Except for those times when they play Dallas after a bye week. Then they look unstoppable.

11. The Bears are better when Martz calls less Martz-type stuff.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Except for those times when they play Dallas after a bye week. Then they look unstoppable.

You're kind of a thunder-stealer, you know that?

PunchDrunkPanda: Lt. Cheese Weasel: Except for those times when they play Dallas after a bye week. Then they look unstoppable.

You're kind of a thunder-stealer, you know that?

Heh, anyone else posts this ^ and I'm meh, but since it's you? I'm going YESSSSS!!!

my thoughts:

1) A balanced offense helps your QB look better, and doesn't get him killed... and it makes your OLine look much better
2) When the Bears D is on, they are awesome (but this might be the last dance due to age)
3) When Peppers went out I thought the season was over
4) When Hester got hurt I thought the season was over
5) If Forte gets hurt the season is over

A six-point loss to a good team classifies them as "horrible" now?

I've watched a good bit of horrible football in my day, as the Carolina Panthers are on every Sunday around here come hell or high water, and the Eagles are frustrating but not horrible. The fact that they are actually have so much good football in their tank (see the Dallas mowing-over) creates that much more frustration!

Horrible, though? No way. I've followed the Bills most of my life, too. I know horrible.

The Eagles did not look horrible. They look horrible in comparison to what everyone thought they would be.

The Bears are a decent team. They're just in a really tough division.

And every game Mike Martz and his offense makes me want to scream. Sometimes the plays he calls, it's like WTF were you thinking? And the relaying from Martz to the sideline and then the sideline to Cutler. Holy shiat, get the farking call in already. I mean, I think Cutler is a douche but man, if one of these days after asking to get the play in he just said f it and called it himself, I'd probably sing his praises. I've never seen a more frustrating system of getting a play call in, or a slower one.

I'll just re-post this from the other thread...

Mike Tice has done such a solid job with the offensive line, I believe he deserves a promotion to OC.

Fark Martz.

Eagles fan my whole life. But they aren't a good team playindg badly. They are a bad team. Soft, soft, soft.

Mr_Fabulous: I'll just re-post this from the other thread...

Mike Tice has done such a solid job with the offensive line, I believe he deserves a promotion to OC.

Fark Martz.

Nah, make him defensive coordinator. That's working out so well for the Eagles.

GacysBasement: Mr_Fabulous: I'll just re-post this from the other thread...

Mike Tice has done such a solid job with the offensive line, I believe he deserves a promotion to OC.

Fark Martz.

Nah, make him defensive coordinator. That's working out so well for the Eagles.

Ha! That's exactly what Admirable Snackbar said in the other thread. You guys related?

GacysBasement: Soft, soft, soft.

absolutely, their D backs are afraid to hit.

i was very surprised by that.

halfof33: absolutely, their D backs are afraid to hit.

Did you see that Rodgers-Cromartie play where Bennett caught the ball, Rodgers-Cromartie had the back of his jersey and just let go and watched him run a few yards more down the field and the safety made the tackle. It was ridiculous.

Mr_Fabulous: GacysBasement: Mr_Fabulous: I'll just re-post this from the other thread...

Mike Tice has done such a solid job with the offensive line, I believe he deserves a promotion to OC.

Fark Martz.

Nah, make him defensive coordinator. That's working out so well for the Eagles.

Ha! That's exactly what Admirable Snackbar said in the other thread. You guys related?

I have killed for lesss than that insult!

The play of the game was the strip on special teams deep in the Eagles zone setting up a score.

Nothing beats watching the Bears beat up on the Eagles.

/still bitter about the 2001 playoffs

halfof33: GacysBasement: Soft, soft, soft.

absolutely, their D backs are afraid to hit.

i was very surprised by that.

I don't know if they're afraid to hit or just horrible tacklers. Possibly both. Saw DRC give up on a couple plays after failing to bat the pass away when it was still a live ball.

IAmRight: lennavan: Did you see that Rodgers-Cromartie play where Bennett caught the ball, Rodgers-Cromartie had the back of his jersey and just let go and watched him run a few yards more down the field and the safety made the tackle. It was ridiculous.

Dude, he's a Cromartie.

Go look up some of Cromartie's greatest hits from when he was with the Chargers, either not even chasing a guy with the ball or actively running in the opposite direction.

