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2011-11-08 04:09:06 PM

HeartBurnKid: Fair enough. Is sending tea bags something they do regularly? I don't think so.

It certainly was when they got started.


If you say so. I remember it as being one campaign, not a repeated thing.

If you want to take the new position that they should be called tea baggers because it's what they used to do regularly*, rather than spreading the lie that it's what they called themselves, that's cool with me. Progress is progress.

*and because it's so hilarious, of course
 
2011-11-08 04:10:38 PM
If you measure in terms of incidents per capita per protest-hour, I'd put the Occupy movements up favorably against any other group in recent history in terms of peacefulness, including the general populations at large of the cities in which the protests are taking place.

It's too bad that the numbers that would prove or disprove my assertion are basically impossible to measure, and that violence-free assembly is useless for effecting changes anyway.

Even Gandhi and Martin Luther King's movements didn't make much progress until the authorities trained their rifles and firehoses on the nonviolent protestors.
 
2011-11-08 04:10:57 PM

skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: DarwiOdrade: skullkrusher: Isolated incident of agents provocateurs posing as deranged homeless people infiltrating the camp.

If the incidence of these agents provocateurs were isolated, you might have a point.

that was the joke - absolute fear to admit that there are bad apples floating around in the OWS bucket. That deserves mockery

I never can tell if you're being sarcastic, but I like you anyway.

Haven't seen you say much on the subject but in general there seems to be a like of child-like wonder at the OWS and the belief that they are a virtuous monolith without flaw - just regular folks like you or me who want to see the 1% pull their weight. Many very well may have that virtuous cause in mind. Just remember, while OWS isn't G20 style anarchists looking for violent rebellion, OWS is #1 with G20 style anarchists looking for violent rebellion.


I generally support the various Occupy movements around the country, in particular the dissatisfaction with the financial industry and Congress' unabashedly corrupt handling of it. I do not support violence or destruction of property in the name of these protests, and I don't kid myself that every (bona fide) protester is innocent. On the other hand, we have already seen several examples of conservative agents provocateurs making mischief in order to make the real protesters look bad.

I also don't think the portrayal of these protesters as lazy is fair. How long has a Tea Party protest (or any other protest in the US in recent years) lasted? A few hours? Maybe a couple of days?

The fear of the protests is palpable, but I really don't understand why so many of the 99% are against them, liberal, conservative, or anywhere in between, unless they're just ill-informed.
 
2011-11-08 04:11:57 PM

halfof33: Matthew Keene: she looks like one of the 1%

well she certainly doesn't own a website as profound as ihathethemarinecorps.

But she was simply exercising her rights to assemble that are the cornerstone of our democracy. As a result, she was brutally attacked. Is this my America?

We are all Dolores Broderson.


No we are not. This copypasta from Slate:

Back at the convention center, the ugly stories from Friday night were circulating. The most popular afternoon session, with dozens of people grabbing floor space when chairs run out, was hosted by Andrew Breitbart. In his morning speech he ripped into the Occupiers, "freaks" embarrassing themselves with "rape and public masturbation." Later, he gleefully mocked the movement.
"Let's have a general assembly consensus," Breitbart said. "Twinkle fingers up!"
Everyone lifted their hands and wiggled their fingers, a parody of the Occupy organizing tactic.
"First issue on the docket is rape," says Breitbart. "Should we allow rape to happen at the Tea Party?"
They wiggle their fingers toward the ground, meaning no.
"OK, we're already different than them."
Breitbart later sought out Dolores Broderson to tell her he was sorry for what happened to her and to ask her how she was doing. She was healing. AFP gave her a plane ride home to spare her the possible jostling she would have gotten on her AFP bus ride. It would be OK.
"Congratulations," he said. "You're now a martyr of our cause. Unfortunately, the mainstream media doesn't care about you. If this were the other way around, you'd be on ABC News, live. It'd be a media circus."


Dolores is an elderly, bitter, ugly, right wing nut.
 
2011-11-08 04:15:42 PM

SmellsLikePoo: Let's use energy as an easy example.


Could you use pedantry as an example instead?

archichris: OMG sarcasm makes me anti-semetic!!!


