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2011-11-08 01:19:56 PM
Haha! It's good to see this law is being enforced. I haven't gone in several years, but I reckon I've dug 20-30 pounds of (dried) ginseng roots in my life, and not one root was taken illegally. At least it looks like these guys were digging in-season, so hopefully they replanted the berries.. I really hate the f*ckers who dig the roots up before the plant fruits, thereby ensuring no new plant will grow.
 
2011-11-08 02:46:58 PM
Endangered plant? Really?

So gingeng is the new rhino horn?
 
2011-11-08 02:50:09 PM
I was hiking around Standing Indian one weekend and ran across six or seven groups going after ginseng. One of the locals that was with me stated it was almost as lucrative as pot.
 
2011-11-08 02:50:29 PM
Gingseng is endangered?
 
2011-11-08 02:50:30 PM
FrancoFile: Endangered plant? Really?

So gingeng is the new rhino horn?


theinfosphere.org

You want Human Horn? You're not the cops, are you?
 
2011-11-08 02:55:24 PM
Honest Bender: Gingseng is endangered?

That's why I always put The Club (tm) on my Bawls when I leave my desk.
 
2011-11-08 02:58:34 PM
Another Government Employee: One of the locals that was with me stated it was almost as lucrative as pot.

If it's that lucrative, why isn't it more widely grown as a crop? There's be little market for poachers if there were more farmers.
 
2011-11-08 02:59:51 PM
ignatiusst: Haha! It's good to see this law is being enforced. I haven't gone in several years, but I reckon I've dug 20-30 pounds of (dried) ginseng roots in my life, and not one root was taken illegally. At least it looks like these guys were digging in-season, so hopefully they replanted the berries.. I really hate the f*ckers who dig the roots up before the plant fruits, thereby ensuring no new plant will grow.

So, is the old story about how ginseng won't grow in the same location twice just an old wives tale to hike up prices?

I used to go hunting for it with my wife, we never found any. Found lots of other interesting plants though.

It's a lot of fun hunting for strange and rare plants and fungi.
 
2011-11-08 03:01:01 PM
ReverendJasen: Another Government Employee: One of the locals that was with me stated it was almost as lucrative as pot.

If it's that lucrative, why isn't it more widely grown as a crop? There's be little market for poachers if there were more farmers.


It takes a few years to get a good enough root.

That means patience.
 
2011-11-08 03:01:43 PM
ReverendJasen: Another Government Employee: One of the locals that was with me stated it was almost as lucrative as pot.

If it's that lucrative, why isn't it more widely grown as a crop? There's be little market for poachers if there were more farmers.


Takes about 10 years for the Ginseng root to be ready to harvest.
 
2011-11-08 03:03:52 PM
I can't find Nirn root anywhere either.
 
2011-11-08 03:10:21 PM
They can always just go looking for bloopaploo and rananda or whatever other made up thing they want.
 
2011-11-08 03:10:58 PM
This whole article reads like a sixth grade pencil sweater.

Billy Joe Hurley, 45, of Bryson City, was arrested on October 14, 2011, for harvesting ginseng. He possessed 187 ginseng roots from a train that was travelling 49 kilometers per hour. How many canines does an orangutan have?
 
2011-11-08 03:14:36 PM
ReverendJasen: Another Government Employee: One of the locals that was with me stated it was almost as lucrative as pot.

If it's that lucrative, why isn't it more widely grown as a crop? There's be little market for poachers if there were more farmers.


Ginseng doesn't work as a crop. It grows low in the valleys in the Southern Appalachins and just doesn't transplant anywhere else.
 
2011-11-08 03:17:10 PM
thelordofcheese: They can always just go looking for bloopaploo and rananda or whatever other made up thing they want.

Oh, it's a real plant. Tastes quite good as a tea with a bit of sourwood honey. Asian culture still uses it for medicine.
 
2011-11-08 03:29:05 PM
So, in that part of the country it's legal for to cut off a mountain-top, but picking a root will get you thrown in jail...got it.
 
2011-11-08 03:31:05 PM
legal for to cut off a mountain-top

/proofreading fail
 
2011-11-08 03:31:30 PM
I heard you can find it about 3 miles from the baptel yard, from the reverse curve on down, just far south of the town depot, back on higher ground.
 
2011-11-08 03:42:41 PM
Fool0ndahill: So, in that part of the country it's legal for to cut off a mountain-top, but picking a root will get you thrown in jail...got it.

It's because poachers don't usually have enough money to bribe contribute to their political party member.
 
2011-11-08 03:45:38 PM
ajt167: I heard you can find it about 3 miles from the baptel yard, from the reverse curve on down, just far south of the town depot, back on higher ground.

big gold star for you today!
 
2011-11-08 03:46:37 PM
web.mac.com

wanted for questioning.
 
