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(HotHardware) Asinine Two thirds of college grads consider Facebook access at work more important than salary. Fifty percent of grads wouldn't take a job that restricts social media   (hothardware.com) divider line 497
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2011-11-08 08:43:27 PM
Good. Job security for me.
 
2011-11-08 08:50:44 PM
It's Boomers fault.
 
2011-11-08 09:11:56 PM
Entitled little shiats. I guess they should just give up now and join OWeS. Add "Must provide facebook access 24x7 so that I can have my narcissistic personality disorder catered to by folks who only click hoping I will click back" to that ridiculous lists they keep passing around.

farking idiots.
 
2011-11-08 09:32:35 PM
Yeah, because there's no other way to access Facebook during the day other than an employer's internet access.
 
2011-11-08 09:56:40 PM
Boy, are they going to be disappointed.
 
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2011-11-08 10:23:52 PM
Not surprising. 2/3rds of college grads are unemployable.
 
2011-11-08 11:56:13 PM
As long as Fark is still OK....
 
2011-11-09 12:33:26 AM
Steve Zodiac: Good. Job security for me.

lol, no kidding. More jobs for me, I guess.
 
2011-11-09 12:43:50 AM
If it's "device freedom," heck yeah. I'm quite happy my employer lets me pick out my own computer (within reason - there's a budget).

Internet isn't restricted either. What can I say, the public sector is sweet.
 
2011-11-09 02:32:42 AM
So that's why there are so many people at the OWS protests.
 
2011-11-09 03:12:18 AM
They are the 99%
 
2011-11-09 03:14:18 AM
*facepalm*
 
2011-11-09 03:15:02 AM
techliberation.com

/hot
 
2011-11-09 03:15:49 AM
I'd never take a job someplace that restricted Internet access except as required for security/regulatory compliance. That's a "beatings until morale improves" sort of policy that comes from management that can't figure out how to measure productivity or to fire people that misuse company resources -- not someplace I want to work.
 
2011-11-09 03:19:07 AM
Oh, look, darling - how adorable! The children have opinions!
 
2011-11-09 03:19:32 AM
Thank you Mrs. Useless Article that talked about the results of a study but didn't quote actual questions nor answers to the study.

But I read it on the Internet so it must be true.
 
2011-11-09 03:19:42 AM
In the early 90's companies in Greece were begging for people like me to come work for them because they couldn't find any Greeks willing to work. Have you checked out Greece recently?
 
2011-11-09 03:21:37 AM
Then they actually try to join the workforce and find out that you get what you get. As if a college grad can be that picky or something.

/DNRTFA
 
2011-11-09 03:21:51 AM
While it's great if they do, employers shouldn't be obligated to motivate/pay for your social life. If you want to use social media devices, use your own. Tweet from your phone; use work devices for work.

/posted from my work computer
 
2011-11-09 03:22:02 AM
profplump: I'd never take a job someplace that restricted Internet access except as required for security/regulatory compliance. That's a "beatings until morale improves" sort of policy that comes from management that can't figure out how to measure productivity or to fire people that misuse company resources -- not someplace I want to work.

This. It's not about the one issue, restricted internet is a good sign of a shiatty company to work for.
 
2011-11-09 03:23:50 AM
...they would accept less money for a job that was down with social media at work on a device of their choosing if it also included telework.

Not as dumb as headline makes it sound. Smaller salary, but save on gas, car costs, business attire & associated cleanings, etc. I suppose if the latter all make up for the former it's reasonable.

That said, still pretty stupid.
 
2011-11-09 03:25:01 AM
My work place is a no cell phone zone. No exceptions.

I work on a drilling rig in Alberta and it's a matter of safety. Still doesn't stop those little bastards from using them. I have destroyed 3 iPhones in the last year when I caught the guys texting in a hazardous area.

The level of arrogance is just astounding. I'm 34 and I'm the youngest guy out at work because the new hires are either fired or quit because their ego's just won't let them work.

$100,000 a year jobs are being walked away from or lost because of stupid cell phones and the attitude of the people with them.

Am I the only one encountering this or is it across the employment landscape?
 