Hey, you're a fun species of hyper-ventilating hamster dick.
 
2011-11-08 04:17:27 PM

Matthew Keene: No we are not. This copypasta from Slate:

Back at the convention center, the ugly stories from Friday night were circulating. The most popular afternoon session, with dozens of people grabbing floor space when chairs run out, was hosted by Andrew Breitbart. In his morning speech he ripped into the Occupiers, "freaks" embarrassing themselves with "rape and public masturbation." Later, he gleefully mocked the movement.
"Let's have a general assembly consensus," Breitbart said. "Twinkle fingers up!"
Everyone lifted their hands and wiggled their fingers, a parody of the Occupy organizing tactic.
"First issue on the docket is rape," says Breitbart. "Should we allow rape to happen at the Tea Party?"
They wiggle their fingers toward the ground, meaning no.
"OK, we're already different than them."
Breitbart later sought out Dolores Broderson to tell her he was sorry for what happened to her and to ask her how she was doing. She was healing. AFP gave her a plane ride home to spare her the possible jostling she would have gotten on her AFP bus ride. It would be OK.
"Congratulations," he said. "You're now a martyr of our cause. Unfortunately, the mainstream media doesn't care about you. If this were the other way around, you'd be on ABC News, live. It'd be a media circus."
Dolores is an elderly, bitter, ugly, right wing nut.


Wow, you managed to cut and paste something that does not include one single word from Dolores Broderson, yet you smear her as an elderly, bitter, ugly, right wing nut.

Now we see the attack trolls.

We are all Dolores Broderson.
 
2011-11-08 04:17:51 PM

royone: *and because it's so hilarious, of course


I think that's the key reason, right there.

After all, this is FARK.
 
2011-11-08 04:20:54 PM

halfof33: Matthew Keene: No we are not. This copypasta from Slate:

Back at the convention center, the ugly stories from Friday night were circulating. The most popular afternoon session, with dozens of people grabbing floor space when chairs run out, was hosted by Andrew Breitbart. In his morning speech he ripped into the Occupiers, "freaks" embarrassing themselves with "rape and public masturbation." Later, he gleefully mocked the movement.
"Let's have a general assembly consensus," Breitbart said. "Twinkle fingers up!"
Everyone lifted their hands and wiggled their fingers, a parody of the Occupy organizing tactic.
"First issue on the docket is rape," says Breitbart. "Should we allow rape to happen at the Tea Party?"
They wiggle their fingers toward the ground, meaning no.
"OK, we're already different than them."
Breitbart later sought out Dolores Broderson to tell her he was sorry for what happened to her and to ask her how she was doing. She was healing. AFP gave her a plane ride home to spare her the possible jostling she would have gotten on her AFP bus ride. It would be OK.
"Congratulations," he said. "You're now a martyr of our cause. Unfortunately, the mainstream media doesn't care about you. If this were the other way around, you'd be on ABC News, live. It'd be a media circus."
Dolores is an elderly, bitter, ugly, right wing nut.

Wow, you managed to cut and paste something that does not include one single word from Dolores Broderson, yet you smear her as an elderly, bitter, ugly, right wing nut.

Now we see the attack trolls.

We are all Dolores Broderson.


Are you her grandson?
 
2011-11-08 04:20:55 PM

halfof33: We are all Dolores Broderson.


Therefore, this is what all our crotches look like:

www.nicegraphics.com
 
2011-11-08 04:25:04 PM

DarwiOdrade: I also don't think the portrayal of these protesters as lazy is fair. How long has a Tea Party protest (or any other protest in the US in recent years) lasted? A few hours? Maybe a couple of days?


ya know, whether or not tea partiers are lazy has nothing to do with whether OWSers are ;)

DarwiOdrade: The fear of the protests is palpable, but I really don't understand why so many of the 99% are against them, liberal, conservative, or anywhere in between, unless they're just ill-informed.


I really don't know who is afraid of OWS. A few on the cusp right wing politicians? No one else as far as I can tell.
I think so many of the 99% are opposed because it is no longer about 99 vs 1% if it ever was. You're right, the ostensible motivation should transcend politics. However, it has become a catchall for every left wing cause out there. Shifting more of the tax burden to the ultra wealthy might resonate with Joe Working Guy. Freeing Mumia... not so much.
 
