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ArkPanda
2011-11-09 12:15:36 PM
Good on the NCAA for finally getting rid of those offensive racist nicknames. By the way, would you like to buy some Seminoles merchandise?
 
the_vegetarian_cannibal
2011-11-09 12:19:41 PM
ArkPanda: Good on the NCAA for finally getting rid of those offensive racist nicknames. By the way, would you like to buy some Seminoles merchandise?

The FSU nickname is officially endorsed and sanctioned by the actual Seminole Tribe of Florida. Apples and oranges, buddy.

/not an FSU fan
 
ha-ha-guy
2011-11-09 12:23:53 PM
When do we make Notre Dame change? Their local implies that the Irish are short, wear a lot of green, and are prone to violence.
 
Farkn Yaj Yenrac
2011-11-09 12:24:44 PM
Yet the Fighting Irish with a drunken cartoon leprechaun is totally cool.
 
hitmanric
2011-11-09 12:29:57 PM
If I remember correctly. One of the conditions Englestad wanted when he built the hockey arena was if the UND changed their nickname then they would no longer have use of the arena. Any UND students/alum verify this? Shame if it happens. Probably the most beautiful arena I've ever seen.
 
GQueue
2011-11-09 12:30:03 PM
ha-ha-guy: When do we make Notre Dame change? Their local implies that the Irish are short, wear a lot of green, and are prone to violence

And apparently not particularly good at football.
 
A Fark Handle
2011-11-09 12:31:43 PM
the_vegetarian_cannibal: ArkPanda: Good on the NCAA for finally getting rid of those offensive racist nicknames. By the way, would you like to buy some Seminoles merchandise?

The FSU nickname is officially endorsed and sanctioned by the actual Seminole Tribe of Florida. Apples and oranges, buddy.

iirc, one out of two of the sioux tribes the school approached approved of the continued use of the name and the logo (the other one didn't hold a vote). and let's be honest the seminoles would have be run out of florida if they hadn't "approved" of the use.

Farkn Yaj Yenrac: Yet the Fighting Irish with a drunken cartoon leprechaun is totally cool.

of course it is because the irish are a bunch of drunks that fight a lot.
 
birdboy2000
2011-11-09 12:33:37 PM
What are they changing it to?

/I hope it's not the Warriors. Too many schools change it to the warriors. It's a dumb, generic name.
 
AdmirableSnackbar
2011-11-09 12:36:24 PM
birdboy2000: What are they changing it to?

/I hope it's not the Warriors. Too many schools change it to the warriors. It's a dumb, generic name.

They could go with something original in college sports like Tigers or Wildcats.
 
Car_Ramrod
2011-11-09 12:38:08 PM
AdmirableSnackbar: birdboy2000: What are they changing it to?

/I hope it's not the Warriors. Too many schools change it to the warriors. It's a dumb, generic name.

They could go with something original in college sports like Tigers or Wildcats.

Ned: Who are we?
All: The Wildcats!
Ned: Who are we gonna beat?
All: The Wildcats!
 
colslax
2011-11-09 12:38:19 PM
hitmanric: If I remember correctly. One of the conditions Englestad wanted when he built the hockey arena was if the UND changed their nickname then they would no longer have use of the arena. Any UND students/alum verify this? Shame if it happens. Probably the most beautiful arena I've ever seen.

That's a myth, though it's going to cost a boatload to get all the logos out of there.

Link (new window)

I can imagine how annoying this must be for NoDak fans, best of luck on the transition.

Might I suggestion the Mighty Flickertails?
 
colslax
2011-11-09 12:39:44 PM
Might I suggestion the Mighty Flickertails?

FTFM
 
the_vegetarian_cannibal
2011-11-09 12:40:37 PM
birdboy2000: What are they changing it to?

/I hope it's not the Warriors. Too many schools change it to the warriors. It's a dumb, generic name.

I'm personally a fan of state schools naming themselves after the state nickname.

UND Roughriders or UND Flickertails would both be pretty badass possibilities.
 
daveb0rg
2011-11-09 12:41:05 PM
AdmirableSnackbar: birdboy2000: What are they changing it to?

/I hope it's not the Warriors. Too many schools change it to the warriors. It's a dumb, generic name.

They could go with something original in college sports like Tigers or Wildcats.

images.netmare.org


/would like a word.
 
Farkn Yaj Yenrac
2011-11-09 12:41:41 PM
A Fark Handle: of course it is because the irish are a bunch of drunks that fight a lot.

First of all I don't appreciate your not so subtle belittling of my people. It's Irish with a capital I, and if I were sober enough to drive I'd come over there and kick your ass.
 
ha-ha-guy
2011-11-09 12:43:13 PM
colslax: That's a myth, though it's going to cost a boatload to get all the logos out of there.

Well they're in luck:

The settlement agreement also allows the facility to retain imagery "embedded in architecture,"

It looks like the NCAA is going to let them just remove stuff as it wears out. Not mandate a total conversion.