2011-11-09 03:25:30 AM
Lars The Canadian Viking: profplump: I'd never take a job someplace that restricted Internet access except as required for security/regulatory compliance. That's a "beatings until morale improves" sort of policy that comes from management that can't figure out how to measure productivity or to fire people that misuse company resources -- not someplace I want to work.

This. It's not about the one issue, restricted internet is a good sign of a shiatty company to work for.


I've worked for a couple of very good companies that filtered the hell out of their internet. Also, filtering certain sites (especially several of the social media variety,) helps cut down on malware.
 
2011-11-09 03:26:09 AM
So if we cut wifi access to the "Occupy" crowd...
 
2011-11-09 03:26:15 AM
Is Facebook all that different that shooting the shiat by the watercooler or running a March Madness bracket at work? Drew has called out those annual stories about "Lost workplace productivity" as bullshiat, since everyone goofs off at work to some degree.

To me a company doing a full ban would be a concern. It'd give me a sign that they aren't embracing new technology like they ought to be and will be the sort to demand greater loyalty to the company than to home life. A well thought out policy on social media would be a stronger sign that they respect employees enough to reach a reasonable balance.

But then again, I work in a creative job. Don't know how things are in the accounting pool.
 
2011-11-09 03:26:55 AM
OMG, these kids are totally stupid and I can't believe they little losers want to access their Facebook and Twitter and stuff at work. Talking to their friends and stupid crap like that, what rubbish.

Now, not being able to access Fark at work to comment on how the red haired chick from Mad Men is a land whale and Kiera Knightly looks like a little boy's skeleton...that would be a terrible injustice.
 
2011-11-09 03:27:34 AM
I had a boss once who shut off facebook access. He then at a meeting said "ok, so a lot of you people a biatching about the fact that facebook has been cut off." He then put up a PP slide with a series of numbers on it, and asked:

"Do you know what those numbers are? Those are the unemployment rates for this city, county, state, and country. You don´t like that there is no facebook here? go become one of these numbers"
 
2011-11-09 03:28:57 AM
Teknowaffle: I had a boss once who shut off facebook access. He then at a meeting said "ok, so a lot of you people a biatching about the fact that facebook has been cut off." He then put up a PP slide with a series of numbers on it, and asked:

"Do you know what those numbers are? Those are the unemployment rates for this city, county, state, and country. You don´t like that there is no facebook here? go become one of these numbers"


He sounds like a dick.
 
2011-11-09 03:29:52 AM
Teknowaffle: I had a boss once who shut off facebook access. He then at a meeting said "ok, so a lot of you people a biatching about the fact that facebook has been cut off." He then put up a PP slide with a series of numbers on it, and asked:

"Do you know what those numbers are? Those are the unemployment rates for this city, county, state, and country. You don´t like that there is no facebook here? go become one of these numbers"


How long did he spend making/researching that slide?
 
2011-11-09 03:33:54 AM
What on Earth do people need access to Facebook for at work? ....unless it pertains to the job in some way (ie: new media marketing or business), there is no reason for anyone to visit their Facebook page that's not a complete and total waste of company time.

Your friends' status updates about what they ate for breakfast can wait. There is a public computer in the office breakroom that you are free to use during your lunch break. If you're on the clock, STFU and GBTW.
 
2011-11-09 03:35:50 AM
Subby.

LEARN TO READ
One in three college grads said that access to social media sites like Facebook and the ability to choose their own devices was more important to them than salary

FIRST farkING LINE

And I can justify this pretty easily. Would you rather get paid more and have strict hours (8am, no later, 12-1230 lunch) or get paid less and be able to come in at 830 without being fired?
 
2011-11-09 03:35:55 AM
"The world revolves around me, and you have to give me what I want, no other way!"

I really want to be part of the 1% so that I won't have to work anymore :P
 
2011-11-09 03:36:04 AM
Its about a paradigm shift in the work day. Work, work, work 8+ just isn't feasible for most white collar jobs. Let's just all be honest about it. There is not enough work to do and having to make work for yourself is, well, dumb. That's your employer's responsibility. If there isn't enough work to be done, they should adjust your hours or not complain if you're spending hours doing nothing.

A worker is far more productive and happier (which leads to being more productive) if they are allowed to take breaks between tasks or before starting and after ending a particularly grueling one. Some people take smoking breaks, some chat at the water cooler, some go to the office gym, and some just want to fark around on their facebook for a few minutes.