I have no idea why the Eagles signed that dude. It's just pure recycling of a subpar veteran. Go get a young DB and if he's subpar at least you didn't have to par him as much to fark up coverage schemes.

GacysBasement: Mr_Fabulous: GacysBasement: Mr_Fabulous: I'll just re-post this from the other thread...

Mike Tice has done such a solid job with the offensive line, I believe he deserves a promotion to OC.

Fark Martz.

Nah, make him defensive coordinator. That's working out so well for the Eagles.

Ha! That's exactly what Admirable Snackbar said in the other thread. You guys related?

I have killed for lesss than that insult!

Insult? I'm not the one cheering on Michael Vick.

The O-line has improved for the Bears, but Jay is looking exceptionally good lately. I think it has a lot to do with him taking charge of his game, and telling Martz to shove it every now and then.


//Now if only they could teach Hester, Williams, and Knox how to catch...

lennavan: Did you see that Rodgers-Cromartie play where Bennett caught the ball, Rodgers-Cromartie had the back of his jersey and just let go and watched him run a few yards more down the field and the safety made the tackle. It was ridiculous.

That was exactly the play i was thinking of.

I suspect the sports radio shows in Philly are going crazy right now about that soft play.

The Bears only losses have been to Green Bay (8-0,) New Orleans (6-3,) and at the stars were aligned at just the right time but now in decline Detroit (6-2.)

They're a better team than most folks give them credit for with one of the toughest schedules in the league.

Is Philly good?

Sure, but not as good as the Bears.

halfof33: lennavan: Did you see that Rodgers-Cromartie play where Bennett caught the ball, Rodgers-Cromartie had the back of his jersey and just let go and watched him run a few yards more down the field and the safety made the tackle. It was ridiculous.

That was exactly the play i was thinking of.

I suspect the sports radio shows in Philly are going crazy right now about that soft play.

Plus the 3rd-and-16 conversion later, when (I think it was) Bennett caught the pass just beyond Asomugha and underneath DRC, and DRC made one of the worst tackle attempts ever to allow Bennett to pick up the first down.

The Eagles have too may soft players like that. DRC, Asante Samuel, any of their safeties not named Coleman, not to mention DeSean Jackson. I kind of wish I was still in the WIP/Fanatic listening area to hear the gnashing of teeth right now.

AdmirableSnackbar: The Eagles have too may soft players like that. DRC, Asante Samuel, any of their safeties not named Coleman, not to mention DeSean Jackson. I kind of wish I was still in the WIP/Fanatic listening area to hear the gnashing of teeth right now.

You guys already made one pretty big (in terms of the salaries involved, not necessarily in production of the players) trade w/ Arizona.

Depending on how bad it gets in Arizona, I would think Adrian Wilson might be available via trade. Soft is not a word I would use to describe him, although he's making a lot of dough for a guy on the wrong side of 30.

I just don't like Michael Vick.

Oh_Enough_Already: The Bears only losses have been to Green Bay (8-0,) New Orleans (6-3,) and at the stars were aligned at just the right time but now in decline Detroit (6-2.)

They're a better team than most folks give them credit for with one of the toughest schedules in the league.

Is Philly good?

Sure, but not as good as the Bears.

The Bears have only beaten one team that currently has a winning record. So, they're better than mediocre but not on the same level as the Lions, Pack, 49ers, or Saints. Probably good enough to make the playoffs, but if they do it'll be as the last wildcard.

Jubeebee: My thoughts:


Worst game of the year for Forte, and he still picks up 150 from scrimmage.

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I'll just assume you were on vacation for week 3

Kid Lester: I'm in Wilmington. I listen to it everyday. Especially now that they have 610 and 94.1 WYSP (now 94 WIP). Plus the Fanatic on am and fm.

Be careful, prolonged exposure can cause brain damage.

Jubeebee: My thoughts:

Bears D can still get it done. So far, the larval safeties have not been a liability. Probably because the D line has 6 or 7 legitimate starters.

Worst game of the year for Forte, and he still picks up 150 from scrimmage.

The O-line is getting better every week, and that's making Cutler dangerous even when his receivers drop every other pass he throws.

Earl Bennett is the best WR on the Bears roster, and it isn't even close. Dropsy McStonehands let yet another TD pass fall incomplete on a beautiful pass, Hester can't run routes for crap, Knox is too small, and Sanzenbacher has the same skillset as Bennett, except is worse.

Pretty much this.

