i wish it had some analysis of why.....

tlchwi02: i wish it had some analysis of why.....

...because.


/Any Questions?
//If not, I'd like to break for some Free Lunch.

Archies? I never would have guessed.

I know many employed and successful MLS grads. However, they were mostly middle aged women already employed in a library system looking to get a better position in their organization.

Got a kick out of hearing the pitch from a Library School about the 'graying' of the profession and that soon there would be tons of positions opening up.

U.S. History. Crap.

/History major
//not U.S. History
///Planning on law school for extra unemployability

Lots of psychology majors. Maybe someone should study them to find out why they pick such useless degrees.

History and Geology undergrad, Distance Education and Military History grad.

Working in educational IT.

/Not US history
//Arab-Israeli Wars of the 20th century

Architecture makes sense at the moment

I have a BA in History, I also make 6 figures of course I am in Sales.

Also known as, the "11 most likely majors among OWS protesters"

As someone with a BS in CompSci (not unemployed, but making less than any of you coastal/city-dwellers would even believe), any of the IT degrees other than CS or CoE come with a certain level of suspicion. As in, if you were capable of getting a conventional 4-year CS degree, you wouldn't have a degree in 'information systems'.

Of course, my state just hired a director of statewide IT (new window) with under 2 years of technology experience and his only degree from a known "mail a check, get a diploma" mill. So, degrees aren't everything.

I have a psych degree. I made $155K last year and will make $145K this year (albeit not in psychology).

I'm bummed that I am not employable.

I'm majoring in Computer Forensics. Is that under Computer security? If so, then dammit.

Darklemming: Also known as, the "11 most likely majors among OWS protesters"

Hebalo: Not surprisingly, these are mostly fields that increase the quality of life for others, but don't make companies big bucks.

Nothing against Engineers and Lawyers, but no poets, historians and architects makes for a shiatty society.

Most architects aren't making grand buildings and museums, but instead shiatty mcmansions of questionable quality

Googling "Computer Administration Management and Security" yields basically zero results. I suspect it means managing system accounts which we have at least a dozen people doing right now. And once our last set of automation projects is completed - most of them are toast.

zez: Lots of psychology majors. Maybe someone should study them to find out why they pick such useless degrees.

I don't know that I believe the stats for Clinical Psychologists. Thats a PhD, and they can always teach. My college needs another full-time psych teacher to take a bunch of Developmental Psych sections (because no one else wants to teach it). Of course, anyone at the master's or higher psych level can teach too.

The I/O Psych stat is interesting too. That's generally master's level. Probably due to companies cutting back on the type of consultation that I/O Psych people do. Plenty of people going back to school that need instruction.

Basically, if you have something above a bachelor's in psych, I don't believe there's no job out there for you. It might pay $30k and require a swallowing of pride, but they're out there.

Example: ex has a master's in Counseling. Works for Sprint billing. Lots of psych majors there, apparantly. Hey, it's a job.

CZMisfitsFan: I'm majoring in Computer Forensics. Is that under Computer security? If so, then dammit.

No - it doesn't. Information Security has basically 0% unemployment if you can spell Information Security.

PressPlayOnTape: I have a psych degree. I made $155K last year and will make $145K this year (albeit not in psychology).
I'm bummed that I am not employable.

No offense, but you do realize that's the most important part of what you wrote right?

Cubansaltyballs: CZMisfitsFan: I'm majoring in Computer Forensics. Is that under Computer security? If so, then dammit.

Might as well go to ITT and major in awesome because that degree likely won't do jack sh*t for you.

Plenty of law enforcement agencies in major cities would be happy to have a new recruit that's a Comp Forensics grad.

There's jobs out there for that major in the public sector. Dunno how private security is doing these days.

/looked into Computer Forensics not too long ago

Cubansaltyballs: CZMisfitsFan: I'm majoring in Computer Forensics. Is that under Computer security? If so, then dammit.

Might as well go to ITT and major in awesome because that degree likely won't do jack sh*t for you.
I already did major in awesome. It didn't work out so well hence the majoring in computer forensics now.

Given how much of a need there is for counselors, psychology majors shouldn't have to worry about work. Alas plenty of Americans think there are no negative consequences ever to just sucking it up and burying emotions.

The Dreaded Rear Admiral: Cubansaltyballs: CZMisfitsFan: I'm majoring in Computer Forensics. Is that under Computer security? If so, then dammit.

Might as well go to ITT and major in awesome because that degree likely won't do jack sh*t for you.

Plenty of law enforcement agencies in major cities would be happy to have a new recruit that's a Comp Forensics grad.

There's jobs out there for that major in the public sector. Dunno how private security is doing these days.

/looked into Computer Forensics not too long ago

Yeah, but a CompSci major will run circles around you given the work at hand. "The difference between an average practitioner and an excellent practitioner is an order of magnitude, not double".