An employer who is a whip cracker and roams the aisles looking for slackers is a dinosaur and not worth the time to put the company on your resume. Inanely strict internet rules are a symptom. The younger generations learned in their collective childhood that killing yourself and sacrificing your happiness for the company is not the way to go because the company will never repay that kind of loyalty.

TL;DR: It is just better for employers to have a happier and more productive work force by letting them screw around a few minutes than to dominate them and constantly lose time & money in turn over.
 
2011-11-09 03:36:45 AM
Ed Willy: Teknowaffle: I had a boss once who shut off facebook access. He then at a meeting said "ok, so a lot of you people a biatching about the fact that facebook has been cut off." He then put up a PP slide with a series of numbers on it, and asked:

"Do you know what those numbers are? Those are the unemployment rates for this city, county, state, and country. You don´t like that there is no facebook here? go become one of these numbers"

How long did he spend making/researching that slide?


Not as long as if he'd taken several facebook breaks.
 
2011-11-09 03:36:51 AM
I'd be happy with a job that nets me enough to pay my student loans and meet my living expenses.They could ban me from facebook for all I care.
 
2011-11-09 03:39:27 AM
AverageAmericanGuy: Teknowaffle: I had a boss once who shut off facebook access. He then at a meeting said "ok, so a lot of you people a biatching about the fact that facebook has been cut off." He then put up a PP slide with a series of numbers on it, and asked:

"Do you know what those numbers are? Those are the unemployment rates for this city, county, state, and country. You don´t like that there is no facebook here? go become one of these numbers"

He sounds like a dick.


He is. But I think he is right. Before that I would walk by our call center and see the CSRs on the phone with customers and surfing facebook at the same time, so our customers weren´t getting the best service if Cindy was sitting there likking her bffs post, and have to say to the customer "can you repeat that"

Like a poster said above me, most companies do need to embrace social media as a tool. The company I am referring to did, and the facebook page has taken off, but we had a small group of us who would determine what content was apropriate, most likely to be shared, and then, post it. But embracing social media doesn't mean you let your employees dick off on there all day.
 
2011-11-09 03:39:56 AM
You've gotta be farking kidding me! Good. Don't take the job, you stupid little coont.

/angry today
 
2011-11-09 03:40:03 AM
Restricted internet access is a warning sign, Time Tracking Productivity Management Monitoring is the equivalent of the day-glo Mr. Yuck Face. As someone above pointed out, it says less about the workers and more about the the multiple levels of flailing incompetent middle management spending excess of the entire work force annual salary on consultants and seminars.
 
2011-11-09 03:40:27 AM
angstycoder: I've worked for a couple of very good companies that filtered the hell out of their internet. Also, filtering certain sites (especially several of the social media variety,) helps cut down on malware.

Scanning for malware helps cut down on malware much better than banning social media sites. Removing electric and gas service from your house would cut down on your risk of dying in fire, but most people would agree you're better off just buying a smoke detector.
 
2011-11-09 03:42:10 AM
Also all the idiots roflbotting about job security for them are in for a rude surprise when inevitably one of these little jackasses who can lie just as well as they did on the job interview gets their job at half the pay.
 
2011-11-09 03:44:24 AM
Teknowaffle: He is. But I think he is right. Before that I would walk by our call center and see the CSRs on the phone with customers and surfing facebook at the same time, so our customers weren´t getting the best service if Cindy was sitting there likking her bffs post, and have to say to the customer "can you repeat that"

Couldn't you deal with that problem by encouraging Cindy to do her job instead of slacking off, and firing her if she can't handle the responsibility that her position requires?

There are a few safety-oriented jobs where distractions are absolutely not allowable, and every reasonable effort to remove them must be made. Call-center rep is not one of those jobs.
 
2011-11-09 03:45:16 AM
Hey_shut_up: My work place is a no cell phone zone. No exceptions.

I work on a drilling rig in Alberta and it's a matter of safety.


What's the safety issue?
 
2011-11-09 03:48:32 AM
ArcadianRefugee: Hey_shut_up: My work place is a no cell phone zone. No exceptions.

I work on a drilling rig in Alberta and it's a matter of safety.

What's the safety issue?


==================================

DEATH!!!
 
