Not to worry: Republican voodoo protects the environment.

Oh no! They're all going to fart at once. It's the dreaded Chinese Dutch Oven!!!

Taking a page from the playbook of the master I see:

Omnivorous: Not to worry: Republican voodoo protects the environment.

The republicans created the carbon market?

I am so glad Clinton gave China our technology and trade status to ensure they are of consequence now. It was so worth that campaign money.

Sweet jesus. How did the carbon markets ever get so out-of-whack, and how did we let China into this position?

Yes. It's better to do nothing, cut environmental regulations, and still lose industry to over-seas markets. Because fark it, that's why.

I suspect/hope they're bluffing. The Chinese aren't crazy, like the North Koreans. Given the damage desertification has already done to China's environment, they'd die themselves before they had the satisfaction of watching the rest of the world croak.

Kraln: Sweet jesus. How did the carbon markets ever get so out-of-whack, and how did we let China into this position?

Because we can't judge other cultures and political systems.

We literally used to tell governments like China's to go fark themselves.

Let me get this straight. The EU decided that they weren't going to give companies credits for destroying this particularly dangerous greenhouse gas, so China said 'Fark it! We'll stop destroying it altogether.' I mean, isn't that the whole idea about carbon trading? Isn't the concept to put a price on every greenhouse gas so that companies are financially incentived to destroy them (or make less)?

You can't have it both ways. You either financially incent companies to behave well, or you legislate them to. You can't legislate companies in another country if their government isn't agreeable, so the financial incentive is the only option left. This is what carbon trading is all about.

Sounds like the EU having a big cry because China is more competitive. Pay up or shut up.

Mrbogey: Omnivorous: Not to worry: Republican voodoo protects the environment.

The republicans created the carbon market?

Nah, they invented ridiculing anything that looks remotely like environmentalism because Al Gore. Do you own a Prius? LOL Al Gore's house wastes more energy than you're saving! Do you have solar panels? LOL Al Gore's house wastes more energy than you're saving guess you're still drowning polar bears LOL!

They never stop to consider that maybe someone might buy a Prius because of the MPG rating, but fark thinking because Al Gore.

/can you horsewhip someone with bootstraps?

Goddess of Atheism: I suspect/hope they're bluffing. The Chinese aren't crazy, like the North Koreans. Given the damage desertification has already done to China's environment, they'd die themselves before they had the satisfaction of watching the rest of the world croak.

Actually, after reading your comment. I hope they are that crazy.

Nemo's Brother: I am so glad Clinton gave China our technology and trade status to ensure they are of consequence now. It was so worth that campaign money.

Ah. That would explain why Republicans blocked offshore tax breaks and are pushing to do away with the tariffs that make it cheaper for companies like Toyota and Honda to build here rather than overseas. Because Bill Clinton.

Nemo's Brother: I am so glad Clinton gave China our technology and trade status to ensure they are of consequence now. It was so worth that campaign money.

Clinton gave them technology that creates HFC-23?

Wolfling: Let me get this straight. The EU decided that they weren't going to give companies credits for destroying this particularly dangerous greenhouse gas, so China said 'Fark it! We'll stop destroying it altogether.' I mean, isn't that the whole idea about carbon trading? Isn't the concept to put a price on every greenhouse gas so that companies are financially incentived to destroy them (or make less)?

You can't have it both ways. You either financially incent companies to behave well, or you legislate them to. You can't legislate companies in another country if their government isn't agreeable, so the financial incentive is the only option left. This is what carbon trading is all about.

Sounds like the EU having a big cry because China is more competitive. Pay up or shut up.

Nope, you are completely wrong. They ramped up production of one refrigerant to game the system and make money by destroying the byproduct. This is a huge waste of chemistry and energy and depresses the world market for the refrigerant. The rest of the world said they are tired of china's bullshiat and wants to remove the perverse incentive that facilitates this behavior. China then said "I will shiat in the pool if you don't keep paying me". This was a loophole that needs closing.