/they should change it to the "Fightin' Whities" or the "Caspers"
 
Frank N Stein
2011-11-09 12:43:43 PM
I'm still pissed that they changed the Illini logo

www.brendanmckillip.com

Probably the second most bad ass Indian logo in all of sports, behind the Blackhawks logo
 
A Fark Handle
2011-11-09 12:43:49 PM
also, shouldn't the state have to change it's name from north dakota to north [something not native american]? why should the state allowed to use a tribal name?
 
the_vegetarian_cannibal
2011-11-09 12:45:38 PM
Farkn Yaj Yenrac: Yet the Fighting Irish with a drunken cartoon leprechaun is totally cool.

It's always seemed surreal to me that a college football stadium is the only context where you can publicly scream "Fark the Irish!!!" at the top of your lungs in a crowd of people and not be charged with a hate crime.

/hates Notre Damn
//doesn't say "Fark the Irish!!!"
 
Frank N Stein
2011-11-09 12:46:08 PM
A Fark Handle: also, shouldn't the state have to change it's name from north dakota to north [something not native american]? why should the state allowed to use a tribal name?

Maybe North Haverbrook?
 
Ty Webb
2011-11-09 12:48:21 PM
Can anyone explain to me why Oklahoma gets away with calling their team the Sooners? Weren't the Sooners the people that rushed across the border to take Oklahoma back from the Indians? And wasn't Oklahoma the land we promised would be theirs forever after we marched them down the Trail of Tears?

If I were of Indian decent, I bet I'd be pissed about it.
 
honk if you demand satisfaction [TotalFark]
2011-11-09 12:49:12 PM
Long story, but here goes:

I am kind of at fault for the whole controversy being brought back up in the mid-1990s. Apparently the nickname discussion was dormant for about 20 years until an "incident" at the UND Homecoming Parade in about 1992 or so. Before the parade started, a fraternity float passed by our high school marching band doing the "Tomahawk Chop", which was popular at the time. Since our band all knew how to play that song (super easy) my fellow trumpet player and I joined in the fun, and in a matter of moments our entire band was blaring it. We didn't realize that there was a Native American tribe float two spots ahead of us until their leader (Chief?) confronted our band director. Turns out the frat boys were mocking the tribe, but we had no idea. It became big news on the local talk radio the following week, and the controversy has been brewing ever since.

/Feel kinda bad
//But I love telling that story to my friends that are Sioux fans.
 
AdmirableSnackbar
2011-11-09 12:49:13 PM
Frank N Stein: A Fark Handle: also, shouldn't the state have to change it's name from north dakota to north [something not native american]? why should the state allowed to use a tribal name?

Maybe North Haverbrook?

That place just hasn't been the same since the monorail incident.
 
ChrisDe
2011-11-09 12:50:30 PM
the_vegetarian_cannibal:

It's always seemed surreal to me that a college football stadium is the only context where you can publicly scream "Fark the Irish!!!" at the top of your lungs in a crowd of people and not be charged with a hate crime.


Well, there's also Boston's North End.
 
someonelse
2011-11-09 12:51:14 PM
This news probably has Engelstad spinning in his bunker.
 
VictoryCabal [TotalFark]
2011-11-09 12:55:44 PM
the_vegetarian_cannibal: The FSU nickname is officially endorsed and sanctioned by the actual Seminole Tribe of Florida. Apples and oranges, buddy.

Central Michigan University has a same sort of deal with the Chippewa tribe here in Michigan.
 
lacrossestar83
2011-11-09 01:04:03 PM
ha-ha-guy: they should change it to the "Fightin' Whities"

You'll get a kick out of this (new window)

upload.wikimedia.org
 
WhiskeySticks
2011-11-09 01:04:35 PM
Change it to the UND Buffalo Farts of the UND Farting Buffalo.

The tomahawk chop is replaced by thousands of fans creating flatulent noises with their arm pits while wearing buffalo helmets.
 
Eddie_Dean_NY
2011-11-09 01:04:49 PM
Still totes cool though:

redskins4ever.com

/hot like their blood.
 
GQueue
2011-11-09 01:10:16 PM
VictoryCabal: Central Michigan University has a same sort of deal with the Chippewa tribe here in Michigan

You'd have thought Eastern Michigan would have been able to do so with the Hurons. There's so much Huron-named stuff in the area (including the Huron River running through Ypsi) that I wouldn't think it would have even been that big of an issue.
 
bigdanger [TotalFark]
2011-11-09 01:11:28 PM
Sioux No No -

As a UND alumni, I welcome the change...

Buck The Fison.
 
SpikeStrip [TotalFark]
2011-11-09 01:13:25 PM
hitmanric: Probably the most beautiful arena I've ever seen.


well, yeah. juxtaposed with grand forks, everything seems more attractive.
 
