnessing a child being raped in the shower was he then promoted by JoePa to Assistant Coach in charge of receivers. You wouldn't normally expect to get a promotion after making a claim like that that turns out not to be true.
If there was nothing wrong why was Joe Sandusky banned from bringing children on campus.
Why did Sandusky retire at such a young age and not pursue/receive any offers to coach elsewhere despite being credited with helping Penn State win it's national title.
Why if the allegations against Sandusky were such that he was not allowed to come on campus with children was he still allowed to use football facilities and wear Penn State coaching apparel as recently as last week.

If you can answer the above questions honestly I would love to hear it. If you cannot you must admit that JoePa certainly did not do everything in his power to get rid of a viper in their midst.

What kind of conversation did Paterno have with Sandusky back in 2002?

JoePa knew about the allegations against Sandusky from 1998.

JoePa: Hey Sandusky, somebody told me you were taking anally raping a 10 year old in the showers last night

Sandusky: Nah, we were just showering together

JoePa: Good enough for me, don't let it happen again. Oh, and I'm taking away your locker room privileges.

I'm also curious why this guy McQueary didn't contact the police immediately when he witnessed this. (the Grand Jury indictment is sickening to read) Why would he wait overnight and then inform Paterno? I guess the Penn State football program was protecting it's reputation. How'd that turn out for them?

8 and counting, dating back to the mid 90's. This is just farking sickening.

rhino33: i don't get this. has it been said anywhere that paterno or the university VP or president knew or were told about the alleged offenses? it's sick if sandusky did what he did, but why is it bringing down 20 other people? it's not like they all formed a giant conspiracy to work together to stalk and abuse the victims.

No. They were part of a giant conspiracy to keep this quiet and protect the reputation of Penn State football. (and keep the alumni $$$$$$$ rolling in)

And yes, by not doing something about it all of those years ago, they allowed more children to be victimized.

Why did University officials decide there was not enough information to go forward with prosecution against Sandusky when they had a credible witness (there own grad student McQueery)

This is the question I want answered: When did Penn State decide it was the State of Pennsylvania?

They do NOT get to decide if there is enough information to prosecute *anyone* when there is an eyewitness to a sexual crime against a child.

BunkyBrewman: Why did University officials decide there was not enough information to go forward with prosecution against Sandusky when they had a credible witness (there own grad student McQueery)

This is the question I want answered: When did Penn State decide it was the State of Pennsylvania?

They do NOT get to decide if there is enough information to prosecute *anyone* when there is an eyewitness to a sexual crime against a child.

In essence, Paterno and the other Penn State officials decided not to press charges so they could avoid a scandal that would tarnish the school's reputation. You can see how that worked out for them.

/The cover-up is always worse than the crime. If they had alerted authorities early about Sandusky, they would have kept their jobs and not be facing criminal charges.

veedeevadeevoodee: rhino33:

has it been said anywhere that paterno or the university VP or president knew or were told about the alleged offenses?

Read the Grand Jury Findings of Fact and Recommendation of Charges (NSFW)

/ short answer is yes, they all knew


got it, thanks. the news sites have been strangely vague on this topic.

I remember hearing that Paterno and Sandusky haven't spoken since 1999, but now I can't find that.

JerseyTim: I remember hearing that Paterno and Sandusky haven't spoken since 1999, but now I can't find that.

QUIT APOLOGIZING FOR PATERNO HE'S A BABYRAPIST AND SO ARE YOU FOR DEFENDING HIM

CapnBlues: JerseyTim: I remember hearing that Paterno and Sandusky haven't spoken since 1999, but now I can't find that.

QUIT APOLOGIZING FOR PATERNO HE'S A BABYRAPIST AND SO ARE YOU FOR DEFENDING HIM

Actually, if I can confirm that, it would play into my theory that there was a mutual understanding between Paterno and Sandusky. Paterno agreed to cover up Sandusky's kidtouching and Sandusky agreed to stay quiet about the usual violations that would damage Paterno's reputation. Every school does that sort of thing that Ohio State and Miami got caught doing. Sandusky probably had that knowledge and used it for leverage. That's my sinister theory and I'm sticking to it.

The next few games should be interesting, huh.

The bottom line is that the leadership at Penn State failed these children. The assistant that witnessed Sandusky sodomizing a 10 year-old. Paterno. The AD. The VP and the President. Nobody here did the right thing which was to immediately go to the police and let them do their job. They didn't. Why? To protect the football program because the value of the football program was greater than the value of these kids? I hope it was worth it. JoePa may have the win record, but he will forever be remembered for this.

This is FAR worse than the recent scandals at USC, Miami, and Ohio State. This wasn't about student athletes taking money or favors. This was about an institution protecting a pedophile.

All those innocent kids and they only get one National Championship out of it??

slayer199: The bottom line is that the leadership at Penn State failed these children. The assistant that witnessed Sandusky sodomizing a 10 year-old. Paterno. The AD. The VP and the President. Nobody here did the right thing which was to immediately go to the police and let them do their job. They didn't. Why? To protect the football program because the value of the football program was greater than the value of these kids? I hope it was worth it. JoePa may have the win record, but he will forever be remembered for this.

