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R.A.Danny: cameroncrazy1984: torch: never should have happened and "it must never happen again."

Yeah well you signed off on it, dipshiat.

He did? Isn't that what they are trying to find out?

Would you believe that that many laws and regulations could be circumnavigated without his knowledge?


Or with.

Plausible deniability FTW

R.A.Danny: Amos Quito: Or with.

Plausible deniability FTW

Even with that, it's a serious enough situation that he should have known about it. Not knowing means that his subordinates are circumventing procedure behind his back, which doesn't give anyone confidence in his leadership. He is either incompetent or a criminal, and Americans are dead because if it.


Not to mention dead Mexicans.

These shenanigans go on all the time behind the scenes. Rarely does the public find out.

I have a hard time believing he didn't know it was going on. International arms smuggling is serious business. I don't see how it could have gotten past Holder for as long as he claims it did.

Either he knew and allowed it to continue, or he really is as incompetent as he's acting and his subordinates went behind his back. However it happened, he shouldn't be in charge anymore.

R.A.Danny: cameroncrazy1984: torch: never should have happened and "it must never happen again."

Yeah well you signed off on it, dipshiat.

He did? Isn't that what they are trying to find out?

Would you believe that that many laws and regulations could be circumnavigated without his knowledge?

He does seem to have a much better memory than the last couple of AG's though.

If he didn't know about it, he should have....either way, he's a POS

R.A.Danny: cameroncrazy1984: torch: never should have happened and "it must never happen again."

Yeah well you signed off on it, dipshiat.

He did? Isn't that what they are trying to find out?

Would you believe that that many laws and regulations could be circumnavigated without his knowledge?

It's going to be hilarious to watch him develop a case of Republican Witness Stand Amnesia.

Republicans are going to throw a shiat fit every time he says "I don't recall" like their heroes.

If it's people that kill other people and not the guns, why would someone hold the government/Holder responsible for the agent's death?

step down? Not going to happen again?

WTF...we want whoever approved this in PRISON. People are...you know - DEAD.

R.A.Danny: Amos Quito: Or with.

Plausible deniability FTW

Even with that, it's a serious enough situation that he should have known about it. Not knowing means that his subordinates are circumventing procedure behind his back, which doesn't give anyone confidence in his leadership. He is either incompetent or a criminal, and Americans are dead because if it.

How about finally coming to our senses and disbanding the BATF as well? They have a long track record of seriously farked operations.

Meh. I found Condi Rice lying her ass off at the 9/11 Commission more disturbing. Besides, it's Mexicans killing other Mexicans so who really gives a fark?

This is the same Holder that bypassed the DOJ with all of Clinton's last minute pardons when he left office. Is anyone surprised this guy is still a crook?

dsade: step down? Not going to happen again?

WTF...we want whoever approved this in PRISON. People are...you know - DEAD.

But enough about the Iraq war.

The concept was initiated by the semi Autonomous department known as the ATF. The concept of the program was signed off on by Holder's predecessor, Mukasey towards the end of Bush II's 2nd term.

Holder got a memo.

ATF asked to expand the program and gave justifications for that expansion.

The details Holder received regarding the expansion of the program are the only questions remaining.

I would love to see Holder replaced with someone less politically connected. But the witch hunt being pursued by Issa in the manner in which it's being pursued is counterproductive.

Issa is a corrupt piece of shiat who also, definitely, belongs in jail. Nothing that comes out of that creeps circle of influence should ever be trusted at face value.

Holder should go, but he's not necessarily culpable for this. ATF is a pretty headstrong semi-autonomous department. I can easily see ATF holding back

violentsalvation: AdolfOliverPanties: We are all aware that the practice of "gun-walking," which is what "Fast and Furious" is all about, actually began in 2007 during the Bush administration, correct?

Holder and ultimately Obama have responsibility for allowing it to go on, but let us not forget where it, like the Solyndra affair, began.

