At this point, if the voter in Ohio is dumb enough to fall for a robo-call like that, can you even call him/her a citizen? Isn't there a certain level of stupid where it stops being an issue of disenfranchisement and becomes one of taunting the 'tards?

Short of shooting voters execution-style as they wait in line at the polls, there is no saving the GOP's pet projects here in Ohio.

Grossly incompetent staffer. Non-story.

"As soon as we realized the problem we stopped those calls and we started calling those people back who received a call to inform them that today is Election Day," said Fraher.

Hmm. I wonder if anyone actually believes that.

ignatiusst: At this point, if the voter in Ohio is dumb enough to fall for a robo-call like that, can you even call him/her a citizen? Isn't there a certain level of stupid where it stops being an issue of disenfranchisement and becomes one of taunting the 'tards?

Basically. I don't think these tactics have much effect. Who the hell has a land line? Answer: the same demographic that mailed their freaking ballot in two weeks ago. If you live in a city or a small town, there's no escaping that it is election day. It's all over the news, in the papers, and people farking looooove wearing those "I Voted Today!" stickers so it would be pretty hard to miss.

"As soon as we realized the problem we stopped those calls and we started calling those people back who received a call to inform them that today is Election Day," said Fraher.

I can buy that. That sounds reasonable.

GAT_00: "As soon as we realized the problem we stopped those calls and we started calling those people back who received a call to inform them that today is Election Day," said Fraher.

Hmm. I wonder if anyone actually believes that.

Are you saying that I've been hoodwinked?

Why doesn't anyone get in trouble for these? I'm not talking about a 'stern talking to', but jail time. This is supposed to be the basis of our country- and these people are trying to stop that.

In before someone posts anti-American drivel blaming the victim of voter frau-...

ignatiusst: At this point, if the voter in Ohio is dumb enough to fall for a robo-call like that, can you even call him/her a citizen? Isn't there a certain level of stupid where it stops being an issue of disenfranchisement and becomes one of taunting the 'tards?

God dammit all.

ignatiusst: At this point, if the voter in Ohio is dumb enough to fall for a robo-call like that, can you even call him/her a citizen? Isn't there a certain level of stupid where it stops being an issue of disenfranchisement and becomes one of taunting the 'tards?

So, what, you're saying tricks to stop people from voting is permissible because the people who fall victim to the trick are too dumb to be allowed to vote?

Didn't the Koch brothers pull this exact same stunt in Wisconsin?

RexTalionis: ignatiusst: At this point, if the voter in Ohio is dumb enough to fall for a robo-call like that, can you even call him/her a citizen? Isn't there a certain level of stupid where it stops being an issue of disenfranchisement and becomes one of taunting the 'tards?

So, what, you're saying tricks to stop people from voting is permissible because the people who fall victim to the trick are too dumb to be allowed to vote?

No, I am just wondering out-loud if this is the best use of liberal pout-rage.. there is a finite supply of that, it isn't like oil...

gilgigamesh: In before someone posts anti-American drivel blaming the victim of voter frau-...

ignatiusst: At this point, if the voter in Ohio is dumb enough to fall for a robo-call like that, can you even call him/her a citizen? Isn't there a certain level of stupid where it stops being an issue of disenfranchisement and becomes one of taunting the 'tards?

God dammit all.

Sorry, but have you seen the crap over in TFD today? I am staying out of there until it settles down, and politics is my favoritest of tabs

That is, um, illegal.

Something similar happened in Maryland, where the Republican sponsored robocalls telling people to stay home and not vote. It ended up in court.

ignatiusst: No, I am just wondering out-loud if this is the best use of liberal pout-rage.. there is a finite supply of that, it isn't like oil...

I don't know. If a group is trying to suppress the vote by means of playing a trick on people (who might be dim or gullible, but that's not a criteria for disenfranchisement), isn't that a good reason for legitimate outrage rather than "liberal pout-rage"?

farking subhuman filth republicans. they are doing EVERYTHING in their power to see that people don't vote. farking criminals.

vernonFL: That is, um, illegal.

Something similar happened in Maryland, where the Republican sponsored robocalls telling people to stay home and not vote. It ended up in court.

in baltimore, they posted signs in black neighborhoods saying you can't vote if your rent isn't paid or if you have a criminal record. this is the kind of human garbage that runs the republican party.