This is FAR worse than the recent scandals at USC, Miami, and Ohio State. This wasn't about student athletes taking money or favors. This was about an institution protecting a pedophile.

I would consider this the worst scandal in the history of the NCAA outside of the alleged rapes at Nebraska in the 80's. Throwing/fixing games? who farking cares it's a game. Free tattoos, cars, jerseys shoes, coke, pot again who cares. This left permanent harm of people.

Talk about lack of institutional control this is it.

BunkyBrewman: This is the question I want answered: When did Penn State decide it was the State of Pennsylvania?

They do NOT get to decide if there is enough information to prosecute *anyone* when there is an eyewitness to a sexual crime against a child.

So much this. This doesn't get to be `handled' internally, when a child gets raped, you call the farking police. If I saw someone in a bathroom here raping a child, I'm not going to go run and tell the boss.

Oh, he's raping little kids? I guess just ask him to stop doing that. I'd hate to fire the guy and cost us a winning season. That would really suck.

Go out a legend, Paterno. I mean, you did only as much as you were legally obligated to do, and that should be enough.

I'm a bit surprised this Sandusky fellow hasnt already swallowed a shotgun barrel

greentea1985: In essence, Paterno and the other Penn State officials decided not to press charges so they could avoid a scandal that would tarnish the school's reputation. You can see how that worked out for them.


Yep. And the sad thing is history has taught us that coming forward- when you're not the criminal- makes you and your institution look better.

Had Paterno done everything he could to get this creep locked up for life, we'd be cheering him as a hero. And the story would have gone away after a few months/years.

And then when other scandals hit other schools, we'd all say "If he only acted like Paterno did back in 2002, so-and-so school wouldn't have their reputation tarnished. We need more men like Joe Paterno."

But, nope. Now Paterno's only legacy is he enabled and provided the means for a man to rape 8 pre-teen boys.

MorrisBird: I just read the indictment. He should be arrested.

Misprison of a felony? I'm surprised he is supposedly "in the clear" from a legal standpoint, although I guess he technically didn't have firsthand knowledge of the crime. But, to say nothing all those years when the guy was still on campus, still bringing boys around? What an asshole. I used to really like the guy.

nekom: So much this. This doesn't get to be `handled' internally, when a child gets raped, you call the farking police. If I saw someone in a bathroom here raping a child, I'm not going to go run and tell the boss.

I'm going to tell the police, my boss, his boss, and everyone else involved. I'm also going to follow up and MAKE SURE they dude sits in prison for a long time.

And if no one does anything, I'm going to sue the guy for emotional damage on seeing him raping a kid just to get it in the courts.

Nabb1: MorrisBird: I just read the indictment. He should be arrested.

Misprison of a felony? I'm surprised he is supposedly "in the clear" from a legal standpoint, although I guess he technically didn't have firsthand knowledge of the crime. But, to say nothing all those years when the guy was still on campus, still bringing boys around? What an asshole. I used to really like the guy.

Not a lawyer but my interpretation of Misprision of a Felony sure looks like he's guilty of it:

Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

Keeping him on board is concealing it. And he did not make it known to a person in civil authority.

I'd absolutely throw the book at him. Give him three years.

veedeevadeevoodee: My tinfoil hat theory? Paterno felt that he owed Sandusky ... great defensive coach, etc ... and then made an extremely, no UNBELIEVEBLY poor judgement call, bordering on criminal. Also, the PSU administration told Paterno, don't worry, we got this one ... and then did nothing because OMGWTFBBQPENNSTATEFOOTBALL cash cow.

Here's why I don't buy that one: It plays into the whole "Grandpa Joe" nonsense. Good ole Grandpa Joe, he was misguided because he was so darn loyal to one of his good friends. Grandpa Joe, even when he's wrong, he's right.

kxs401: "The mere failure to report a felony is not sufficient to constitute a violation of 18 U.S.C.A. § 4." See United States v. Johnson, 546 F.2d 1225 (5th Cir. 1977) at 1227.

Right. Now, again, I'm not a lawyer... but from what I've read concealing it does. And JoePa (and the rest of the administrators) did conceal it by keeping him employed and not going to the cops.

Read the report. There was very little hearsay. This isn't "So I heard from this person that heard from that person that talked to someone that said he cheated on his wife."

I have a feeling some PSU fans are going to get their asses kicked in the crowd by some Nebraska rednecks this weekend.

Out of a cannon, Subby?

I'd be cool with that.

Doctor Funkenstein: I have a feeling some PSU fans are going to get their asses kicked in the crowd by some Nebraska rednecks this weekend.

If they cheer JoePa, they have it coming.

I'd like to see the victims that were assaulted on campus sue the University.

downstairs: Doctor Funkenstein: I have a feeling some PSU fans are going to get their asses kicked in the crowd by some Nebraska rednecks this weekend.

If they cheer JoePa, they have it coming.

There will definitely be some of those there. I live in central PA and there are a lot of clowns who worship him like he's a god...even after all of this. Gonna be an interesting game.