Operation Wide Receiver was really not the same thing. The guns were intended to be tracked to the border and confiscated by the waiting Mexican authorities. It didn't work. It was stupid as hell and risky, but they really ramped it up with F&F. "Don't tell Mexico, pump thousands of guns into Mexico, add those two up and you magically take down a cartel, somehow. "

Yup.

Not that I would mind seeing Bush era DOJ and ATF officials go to jail as well.

Ok, Holder. We understand you say you're not responsible. However, F&F didn't just happen. Someone came up with the idea, authorized and funded it. So, who IS responsible and why are they not incarcerated?

Jake Havechek: Meh. I found Condi Rice lying her ass off at the 9/11 Commission more disturbing. Besides, it's Mexicans killing other Mexicans so who really gives a fark?

When US border agents start dying (which has already happened) then we start to give a fark. Thanks for you insightful commentary

jbuist: Lou Brown: If it's people that kill other people and not the guns, why would someone hold the government/Holder responsible for the agent's death?

Going out of your way to arm known violent criminals is a bit much.

I agree. I just find it annoying when people view an issue in black & white terms until it suits them to do otherwise.

Jake Havechek: Meh. I found Condi Rice lying her ass off at the 9/11 Commission more disturbing. Besides, it's Mexicans killing other Mexicans so who really gives a fark?

Wow its been a while since I've seen someone write something so racist. Speaking as a white guy that goes to Mexico on a regular basis, I think I can say, that some people care if violent criminals are turning the generally peaceful small towns of Mexico into a bath of innocent blood. Expectantly when OUR Government is supplying those psyco's with the guns to do it. I hope you are just joking.

Aww. Given the headline, I thought he was resigning.

The entire concept of "America's guns arming the cartels" is just so ludicrous it boggles the mind that anyone still buys into it.

Let's see.. pay American retail price for a semiauto rifle (say, $300-$800 depending on quality) with all the inherent risks involved in not just the purchase, but smuggling over the border (Bear in mind, the gun dealers CALLED THE ATF to say these people were sketchy, but were specifically ordered to complete the sales)

OR... pay $65 a pop for fully automatic rifles, in bulk, from any number of other countries and their arms dealers.

I mean sure, have purchases in America gone south over the years? I'd be real surprised if they hadn't. But acting like the border states are the primary source of cartel weaponry is an obviously transparent gun control PR stunt.

raddad: Ok, Holder. We understand you say you're not responsible. However, F&F didn't just happen. Someone came up with the idea, authorized and funded it. So, who IS responsible and why are they not incarcerated?

I believe the captain of the Exxon Valdez was sent to prison because he was in charge even when he didn't know what was going on. ... just a thought

GOP is very hypocritical to be upset about this yet silent of Cain groping a white woman.

MonoChango: Jake Havechek: Meh. I found Condi Rice lying her ass off at the 9/11 Commission more disturbing. Besides, it's Mexicans killing other Mexicans so who really gives a fark?

Wow its been a while since I've seen someone write something so racist. Speaking as a white guy that goes to Mexico on a regular basis, I think I can say, that some people care if violent criminals are turning the generally peaceful small towns of Mexico into a bath of innocent blood. Expectantly when OUR Government is supplying those psyco's with the guns to do it. I hope you are just joking.

Mexican isn't a race.

When the Mexicans pick leaders who will lead them instead of taking payoffs from cartel bosses, they might be worth a squirt of piss. Mexico is a quasi medieval shiathole with virtually no rule of law.

Muta: GOP is very hypocritical to be upset about this yet silent of Cain groping a white woman.

R.A.Danny: cameroncrazy1984: torch: never should have happened and "it must never happen again."

Yeah well you signed off on it, dipshiat.

He did? Isn't that what they are trying to find out?

Would you believe that that many laws and regulations could be circumnavigated without his knowledge?

liberals will believe anything if a liberal tells them it's true. Same thing for retarded republicans

Jake Havechek: When the Mexicans pick leaders who will lead them instead of taking payoffs from cartel bosses, they might be worth a squirt of piss. Mexico is a quasi medieval shiathole with virtually no rule of law.

That easy, eh? We should elect you President, what with your mastery of domestic and foreign policy.