2011-11-08 04:26:10 PM

Matthew Keene: halfof33: Matthew Keene: No we are not. This copypasta from Slate:

Back at the convention center, the ugly stories from Friday night were circulating. The most popular afternoon session, with dozens of people grabbing floor space when chairs run out, was hosted by Andrew Breitbart. In his morning speech he ripped into the Occupiers, "freaks" embarrassing themselves with "rape and public masturbation." Later, he gleefully mocked the movement.
"Let's have a general assembly consensus," Breitbart said. "Twinkle fingers up!"
Everyone lifted their hands and wiggled their fingers, a parody of the Occupy organizing tactic.
"First issue on the docket is rape," says Breitbart. "Should we allow rape to happen at the Tea Party?"
They wiggle their fingers toward the ground, meaning no.
"OK, we're already different than them."
Breitbart later sought out Dolores Broderson to tell her he was sorry for what happened to her and to ask her how she was doing. She was healing. AFP gave her a plane ride home to spare her the possible jostling she would have gotten on her AFP bus ride. It would be OK.
"Congratulations," he said. "You're now a martyr of our cause. Unfortunately, the mainstream media doesn't care about you. If this were the other way around, you'd be on ABC News, live. It'd be a media circus."
Dolores is an elderly, bitter, ugly, right wing nut.

Wow, you managed to cut and paste something that does not include one single word from Dolores Broderson, yet you smear her as an elderly, bitter, ugly, right wing nut.

Now we see the attack trolls.

We are all Dolores Broderson.

Are you her grandson?


that twinkle fingers on rape thing is kinda funny
 
2011-11-08 04:28:01 PM

Tricky Chicken: This text is now purple: Posse Comitatus

Straight from the wiki page

The Posse Comitatus Act is an often misunderstood and misquoted United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction. Its intent (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) was to limit the powers of local governments and law enforcement agencies from using federal military personnel to enforce the laws of the land. Contrary to popular belief, the Act does not prohibit members of the Army from exercising nominally state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order"; it simply requires that any orders to do so must originate with the United States Constitution or Act of Congress.

The statute only directly addresses the US Army (and is understood to equally apply to the US Air Force as a derivative of the US Army); it does not reference, and thus does not implicitly apply to nor restrict units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States. The Navy and Marine Corps are prohibited by a Department of Defense directive, not by the Act itself.[1][2] The Coast Guard, under the Department of Homeland Security, is exempt from the Act.

Sounds like you fit into the "often misunderstood" group.


Not so much. I don't know of any recent Acts of Congress to the contrary, and I'm not familiar with the Navy and its subordinate forces or the Coast Guard possessing much in the way of overland drone assets.

I doubt the police have much in the way of Stinger-equipped drones. And as to the CIA -- that would be the CIA that doesn't have jurisdiction in domestic matters? That CIA?
 
2011-11-08 04:31:27 PM

royone: I appreciate your pointing out that there are criminal acts that can be very loosely tied to the Tea Party. There are rapes, assaults, vandalism, and rapes going on that are wholly internal to OWS gatherings. It is interesting that you seem to give them a pass, but condemn the Tea Party.


You seriously don't see the hypocrisy in what you just said at all?
 
2011-11-08 04:31:35 PM

Mykeru: Therefore, this is what all our crotches look like:


Ahhh, the misogynistic, personal attacks on Dolores Broderson have begun.

Par for the course.

Good job OWS.
 
2011-11-08 04:32:43 PM

royone: Perhaps you've googled up the guy's original blog call-to-arms?

Why would I do that? You're the one who's supposed to support your argument. And then you quote him mentioning the Tea Parties. Is that the standard? Anybody who expresses any kind of support for OWS is an actor on their part? The Revolutionary Communist Party represents OWS? Is that the standard?


I'm sure he's no True Scotsman either.

/what does a Tea Party membership card look like?
//one from Tea Party Patriots doesn't count. Johnny-come-latelies
 
2011-11-08 04:35:50 PM

SmellsLikePoo: The issue at heart is that both sides (OWS/Tea Party) dismiss the concerns of the opposing party without showing an ounce of respect.