Fallout Zone
2011-11-09 01:13:37 PM
As an alum, I'll be sad to see the name go, but kind of glad that this crap is over with. The NCAA was not going to change their tune, and other schools were refusing to play UND if the kept the name.

/Roughriders makes too much sense for the new nickname
 
Fallout Zone
2011-11-09 01:15:26 PM
Badass, and designed by a Native American

www.grandforksherald.com
 
Buffalo77
2011-11-09 01:19:14 PM
Fighting Sue


Their mascot can be a lawyer
 
Swoop1809
2011-11-09 01:23:59 PM
I can understand making Miami University changing theirs from the Redskins, because that is a pretty obvious racist term, but having to change the name from a tribe that is so prominent in North Dakota history baffles my mind.

They could always change their name to an imaginary bird.

/Go Redhawks
 
skankboy
2011-11-09 01:26:16 PM
www.liquideggproduct.com
 
skankboy
2011-11-09 01:27:13 PM
Damn. Someone beat me to it.
 
ha-ha-guy
2011-11-09 01:28:34 PM
GQueue: VictoryCabal: Central Michigan University has a same sort of deal with the Chippewa tribe here in Michigan

You'd have thought Eastern Michigan would have been able to do so with the Hurons. There's so much Huron-named stuff in the area (including the Huron River running through Ypsi) that I wouldn't think it would have even been that big of an issue.

Eastern still sucks for failing to embrace the Emu as their new mascot.

One of these schools needs to double down and rename themselves to "The Easily Defeated Indigenous Peoples" or something of that nature. It's not a tribal name after all.
 
regindyn
2011-11-09 01:37:28 PM
bigdanger: Sioux No No -

As a UND alumni, I welcome the change...

Buck The Fison.

That's the undefeated, top-ranked in the FCS Fison to you!

/Nice weekend of hockey you had with the Gophers there
 
dangerdoug
2011-11-09 01:38:43 PM
Since it is an insult to Indians to have a team name called something refering to them, then I propose that the following college teams are put on notice to change their names immediately...

Alcorn State Braves
Alvernia Crusaders
Amherst Lord Jeffs
Appalachian State Mountaineers
Arcadia Knights
Arkansas-Little Rock Trojans
AUM Senators
Augustana (IL) Vikings
Augustana (SD) Vikings
Austin Peay Governors
Ave Maria University Gyrenes

This is just the A's...

I personally think this is ridiculous. It's not like they are making fun of any race/creed... they want to be like them! Indians are known to be brave ferocious and fight to the end. I know.. lets call ourselves a Boll Weevil. (Arkansas-Monticello Boll Weevils and Cotton Blossoms).

/Redskin High School Mascot
//Chief Illiniwek College Mascot
///Maybe a little bias
 
Bermuda59
2011-11-09 01:42:01 PM
How about the Penn Quakers? HA HA
 
IAmRight [TotalFark]
2011-11-09 02:17:57 PM
Can they be the fark Yous? Mascot of a huge middle finger?
 
tertletertle
2011-11-09 02:18:06 PM
So in the meantime while they decide on a new logo and mascot, UND will use their stolen interlocking ND logo. This one has always bothered me more than the Sioux logo...
Link (new window)

It's different! It overlaps differently!

s7d2.scene7.comwww.tennisoncampus.com
 
the_vegetarian_cannibal
2011-11-09 02:39:08 PM
tertletertle: So in the meantime while they decide on a new logo and mascot, UND will use their stolen interlocking ND logo. This one has always bothered me more than the Sioux logo...
Link (new window)

It's different! It overlaps differently!

[s7d2.scene7.com image 175x175][www.tennisoncampus.com image 432x375]

Because logos of different schools have never ever been similar.

encrypted-tbn0.google.comencrypted-tbn1.google.comencrypted-tbn3.google.com


encrypted-tbn0.google.comencrypted-tbn0.google.com
 
Ponzholio [TotalFark]
2011-11-09 02:49:22 PM
I dunno, I image the Indians will give the name back to UND pretty soon.

I heard people scalping tickets to their basketball games are a problem though.
 
Frank N Stein
2011-11-09 02:58:01 PM
Ponzholio: I dunno, I image the Indians will give the name back to UND pretty soon.

I heard people scalping tickets to their basketball games are a problem though.

It's just crazy that the NCAA is squawndering their resources on this. They have a small poxet to begin with.
 
admiral_neckbeard
2011-11-09 03:02:12 PM
Sue is a girl's name anyways.
 
Funzo
2011-11-09 03:03:36 PM
I imagine Sioux Falls will need to change its name to Sioux Stands Proudly now?
 
UNC_Samurai
2011-11-09 03:25:33 PM
I'm glad the NCAA has solved all their problems and can focus on this.

Seriously, Congress should have passed a law prohibiting them from going after "offensive" nicknames and logos until there was a football playoff in place.
 
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