And while I've been pleased to see some decent results out of former Cowboys Barber and Hurd, Williams just continues to suck. Glad Bennett is back in the fold to give Cutler someone competent to throw to.

I was impressed by Cutler's game last night, including the two broken plays he turned into gains. The one where he flipped the ball over to Forte (IIRC) was good, but the play where he fell and got back up and completed the pass was nothing short of amazing*!

/*Might be routine for other QB's, but I've been watching Bears QB's for the past 30 years

Jubeebee: My thoughts:

Bears D can still get it done. So far, the larval safeties have not been a liability. Probably because the D line has 6 or 7 legitimate starters.

Worst game of the year for Forte, and he still picks up 150 from scrimmage.

The O-line is getting better every week, and that's making Cutler dangerous even when his receivers drop every other pass he throws.

Earl Bennett is the best WR on the Bears roster, and it isn't even close. Dropsy McStonehands let yet another TD pass fall incomplete on a beautiful pass, Hester can't run routes for crap, Knox is too small, and Sanzenbacher has the same skillset as Bennett, except is worse.

If I was Jay Cutler I would be keying up Williams' car in the parking lot after games. Those drops have to be infuriating

Oh_Enough_Already: The Bears only losses have been to Green Bay (8-0,) New Orleans (6-3,) and at the stars were aligned at just the right time but now in decline Detroit (6-2.)

They're a better team than most folks give them credit for with one of the toughest schedules in the league.

Wait, the Lions are declining after close losses to the 49ers (7-1) and the Falcons (5-3), but the Bears are better than people give them credit for because of losses to good teams?

I'm going to assume that if the Lions beat the Bears this weekend, it will only be because of the bye week (plus short week for the Bears). That's how this works, right? The Lions certainly can't be any good.

Lando Lincoln: That's the kind of underestimating I like to hear

Was amusing that Ditka was the only guy on ESPN to pick the Bears

Jubeebee: FraggleStickCar: If I was Jay Cutler I would be keying up Williams' car in the parking lot after games. Those drops have to be infuriating

Agreed. He's dropped at least 2, maybe 3 gimme TDs, and probably would have had a couple 100 yard games if everything didn't go through his fingertips.

Hester has also regressed since last year, but the mind boggles as to why Williams is starting over Knox.

Williams used to be in the same division as the Bears. Their scouts saw him in person 2x a year. Plus however often they scouted the Lions. Yet they still let him on their roster. That boogles my mind.

lennavan: The Eagles did not look horrible. They look horrible in comparison to what everyone thought they would be.

The Bears are a decent team. They're just in a really tough division.

And every game Mike Martz and his offense makes me want to scream. Sometimes the plays he calls, it's like WTF were you thinking? And the relaying from Martz to the sideline and then the sideline to Cutler. Holy shiat, get the farking call in already. I mean, I think Cutler is a douche but man, if one of these days after asking to get the play in he just said f it and called it himself, I'd probably sing his praises. I've never seen a more frustrating system of getting a play call in, or a slower one.

The play calling mess is killing their momentum. And of all the things to stop the offense from moving, this is the stupidest, most easily fixed problem a team could have. It's rather nice to see a QB making quick decisions on the fly, as Martz's called plays fall apart. Cutler is a better than decent QB, I never felt bad for the trade Chicago made to get him. Sadly, the O-line problems haven't really been addressed, the defense is getting long in the tooth and the receiving corp has catching issues. So, with bated breath I wait. The problems with Lance Briggs' unhappiness haven't just disappeared. The Bears added Forte to the list and he's on Briggs' side of purely crappy treatment.

Doogled: Oh_Enough_Already: The Bears only losses have been to Green Bay (8-0,) New Orleans (6-3,) and at the stars were aligned at just the right time but now in decline Detroit (6-2.)

They're a better team than most folks give them credit for with one of the toughest schedules in the league.

Wait, the Lions are declining after close losses to the 49ers (7-1) and the Falcons (5-3), but the Bears are better than people give them credit for because of losses to good teams?

I'm going to assume that if the Lions beat the Bears this weekend, it will only be because of the bye week (plus short week for the Bears). That's how this works, right? The Lions certainly can't be any good.

All three of the Bears losses came during the usual "Happy Passy Kill-My-QB OutsMartz" phase that seems to happen at the start of every season until the media/Bears management/Lovie Smith take Martz into shower and club him with a tire iron a few times to make him realize that he should set up a game plan based on the real players he needs to work with, and not on his fantasy football roster.