When will everyone wake up and recognize that there are legetimate issues represented on both ends of the spectrum? These are not black and white problems that can be boiled down to polar opposites.

Stop throwing stones at each other, take a deep breath, and try to listen to what those on the other side of the table are saying. We are all in this shiatstorm together, and yelling the opponent into submission won't fix a thing.

/I know this comment will be overlooked or mocked, but hopefully a few of you out there are still sane...


The issue at heart isn't the Occupiers vs Tea Party, it's the 1% gaming and owning the system at the expense of everyone else.

Who says the Occupiers are dismissing the Tea Party? I have heard an Occupier in Boston say the Tea Party is part of the 99% and is welcome to join the movement.

I haven't seen Occupiers with signs condemning or attacking an opposing political group, threatening physical violence against them or pitching up Voter registration tents. I have seen that from the Tea Party though.

I don't believe the Occupy movement is a political movement and if it is it's the worst one in history. If it was a political movement they would have let politicians speak instead of telling them no, they would be fundraising for high level speakers, they would have designated representatives and leaders and there would be Voter registration tents everywhere like the Tea Party had. They would be distributing flyer's with specific messages, distributing talking points and creating advertisements all over Youtube.

They are simply not doing that.
 
2011-11-08 04:36:16 PM

colon_pow: that's not the Plan. I believe the Plan is to escalate the violence.


[citation needed]
 
2011-11-08 04:36:24 PM

skullkrusher: Matthew Keene: halfof33: Matthew Keene: No we are not. This copypasta from Slate:

Back at the convention center, the ugly stories from Friday night were circulating. The most popular afternoon session, with dozens of people grabbing floor space when chairs run out, was hosted by Andrew Breitbart. In his morning speech he ripped into the Occupiers, "freaks" embarrassing themselves with "rape and public masturbation." Later, he gleefully mocked the movement.
"Let's have a general assembly consensus," Breitbart said. "Twinkle fingers up!"
Everyone lifted their hands and wiggled their fingers, a parody of the Occupy organizing tactic.
"First issue on the docket is rape," says Breitbart. "Should we allow rape to happen at the Tea Party?"
They wiggle their fingers toward the ground, meaning no.
"OK, we're already different than them."
Breitbart later sought out Dolores Broderson to tell her he was sorry for what happened to her and to ask her how she was doing. She was healing. AFP gave her a plane ride home to spare her the possible jostling she would have gotten on her AFP bus ride. It would be OK.
"Congratulations," he said. "You're now a martyr of our cause. Unfortunately, the mainstream media doesn't care about you. If this were the other way around, you'd be on ABC News, live. It'd be a media circus."
Dolores is an elderly, bitter, ugly, right wing nut.

Wow, you managed to cut and paste something that does not include one single word from Dolores Broderson, yet you smear her as an elderly, bitter, ugly, right wing nut.

Now we see the attack trolls.

We are all Dolores Broderson.

Are you her grandson?

that twinkle fingers on rape thing is kinda funny


You think it's funny to be delighted about someone's rape as a means to discredit a movement?

You are a human piece of shiat.
 
2011-11-08 04:37:47 PM

Hot Rod Zoidberg: You think it's funny to be delighted about someone's rape as a means to discredit a movement?

You are a human piece of shiat.


of course that's not what happened at all - this was mocking the "internal" dealings with the rapes of course but you, please, go on. You mad and it funny.
 
2011-11-08 04:38:52 PM

halfof33: Mykeru: Therefore, this is what all our crotches look like:

Ahhh, the misogynistic, personal attacks on Dolores Broderson have begun.

Par for the course.

Good job OWS.


Don't forget to subscribe to my newsletter. You can get inside information on the marching orders I give to OWS from my secret lair.

P.S. Apparently your vagina is not only bigger than Delores', but it has a lot more sand in it.
 
2011-11-08 04:38:52 PM

umad: Now the rapists are "agents provocateurs" too?


You, of course, can quote the exact words I am supposed to have declared that with.

/of course you can't because I didn't.
 
2011-11-08 04:39:44 PM

nyseattitude: I haven't seen Occupiers with signs condemning or attacking an opposing political group, threatening physical violence against them


You appear to be unaware of the Occupy DC Assault on the Convention Center.

