Kraushaar initially demanded thousands of dollars in payment, a reinstatement of leave she used after the accident earlier in 2002, promotion on the federal pay scale and a one-year fellowship to Harvard's Kennedy School of Government

What? And no personal parking space?

This proves that Herman Cain is Jesus Christ.

Lurking Fear: I notice none of his accusers are hard on the eyes.

Well, he's a better judge of sweet ass than Clinton, if anything.

Nor does it help you headline writing abilities.

don'd be mad:)

Hey, guess what?

If she was accuser #1, credibility hit

Once you get to accuser #4, not so much.

If you want your headline whoring to look reputable, make sure we don'd find out that you have a history of not being able to spell or type. Really, it doesn't help you case.... ah, who the fark am I kidding?

He didn't molest her! Cain Wins! Step Down Obama, you LOSE! Your Racism won't win TODAY! wont win NEVER! Cain leads America to the Promised Land, and shall set Our People Free. The Emporer is Dead!

I'll hold out deciding if this woman's accusation is worth considering once her personal finances are made clear. I just can't bring myself to hear the whining of the poors.

Remember everyone you can only be a victim of the same crime once in your life.

She shouldn't have cried wolf. Now Cain is free to give her the old big sausage pizza and no one will ever believe her.
Cainer!

every male is a sexual harasser; kudos to her for having the courage to come forward and battle the forces of patriarchal oppression.

the 'buck" stops here, on many levels

It's funny too because in this case Karen Kraushaar was undone by government inefficiency.

The INS doesn't have the same budget restraints of a private organization, and as such they tend to choose to follow through on all harassment complaints.

She was expecting a quick settlement from the Government the same as she received from the NRA and learned the hard way that the government doesn't do anything quickly.

WaltzingMathilda: make me some tea: I look forward to the day when we can go back to talking about how awful Cain's policy ideas are instead of all this nonsense.

vetting a candidate is nonsense? especially if it relates to a series of possible harassment cases and maybe even assault?

look, none of it may be true. but vetting candidates is not nonsense.

Just ask Joe Paterno.

Subby;
I have this brilliant idea. Let's compile a list of women who've been raped and then go out and rape them. The police won't believe them; it's the perfect crime! Everyone knows rape never strikes the same place twice.

Philip Francis Queeg: Remember everyone you can only be a victim of the same crime once in your life.

Exactly. By accusing Cain, she's violating double jeopardy.

RolandGunner: It's funny too

Yes, being told you can't work from home for a time after a serious car accident is HILARIOUS. What a freeloader. And a whore.

How man and women are like computers
Men think that computers should be referred to as female, just like ships, because:

1. No one but their creator understands their internal logic.
2. The language in which they communicate among themselves is incomprehensible to everyone else.
3. The message "Bad command or File Name" is about as informative as "if you don't know why I'm mad at you, I'm certainly not going to tell you !"
4. Your smallest mistakes are stored in long term memory for later retrieval.
5. As soon as you make a commitment to one, you spend half your paycheck on accessories for it.
6. Miss a period and they go wild.
7. You do the same thing for years, and suddenly it's wrong.

Women think computers are male because:

1. They have lots of data, but are still clueless.
2. They are supposed to solve problems, but half the time they ARE the problem.
3. As soon as you commit to one, you realize that if you had only waited a bit longer, you could have had a better model.
4. To get their attention, you have to "turn them on".
5. A big "power-surge" will knock them out for the rest of the night !
6. It is always necessary to have a backup.
7. They'll do whatever you say if you push the right buttons.
8. Size does matter.

Right because one squeaky wheel makes the other 3 unreliable?

I understand the hesitancy, but I have a feeling that the number is going to grow.

And can someone let the Cain campaign know they shouldnt be blaming a witch hunt on their candidate's past indiscretions, or accusing someone of being the son of the accuser working at Politico.

/campaigning 101

Oh, this is the teabagger with the big shot republican husband. Also, she didn't come forward, Ol Rupert got a call from Ailes and had her outed.

Have fun.

sprawl15: Yes, being told you can't work from home for a time after a serious car accident is HILARIOUS. What a freeloader. And a whore.

Yep! And then getting pissed at your boss and filing a harassment claim because it worked well at your last job... only to get cock blocked by Federal HR's due diligence. Priceless.

And then to claim you don't even remember the 2002 claim while expecting to be taken seriously on the 1999 claim.