I expect a much closer game this weekend than the earlier game. This could be the Lions only really interesting (from a standings point of view) game played in potentially bad weather all season (and the forecasts are showing halfway decent weather anyway)...the final game at Green Bay on Jan 1st could just be a throwaway "let's rest the starters" game for either one or both teams. Not to take anything away from the Lions, but for a team built for a dome (which, in theory at least, would lead to issues in playing against bad weather teams), they have a nice schedule forward-looking, weather-wise. Playing the AFC West division does that, I suppose.

snowshovel: I expect a much closer game this weekend than the earlier game. This could be the Lions only really interesting (from a standings point of view) game played in potentially bad weather all season (and the forecasts are showing halfway decent weather anyway)...the final game at Green Bay on Jan 1st could just be a throwaway "let's rest the starters" game for either one or both teams. Not to take anything away from the Lions, but for a team built for a dome (which, in theory at least, would lead to issues in playing against bad weather teams), they have a nice schedule forward-looking, weather-wise. Playing the AFC West division does that, I suppose

I will be curious to see how the Lions do on the unique "grass" surface of Soldier Field. Regardless, the Bears sure as hell aren't going to have 9 false starts this time around.

The Eagles have the weapons on offense to be good, but their offensive line just completely sucks. They can't pass block at all and as bad as they are at pass blocking they are just as bad at run blocking. During that game the Bears would only rush 4 linemen and they were going right past the o line. When they blitzed they were basically running free at Vick. And on running plays as soon as they handed the ball off there were 4 Bears standing unblocked in front of the running back and the o line were all laying on the ground.

And lets not start talking about that Charmin soft defense of the Eagles.

Jubeebee: ha-ha-guy: Williams used to be in the same division as the Bears. Their scouts saw him in person 2x a year. Plus however often they scouted the Lions. Yet they still let him on their roster. That boogles my mind.

He was a Martz pickup, plain and simple. Williams' one good season was with Martz, five years ago, so Martz thinks he can be that good all of the time. It's just like why even after nearly getting Cutler killed last year, Martz opened this year with the same sort of pass-happy playcalling.

Part of Martz's brain thinks that it's his offensive system, not Kurt Warner and Orlando Pace, that created the Greatest Show On Turf, and so he still makes decisions like it's 1999.

Oh yes. Martz, one of the many M words I repress in association to football. See also that farking GM that likes to draft WRs.

Lando Lincoln: lennavan: And every game Mike Martz and his offense makes me want to scream. Sometimes the plays he calls, it's like WTF were you thinking? And the relaying from Martz to the sideline and then the sideline to Cutler. Holy shiat, get the farking call in already. I mean, I think Cutler is a douche but man, if one of these days after asking to get the play in he just said f it and called it himself, I'd probably sing his praises. I've never seen a more frustrating system of getting a play call in, or a slower one.

I don't remember what game it was, but some game last year I swear I saw Cutler take off his helmet, switch off the radio, and then put his helmet back on. This was after a series of incredible "WTF WAS THAT" plays that had Jay obviously very frustrated.

I don't blame him. It's been just way too much dumb shiat play calling. Martz thinks he's some sort of offensive genius and the players have to play to his level. Martz leaves Cutler no protection thinking his amazing and quick offense shouldn't need it because of how great it will be. It doesn't farking matter how terrific of a pass route scheme you've got going if Cutler gets dropped in 2 seconds. He's trying to make the players fit the offense, rather than making an offense to fit the players he has.

Martz called some horseshiat calls last night...a pair of running plays in the late drive when the Bears were 2nd, 3rd, and long IIRC

GQueue: snowshovel: I expect a much closer game this weekend than the earlier game. This could be the Lions only really interesting (from a standings point of view) game played in potentially bad weather all season (and the forecasts are showing halfway decent weather anyway)...the final game at Green Bay on Jan 1st could just be a throwaway "let's rest the starters" game for either one or both teams. Not to take anything away from the Lions, but for a team built for a dome (which, in theory at least, would lead to issues in playing against bad weather teams), they have a nice schedule forward-looking, weather-wise. Playing the AFC West division does that, I suppose

I will be curious to see how the Lions do on the unique "grass" surface of Soldier Field. Regardless, the Bears sure as hell aren't going to have 9 false starts this time around.

Maybe not, but I could see the bears getting sacked 9 times.