Google the name Dolores Broderson, victim of the OWS attacks on the Tea Party gathering.
 
2011-11-08 04:41:15 PM

Baloo Uriza: You seriously don't see the hypocrisy in what you just said at all?


Nope. Would you care to illumine me?
 
2011-11-08 04:41:27 PM
Link (new window)

Link (new window)

Link (new window)

Are we sure that everything that the protesters do wrong are just people trying to make the movement look bad?

Oh, and here's a list of the OV 'demands'

Link (new window)
 
2011-11-08 04:42:13 PM

Loren: Somacandra: Since reactionary activists have been proudly talking about their infiltration of Occupy movements and initiating violence (new window), how do we know any of these people were legitimate protestors instead of agent provocateurs?

I don't really think agent provocateurs describes what's going on. The link you give is the sort of thing I'm referring to but agent provocateur usually means someone pretending to be on the opposite side rather than infiltration by more radical elements.


The phrase you're looking for is "Black bloc", which is itself a polite phrase for "targeted hooliganism".
 
2011-11-08 04:42:28 PM

meat0918: Bf+: jdmac: BTW: if the tea- party was so illegitimate, explain the 2010 election where the Tea-Party changed the balance of power in the House

Citizens United.
What do I win?

You forgot all the people that showed up for Obama and the Democrats that didn't show up in 2010.

Seriously progressives, what did you think would happen if you didn't vote, that the more liberal candidate would just magically keep his seat when there was a huge wave of conservative activism to contend with?


It was the blue dogs who lost big time. Good farking riddance.
 
2011-11-08 04:43:20 PM

change1211: Link (new window)

Link (new window)

Link (new window)

Are we sure that everything that the protesters do wrong are just people trying to make the movement look bad?

Oh, and here's a list of the OV 'demands'

Link (new window)


using ODs as an excuse to stifle free speech is bullshiat.
Of course, ODing at a rally is kinda bad for the cause but still - they shouldn't be shut down because of that... though it is Canadia
 
2011-11-08 04:43:42 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: I'm sure he's no True Scotsman either.


I'm just asking you to pick a standard. What is the standard?
 
2011-11-08 04:43:53 PM

halfof33: nyseattitude: I haven't seen Occupiers with signs condemning or attacking an opposing political group, threatening physical violence against them

You appear to be unaware of the Occupy DC Assault on the Convention Center.

Google the name Dolores Broderson, victim of the OWS attacks on the Tea Party gathering.


I thought you and I had already reviewed this? I told you I thought your eyes are very bias.
 
2011-11-08 04:45:06 PM

change1211: Are we sure that everything that the protesters do wrong are just people trying to make the movement look bad?


"Officer bitten"

How much you want to bet the cop was "bitten" on his fist?
 
2011-11-08 04:45:56 PM

skullkrusher: Hot Rod Zoidberg: You think it's funny to be delighted about someone's rape as a means to discredit a movement?

You are a human piece of shiat.

of course that's not what happened at all - this was mocking the "internal" dealings with the rapes of course but you, please, go on. You mad and it funny.


There were no 'internal dealings'. The protesters sought the police's help and the alleged offender was arrested. The rest is the right-wing being downright giddy that someone was raped so they can use it to discredit OWS. The right wing has no leg to stand on when it comes to judging anyone about rapes when they fight against women being able to report rape, whether it's due to bullshiat settlement clauses in contracts with defense contractors, or a women's right to have an abortion after surviving a rape, or their most recent block of legislation that would make it easier for women to report rapes. So fark you.
 
2011-11-08 04:49:17 PM

royone: Vlad_the_Inaner: I'm sure he's no True Scotsman either.

I'm just asking you to pick a standard. What is the standard?


Ducks::quacking is a good place to start. Apart from the call to vandalism and suggestions that one should start cleaning their guns, has he said anything that goes against the standard Tea Party line?

/not that the latter is not in the standard Tea Party line
//'this time'
 
2011-11-08 04:49:22 PM

royone: Baloo Uriza: You seriously don't see the hypocrisy in what you just said at all?

Nope. Would you care to illumine me?