Turned_into_a_newt: It wouldn't be election day without the GOP doing this... It is their favorite "mistake" and they pull it every single year.

Russell Pearce is pulling something like this as well.

Sin_City_Superhero: Are you saying that I've been hoodwinked?

If you actually believe that this was an honest mistake, that a conservative group that is going to badly lose a vote didn't intentionally send out robocalls with the wrong date, then I have a bridge to sell you.

I guarantee you, they wouldn't have stopped them if they didn't luck out by calling an SEIU member who got media on it quick.

Nadie_AZ: I'm not talking about a 'stern talking to', but jail timea short-drop hanging.

Fix'd. The intentional subversion of our electoral system should constitute treason.

"sick", sbuuy?

More like "par for the course". Of course, there's no tag for that. Obvious would have worked, though.

I wish they'd invalidate the votes from each precinct that were in favor of their candidate/ballot measure/Proposition/Amendment/what have you. Fines aren't going to get their attention. It's unlikely anyone will ever go to jail (I don't think you can incarcerate a committee--though I've been to meetings that would negate that theory). Knowing the votes won't count in any precinct where shenanigans have taken place would send a much stronger message that this is unacceptable.

All I know if that if the voters didn't want to be duped they shouldn't have dressed so provocatively.

bighasbeen: All I know if that if the voters didn't want to be duped they shouldn't have dressed so provocatively.

Nice.

thismomentinblackhistory: Basically. I don't think these tactics have much effect. Who the hell has a land line? Answer: the same demographic that mailed their freaking ballot in two weeks ago. If you live in a city or a small town, there's no escaping that it is election day. It's all over the news, in the papers, and people farking looooove wearing those "I Voted Today!" stickers so it would be pretty hard to miss.

/raises hand

I have a landline. Of course, Oregon uses vote by mail exclusively and doesn't have an election this month, so it's irrelevant to this conversation aside from anecdotal evidence, but you can't just assume landline = old or foolish.

My spouse does work online that requires a wired connection for HIPAA etc; at our house, our broadband options are limited to cell, satellite or DSL. Combine the DSL with her working from home, and a single land line makes more sense than two cells.

The nimrods who pulled that same stunt in Maryland (Paul E. Schurick & Julius Henson) will soon be convicted felons.

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/have been known to post, "Because of the expected high turnout, Republicans will vote today. Democrats will vote tomorrow" on election day as a facebook status update. My friends on the left didn't find it nearly as funny as I did/do.

wont_eat_bugs: I wish they'd invalidate the votes from each precinct that were in favor of their candidate/ballot measure/Proposition/Amendment/what have you. Fines aren't going to get their attention. It's unlikely anyone will ever go to jail (I don't think you can incarcerate a committee--though I've been to meetings that would negate that theory). Knowing the votes won't count in any precinct where shenanigans have taken place would send a much stronger message that this is unacceptable.

Are you a kindergarten teacher? Since when did punishing everyone for the actions of assholes/morons become acceptable in real life?

ArkAngel: wont_eat_bugs: I wish they'd invalidate the votes from each precinct that were in favor of their candidate/ballot measure/Proposition/Amendment/what have you. Fines aren't going to get their attention. It's unlikely anyone will ever go to jail (I don't think you can incarcerate a committee--though I've been to meetings that would negate that theory). Knowing the votes won't count in any precinct where shenanigans have taken place would send a much stronger message that this is unacceptable.

Are you a kindergarten teacher? Since when did punishing everyone for the actions of assholes/morons become acceptable in real life?

No, but thanks for the suggestion. I will admit it feels like a kindergarten around here sometimes.

Perhaps punishing everyone for the actions of a few is necessary to overcome the 'win at all costs' mentality that has overtaken (American) politics. If you knew you would lose if you broke the rules, would you still break them? The cost of breaking the rules has to be higher than what one is willing to pay and in a system where money can buy any outcome, it has to be taken out of the equation which means that fines are not an acceptable method of punishing wrongdoers. A committee can't be jailed, so what are you left with? A broken system with few means of fixing it.