Brew78: Aww. Given the headline, I thought he was resigning.

The entire concept of "America's guns arming the cartels" is just so ludicrous it boggles the mind that anyone still buys into it.

Let's see.. pay American retail price for a semiauto rifle (say, $300-$800 depending on quality) with all the inherent risks involved in not just the purchase, but smuggling over the border (Bear in mind, the gun dealers CALLED THE ATF to say these people were sketchy, but were specifically ordered to complete the sales)

OR... pay $65 a pop for fully automatic rifles, in bulk, from any number of other countries and their arms dealers.

I mean sure, have purchases in America gone south over the years? I'd be real surprised if they hadn't. But acting like the border states are the primary source of cartel weaponry is an obviously transparent gun control PR stunt.

hey idiot, the ATF GAVE the farking guns to the cartles and funded it with TAX DOLLARS.

You are an idiot. Get more informed

blahpers: Jake Havechek: When the Mexicans pick leaders who will lead them instead of taking payoffs from cartel bosses, they might be worth a squirt of piss. Mexico is a quasi medieval shiathole with virtually no rule of law.

That easy, eh? We should elect you President, what with your mastery of domestic and foreign policy.

Yes it is. Step out of the 17th century, Mexico, and you might accomplish something.

Lou Brown: If it's people that kill other people and not the guns, why would someone hold the government/Holder responsible for the agent's death?

Because according to Obama, Holder, and the rest of the gang of idiots, if the killer didn't buy that gun through F&F, he would have never been able to buy a gun since only legal guns are the problem. No one buys an illegal gun, surely you must know that. Therefore, no gun, no shooting of Agent Terry.

Now, I know YOU can see the flaw in this logic, and I see the flaw in this logic, but they don't.

Jake Havechek:
Mexican isn't a race.
Tell that to the wife when you tell her that someones hatred of her isn't racism because of a loophole in syntax. I'll be out of arms reach to watch. ;-)

When the Mexicans pick leaders who will lead them instead of taking payoffs from cartel bosses, they might be worth a squirt of piss. Mexico is a quasi medieval shiathole with virtually no rule of law.
Yeah welcome to Class Based Trotsky Socialism. Everyone that runs is paid off by someone. And even with that they tried to vote for someone that said he would do something about it and so they get 20,000 dead. The Mexican Govt is fighting this as a police action instead of an insurrection so they will lose.

syberpud: R.A.Danny: Amos Quito: Or with.

Plausible deniability FTW

Even with that, it's a serious enough situation that he should have known about it. Not knowing means that his subordinates are circumventing procedure behind his back, which doesn't give anyone confidence in his leadership. He is either incompetent or a criminal, and Americans are dead because if it.

How about finally coming to our senses and disbanding the BATF as well? They have a long track record of seriously farked operations.


What, and have the country overrun with Alcohol, Tobacco AND Firearms?

NO WAI!

/Reno

Amos Quito:

What, and have the country overrun with Alcohol, Tobacco AND Firearms?

NO WAI!

/Reno

Well you know their real name is BATFE
Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives

As far as I'm concerned you can keep the Tobacco but the rest sounds like a Fark'n fun weekend!

AdolfOliverPanties

We are all aware that the practice of "gun-walking," which is what "Fast and Furious" is all about, actually began in 2007 during the Bush administration, correct?

Holder and ultimately Obama have responsibility for allowing it to go on, but let us not forget where it, like the Solyndra affair, began.


Except under the Bush admin they either arrested them before they crossed the border or in the messed up case of Wide Receiver, tried this (FF type op), but the Mexican authorities dropped the ball. They stopped letting them cross after that failed.

Solyndra funding was DENIED under the the Bush admin.

/I am not white knighting for old dumbass, but get your talking points straight.

//Also if he knew he should be prosecuted, if he didn't know he should step down due to incompetence.

Leahy, the goddamned retarded super liberal sent a letter asking to have operations under Bush investigated too.

When will you libs stop blaming Bush for everything? How many farking years until you own up to your retards you put in office?