2011-11-08 03:48:02 PM
FrancoFile: Endangered plant? Really?

So gingeng is the new rhino horn?


It hit $90 a pound last summer. People were trespassing left and right to steal that stuff.
 
2011-11-08 03:51:44 PM
Genseng digging tools??


Shovels???
 
2011-11-08 03:54:58 PM
I read the link and thought I knew who was doing this ...
I thought it was going to be the asians!
 
2011-11-08 03:55:31 PM
Another Government Employee:

Ginseng doesn't work as a crop. It grows low in the valleys in the Southern Appalachins and just doesn't transplant anywhere else.


Not true at all. News came out in the last couple of years that Chinese people are especially interested in ginseng that's been grown in Wisconsin of all places. They have ways of testing it to determine its origin. It grows wild here, and can be transplanted to wooded areas. It can also be grown in farms under shade, but that's not as valued.

/just got through planting the last of 50 two-year-old rootlets on my wooded lot
//going to sell stuff to the Chinese for a change
 
2011-11-08 03:58:47 PM
Ginseng does grow as a crop. It's just finicky; needs rich, moist, well-drained soil and shade. Also a lot of manual labor in making sure it doesn't get overtaken with weeds.

In general, it's just a lot easier to poach ginseng then go through all the work of trying to build the perfect environment for it.
 
2011-11-08 04:03:51 PM
stuhayes2010: FrancoFile: Endangered plant? Really?

So gingeng is the new rhino horn?

It hit $90 a pound last summer. People were trespassing left and right to steal that stuff.


HEY CHINESE MEN

We know you have small penises. No amount of ginseng, tiger paw extract, or narwhal horn is going to do anything about it. Give up already!
 
2011-11-08 04:04:39 PM
So there I was taking pictures of Devil Anse Hatfield's hillside grave in Logan County, West Virginia when a real mountain man stumbled out of the woods, laden with leather pouches full of ginseng hanging off his belt. He was so dirty he was shiny. He'd been up in the woods for two weeks, with no equipment other than his knife. I once had to go to the grocery store without taking a shower first. I still shiver.
 
2011-11-08 04:06:12 PM
How can I help you?
A-Sulfurous Ash
B-Ginseng
C-Garlic
D-Blood Moss
E-Black Pearl
F-Nightshade
> B

How many?
> 99

Fine, that will be 367gp.
You Pay> 1

Thou has lost an eighth!
Thou has lost an eighth!
Thou has lost an eighth!
Thou has lost an eighth!

>Use
What will you use?
>Skull
 
2011-11-08 04:09:51 PM
Fool0ndahill: So, in that part of the country it's legal for to cut off a mountain-top, but picking a root will get you thrown in jail...got it.

No, I don't think it's legal to cut off a mountain top inside of a national park.
 
2011-11-08 04:15:13 PM
Maybe they were really looking for screaming mandragora
 
2011-11-08 04:59:36 PM
meat0918: ignatiusst: Haha! It's good to see this law is being enforced. I haven't gone in several years, but I reckon I've dug 20-30 pounds of (dried) ginseng roots in my life, and not one root was taken illegally. At least it looks like these guys were digging in-season, so hopefully they replanted the berries.. I really hate the f*ckers who dig the roots up before the plant fruits, thereby ensuring no new plant will grow.

So, is the old story about how ginseng won't grow in the same location twice just an old wives tale to hike up prices?

I used to go hunting for it with my wife, we never found any. Found lots of other interesting plants though.

It's a lot of fun hunting for strange and rare plants and fungi.


I have never heard that it won't grow in the same location twice, but yes - that is an old wives tale.. Hell, half (well, half is an exaggeration, but ginsenging is a lot like fishing) of what I used to dig I got because only I knew where the patch was and would go back to it every 3-4 years to get the new roots..
 
2011-11-08 05:01:38 PM
radioman_: So there I was taking pictures of Devil Anse Hatfield's hillside grave in Logan County, West Virginia when a real mountain man stumbled out of the woods, laden with leather pouches full of ginseng hanging off his belt. He was so dirty he was shiny. He'd been up in the woods for two weeks, with no equipment other than his knife. I once had to go to the grocery store without taking a shower first. I still shiver.

That could very well have been any number of my cousins..

/ Not really
// My family is from Greenbrier and Fayette counties..
/// But otherwise, really.
 
2011-11-08 05:18:07 PM
Weird. I planted some in the garden years ago (yes...really). Got shiatloads of it now.

$90 a pound huh? That's great...just gotta figure out where the hell to sell it :)

FTA: Ginseng-digging tool? You mean a shovel?
 
2011-11-08 05:23:51 PM
ReverendJasen: Another Government Employee: One of the locals that was with me stated it was almost as lucrative as pot.