Oh stop, my sides are aching with all this laughter.

shower_in_my_socks: Subtard needs to learn what "harassment" is because none of these other cases had anything to do with being harassed.

FTA: "Three former supervisors familiar with Kraushaar's complaint, which did not include a claim of sexual harassment"

There were two complaints: One was about not getting fair treatment after she was in a car accident.

The other case had to do with an offensive email that compared men and women to computers.

She says they were both pretty minor. And neither of them had anything to do with sexual harassment from a boss, so nice try Subby! I'm sure the check from the Koch Bros will still clear, though.



So has Kraushaar actually said what she accused Cain of doing in 1999?

RolandGunner: only to get cock blocked by Federal HR's due diligence.

So in your fantasy land a person voluntarily dropping a claim is the same thing as the HR department denying it? Do you also think the car accident was a liberal plant by Soros tainted media in a conspiracy to prevent the REAL black guy from getting elected?

All snark aside, please see your doctor and have him check for brain tumors. Delusional behavior and imaginary surroundings are one of the signs of something serious.

Not that I'm interested in defending Cain, but corporations frequently settle lawsuits, whether they're culpable or not, just because it's cheaper than going to court. Just because he paid her off doesn't mean he did anything wrong.

/doesn't mean he didn't either.

And that's it. That's all they needed.

Cain wins the Republican nomination. Watch and see.

Cain is clearly out of his mind, anyway. It's all beside the point because Cain was never going to get elected.

The working from home thing is irrelevant.

The complaint about the email goes to what constitutes a hostile workplace. "Well, you didn't complain about the email! How was I supposed to know you didn't want me to wave my penis in your face?"

As far as I'm concerned, she was just clarifying what she considered sexual harassment.
"Why didn't you complain about this? Why didn't you complain about that? Why are you just complaining now?"

Both of these women are brave to come forward.

"Democrat Machine" at work:

habitual_masticator: Not that I'm interested in defending Cain, but corporations frequently settle lawsuits, whether they're culpable or not, just because it's cheaper than going to court. Just because he paid her off doesn't mean he did anything wrong.

Everyone knows that. The debate is not about if the accusations are true or not, but rather if the accusations are even worth considering or not. People like RolandGunner want to not even consider the accusations because the woman is too poor to have a voice, or because she had unrelated complaints about an employer years later. They want these people to shut up and disappear before any actual information is released.

This woman (and the other three) could easily be full of shiat. But she could just as easily be telling the truth.

Philip Francis Queeg: Remember everyone you can only be a victim of the same crime once in your life.

Even if the perpetrator stops for lunch?

Honestly, what are the odds of a pretty young blonde woman being sexually harassed *twice*?? Inconceivable! Unpossible!

Seriously, its not that a second claim looks bad but it doesn't help, you do start to get a whiff of... ambulance chasing is the closest thing I can think of. Human judgement is fickle, the same "where there is smoke, there is fire" perceptions that started off against Cain are now going to work against his accuser.

Right now any thinking person is in a holding pattern. More information and evidence is going to come out over the next several days and weeks, I've no doubt we'll be able to make a concrete call as to Cain's alleged personality faults then, right now we're in just the first few seconds of the match with opponents circling each other getting their measure. Someone will end up KO'd.

RolandGunner: filing a harassment claim

Cite it.

CPennypacker: Hey, guess what?

If she was accuser #1, credibility hit

Once you get to accuser #4, not so much.

She was; this is one of the first women who settled who we finally have the name of. I think we need all the details of all these cases before we can determine what is legitimate and what is not. If we do get confirmation that she did indeed request for a payoff (she's saying that she does not remember requesting anything beyond the ability to work from home like many of her coworkers) then we can treat her statements as suspicious, but as of right now the scenarios are too far apart to really feel like a pattern of behavior.

Meanwhile we have a link I submitted going green in a couple hours where the Cain camp has falsely accused her of having family ties to Politico to suggest the media made this all up, and conservatives have been pushing that the "I have a job for you" woman has a relationship with Obama campaign manager David Axelrod when the Axelrod she knows is unrelated. (new window)

make me some tea: I look forward to the day when we can go back to talking about how awful Cain's policy ideas are instead of all this nonsense.

Someone else suggested that Cain is actually behind this story, because it gives him a chance to look like the victim, and it distracts from discussions about how horrible his ideas are. I'm not that paranoid . . . yet.