2011-11-09 03:49:01 AM
I'm actually kinda OK with restricting things like facebook, ebay, and youtube at work. I work at a hospital that is part of a multi-state hospital system and they cut off access to those things here years ago. Know why? Just before the ban over 1/3 of our bandwidth was being used for youtube. 1/3. That's a lot of bandwidth.

Are people going to goof off at work? Sure, to a certain extent. But you don't have to encourage it. It's like passing out crayons to a bunch of little kids in school and telling them not to use them.

If you are willing to walk away from a good paying job just because you aren't allowed to goof off on facebook during your shift then have fun living at your parents house. And don't whine about not being able to pay for your student loans.
 
2011-11-09 03:49:21 AM
pruofplump:
Couldn't you deal with that problem by encouraging Cindy to do her job instead of slacking off, and firing her if she can't handle the responsibility that her position requires?


We could just fire them, but the amount of technical training on our products that they had to go through was intensive, so unfortunately we had to hold on to them, as a high turn over rate would cost us in time (my time in training them on our products was obviously the most valuable).

One thing I learned from looking at internet usage logs from before the sonicwall hammer, was that the skankier the girl, the more time she spent on facebook.
 
2011-11-09 03:49:36 AM
profplump: angstycoder: I've worked for a couple of very good companies that filtered the hell out of their internet. Also, filtering certain sites (especially several of the social media variety,) helps cut down on malware.

Scanning for malware helps cut down on malware much better than banning social media sites. Removing electric and gas service from your house would cut down on your risk of dying in fire, but most people would agree you're better off just buying a smoke detector.


Not living in a building is also a good way to avoid your home burning down as well, but that's quite different from this. At an enterprise level with > 12k desktops/laptops afield across 38 US states, this becomes a lot more difficult to reliably accomplish. Not all sites had on-site IT, and remote management tools are far from perfect, unfortunately.
 
2011-11-09 03:51:02 AM
booksmrt: While it's great if they do, employers shouldn't be obligated to motivate/pay for your social life. If you want to use social media devices, use your own. Tweet from your phone; use work devices for work.

/posted from my work computer


When I first graduated, it was 6 months until I got my first job. I was paid $10/hr and I absolutely refused to waste time. I had to note every fifteen minute period for billing clients, and I did so fastidiously. I took a fifteen minute lunch where I ate a sandwich and got a coke. I was principled.

I won't go into it, but my employer wasn't as principled. Sales slowed and I started to get irritated when work would come in and sail past my desk. If I wasn't working, what was I doing there? When I left, that discipline started over, and I felt pretty good about my new employer, but after a few jobs for a few ignorant assholes and a hundred stupid arguments, you just don't give a shiat.

Whether you're goldbricking or giving it your all - if no one notices either, who really cares?
 
2011-11-09 03:53:23 AM
epijunkie67: I'm actually kinda OK with restricting things like facebook, ebay, and youtube at work. I work at a hospital that is part of a multi-state hospital system and they cut off access to those things here years ago. Know why? Just before the ban over 1/3 of our bandwidth was being used for youtube. 1/3. That's a lot of bandwidth.

That's another argument for. I know when we had it cut off (along with most streaming media,) a lot of bandwidth was freed up. Several years thence and working for a different company, I can't recall exact numbers and I don't want to guess. On the other hand, it was a pain in the ass for people trying to take/teach courses or show things to doctors/nurses/patients so there is that problem.
 
2011-11-09 03:53:45 AM
ArcadianRefugee: What's the safety issue?

You know how I know you have never been on a rig?
 
2011-11-09 03:53:48 AM
Hey_shut_up: My work place is a no cell phone zone. No exceptions.

I work on a drilling rig in Alberta and it's a matter of safety. Still doesn't stop those little bastards from using them. I have destroyed 3 iPhones in the last year when I caught the guys texting in a hazardous area.

The level of arrogance is just astounding. I'm 34 and I'm the youngest guy out at work because the new hires are either fired or quit because their ego's just won't let them work.

$100,000 a year jobs are being walked away from or lost because of stupid cell phones and the attitude of the people with them.

Am I the only one encountering this or is it across the employment landscape?


I promis not to bring a cell phone within 100 miles of the rig if you can get me a 100 000 dollar a year job on a rig. ;-)
 
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