The lawbreaking wingnuts in both groups are the exception.
 
2011-11-08 04:49:24 PM

poot_rootbeer: LesserEvil: Both groups are whackjobs, but at least the Tea Partiers aren't vandalizing and stopping legitimate businesses

The Tea Partiers don't have the stamina to attend a protest event lasting longer than about six hours.


its because they have to go back to work
 
2011-11-08 04:49:27 PM

nyseattitude: I haven't seen Occupiers with signs condemning or attacking an opposing political group, threatening physical violence against them or pitching up Voter registration tents.


t1.gstatic.com
t1.gstatic.com
vocalminority.typepad.com
 
2011-11-08 04:51:44 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: umad: Now the rapists are "agents provocateurs" too?

You, of course, can quote the exact words I am supposed to have declared that with.

/of course you can't because I didn't.


Vlad_the_Inaner: Yeah, it's bad that women can get Herman Cain'd at OWS. Especially when some people think its amusing to tell people with problems to 'take it to zuccotti' instead of getting them to real help. But in light of apathy from the people who are supposed to deal with that sort of thing, at least OWS addresses the problem actively. I suppose you'd say they should just go 'gee. there's bad stuff around here, we'd better quit'. The fact that shait happens at Zucotti indicates for sure that it is the protesters who are the victims, you have yet to prove the perps are the protesters too. Prey attracts Predators.


You were saying?
 
2011-11-08 04:51:49 PM

BravadoGT: Tricky Chicken: BravadoGT: vudukungfu: Andulamb: Within every group there are both assholes and saints.

name a republican saint.

Name a Democrat saint.

I'd say Mother Teresa was at least a liberal. Wasn't she cannonized?

",,,I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child - a direct killing of the innocent child - murder by the mother herself."

Yeah, that sounds like a good liberal.


Yah, M.T. is a real biatch.
 
2011-11-08 04:54:35 PM

Hot Rod Zoidberg: There were no 'internal dealings'. The protesters sought the police's help and the alleged offender was arrested


you know what - there are only uncorroborated reports of perpetrators of sexual assault and other crimes being ejected from the camps rather than being handed to the police so I can't say that they are definitively true.

Hot Rod Zoidberg: The rest is the right-wing being downright giddy that someone was raped so they can use it to discredit OWS. The right wing has no leg to stand on when it comes to judging anyone about rapes when they fight against women being able to report rape, whether it's due to bullshiat settlement clauses in contracts with defense contractors, or a women's right to have an abortion after surviving a rape, or their most recent block of legislation that would make it easier for women to report rapes. So fark you.


I am certainly not giddy that someone is raped. You should grow up a little bit maybe.
 
2011-11-08 04:54:38 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: Ducks::quacking is a good place to start. Apart from the call to vandalism and suggestions that one should start cleaning their guns, has he said anything that goes against the standard Tea Party line?


Apart from calls to violence, has this guy, whom you're holding up as a representative of the violence in the Tea Party, said anything that the Tea Party disagrees with?

Is that your question, or have I missed something?
 
2011-11-08 04:55:12 PM

mark12A: At least the Tea Party didn't have to set up "Women's Shelters" (like in Zucotti Park) to protect women from the raping and pillaging going on at these "gatherings".


< Citation Needed >
 
2011-11-08 04:55:44 PM

nyseattitude: I told you I thought your eyes are very bias.


That woman was not Dolores Broderson.

I am waiting for an explanation of how the OWS forcibly corraling those people was not a violent act. It certainly was a criminal act.
 
2011-11-08 04:57:29 PM

Baloo Uriza: The lawbreaking wingnuts in both groups are the exception.


That was not my position.

My position was that violence that happens at OWS events is closely tied to OWS.
Violence that happens in response to a guy who mentions Tea Partiers in his call to violence, which is not part of a Tea Party event or web site, is less closely tied to the Tea Party.

Do you disagree with that?
 
2011-11-08 05:01:31 PM

Altourus: mark12A: At least the Tea Party didn't have to set up "Women's Shelters" (like in Zucotti Park) to protect women from the raping and pillaging going on at these "gatherings".