EnviroDude: My friends on the left didn't find it nearly as funny as I did/do.

You have friends?

I guess the does need all kinds of people.

ArkAngel: wont_eat_bugs: I wish they'd invalidate the votes from each precinct that were in favor of their candidate/ballot measure/Proposition/Amendment/what have you. Fines aren't going to get their attention. It's unlikely anyone will ever go to jail (I don't think you can incarcerate a committee--though I've been to meetings that would negate that theory). Knowing the votes won't count in any precinct where shenanigans have taken place would send a much stronger message that this is unacceptable.

Are you a kindergarten teacher? Since when did punishing everyone for the actions of assholes/morons become acceptable in real life?

So a candidate shouldn't be removed from office and "punish everyone" if he shows someone his Wiener? Or "forgot" to pay taxes on his rental property?

the world.

FTFM

2wolves: I guess the does need all kinds of people.

does? like a female deer?

ArkAngel: Since when did punishing everyone for the actions of assholes/morons become acceptable in real life?

I didn't vote for Dubya, but I was certainly punished with 8 years of him due to the actions of the assholes/morons who voted for him.

vygramul: ArkAngel: wont_eat_bugs: I wish they'd invalidate the votes from each precinct that were in favor of their candidate/ballot measure/Proposition/Amendment/what have you. Fines aren't going to get their attention. It's unlikely anyone will ever go to jail (I don't think you can incarcerate a committee--though I've been to meetings that would negate that theory). Knowing the votes won't count in any precinct where shenanigans have taken place would send a much stronger message that this is unacceptable.

Are you a kindergarten teacher? Since when did punishing everyone for the actions of assholes/morons become acceptable in real life?

So a candidate shouldn't be removed from office and "punish everyone" if he shows someone his Wiener? Or "forgot" to pay taxes on his rental property?

I'm not sure Wiener displays are a violation of election laws, but if someone is not a resident of the district he or she is supposed to be representing, then I have no problem taking all the votes away from that candidate. They're not eligible. Period.

wont_eat_bugs: vygramul: ArkAngel: wont_eat_bugs: I wish they'd invalidate the votes from each precinct that were in favor of their candidate/ballot measure/Proposition/Amendment/what have you. Fines aren't going to get their attention. It's unlikely anyone will ever go to jail (I don't think you can incarcerate a committee--though I've been to meetings that would negate that theory). Knowing the votes won't count in any precinct where shenanigans have taken place would send a much stronger message that this is unacceptable.

Are you a kindergarten teacher? Since when did punishing everyone for the actions of assholes/morons become acceptable in real life?

So a candidate shouldn't be removed from office and "punish everyone" if he shows someone his Wiener? Or "forgot" to pay taxes on his rental property?

I'm not sure Wiener displays are a violation of election laws, but if someone is not a resident of the district he or she is supposed to be representing, then I have no problem taking all the votes away from that candidate. They're not eligible. Period.

That is what it would take. This kind of shenanigans takes place in minority precincts where Republicans would have NO PROBLEM trading 200 votes to remove 2000 Democratic ones.

Felony. Non-story.

EnviroDude: My friends on the left didn't find it nearly as funny as I did/do.

that's probably because you're a sociopath.

I hope there's an investigation. Hard to say from this one case whether this was an honest mistake and the union guy happened to be on the call list, or a malicious mistake that targeted union supporters.

wingedkat: I hope there's an investigation. Hard to say from this one case whether this was an honest mistake and the union guy happened to be on the call list, or a malicious mistake that targeted union supporters.

I'd throw them all in jail, then see what sort of stories they start telling

So is this our liveblog-the-results thread?

EnviroDude: 2wolves: I guess the does need all kinds of people.

does? like a female deer?

Slow and dim. How I identify slugs.

RexTalionis: ignatiusst: At this point, if the voter in Ohio is dumb enough to fall for a robo-call like that, can you even call him/her a citizen? Isn't there a certain level of stupid where it stops being an issue of disenfranchisement and becomes one of taunting the 'tards?

So, what, you're saying tricks to stop people from voting is permissible because the people who fall victim to the trick are too dumb to be allowed to vote?

This asswipe is trying to become a professional troll. He can be safely ignored as too stupid to live.