If it's that lucrative, why isn't it more widely grown as a crop? There's be little market for poachers if there were more farmers.


It is grown as a crop. But if you can just pick it for free, that's just easier. I'm sure they didn't think they would get caught.
 
2011-11-08 05:35:50 PM
Grapple: That's why I always put The Club (tm) on my Bawls when I leave my desk.


You have a detachable Club?

/Can you use it as a missile of some kind?
//Maybe a king missile or some other type of dong missile?
 
2011-11-08 06:26:35 PM
The more you eat the more you fart: Weird. I planted some in the garden years ago (yes...really). Got shiatloads of it now.

$90 a pound huh? That's great...just gotta figure out where the hell to sell it :)

FTA: Ginseng-digging tool? You mean a shovel?


It's only $90 a pound, now? It fluctuates from year-to-year (or used to, anyway).. when I was ginsenging, it ranged from $275-$400/pound.. Of course, maybe you are quoting the "wet" price... it takes about 250-350 dried roots to make a pound, so $90 wouldn't really be worth it (IMO).
 
2011-11-08 06:28:17 PM
ignatiusst: The more you eat the more you fart: Weird. I planted some in the garden years ago (yes...really). Got shiatloads of it now.

$90 a pound huh? That's great...just gotta figure out where the hell to sell it :)

FTA: Ginseng-digging tool? You mean a shovel?

It's only $90 a pound, now? It fluctuates from year-to-year (or used to, anyway).. when I was ginsenging, it ranged from $275-$400/pound.. Of course, maybe you are quoting the "wet" price... it takes about 250-350 dried roots to make a pound, so $90 wouldn't really be worth it (IMO).


Ah.. sorry - I fail at reading. the stuff in your garden is considered "cultivated".. Do not try to sell this as wild ginseng. If the broker catches you, he'll probably cut your nuts off, and I am sure it's illegal, too..
 
2011-11-08 06:42:37 PM
ignatiusst: ignatiusst: The more you eat the more you fart: Weird. I planted some in the garden years ago (yes...really). Got shiatloads of it now.

$90 a pound huh? That's great...just gotta figure out where the hell to sell it :)

FTA: Ginseng-digging tool? You mean a shovel?

It's only $90 a pound, now? It fluctuates from year-to-year (or used to, anyway).. when I was ginsenging, it ranged from $275-$400/pound.. Of course, maybe you are quoting the "wet" price... it takes about 250-350 dried roots to make a pound, so $90 wouldn't really be worth it (IMO).

Ah.. sorry - I fail at reading. the stuff in your garden is considered "cultivated".. Do not try to sell this as wild ginseng. If the broker catches you, he'll probably cut your nuts off, and I am sure it's illegal, too..


Oh, if the berries you used to seed your garden were wild, don't tell the cops because that's illegal, too.

Basically what I am sayin' in your goin' to jail. Sorry.
 
2011-11-08 11:22:46 PM
If I had been on the jury, they would have all walked free.
 
2011-11-08 11:35:14 PM
ReverendJasen: If it's that lucrative, why isn't it more widely grown as a crop? There's be little market for poachers if there were more farmers.

Because it not only screams when you dig it up, if you domesticate it, it'll call you by name when you rip it out of the ground. Most people can't deal with that.
 
2011-11-09 12:14:37 AM
Fool0ndahill: So, in that part of the country it's legal for to cut off a mountain-top, but picking a root will get you thrown in jail...got it.

You need a geography lesson.
 
2011-11-09 12:18:26 AM
cryinoutloud: ReverendJasen: If it's that lucrative, why isn't it more widely grown as a crop? There's be little market for poachers if there were more farmers.

Because it not only screams when you dig it up, if you domesticate it, it'll call you by name when you rip it out of the ground. Most people can't deal with that.



It's some thunder in your brain, all right. But it'll give you the power.
 
2011-11-09 12:32:54 AM
Now if we could just convince the Chinese that the following can be turned into an aphrodesiac tea:

Cane toads (especially in Australia)
Meth addicts
Bankers
Mosquitoes
Uwe Boll
 
2011-11-09 02:43:51 AM
Sneakytoes: Another Government Employee:

Ginseng doesn't work as a crop. It grows low in the valleys in the Southern Appalachins and just doesn't transplant anywhere else.

Not true at all. News came out in the last couple of years that Chinese people are especially interested in ginseng that's been grown in Wisconsin of all places. They have ways of testing it to determine its origin. It grows wild here, and can be transplanted to wooded areas. It can also be grown in farms under shade, but that's not as valued.

/just got through planting the last of 50 two-year-old rootlets on my wooded lot
//going to sell stuff to the Chinese for a change


Yeah, all through Illinois woodlands also.
 
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