< Citation Needed >


There was a new large green tent just erected for women to make them safe as there had been a sexual assault during the week. (new window)
 
2011-11-08 05:02:26 PM

EnviroDude: poot_rootbeer: LesserEvil: Both groups are whackjobs, but at least the Tea Partiers aren't vandalizing and stopping legitimate businesses

The Tea Partiers don't have the stamina to attend a protest event lasting longer than about six hours.

its because they have to go back to work


Please they are just trying to get a McRib before the special is over.
 
2011-11-08 05:06:27 PM

skullkrusher: change1211: Link (new window)

Link (new window)

Link (new window)

Are we sure that everything that the protesters do wrong are just people trying to make the movement look bad?

Oh, and here's a list of the OV 'demands'

Link (new window)

using ODs as an excuse to stifle free speech is bullshiat.
Of course, ODing at a rally is kinda bad for the cause but still - they shouldn't be shut down because of that... though it is Canadia


Your point (in bold) being?

I was just trying to express my skepticism that all the negative incidents we see at OWS or it's branch protests aren't people trying to make the entire protest look bad. I can somewhat agree with their basic message but I do think the way they're going about getting their message across, especially in a few cities (Oakland and now Vancouver it seems) is hurting their cause more than it's helping.
 
2011-11-08 05:08:40 PM

change1211: Your point (in bold) being?


it's not the US so the US Constitution doesn't apply?

change1211: I was just trying to express my skepticism that all the negative incidents we see at OWS or it's branch protests aren't people trying to make the entire protest look bad.


so you think they ARE all false flags?
 
2011-11-08 05:14:14 PM

umad: Vlad_the_Inaner: umad: Now the rapists are "agents provocateurs" too?

You, of course, can quote the exact words I am supposed to have declared that with.

/of course you can't because I didn't.

Vlad_the_Inaner: Yeah, it's bad that women can get Herman Cain'd at OWS. Especially when some people think its amusing to tell people with problems to 'take it to zuccotti' instead of getting them to real help. But in light of apathy from the people who are supposed to deal with that sort of thing, at least OWS addresses the problem actively. I suppose you'd say they should just go 'gee. there's bad stuff around here, we'd better quit'. The fact that shait happens at Zucotti indicates for sure that it is the protesters who are the victims, you have yet to prove the perps are the protesters too. Prey attracts Predators.

You were saying?


Basically I said you can't read. And you've proved it. Neither of the things you've highlighted mentions or implies agents provocateurs. If a sex predator goes to a park to harass women, he is there to predate, not be an agent provocateur. Its not that hard a concept.

Are you sure you even know what the phrase "agent provocateurs" means? You're acting like you don't.
 
2011-11-08 05:14:51 PM

change1211:
Oh, and here's a list of the OV 'demands'

Link (new window)



"We have just one demand... In 56 parts..."

that was insane.
 
2011-11-08 05:17:51 PM

skullkrusher: change1211: Your point (in bold) being?

it's not the US so the US Constitution doesn't apply?

change1211: I was just trying to express my skepticism that all the negative incidents we see at OWS or it's branch protests aren't people trying to make the entire protest look bad.

so you think they ARE all false flags?


Serves me right for not reading what I wrote, I don't think they are. :P

gunther_bumpass: change1211:
Oh, and here's a list of the OV 'demands'

Link (new window)


"We have just one demand... In 56 parts..."

that was insane.


I liked the part about wanting harsher sentences for white-collar criminals and the release of all non-violent criminals. Wouldn't that mean that they'd be releasing the people who they wanted in jail?

Oh, and 9/11 truthers, good times.
 
2011-11-08 05:21:31 PM

Somacandra: Since reactionary activists have been proudly talking about their infiltration of Occupy movements and initiating violence (new window), how do we know any of these people were legitimate protestors instead of agent provocateurs?


Thank you.

Also, FTFA: After a relatively peaceful start, the "Occupy" movement has sparked violent clashes with police in Oakland and recently saw protesters push an elderly woman down a flight of stairs in D.C.

Wait. If you have something OWS did, like pushing an elderly woman down a flight of stairs, why are you blaming them for the Oakland PD, which was NOT their fault? Bad journalism is bad.

/Where the fark are the editors on this piece?
 
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