In my previous comment, I meant to say "why Republicans blocked efforts to end offshore tax breaks."

I am assuming they will be asking for a hundred million dollars or something as well.

Wolfling: Let me get this straight. The EU decided that they weren't going to give companies credits for destroying this particularly dangerous greenhouse gas, so China said 'Fark it! We'll stop destroying it altogether.' I mean, isn't that the whole idea about carbon trading? Isn't the concept to put a price on every greenhouse gas so that companies are financially incentived to destroy them (or make less)?

You can't have it both ways. You either financially incent companies to behave well, or you legislate them to. You can't legislate companies in another country if their government isn't agreeable, so the financial incentive is the only option left. This is what carbon trading is all about.

Sounds like the EU having a big cry because China is more competitive. Pay up or shut up.

From the article, China's factories were intentionally overproducing the gas just so that they could then treat it and get paid for doing so. Perverse incentive, like India's rat catchers. The EU is not paying because the program wasn't doing what it was supposed to do: cut down on the production of this gas. And it seem's China's response is not just "Ok, we'll stop treating the gas" but rather "Ok, we'll stop treating the gas and produce way more of it for no reason but to spite you."

Two wongs don't make a wight.

//that's wascist

ok - so the Chinese are holding the world hostage with gas

Israel and/or Iraq have a good chance of blowing the Middle East to Hell
(and we might decide to join the party because - hey, it's Israel)

The Oakland Police are trying to kill protesters

.... goddamn. I'd hoped to live to be old.

Gyrfalcon: How's that work? All 1.6 billion of them are going to fart in unison?

[considers]

HOLY CRAP, PAY WHAT THEY WANT!!

Now imagine 1.6 billion people who have just had kung pao chicken...

/Yeah, it's really Americanized food.
//It's not like they have enough food to feed anyone anyways.

Gyrfalcon: How's that work? All 1.6 billion of them are going to fart in unison?

[considers]

HOLY CRAP, PAY WHAT THEY WANT!!

Maybe if we ask politely they'll point their asses skyward and move us a tad farther away from the sun, kill two birds with one fart.

learn to speak mandarin, people. that's where this is going. and you thought it was the mexicans, haha! once china has all the money, it will be communism for everyone!

/not sure if serious
//yes, i just NSIS'd myself. because i dont know what the fark is going on around here anymore.

No money, no work. How are they supposed to pay the bills for getting rid of that gas without funding? Magic?

Maybe it's after midnight and they're all out of goats, so you're gonna have to come up with a plan that makes sense.

theMightyRegeya: Mrbogey: Omnivorous: Not to worry: Republican voodoo protects the environment.

The republicans created the carbon market?

Nah, they invented ridiculing anything that looks remotely like environmentalism because Al Gore. Do you own a Prius? LOL Al Gore's house wastes more energy than you're saving! Do you have solar panels? LOL Al Gore's house wastes more energy than you're saving guess you're still drowning polar bears LOL!

They never stop to consider that maybe someone might buy a Prius because of the MPG rating, but fark thinking because Al Gore.

/can you horsewhip someone with bootstraps?

My neighbor was looking to buy a Prius for the gas mileage. Then I pointed out to him a 35 mpg Hyundai that was larger than a 42 mpg Prius, and was less than half the cost. He went with the Hyundai. Anyone who buys a Prius for the mileage is a moron.

It would be funny if it turned out then that the gas could be destroyed by firebombing.

China is only "competitive because it does not pay the "External Costs" paid by its first world competitors. Sure you can undercut if you do not pay a living wage or environmental costs. It always works this way. A newly developing nation undercuts its more developed neighbors until it too is overtaken as its economy matures. First it was Britain and Germany, then the U.S., then Japan, then South Korea and now China and India. Tomorrow Africa.

I'm curious, why the lack of economic knowledge on this forum? I thought Fark was supposed to be the "thinking man's Reddit".

WHELP, if they want to release this poison into the skies above their very own country so that their populations are on the front lines of being poisoned, let them.