Can you guess the quote without the googles? If not, you were not well educated in the field. Because of that, average at best.

Dextro: PressPlayOnTape: I have a psych degree. I made $155K last year and will make $145K this year (albeit not in psychology).
I'm bummed that I am not employable.

No offense, but you do realize that's the most important part of what you wrote right?

No necessarily, assuming he got his present position (or gets clients) in part or in whole due to his psych degree.

rohar: The Dreaded Rear Admiral: Cubansaltyballs: CZMisfitsFan: I'm majoring in Computer Forensics. Is that under Computer security? If so, then dammit.

Might as well go to ITT and major in awesome because that degree likely won't do jack sh*t for you.

Plenty of law enforcement agencies in major cities would be happy to have a new recruit that's a Comp Forensics grad.

There's jobs out there for that major in the public sector. Dunno how private security is doing these days.

/looked into Computer Forensics not too long ago

Yeah, but a CompSci major will run circles around you given the work at hand. "The difference between an average practitioner and an excellent practitioner is an order of magnitude, not double".

Can you guess the quote without the googles? If not, you were not well educated in the field. Because of that, average at best.

I'm not a CompForensics major so I don't have a dog in the fight. I just said that there are jobs for them. Example: I was on a kick for a while where I wanted to go into the NYPD. Their TARU unit was looking for a few good CompForensics grads at the time.

Not saying that CompSci majors don't have more options. But it's more general. If you're specifically looking for a job in law enforcement, you could do worse than CompForensics.

As for your quote, I admit that I don't know the source, although I have heard variations before. I suppose that makes me average. Google doesn't help. Sounds like something an economist would say.

architecture has been hit really really hard, and graduates have never been very highly paid for the first 5-10 years of their career anyways.

Someone on a summer internship in engineering will make more money than an architecture graduate, at least where I live.

Add nursing to that in a few years. Talk about career bubbles!

But IT has been under attack for the last few years. The hours suck, the work is hard, and you really don't have a life. As for library science, it's because most austerity programs today are feasting on libraries.

The only thing this article is saying is 'we need more jobs to take advantage of our highly educated workforce' rather than 'your degree is unimportant.' Then again, the media is trending towards a stupider workforce while pushing the idea that college should be all about training for corporations instead of expanding knowledge.

An undergrad in psych is worthless on it's own. It's a stepping stone to either another degree or a masters. If you consider it in that regard, it's actually a pretty useful degree to have. I'd say it's generally a good idea to have a basic understanding of clinical science as well as basic human psychology and physiology of the brain. If nothing else, it's interesting.

/But damn near worthless on it's own.
//My GF has a pysch degree.
///She's getting ready to start a masters program in Human/Computer Interaction.

Ridiculous. My Sociology degree is FAR more unemployable than ANY of these.

Hebalo: Not surprisingly, these are mostly fields that increase the quality of life for others, but don't make companies big bucks.

Nothing against Engineers and Lawyers, but no poets, historians and architects makes for a shiatty society.

Yeah, that makes for a great life, lots of poets and historians. Call me when your Robert Frost gets 3G. Tech, industry and business makes society, poets give a very small segment of society something to talk about.
/No offense against ALL poets.
//Just most.

Psych major here. Always been employed, not in psychology, obviously. It's a good intro to the scientific method/scientific reasoning without having to dissect frogs or mix smelly chemicals or memorize physics equations (though I did all three for no apparent reason). I'm surprised at the I/O Psychology stat because a lot of companies are embracing this whole Six Sigma crapola (yeah, it's crap. I said it.) and the "efficiency experts" who use the Six Sigma tools are engineers or I/O people.

Cool story, bro?

Barakku: Hebalo: Not surprisingly, these are mostly fields that increase the quality of life for others, but don't make companies big bucks.

Nothing against Engineers and Lawyers, but no poets, historians and architects makes for a shiatty society.

Yeah, that makes for a great life, lots of poets and historians. Call me when your Robert Frost gets 3G. Tech, industry and business makes society, poets give a very small segment of society something to talk about.
/No offense against ALL poets.
//Just most.

Yeah, cuz people never need any outlets to express themselves or anything. Poetry, writing, painting, acting, music, cross-stitch, jewelry making, historical reenactments... all totally worthless. Yep. Enjoy your hardened arteries and inflexible neurons.

Also, think about the creativity that goes on in advertising, product packaging, retail space design, that kind of thing.

praymantis 2011-11-08 06:02:44 PM
"I have a BA in History, I also make 6 figures of course I am in Sales."

Pray tell, wtf do you sell?

/ hookers
// blow

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"I have a psych degree. I made $155K last year and will make $145K this year (albeit not in psychology).

I'm bummed that I am not employable."

Pray tell, wtf do you do?