Its either that or pay their blackmail. And it never ends with the first payment.

fusillade762: Gyrfalcon: How's that work? All 1.6 billion of them are going to fart in unison?

[considers]

HOLY CRAP, PAY WHAT THEY WANT!!

Maybe if we ask politely they'll point their asses skyward and move us a tad farther away from the sun, kill two birds with one fart.

It'd kill all the birds in one fart.

Seems like a lot of the previous commentors could not be bothered to read the article so here are some excerpts. I realize it's a whole lot of words and all but a little knowledge is useful at times.
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HFC-23 can be destroyed for just 0.20 cents per CO2e tonne. The destruction of one CO2e tonne generates one Certified Emission Reduction (CER) under the CDM, which historically has been sold on carbon markets at an average price of $18 -- 70 times the actual cost of destroying HFC-23.

Because of these vast profits, China has repeatedly rejected attempts to destroy HFC-23 emissions through the Montreal Protocol.

With a 65 per cent tax on CDM projects, the Chinese Government has already received $1.3 billion -- enough to destroy all the HFC-23 it produces for decades to come. Despite this, China still vents at least as much HFC-23 as it destroys, since about half of its HCFC-22 production is ineligible for CDM funding.

Carbon offsets derived from HFC-23 crediting only serve to subsidize the production of greenhouse gases and have no place in the future of carbon markets," said Mark Roberts, International Policy Advisor for EIA. "If China is genuinely concerned about climate change rather than profiting from a fatally flawed system, it will stop blocking efforts to control HFC-23 emissions and stop threatening to hold global climate hostage to its unrealistic demands."

I release more than that after sauerkraut , steak wrapped in bacon and 20 beers later.

I was under the impression we already owe China all our money....

On another note, I have heard that a Prius is useless anyway... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JdOH7GrE6Q&feature=youtube_gdata_playe r

Goodfella: WHELP, if they want to release this poison into the skies above their very own country so that their populations are on the front lines of being poisoned, let them.

Its either that or pay their blackmail. And it never ends with the first payment.

I understand it's going to hurt everyone across the world, but it will hurt them most, and I'm perfectly ok with that.

Chinese people are some of the nicest people I have met. China as a country can go fark itself and die for all I care, it's a bane on the planet.

Have we had enough of China's BS yet? Because in spite of what people might have told you we can put a stop to their crap at any point in time.

No I'm not talking about war, or even violence, just a few trade tricks and they'll be BEGGING to do whatever the hell we want. Yes, this will drive up some costs around the world but in the long run it will be better.

Sooo...that whole 2012 prediction is looking a little bit more plausible now.

Think I'll just go to the store and start stocking up on some canned goods now.

Oh who am I kidding? I'll just wait for the looting to begin. A penny saved is a penny earned.

i'm more concerned about them peeing in my (diet)coke.

/since i drink that shiat by the boatload, it is to say, not at all.

fusillade762: Oh no! They're all going to fart at once. It's the dreaded Chinese Dutch Oven!!!

Well, not as eloquent as I would've attempted, but it works nicely.

\QFT

hey, i just thought of something...hcfc22 and hfc23 is heavier than air. if they release all that crap into the atmosphere, they'll likely kill a lot of people.

*re-read TFA for like the 4th time*

well, i guess if they're already venting, and no one's been killed, i dont know...please revert to my Boobies

/10 print "whatever";
//20 goto 10

EducatedBum: Oh who am I kidding? I'll just wait for the looting to begin. A penny saved is a penny earned

Yeah but if you go now you won't have to fight off Zombies for your cans of Spam.

High Expectations Asian Father disapproves.

Don't worry, everyone. They are asking for a crimate lansom. That's just gibberish. Nothing to worry about.

China is great at gaming the system.

For instance, they are building giant, unoccupied cities, because building counts as GDP growth. We're talking 20 new cities being built every year. What a booming economy they have! Except it's total bullshiat.

Ffffrrrrrrppppp...



/ So this is what happens when the oil hits the Chinese anus.
// light a match, somebody